New with some questions

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> So thankful for this forum. I am learning lots!

+++Hi Tina. Welcome to our group.

>

> For the last 10 years or so, I have struggled with anxiety so two

> years ago I went to a hormone doctor who diagnosed me with low

> thyroid and low cortisol. He put me on Armour Thyroid and

> Hydrocortisone (HC) and a host of other meds and vitamins. I was

> still getting lots of shakiness in the morning so he suggested more

> supplements which didn't fix it. Then had me go through a

> neurotransmitter urine test which showed my levels of seratonin,

> dopamine, epinephrine (sp) and others being off. I took sugar and

> grains out of my diet for awhile and took supplements for

> neurotransmitter imbalance (mostly amino acids and vitamins). The

> shakiness got better but I still had some in the mornings so I did

> some experiementing since all he seemed to want to do was suggest

> more supplements.

+++That's good you realized what your doctor was doing. The reason

he perscribed so many things is because he doesn't understand what

the body requires in " proper nutrients " so he treats the results, not

the " cause. "

>

> I found that when I allowed sugar and grains back into my diet the

> shakiness got worse. When I went off the HC and amino acids, the

> shakiness was as bad as ever. But when I went on vacation, I was as

> calm as a cucumber! So I started seeing a connection between stress,

> diet and the shakiness. I did some experimenting and wound up

> changing doctors. About six months ago, I started eating good again

> (trying to stay away from grains and sugar as I had been doing). A

> couple of weeks ago, my new doctor put me back on HC since the test

> showed my cortisol was still off and I have had some stressful

> situations arise which makes me shaky still. And I am still on a

> lower dosage of the amino acids until I can learn more about diet

and seratonin etc..

+++Amino acids are usually made from soy, which is very damaging to

the body. The best amino acids are direct from Mother nature, in

foods like good meats and eggs. Bee's Egg Drink is excellent!

> I am thinking my issues may be more diet related than cortisol and

> imbalanced neurotransmitters. Would being on the candida diet with

> eating lots of fats and good food help balance my system out so that

> I can go off the HC and amino acids for good?

+++You are so right Tina! Most candida sufferers have low adrenal

and thyroid function. That's because candida causes all cell

membranes to go rigid/stiff so this means all of the organs are less

able to function, and any hormones produced, along with nutrients and

even water, aren't as able to get into the cells where they are

needed to do their job. See " Candida Causes Cell Membrane Defects " ;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cabout1.php

+++I don't believe in taking hormones of any kind. In fact I lost my

thyroid due to over medicating when I was on my candida program over

20 years ago. At some point during my recovery my thyroid was

recovering too, yet it got confused because of the meds, and it went

into such a tizzy, from low to very high in a short time. But it was

so seriously overactive, and I didn't know any better then, so it was

zapped with radioactive iodine.

+++Proper nutrients (my diet plus all supplements) are all anyone

needs to rebalance their body and for organs to normalize. As Dr.

Weston A. Price's research proves, " proper nutrients " change and

correct DNA/genes! His book is called " Nutrition and Physical

Degeneration " ; available on my website:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cabout1.php

+++Hopefully you've read " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " on my

website, and also you'll need " Curing Candida, How to Get Started " -

both are here: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

+++You can't go wrong following Nature's Laws regarding health, by

giving your body what it needs so it can heal itself naturally.

We look forward to hearing from you, and we are here to help and

support you so you too can be healthy!

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Thanks so much for all you shared. Many thanks for putting this site

and all the information on Candida together. You have put a lot of

effort to make this site valuable.

Would you mind a few more questions? I looked over the diet and I am

eating closely to that. But I was hoping to ask for some direction

since I am still taking some hormones for adrenal fatigue and thyroid

and amino acid supplements for my neurotransmitter imbalance.

I checked the ingredients in the amino acids as you suggested and

they don't indicate soy products. But I am slowly weaning off of

them hoping as I continue to eat well, I won't be needing them as

much (or at all). I'm a little nervous about it though since I get

shaky when I am off of them alltogether. So I am lowering them

slowly. Are there any foods in particular that you know of that may

help supplement serotonin and the inhibitory neurotransmitters since

I showed low in that on the test?

