Auditory Processing Disorder

May 20, 2002

www.ncapd.org (Check the link to the Florida technical assistance

document for a very complete discussion)

capdfromtheheart@... (more resources and some brief discussions)

Re: Auditory Processing Disorder

Hi ,

I did a quick search on aol and came up with these web sites. You will

usually see it referred to as CAPD ( central auditory processing

disorder).

I hope that these help.

lori , mom to alec ( 9DS) and danielle (13 teenager)

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54%2e%94%49%46%2f%1c%66%e9%ee%be%aa " >Living and Working with Central

Auditory Processing Disorder</A> - Basic

information for adults with CAPDs. Contains brief descriptions of its

causes

and methods of diagnosis, a behavior checklist, and tips on how to

accommodate your own CAPD on the job.

http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/process_de

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55%08%ef%9e%82%39%1e%65%93%50%7f%7e " >Central Auditory Processing

Disorders in Children</A> - Short but informative

fact sheet about CAPD and its associated behaviors.

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/HEARNET/disorde

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Services, P.A. 3627 University Blvd. South -

Suite 210 - ville, Florida 32216 - (904) 399-5311 -

http://www.aos-jax.com Central Auditory Processing Disorders What is

Central

Auditory Processing? Central Auditory

http://www.aos-jax.com/capd.htm

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auditory processing

problems, one of the forms of sensory integration dysfunction.

http://www.ldanatl.org/factsheets/Auditory.ht

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Auditory Processing Disorders</A> - Central Auditory Processing

Disorders

http://www.hearingbalance.com/hbscapd.htm

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Auditory Processing Disorder</A> - Central auditory processing disorder

is often misunderstood because it can be confused with certain learning

disabilities and AD/HD. Read this article to learn more about this

disorder.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/cen

May 20, 2002

Hi ,

I did a quick search on aol and came up with these web sites. You will

usually see it referred to as CAPD ( central auditory processing disorder).

I hope that these help.

lori , mom to alec ( 9DS) and danielle (13 teenager)

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information for adults with CAPDs. Contains brief descriptions of its causes

and methods of diagnosis, a behavior checklist, and tips on how to

accommodate your own CAPD on the job.

http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/process_de

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fact sheet about CAPD and its associated behaviors.

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/HEARNET/disorde

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D</A> - Advanced Otolaryngology Services, P.A. 3627 University Blvd. South -

Suite 210 - ville, Florida 32216 - (904) 399-5311 -

http://www.aos-jax.com Central Auditory Processing Disorders What is Central

Auditory Processing? Central Auditory

http://www.aos-jax.com/capd.htm

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http://www.ldanatl.org/factsheets/Auditory.ht

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processing disorder

is often misunderstood because it can be confused with certain learning

disabilities and AD/HD. Read this article to learn more about this disorder.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/cen

May 20, 2002

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September 11, 2009

Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing Disorder?

http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He

is old enough for the testing.

Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our issue

according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

Thanks

Pam

September 11, 2009

Yup, we have both. Did Tomatis for the full stint, and it made a remarkable

difference in his language, hearing tolerance, and sociability. We now are

going to do Samonas. That's like a brush up of the Tomatis. He still has some

hearing sensitivity and we are hoping this will fix it.

________________________________

From: noaholiviaian <phaselow@...>

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:39:22 PM

Subject: [ ] Auditory Processing Disorder

Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing Disorder?

http://kidshealth. org/parent/ medical/ears/ central_auditory .html#

My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He

is old enough for the testing.

Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our issue

according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

Thanks

Pam

September 11, 2009

MB-12 injections and chelation helped my son with these things. He fit

perfectly into this too, in fact I " diagnosed " him myself after researching. It

has helped a lot knowing what it is and telling the school how to deal with it.

My son does great with written lists and instructions.

>

> Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing Disorder?

>

> http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

>

> My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He

is old enough for the testing.

