Lead

[Guest guest]

Rod know quite a lot about this subject from the amount of times he

had to go to the special school clinic with a pencil stuck in his

ear.

To this day they only issue him with wax crayons.

> Sue,

> Contact me off list as I may be able to help

>

> Cheers

>

> Rod

>

> ___________________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have had a blonde moment and have lost the email of the person I was

chatting to about lead protocols.

Please help.

Sorry for my lack on cleverness at the moment.

Cheers

Sue

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/07/2005 10:40:07 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@... writes:

Just reading through Andy Cutler Hair Test book (got round to it at last). He mentions that mercury toxic individuals should not be using EDTA in his opinion. This is different to what alot of other people are doing. He doesn't seem to elaborate on why - anyone got any comments?

>>>Andys focus is Mercury, EDTA is not the best chelator of Mercury. It seems to me unlike those with Amlagam Illness (Andys speciality) many of our kids have issues with Lead and other metals also. EDTA seems to work very well for Lead but not for other stuff. DMSA pulls a wide range of metals, DMPS too although less in range than DMSA or so I have read.

I am reading many EDTA reports, most recently IV pushes, kids are dumping well and making great strides. Even so, Andy would probably say use DMSA because you are goign to poull all sorts with that.

I use oral EDTA alongisde TD DMPS, I beleive it pulls essential minerals much more than the other chelators and we got some yeast, which to me is a sign we are moving metals.

Lead is stored in bones, it takes forever to get out, just get it out anyway you can, safely, and don;t expect to get it done in less than a couple of years.

My buddy Alsion shoudl be ack fro US soon - hopefully she will report on how the IV EDTA push went with her lad

JMHO and unqualified opinion

Mandi in Dorset

[Guest guest]

My MIL lives in an older house (built in the 50's I think)- anyway- I am

paranoid about lead and wonder if I should let my daughter even go over there.

My daughter is one and has never spend the night away from us and has only

been there a handful of times, with us, for a few hours. She recently painted

so

if there is lead paint there most of it is painted over, but not all of it.

AM I being over protective or is it something that I should really be

worried about. I know it can be in the paint and in the pipes (therefore the

water). Please let me know your thoughts...my husband thinks I am overreacting

but she is my daughter and that is my job, to keep her safe....

THANK YOU )

Amy

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In a message dated 9/28/2005 6:15:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,

sarana921@... writes:

Bottled water for drinking.You could get a free test kit from the health

dept.,and check out her house.We are buying a 50's house,and I will check the

rooms and get a water filter.

As always-do what you feel is best!

OK thanks... we only drink bottled water, and she does as well- but I worry

about bath time and do not want her bathed there b/c she sometimes drinks the

water.

I will call the health depart. for a kit, thanks so much

AMy

[Guest guest]

Bottled water for drinking.You could get a free test kit from the health

dept.,and check out her house.We are buying a 50's house,and I will check the

rooms and get a water filter.

As always-do what you feel is best!

Algaveda@... wrote:

My MIL lives in an older house (built in the 50's I think)- anyway- I am

paranoid about lead and wonder if I should let my daughter even go over there.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Townes,

First let me say that you are an outstanding mother and even more outstanding

detective considering Landon was otherwise healthy and still you had him tested

for precautionary reasons due to the nature of your home. Nice work. You found

and helped him eliminate so many toxins with no side-effects. Just imagine the

problems all this junk could have caused him in the near future

(developementally and/or otherwise).

Alpha Lipoic Acid is a very powerful anti-oxidant. Supporting the immune system

during detox/elimination is definately a great idea though I don't know if that

is the primary reason your doctor has for prescribing it. If there is another, I

would very much like to know what it is.

Anita N.Y.

townestownestownes <teimer@...> wrote:

HI everyone

I am a new member. We have a 17 month old boy, Landon, who has had

three vac. of DTP and we stopped nothing else. He is very healthy

and active. We live in a historic house and did some remodeling and

I decided to have Landon's lead level tested, just due to that the

house was built in 1909, and we remodeled. His result came back at

10, and that was 3 months ago. We went to an enviromental doctor

(our insurance wouldn't pay for any treatment and his ped. said

there was no treatment) anyway I found a great environmental doc.

and we did very low chelation of using DSMA, and his level came down

to 5 in just 3 months and he is showing no effects. The doc. now

wants us to use alpha lipoic acid twice a day to get the rest of the

lead out of his system. I was wondering if anybody knows about

alpha lipoic acid??

By the way we did urine and fecal screen on him while he was taking

DSMA and you wouldn't believe all the heay metals he was excriting

including mercury, nickel, antimony.