My new natural doctor has me on Cortef for my cortisol imbalance. It

is a short term thing, he is hoping to raise my low cortisol so that

my adrenals will have a chance to rest and then he'll wean me off.

While my preference is to not be on them at all, I allowed stress and

poor diet to affect my health and now have the consequences. In the

interim, my stomach cant tolerate Cortef without drinking milk with

it. I have tried taking it with other foods like coconut oil,

butter, soup, protein, eggs, avacados...and can't seem to find any

food that will coat my stomach good enough so that the Cortef doesn't

burn (a previous medication irritated my stomach and it doesn't seem

to have healed yet). Do you have any ideas?

Over the last month or so, I have worked up to 5 Tbsp Coconut Oil,

eating fermented foods, lots of good fats, taking supplements, not

eating grains, processed food or sugar, eating raw garlic. I didn't

realize fruit fed candida so I just stopped that. Since I have been

doing most of the diet already, can I safely add in Oregano Oil to

help rid any remaining candida without restarting at step 1 (since I

still have milk in diet and just stopped fruit)?

Is there a way to tell when you can add things like fruit back in?

Perhaps when you are symptom free for a certain amount of time?

I couldn't find the Weston Price information in the link you

provided. Did I miss it? If so, I apologize.

Thank you again for all your help. This is a true blessing.

Tina

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Thanks so much for all you shared. Many thanks for putting this

site

> and all the information on Candida together. You have put a lot of

> effort to make this site valuable.

>

> Would you mind a few more questions? I looked over the diet and I

am

> eating closely to that. But I was hoping to ask for some direction

> since I am still taking some hormones for adrenal fatigue and

thyroid

> and amino acid supplements for my neurotransmitter imbalance.

>

> I checked the ingredients in the amino acids as you suggested and

> they don't indicate soy products. But I am slowly weaning off of

> them hoping as I continue to eat well, I won't be needing them as

> much (or at all). I'm a little nervous about it though since I get

> shaky when I am off of them alltogether. So I am lowering them

> slowly. Are there any foods in particular that you know of that

may

> help supplement serotonin and the inhibitory neurotransmitters

since

> I showed low in that on the test?

+++Hi Tina. There are a number of things throughout the body that

regulate and influence seritonin and neurotransmitters. Also a lot

of seritonin is produced in the intestines, so first of all improving

digestion is important. This high " good " fats program along

supplements (since nutrients do not work in isolation of others)

strengthens the intestinal lining, and helps your body produce

seritonin. Also most cell membranes need to be constructed out of

50% saturated fat (the ones I recommend) - lung cells require 100% -

so it can take time to correct poor weak cell membranes. Also

candida causes all cell membranes to become rigid/stiff which

interferes with the functioning of all organs, and any hormones,

nutrients, and even water aren't as able to get into rigid cells -

see Candida Causes Cell Membrane Defects:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cabout1.php

+++So the answer is: This program (diet plus supplements) are what

will heal any deficiences, malfunctions, etc. throughout the body.

No one thing on the program is more helpful than anything else

because all nutrients work together, giving the body what it needs to

heal, rebalance, repair, etc.

>

> My new natural doctor has me on Cortef for my cortisol imbalance.

It is a short term thing, he is hoping to raise my low cortisol so

that my adrenals will have a chance to rest and then he'll wean me

off. While my preference is to not be on them at all, I allowed

stress and poor diet to affect my health and now have the

consequences. In the interim, my stomach cant tolerate Cortef

without drinking milk with it. I have tried taking it with other

foods like coconut oil, butter, soup, protein, eggs, avacados...and

can't seem to find any food that will coat my stomach good enough so

that the Cortef doesn't burn (a previous medication irritated my

stomach and it doesn't seem to have healed yet). Do you have any

ideas?