>

> Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our

issue according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

>

> Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pam

>

September 11, 2009

>

> Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing Disorder?

>

--->my older daughter, imho..no official diag. I did do alot of info slams on

her behalf, on auditory processing disorders, when she was grade & middle school

age...chuckling, info slams are soooo not a new thing for me - before internet,

there was the library

> http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

>

> My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He

is old enough for the testing.

>

> Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our

issue according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

>

> Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pam

>

--->specific to her...auditory issues right along, including (not limited to)

always talking with an accent - very cute as toddler, but...autistic

issues/behaviors as older child - school said " would be, but is too old. "

I scraped lead paint from kitchen windows while pregnant with her...clueless

until she was a year or two old....etcetcetc.

Supplements & chelating & diet & such have provided huge, huge gains for

her...pretty much using same info as with 5yo, but she has different details,

different answers that work...ummmm, used to worry about her alot, how she would

fare/thrive as an adult. Not so much anymore. That rocks.

She is a tad " immature " for her age, (she seriously " lost time " during worst tox

moments, imo), but if you lop off a couple years from her actual age, she is

doing just fine, moving forward and such.

Because my other kids were not so very affected (autistically speaking) by their

own merc tox exposures, I have found that I do consider lead a much larger

contributing factor than it seems most people do, when it comes to autism

itself.

Connected to that idea - her auditory issues did not progress to

vestibular/sensory/autistic issues until AFTER hg exposures, most apparent in

later grade school years - accumulative effect is my theory. (btw, my older kids

received the " catch up " versions of vaccinations)...In hindsite, it has been

possible to link her rather extreme " regressions " with her/our known hg

exposures.

However, I do consider lead to be the primary underlying cause of her particular

range of auditory issues.

elizabeth

September 12, 2009

----- Original Message -----

From: noaholiviaian

Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing

Disorder?

===>APD is something a speech therapist would talk about. It's not a medical

dx as speech therapists are not allowed to give medical dx's. They are allowed

to dx someone with APD so it's a term that SLP's came up with to describe ADD.

I looked at their criteria for ADD in the article below and they are

distinguishing between APD and ADHD on the basis of impulsiveness and the

behavior component of ADHD, which is no longer true.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He is

old enough for the testing.

Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our issue

according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

Thanks

Pam

September 12, 2009

Yes, it is - the inability to process verbal language correctly. One example my

husband and I joke about is when he told one time to " ask your mom " and

said, " askermom? What's askermom? "

What is really weird is that is a high functioning (pretty much typical)

previously diagnosed PDD kid and his much more severe brother, , has

pretty much no indication of APD at all. I suspect the difference was that

had the full dose of mercury in his vaccines and didn't...however

sucked up all the lead around the house and has major issues in that

regard.

is quick as a whip to do something you ask, but if you asked it

would be processed way slower and he might even add his own twist

I am not sure if I agree with the other poster about APD being related to lead

poisoning, but I don't know. I feel certain that lead is mostly or totally

responsible for 's speech deficits.

> >

> > Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing

Disorder?

> >

>

> --->my older daughter, imho..no official diag. I did do alot of info slams on

her behalf, on auditory processing disorders, when she was grade & middle school

age...chuckling, info slams are soooo not a new thing for me - before internet,

there was the library

>

> > http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

> >

> > My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He is

old enough for the testing.

> >

> > Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our

issue according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

> >

> > Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

> --->specific to her...auditory issues right along, including (not limited to)

always talking with an accent - very cute as toddler, but...autistic

issues/behaviors as older child - school said " would be, but is too old. "

> I scraped lead paint from kitchen windows while pregnant with her...clueless

until she was a year or two old....etcetcetc.

> Supplements & chelating & diet & such have provided huge, huge gains for

her...pretty much using same info as with 5yo, but she has different details,

different answers that work...ummmm, used to worry about her alot, how she would

fare/thrive as an adult. Not so much anymore. That rocks.