Any thoughts

Thanks

Sincerely

Townes Eimer

[Guest guest]

Any home built before 1978 has lead paint, more than likely under layers

of other paint. Lead paint is not dangerous if it is not flaking or

peeling. Lead is a very heavy metal and lead dust falls straight to the

floor it does not float around in the air. I am sure your child is safe

at your MIL, just be sure she doesn't chew on the walls.

As for the water, I would not give her baths there and give her bottled

water. If they do not have new plumbing, just stay away from the water.

We had all new copper plumbing put in our home.

What I think happened with us was the remodel when they cut into walls

they cut through areas that had lead paint that was covered and created

dust that fell to the floor and someone walked through and transferred

to child's toy and toy went in his mouth. We were very careful, but not

enough. I feel very guilty and next remodel we will move out. I am

just relieved that he has no symptoms and the lead is coming out of his

body.

Hope this helps.

Townes

Re: lead

My MIL lives in an older house (built in the 50's I think)- anyway- I am

paranoid about lead and wonder if I should let my daughter even go over

there.

My daughter is one and has never spend the night away from us and has

only

been there a handful of times, with us, for a few hours. She recently

painted so

if there is lead paint there most of it is painted over, but not all of

it.

AM I being over protective or is it something that I should really be

worried about. I know it can be in the paint and in the pipes

(therefore the

water). Please let me know your thoughts...my husband thinks I am

overreacting

but she is my daughter and that is my job, to keep her safe....

THANK YOU )

Amy

[Guest guest]

HI Anita

Thanks for the e-mail. I have to say it felt good to read, because I

have been beating myself up on this lead thing and feeling like a

horrible mother who did not protect her child. It is always good to get

a reality check.

Again, Thanks you made my day.

Townes

Re: lead

Hi Townes,

First let me say that you are an outstanding mother and even more

outstanding detective considering Landon was otherwise healthy and still

you had him tested for precautionary reasons due to the nature of your

home. Nice work. You found and helped him eliminate so many toxins with

no side-effects. Just imagine the problems all this junk could have

caused him in the near future (developementally and/or otherwise).

Alpha Lipoic Acid is a very powerful anti-oxidant. Supporting the immune

system during detox/elimination is definately a great idea though I

don't know if that is the primary reason your doctor has for prescribing

it. If there is another, I would very much like to know what it is.

Anita N.Y.

townestownestownes <teimer@...> wrote:

HI everyone

I am a new member. We have a 17 month old boy, Landon, who has had

three vac. of DTP and we stopped nothing else. He is very healthy

and active. We live in a historic house and did some remodeling and

I decided to have Landon's lead level tested, just due to that the

house was built in 1909, and we remodeled. His result came back at

10, and that was 3 months ago. We went to an enviromental doctor

(our insurance wouldn't pay for any treatment and his ped. said

there was no treatment) anyway I found a great environmental doc.

and we did very low chelation of using DSMA, and his level came down

to 5 in just 3 months and he is showing no effects. The doc. now

wants us to use alpha lipoic acid twice a day to get the rest of the

lead out of his system. I was wondering if anybody knows about

alpha lipoic acid??

By the way we did urine and fecal screen on him while he was taking

DSMA and you wouldn't believe all the heay metals he was excriting

including mercury, nickel, antimony.

Any thoughts

Thanks

Sincerely

Townes Eimer

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/06/2006 19:51:37 GMT Daylight Time, lucinda@... writes:

I know I must look back at the postings re: Lead but just cant work out where the huge amounts of lead in fred come from? Is it from years of exposure to it from t he environment since born? He is now seven. Lead isnt in vaccines is it and Fred always has filtered water?

>>If his ability to detox heavy metals is impaired he will accumulate all of them. Lead is all around us, air, dirt, chocolate, old paint, plumbing pipes, fillers - you can get testing sticks to check your home and reduce exposure but you'll not deal with all of it, if you want to stay on this planet that is!!

Lead is used in plastics, especially those made for outdoors to help stop it becoming brittle and cracking. Plastic blinds, garden hoses things like that.

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Hi Lucinda,

YES you should check out the pipes - I remember Sally posted about

her adventures with replacing pipes recently. Also you can get the

water board to check what's in your water - I think it was Margaret

who posted how.

Please don't strip the whole house and paint it again! If there's

lead in the paint that's already there - and you can buy test strips

in DIY shops to see if there is - you should NEVER strip it or sand

it as this releases lead dust into the atmosphere. The best course

of action is to paint over it thoroughly with non-toxic paint.

That's what we did as we have lead paint underneath.

What sort of water filter do you use? Whole house?