+++Hormones are a big problem since they interfere with the body's

ability to heal properly, since they are so powerful. There are many

things on my program that help the adrenals - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat1.php

+++I think it is better to gradually taper off of any hormones, other

supplements, meds, etc. you are taking when you start on this program.

>

> Over the last month or so, I have worked up to 5 Tbsp Coconut Oil,

> eating fermented foods, lots of good fats, taking supplements, not

> eating grains, processed food or sugar, eating raw garlic.

+++You wouldn't be eating raw garlic until you can tolerate 6 tbsp of

coconut oil.

I didn't realize fruit fed candida so I just stopped that. Since I

have been doing most of the diet already, can I safely add in Oregano

Oil to help rid any remaining candida without restarting at step 1

(since I still have milk in diet and just stopped fruit)?

+++No, you wouldn't add oil of oregano nor garlic yet, until you can

have 6 tbsp. of coconut oil without getting severe die-off symptoms.

Then you don't overdo it by taking both garlic and oil of oregano,

since it isn't necessary and it overwhelms your body. " More is not

better. " Also antifungals help because they lower candida numbers so

it isn't producing so many toxins for the body to get rid of, but

antifungals are very unimportant (except coconut oil) compared to

diet plus supplements. You shouldn't push your body either, since it

will just get overwhelmed and stop the healing process.

>

> Is there a way to tell when you can add things like fruit back in?

> Perhaps when you are symptom free for a certain amount of time?

+++After you've done all 4 steps of this program, get back to me.

>

> I couldn't find the Weston Price information in the link you

> provided. Did I miss it? If so, I apologize.

+++What link was that?

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge. I will be working on

following your suggestions and weaning off the Hydrocortisone, Amino

Acids and Armour Thyroid.

Here is that reference you had to Weston Price that I couldn't find.

+++Proper nutrients (my diet plus all supplements) are all anyone

needs to rebalance their body and for organs to normalize. As Dr.

Weston A. Price's research proves, " proper nutrients " change and

correct DNA/genes! His book is called " Nutrition and Physical

Degeneration " ; available on my website:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cabout1.php

Blessings,

Tina

> >

> > I couldn't find the Weston Price information in the link you

> > provided. Did I miss it? If so, I apologize.

>

> +++What link was that?

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Thank you again for sharing your knowledge. I will be working on

> following your suggestions and weaning off the Hydrocortisone,

Amino

> Acids and Armour Thyroid.

>

> Here is that reference you had to Weston Price that I couldn't find.

>

> +++Proper nutrients (my diet plus all supplements) are all anyone

> needs to rebalance their body and for organs to normalize. As Dr.

> Weston A. Price's research proves, " proper nutrients " change and

> correct DNA/genes! His book is called " Nutrition and Physical

> Degeneration " ; available on my website:

+++Sorry about that Tina. Here's the reference for Dr. Price's book:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/resource/amazon.php

His book is also available online, depending upon copyright laws in

your country:

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html

Bee

[Guest guest]

My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She has some

similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability at times

with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated), B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and

might have made things a little worse. We have discussed chelation as my

daughter tested borderline for heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we

were going to try zeolite, but decided on alpha lipoic acid. I'm scared to

death to try it, as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability

at this point and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the

candida treatment. I guess my questions are:

1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go away?

2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q 4-6

hours but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor? I have

a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see if heavy

metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our visit.) Are

you supposed to officially test?

4. Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

My question is... did you get all the candida the first time? I've heard that

if you don't get it pretty much taken care of that it can come back with a

vengence and sometimes get worse. Just a thought.

As far as the ALA, from what I have read, ALA is used after you use something

else. The ALA goes beyond the blood brain barrier and if you use it at the

beginning it can take the metals into the brain and deposit them there. I think

I read this in Children with Starving Brains by Jacquelyn McCandeless... I'm not

expert. We will be chelating soon. Also......... there is the viral thing.

Some people attack virals first before they do chelation,,, some people do it at

the same time. We are trying to get my son's titers tested before we approach

chelation.