> She is a tad " immature " for her age, (she seriously " lost time " during worst

tox moments, imo), but if you lop off a couple years from her actual age, she is

doing just fine, moving forward and such.

> Because my other kids were not so very affected (autistically speaking) by

their own merc tox exposures, I have found that I do consider lead a much larger

contributing factor than it seems most people do, when it comes to autism

itself.

> Connected to that idea - her auditory issues did not progress to

vestibular/sensory/autistic issues until AFTER hg exposures, most apparent in

later grade school years - accumulative effect is my theory. (btw, my older kids

received the " catch up " versions of vaccinations)...In hindsite, it has been

possible to link her rather extreme " regressions " with her/our known hg

exposures.

> However, I do consider lead to be the primary underlying cause of her

particular range of auditory issues.

>

> elizabeth

>

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September 12, 2009

Well, i'm not sure if getting an APD eval will really do anything helpful except

for maybe get the school to be more serious about coping/adaptive skills for my

son. I feel like they see the Dx Autism and assume 2 things: Mental retardation

and behavior problems. They approach all ASD kids the same way and it isn't

what my son needs.

After doing some more digging, reading your posts (thank you) and a bit of soul

searching I will print out info on APD and bring it to my school team to see if

we can use some of the APD management tactics for him.

I will contact an audiologist. We don't have an SLP on board aside from the one

in school that sees him 20 minutes, 3x/week for group sessions. I don't think

she spends much time really looking at his deficits.

I feel like we are going through a spurt of worsening of language processing

instead of getting better. let's hope it indicates a giant leap of progress is

about to come! one can only hope.

pam

> > >

> > > Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing

Disorder?

> > >

> >

> > --->my older daughter, imho..no official diag. I did do alot of info slams

on her behalf, on auditory processing disorders, when she was grade & middle

school age...chuckling, info slams are soooo not a new thing for me - before

internet, there was the library

> >

> > > http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

> > >

> > > My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are

also spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now.

He is old enough for the testing.

> > >

> > > Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our

issue according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

> > >

> > > Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> >

> > --->specific to her...auditory issues right along, including (not limited

to) always talking with an accent - very cute as toddler, but...autistic

issues/behaviors as older child - school said " would be, but is too old. "

> > I scraped lead paint from kitchen windows while pregnant with her...clueless

until she was a year or two old....etcetcetc.

> > Supplements & chelating & diet & such have provided huge, huge gains for

her...pretty much using same info as with 5yo, but she has different details,

different answers that work...ummmm, used to worry about her alot, how she would

fare/thrive as an adult. Not so much anymore. That rocks.

> > She is a tad " immature " for her age, (she seriously " lost time " during worst

tox moments, imo), but if you lop off a couple years from her actual age, she is

doing just fine, moving forward and such.

> > Because my other kids were not so very affected (autistically speaking) by

their own merc tox exposures, I have found that I do consider lead a much larger

contributing factor than it seems most people do, when it comes to autism

itself.

> > Connected to that idea - her auditory issues did not progress to

vestibular/sensory/autistic issues until AFTER hg exposures, most apparent in

later grade school years - accumulative effect is my theory. (btw, my older kids

received the " catch up " versions of vaccinations)...In hindsite, it has been

possible to link her rather extreme " regressions " with her/our known hg

exposures.

> > However, I do consider lead to be the primary underlying cause of her

particular range of auditory issues.

> >

> > elizabeth

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now!

> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407

> >

September 13, 2009

Ummm, might be my own issues showing, but to me his reaction makes total

sense when you look at this question and interpret it absolutely

literally, in perhaps an Aspergerish way, putting aside any sort of

context that would give it any other layers of meaning.

If 25 people share 5 tents equally, then yes, literally, each person has

a share in each tent. He probably is quite confused about why you are

telling him the answer first, then asking the question, then not

accepting when he just tells you what you told him first.