Hope some of that helps a bit but my feeling is that there is plenty

of lead coming from outside the home too

All the best

Sharon

>

> I know I must look back at the postings re: Lead but just cant work

out where the huge amounts of lead in fred come from? Is it from

years of exposure to it from t he environment since born? He is now

seven. Lead isnt in vaccines is it and Fred always has filtered

water?

>

> So Sorry if going over old ground - i cant remember what any of the

postings re: lead said.

>

> Should I get t he pipes checked out here? Or strip the whole house

and paint it again? Just wondered if anyone has any thoughts.

>

> Once again thank you all - this list is great.

>

> L x

>

[Guest guest]

thank you Patty. I almost bought a container with a spigot from Walmart

yesterday (a sun tea jar) and passed it up because of my paranoia about lead. I

think I will go back and buy it (it was only 4.97) and probably get a lead test

kit also, just to be sure. Thanks for the reassurance.

sarah

Lead

I don't remember if the lead discussion was in this group or another,

but, paranoid that I am, I went out and bought a test kit and tested

all the glassware I use for Kombucha, kefir and fermented veggies.

Anchor Hocking was negative (The big gallon jars), The glass bottles

from Wal Mart are negative (1/2 gallon, fat bottom, thin neck and

horizontally ribbed), the square glass jars with metal lids are

negative as are the glass jars with plastic lids from Dollar General,

so, my thought is that heavy clear glass containers, even if made in

China are safe (from lead anyway). As someone said, adding lead is

done for strength and used in crystal and would be an expensive way to

strengthen cheap containers. Hope this helps relieve some anxiety. No

guarantees though, unfortunately.

Patty

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thank you Patty. I almost bought a container with a spigot from Walmart

yesterday (a sun tea jar) and passed it up because of my paranoia about lead. I

think I will go back and buy it (it was only 4.97) and probably get a lead test

kit also, just to be sure. Thanks for the reassurance.

sarah

Lead

I don't remember if the lead discussion was in this group or another,

but, paranoid that I am, I went out and bought a test kit and tested

all the glassware I use for Kombucha, kefir and fermented veggies.

Anchor Hocking was negative (The big gallon jars), The glass bottles

from Wal Mart are negative (1/2 gallon, fat bottom, thin neck and

horizontally ribbed), the square glass jars with metal lids are

negative as are the glass jars with plastic lids from Dollar General,

so, my thought is that heavy clear glass containers, even if made in

China are safe (from lead anyway). As someone said, adding lead is

done for strength and used in crystal and would be an expensive way to

strengthen cheap containers. Hope this helps relieve some anxiety. No

guarantees though, unfortunately.

Patty

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My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it came back high

(the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no idea where it's

coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so no lead paint. We eat off

of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room which is adjacent to a gas burner

and hot water heater. Would that cause any of this? She is also on supplments,

do those contain lead? My lead levels were fine. I am really frightened. Any

advice would be greatly appreciated. Christie

[Guest guest]

What about her toys? A lot of toys have been found to have unsafe

levels of lead....

>

> My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it came

back high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no

idea where it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so

no lead paint. We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room

which is adjacent to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that

cause any of this? She is also on supplments, do those contain lead? My

lead levels were fine. I am really frightened. Any advice would be

greatly appreciated. Christie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What about formulas? Does she drink formulas?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM, <ccomunal@...> wrote:

> My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it came back

> high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no idea where

> it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so no lead paint.

> We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room which is adjacent

> to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of this? She is

> also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were fine. I am

> really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Christie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you checked your water? Even city water can have high lead

levels at times.

>

> > My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it

came back

> > high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no

idea where

> > it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so no

lead paint.

> > We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room which is

adjacent

> > to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of

this? She is

> > also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were

fine. I am

> > really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Christie

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Test your bathtub. As many as 70 percent of bathtubs are leaching

lead!. And look for paint chips. As far as I know, the lead paint was

still in use in the eighties. Also have your soil tested if they play in

the dirt or eat anything grown in the yard. As for formula I have never

ever heard a report that baby formula had lead in it but formula does have

high levels of aluminum. Good luck.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, babysx9 <babiesx7@...> wrote:

> Have you checked your water? Even city water can have high lead

> levels at times.

>

>

> >

> > > My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it

> came back

> > > high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no

> idea where

> > > it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so no

> lead paint.

> > > We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room which is

> adjacent

> > > to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of

> this? She is

> > > also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were

> fine. I am

> > > really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Christie

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

One more thing - Construction nearby? Tearing down a building or wall can

send many particles airborne. If your children are playing near a

construction site or your neighbors are putting up an addition there may be

lots of lead dust floating about.