>

> My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She has some

similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability at times

with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated), B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and

might have made things a little worse. We have discussed chelation as my

daughter tested borderline for heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we

were going to try zeolite, but decided on alpha lipoic acid. I'm scared to

death to try it, as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability

at this point and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the

candida treatment. I guess my questions are:

> 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go away?

> 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q 4-6

hours but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

> 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor? I

have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see if

heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our

visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

> 4. Any other suggestions?

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She has some

similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability at times

with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated),

There are never any circumstances large amounts of B-12 should be given to

someone with mood instability!

> B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and might have made things a

little worse. We have discussed chelation as my daughter tested borderline for

heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we were going to try zeolite,

Which is not a chelator.

>but decided on alpha lipoic acid.

At least it is a chelator.

> I'm scared to death to try it,

Good.

>as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability at this point and

I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the candida treatment.

I guess my questions are:

> 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go away?

> 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q 4-6

hours

This makes it highly probable.

> but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it indefinitely.

I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

If you want any hope of it improving her, you have to do it properly. Every 3-4

hours or not at all. Day and night.

> 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor?

Lots of people. It is after all over the counter.

>I have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see if

heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our

visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

No. It is irrelevant, the results have no significance and are uninterpretable.

> 4. Any other suggestions?

I've consulted on many bipolar cases. The only ones who have any hope of

getting better are those who are compliant with mainstream medications. These

work a lot better and side effects can be minimized by using a lot of

supplements and dietary interventions too, but there is no substitute for

regular medications and essentially no hope of success without them. It can,

however, take trying several of them to find one or two that actually work OK.

Many people with bipolar or anxiety or schizophrenia are chemically sensitive

and not recognised as such. Getting rid of things in the environment that

bother chemically sensitive people, and giving her niacinamide, grapefruit

products (e. g. juice) and ADP brand emulsified oregano oil can help with this.

Introduce the EOO slowly. It will keep the yeast under control without the

toxic effects of the Rx medications that she seems to have experienced.

When you do chelate, do it right (while Doctors may THINK they're God, they do

not actually have the power to change the laws of nature which govern the

behavior of chemicals like ALA inside the human body) and start at very low

doses. Work up to one that is well tolerated and stay there for 6 months or a

year. Do not attempt to withdraw any medications for her bipolar illness until

you've chelated at least 2-3 years.

> Thanks!

>

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

[Guest guest]

>

> There are never any circumstances large amounts of B-12 should be given to

someone with mood instability!

>

Andy, can you elaborate on this please?

How much is " large amounts " of B12, and how is B12 involved in mood instability?

[Guest guest]

> >

> > There are never any circumstances large amounts of B-12 should be given to

someone with mood instability!

> >

>

> Andy, can you elaborate on this please?

> How much is " large amounts " of B12,

more than 50 mcg.

>and how is B12 involved in mood instability?

>

It causes agitation, anger, distress and aggression in a lot of people. The

amount that does this tends to be very small for those with pre-existing mood

instability. The problem can last for months and months after you stop the

B-12, too.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your input.

I have a differing opinion re: treating bipolar disorder with traditional meds.

I have spoken with or corresponded with many people who carry this diagnosis and

have made much more significant gains on supplements rather than traditional

meds. It could be that they were labeled with the incorrect diagnosis

initially. It's possible that my daughter was as well, as some of her symptoms

overlap with ASD, and she hasn't shown any true " mania " except the severe

irritability, but never any risk-taking behavior.

Because her testing did show a borderline heavy metal overload, I thought it

might be worth a chelating trial. I'm really interested in knowing if anyone

had tried ALA and experienced negative effects that persisted.

We're also re-testing for candida, so that should help figure out her yeast

status.

> >

> > My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She has some

similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability at times

with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated),

>

> There are never any circumstances large amounts of B-12 should be given to

someone with mood instability!

>

> > B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and might have made things a

little worse. We have discussed chelation as my daughter tested borderline for

heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we were going to try zeolite,

>

> Which is not a chelator.

>

> >but decided on alpha lipoic acid.

>

> At least it is a chelator.