What happens if you change it t0 'We have only 5 tents, and there are 25

people. We want the same number of people to sleep in each tent, so how

many beds will need to be in each tent? "

Gail

>

> What is " Auditory Processing Disorder " ? I wonder if most of autism

kids have this problem. My son, ten years old, hard to process oral

information such as " 25 people share 5 tents equally. How many people in

each tent? " (I repeat this several times). He repeated as " Each people

share 5 tents... " . I wonder if this is the auditory processing disorder?

>

> Thanks,

>

September 13, 2009

Hi ,

Auditory processing disorder and auditory hypersensitivity are quite common

among those on the spectrum. What you report sounds like it could very well be

auditory processing disorder. Provide long pauses between repetitions,

otherwise you're talking over his attempts at processing which makes it more

difficult.

S S

Re: Auditory Processing Disorder

Posted by: " Zhu " suyingzhu@...

Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:19 pm (PDT)

What is " Auditory Processing Disorder " ? I wonder if most of autism kids have

this problem. My son, ten years old, hard to process oral information such as

" 25 people share 5 tents equally. How many people in each tent? " (I repeat this

several times). He repeated as " Each people share 5 tents... " . I wonder if this

is the auditory processing disorder?

Thanks,

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----- Original Message -----

From: noaholiviaian

Well, i'm not sure if getting an APD eval will really do anything helpful

except for maybe get the school to be more serious about coping/adaptive skills

for my son. I feel like they see the Dx Autism and assume 2 things: Mental

retardation and behavior problems. They approach all ASD kids the same way and

it isn't what my son needs.

===>This may be worth a try, Pam. We used a paper on dyspraxia when ours was

in K and first to help explain why it took her a little longer to write,

although we did not have an IEP or a dx. The school was very amenable and gave

her a little extra time to finish as they did a lot of writing.

In the world of diagnostics, a lesser diagnosis is not used when a greater

diagnosis explains the issue. So in this case, ADD or what they are calling

APD, is not given as this is explained by the Autism or pdd-nos dx. Just giving

you a heads up as you may run into this when you present the APD.

Otherwise you'd have kids will a thousand initials.

After doing some more digging, reading your posts (thank you) and a bit of

soul searching I will print out info on APD and bring it to my school team to

see if we can use some of the APD management tactics for him.

I will contact an audiologist. We don't have an SLP on board aside from the

one in school that sees him 20 minutes, 3x/week for group sessions. I don't

think she spends much time really looking at his deficits.

I feel like we are going through a spurt of worsening of language processing

instead of getting better. let's hope it indicates a giant leap of progress is

about to come! one can only hope.

pam

> > >

> > > Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing

Disorder?

> > >

> >

> > --->my older daughter, imho..no official diag. I did do alot of info slams

on her behalf, on auditory processing disorders, when she was grade & middle

school age...chuckling, info slams are soooo not a new thing for me - before

internet, there was the library

> >

> > > http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

> > >

> > > My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are

also spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now.

He is old enough for the testing.

> > >

> > > Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our

issue according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

> > >

> > > Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> >

> > --->specific to her...auditory issues right along, including (not limited

to) always talking with an accent - very cute as toddler, but...autistic

issues/behaviors as older child - school said " would be, but is too old. "

> > I scraped lead paint from kitchen windows while pregnant with

her...clueless until she was a year or two old....etcetcetc.

> > Supplements & chelating & diet & such have provided huge, huge gains for

her...pretty much using same info as with 5yo, but she has different details,

different answers that work...ummmm, used to worry about her alot, how she would

fare/thrive as an adult. Not so much anymore. That rocks.

> > She is a tad " immature " for her age, (she seriously " lost time " during

worst tox moments, imo), but if you lop off a couple years from her actual age,

she is doing just fine, moving forward and such.

> > Because my other kids were not so very affected (autistically speaking) by

their own merc tox exposures, I have found that I do consider lead a much larger

contributing factor than it seems most people do, when it comes to autism

itself.