*Test your bathtub. As many as 70 percent of bathtubs are leaching lead!.

And look for paint chips. As far as I know, the lead paint was still in use

in the eighties. Also have your soil tested if they play in the dirt or

eat anything grown in the yard. As for formula I have never ever heard a

report that baby formula had lead in it but formula does have high levels of

aluminum. Good luck. *

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, babysx9 <babiesx7@...> wrote:

> Have you checked your water? Even city water can have high lead

> levels at times.

>

>

> >

> > > My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it

> came back

> > > high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no

> idea where

> > > it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so no

> lead paint.

> > > We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room which is

> adjacent

> > > to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of

> this? She is

> > > also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were

> fine. I am

> > > really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Christie

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

FYI, lead-based paint was banned in the US in 1978.

Here is a brochure that can be helpful for tips on lowering some of

your lead exposure:

http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadpdfe.pdf

It is required by law to be given to all people purchasing home in CO

and NM - probably every state but these are the two I am familiar

with.

A mom on another list had this same problem... her child was tested

and had high levels of lead. She has a company come in to test

everything in her home. Some of the child's toys came back with lead

in them, but the major culprit was an old chair. It was apparently

painted with lead-based paint and the lead was leaching out even into

the dust that would settle on the chair. It was the child's favorite

chair, so every time she'd sit in or touch it, she was getting lead

dust on her hands/body. Then she'd eat, stick her fingers in her

mouth, whatever, and was ingesting high amounts of lead.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Dell <jetsettica@...> wrote:

> As far as I know, the lead paint was

> still in use in the eighties.

[Guest guest]

it was banned but there were still lots of it waiting to be used and Im not

surprised if it was used in the eighties. thimerisol could be found in

vaccines for a while after they said they stopped putting it in. What they

didnt tell people was that the batches that were already made with

thimerisol would continue to be shipped to docs offices and used on

children. Just double check. There are kits with little cigarette shaped

test sticks that allow you to easily test any surface in your house. My tub

was lead, I got it refinished to prevent the lead from coming out into the

bath. Good luck.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Roberg <trinnea@...> wrote:

> FYI, lead-based paint was banned in the US in 1978.

>

> Here is a brochure that can be helpful for tips on lowering some of

> your lead exposure:

> http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/leadpdfe.pdf

> It is required by law to be given to all people purchasing home in CO

> and NM - probably every state but these are the two I am familiar

> with.

>

> A mom on another list had this same problem... her child was tested

> and had high levels of lead. She has a company come in to test

> everything in her home. Some of the child's toys came back with lead

> in them, but the major culprit was an old chair. It was apparently

> painted with lead-based paint and the lead was leaching out even into

> the dust that would settle on the chair. It was the child's favorite

> chair, so every time she'd sit in or touch it, she was getting lead

> dust on her hands/body. Then she'd eat, stick her fingers in her

> mouth, whatever, and was ingesting high amounts of lead.

>

>

>

> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Dell

<jetsettica@...<jetsettica%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> > As far as I know, the lead paint was

> > still in use in the eighties.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

where can i find the kits?

Rina

> > As far as I know, the lead paint was

> > still in use in the eighties.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes tests are wrong - or get mixed up at the lab too.

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of brenda moore

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:48 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: lead

What about formulas? Does she drink formulas?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM, <ccomunal@...

<mailto:ccomunal%40optonline.net> > wrote:

> My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it came back

> high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no idea

where

> it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so no lead paint.

> We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room which is adjacent

> to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of this? She is

> also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were fine. I am

> really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Christie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Never heard about bathtubs

Do you have a link for this?

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Dell

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:59 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Re: lead

Test your bathtub. As many as 70 percent of bathtubs are leaching

lead!. And look for paint chips. As far as I know, the lead paint was

still in use in the eighties. Also have your soil tested if they play in

the dirt or eat anything grown in the yard. As for formula I have never

ever heard a report that baby formula had lead in it but formula does have

high levels of aluminum. Good luck.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, babysx9 <babiesx7@...

<mailto:babiesx7%40bellsouth.net> > wrote:

> Have you checked your water? Even city water can have high lead

> levels at times.

>

>

> >

> > > My 11 month old just had her blood level of lead tested and it

> came back

> > > high (the test was done by her allopath pediatrician). I have no

> idea where

> > > it's coming from. We live in a house built in the 1980's so no

> lead paint.

> > > We eat off of glass dishes etc. She does sleep in a room which is

> adjacent

> > > to a gas burner and hot water heater. Would that cause any of

> this? She is

> > > also on supplments, do those contain lead? My lead levels were

> fine. I am

> > > really frightened. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Christie

> > >

> > >