>

> > I'm scared to death to try it,

>

> Good.

>

> >as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability at this point

and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the candida

treatment. I guess my questions are:

> > 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go

away?

> > 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q

4-6 hours

>

> This makes it highly probable.

>

> > but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

>

> If you want any hope of it improving her, you have to do it properly. Every

3-4 hours or not at all. Day and night.

>

> > 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor?

>

> Lots of people. It is after all over the counter.

>

> >I have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see

if heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our

visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

>

> No. It is irrelevant, the results have no significance and are

uninterpretable.

>

> > 4. Any other suggestions?

>

> I've consulted on many bipolar cases. The only ones who have any hope of

getting better are those who are compliant with mainstream medications. These

work a lot better and side effects can be minimized by using a lot of

supplements and dietary interventions too, but there is no substitute for

regular medications and essentially no hope of success without them. It can,

however, take trying several of them to find one or two that actually work OK.

>

> Many people with bipolar or anxiety or schizophrenia are chemically sensitive

and not recognised as such. Getting rid of things in the environment that

bother chemically sensitive people, and giving her niacinamide, grapefruit

products (e. g. juice) and ADP brand emulsified oregano oil can help with this.

Introduce the EOO slowly. It will keep the yeast under control without the

toxic effects of the Rx medications that she seems to have experienced.

>

> When you do chelate, do it right (while Doctors may THINK they're God, they do

not actually have the power to change the laws of nature which govern the

behavior of chemicals like ALA inside the human body) and start at very low

doses. Work up to one that is well tolerated and stay there for 6 months or a

year. Do not attempt to withdraw any medications for her bipolar illness until

you've chelated at least 2-3 years.

>

> > Thanks!

> >

> Andy

>

> www.noamalgam.com

>

> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

[Guest guest]

Testing uncovered pretty low B12 levels (or markers for B12) for us. Do you

recommend not supplementing for deficiencies?

> > >

> > > There are never any circumstances large amounts of B-12 should be given to

someone with mood instability!

> > >

> >

> > Andy, can you elaborate on this please?

> > How much is " large amounts " of B12,

>

> more than 50 mcg.

>

> >and how is B12 involved in mood instability?

> >

> It causes agitation, anger, distress and aggression in a lot of people. The

amount that does this tends to be very small for those with pre-existing mood

instability. The problem can last for months and months after you stop the

B-12, too.

>

> Andy

>

> www.noamalgam.com

>

> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

[Guest guest]

How do you know if you have a viral problem?

> >

> > My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She has some

similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability at times

with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated), B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and

might have made things a little worse. We have discussed chelation as my

daughter tested borderline for heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we

were going to try zeolite, but decided on alpha lipoic acid. I'm scared to

death to try it, as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability

at this point and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the

candida treatment. I guess my questions are:

> > 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go

away?

> > 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q

4-6 hours but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

> > 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor? I

have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see if

heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our

visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

> > 4. Any other suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Andy,

My daughter was told she was bi-polar too, but I beleive the bi-polar

like symptoms are from these seizures like activity she has, in the

temporal lobe. Isn't it sometimes difficult to seperate the two?

On Jun 21, 2009, at 2:24 PM, andrewhallcutler wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has

> been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the

> autism spectrum. She has some similar symptoms, the most

> significant being some severe irritability at times with tantrums/

> rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

> completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional

> supplement called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and

> minerals) with omega 3s and probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a

> DAN doctor and recently underwent a candida treatment for 1.5

> months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't make it due to a

> lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month ago

> and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other

> add-ons e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated),

>

> There are never any circumstances large amounts of B-12 should be

> given to someone with mood instability!

>

> > B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and might have made

> things a little worse. We have discussed chelation as my daughter

> tested borderline for heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally

> we were going to try zeolite,

>

> Which is not a chelator.

>

> >but decided on alpha lipoic acid.

>

> At least it is a chelator.

>

> > I'm scared to death to try it,

>

> Good.