> > Connected to that idea - her auditory issues did not progress to

vestibular/sensory/autistic issues until AFTER hg exposures, most apparent in

later grade school years - accumulative effect is my theory. (btw, my older kids

received the " catch up " versions of vaccinations)...In hindsite, it has been

possible to link her rather extreme " regressions " with her/our known hg

exposures.

> > However, I do consider lead to be the primary underlying cause of her

particular range of auditory issues.

> >

> > elizabeth

> >

> > __________________________________________________________

> > New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now!

> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407

> >

September 13, 2009

Auditory processing disorder is when the brain misinterprets what the ear hears.

The connection is jumbled. Kids who have this often need things repeated over

and over. Or you will say " put your socks on the bed " and they will look at you

funny and say " what? Why do you want me to put my socks on my head?? " .

They often confused certain word sounds. So oral information is not easy for

them to decipher. this is worse in a noise room or if they cannot see the

persons face when they are speaking.

I am sure many ASD kids have this.

Do you find yourself repeating things to him all the time, and constantly

rephrasing it. Speaking slower, etc.? If so it might be worthy to have him

tested for it.

> >

> > Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing

Disorder?

> >

>

> --->my older daughter, imho..no official diag. I did do alot of info slams on

her behalf, on auditory processing disorders, when she was grade & middle school

age...chuckling, info slams are soooo not a new thing for me - before internet,

there was the library

>

> > http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

> >

> > My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He is

old enough for the testing.

> >

> > Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our

issue according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

> >

> > Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

> --->specific to her...auditory issues right along, including (not limited to)

always talking with an accent - very cute as toddler, but...autistic

issues/behaviors as older child - school said " would be, but is too old. "

> I scraped lead paint from kitchen windows while pregnant with her...clueless

until she was a year or two old....etcetcetc.

> Supplements & chelating & diet & such have provided huge, huge gains for

her...pretty much using same info as with 5yo, but she has different details,

different answers that work...ummmm, used to worry about her alot, how she would

fare/thrive as an adult. Not so much anymore. That rocks.

> She is a tad " immature " for her age, (she seriously " lost time " during worst

tox moments, imo), but if you lop off a couple years from her actual age, she is

doing just fine, moving forward and such.

> Because my other kids were not so very affected (autistically speaking) by

their own merc tox exposures, I have found that I do consider lead a much larger

contributing factor than it seems most people do, when it comes to autism

itself.

> Connected to that idea - her auditory issues did not progress to

vestibular/sensory/autistic issues until AFTER hg exposures, most apparent in

later grade school years - accumulative effect is my theory. (btw, my older kids

received the " catch up " versions of vaccinations)...In hindsite, it has been

possible to link her rather extreme " regressions " with her/our known hg

exposures.

> However, I do consider lead to be the primary underlying cause of her

particular range of auditory issues.

>

> elizabeth

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now!

> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407

>

September 13, 2009

Thank you very much for all responses. Mostly my son can understand oral

instructions if not too complex and I don't need repeat over and over. But I do

find if it is related to math, or related to comprehension issue, he will get

lost. I had took him to see a speech therapist. She found my son had hard time

to repeat longer sentences. When she told a longer story, my son totally lost.

Maybe I need to take him to see an audiologist? What different help an

audiologist can provide comparing with a speech therapist?

Thanks,

From: mercurybabies2@...

Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:51:48 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Auditory Processing Disorder

Auditory processing disorder is when the brain misinterprets what the ear hears.

The connection is jumbled. Kids who have this often need things repeated over

and over. Or you will say " put your socks on the bed " and they will look at you

funny and say " what? Why do you want me to put my socks on my head?? " .

They often confused certain word sounds. So oral information is not easy for

them to decipher. this is worse in a noise room or if they cannot see the

persons face when they are speaking.

I am sure many ASD kids have this.

Do you find yourself repeating things to him all the time, and constantly

rephrasing it. Speaking slower, etc.? If so it might be worthy to have him

tested for it.

> >

> > Does anyone have a child with both Autism and an Auditory Processing

Disorder?

> >

>

> --->my older daughter, imho..no official diag. I did do alot of info slams on

her behalf, on auditory processing disorders, when she was grade & middle school

age...chuckling, info slams are soooo not a new thing for me - before internet,

there was the library

>

> > http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ears/central_auditory.html#

> >

> > My son fits this almost to a 'tee'. I realize many of the criteria are also

spectrum criteria, but I've been wondering about this for a few years now. He is

old enough for the testing.

> >

> > Interestingly, it says lead poisoning is one possible cause. Lead is our

issue according to the French Urinary Porphyrins testing. We are chelating.

> >

> > Just thought someone might have some insight or advice.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

> --->specific to her...auditory issues right along, including (not limited to)

always talking with an accent - very cute as toddler, but...autistic

issues/behaviors as older child - school said " would be, but is too old. "

> I scraped lead paint from kitchen windows while pregnant with her...clueless

until she was a year or two old....etcetcetc.

> Supplements & chelating & diet & such have provided huge, huge gains for

her...pretty much using same info as with 5yo, but she has different details,

different answers that work...ummmm, used to worry about her alot, how she would

fare/thrive as an adult. Not so much anymore. That rocks.

> She is a tad " immature " for her age, (she seriously " lost time " during worst

tox moments, imo), but if you lop off a couple years from her actual age, she is

doing just fine, moving forward and such.

> Because my other kids were not so very affected (autistically speaking) by

their own merc tox exposures, I have found that I do consider lead a much larger

contributing factor than it seems most people do, when it comes to autism

itself.

> Connected to that idea - her auditory issues did not progress to

vestibular/sensory/autistic issues until AFTER hg exposures, most apparent in

later grade school years - accumulative effect is my theory. (btw, my older kids

received the " catch up " versions of vaccinations)...In hindsite, it has been

possible to link her rather extreme " regressions " with her/our known hg

exposures.

> However, I do consider lead to be the primary underlying cause of her

particular range of auditory issues.

>

> elizabeth

>

> __________________________________________________________

> New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now!

> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407

>

September 13, 2009

The problem comes when they have to write down information given to them orally,

or when they have to answer a question in class without written information. I

think as they get older, they learn coping skills - such as trying to picture

the question in their head in words or pictures. It is important for them to

know their learning style and how to adapt things to it. I spent quite a bit of

time on this with my son. I bought a book specifically geared toward following

oral directions for him in 2nd or 3rd grade. It was really helpful.

One problem I have had is that sometimes when you give a teacher written

information on your child's learning problem they won't read it. I think it is

better to read it yourself and then do an observation to see what modifications

could reasonably be made and then request that they be made. For example,

having child sit in front of class, having written list on desk or in notebook

of steps to take/schedule or whatever.

You also have to make sure your child can explain their difficulty to others.

started middle school this year and his ability to communicate his

difficulties is more important now than ever. I don't have the same access to

the teachers as I did in elementary.

> >

> > What is " Auditory Processing Disorder " ? I wonder if most of autism

> kids have this problem. My son, ten years old, hard to process oral

> information such as " 25 people share 5 tents equally. How many people in

> each tent? " (I repeat this several times). He repeated as " Each people

> share 5 tents... " . I wonder if this is the auditory processing disorder?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

September 13, 2009

Hi,

Our therapist explained it to us this way: The autistic brain doesn't convert

words or ideas to pictures in their brains (that's how nt people and kids do it)

Instead they don't make thoughts until they see a picture and/or words on paper.

After seeing it, then the picture takes shape in their brains. That's why

reading books, looking at pictures of everything, and writing things out works

so well. That's also why social stories work so well with our kids, they need

to see the pictures and words so that they become pictures in their brains.

Then they can recall them and " remember " how to do things. Makes perfect sense

when you know how it works, huh!

________________________________

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Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:09:54 AM