>

> >as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability at

> this point and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did

> after the candida treatment. I guess my questions are:

> > 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did

> not go away?

> > 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to

> use it q 4-6 hours

>

> This makes it highly probable.

>

> > but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

> indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

>

> If you want any hope of it improving her, you have to do it

> properly. Every 3-4 hours or not at all. Day and night.

>

> > 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a

> doctor?

>

> Lots of people. It is after all over the counter.

>

> >I have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of

> it to see if heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't

> discuss this at our visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

>

> No. It is irrelevant, the results have no significance and are

> uninterpretable.

>

> > 4. Any other suggestions?

>

> I've consulted on many bipolar cases. The only ones who have any

> hope of getting better are those who are compliant with mainstream

> medications. These work a lot better and side effects can be

> minimized by using a lot of supplements and dietary interventions

> too, but there is no substitute for regular medications and

> essentially no hope of success without them. It can, however, take

> trying several of them to find one or two that actually work OK.

>

> Many people with bipolar or anxiety or schizophrenia are chemically

> sensitive and not recognised as such. Getting rid of things in the

> environment that bother chemically sensitive people, and giving her

> niacinamide, grapefruit products (e. g. juice) and ADP brand

> emulsified oregano oil can help with this. Introduce the EOO

> slowly. It will keep the yeast under control without the toxic

> effects of the Rx medications that she seems to have experienced.

>

> When you do chelate, do it right (while Doctors may THINK they're

> God, they do not actually have the power to change the laws of

> nature which govern the behavior of chemicals like ALA inside the

> human body) and start at very low doses. Work up to one that is

> well tolerated and stay there for 6 months or a year. Do not

> attempt to withdraw any medications for her bipolar illness until

> you've chelated at least 2-3 years.

>

> > Thanks!

> >

> Andy

>

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>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> How do you know if you have a viral problem?

I went by observation of symptoms

http://www.danasview.net/virfile.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks. This is interesting.

> >

> > How do you know if you have a viral problem?

>

>

> I went by observation of symptoms

>

> http://www.danasview.net/virfile.htm

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried lithium orotate? I'm surprised Andy didn't mention it (or maybe

I missed it). My son had a lot of tantrums and rages and we had to modify his

diet (with lots of trial and error) and he is no longer that way.

I just found out that lithium also increases glucose metabolism in the brain,

which could help with blood sugar issues (low blood sugar makes my son really

crazy, angry and irritable). I don't know if that was why she was on the

chromium? My son couldn't tolerate the chromium only because it contained

niacin. Now I think he may have just been having niacin flushes, which are

okay, not actually negative reactions. He still needs to eat often when on ALA

or he gets really cranky (it lowers blood sugar).

I wish you the best, we've been there and it's no picnic I know.

Take care,

Liz

>

> My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She has some

similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability at times

with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated), B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and

might have made things a little worse. We have discussed chelation as my

daughter tested borderline for heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we

were going to try zeolite, but decided on alpha lipoic acid. I'm scared to

death to try it, as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability

at this point and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the

candida treatment. I guess my questions are:

> 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go away?

> 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q 4-6

hours but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

> 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor? I

have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see if

heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our

visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

> 4. Any other suggestions?

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

THanks so much for the suggestion. I have talked about it in the past with our

doctor but never actually tried it. It's interesting that her natural lithium

levels were pretty low on testing. Does your son take the lithium orotate or

were you successful using only the diet modifications? I've read a little bit

about the l.o. and have heard both positives and negatives. I hadn't heard about

the effects on glucose metabolism - my daughter definitely does have issues

around blood sugar levels, and yes, that was why she was taking the chromium

(levels on testing were also low).

If you do use it, can I ask what brand you use and how much?

Thanks for your kind words.

> >

> > My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She has some

similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability at times

with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did not

completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated), B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and

might have made things a little worse. We have discussed chelation as my

daughter tested borderline for heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we

were going to try zeolite, but decided on alpha lipoic acid. I'm scared to

death to try it, as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability

at this point and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the

candida treatment. I guess my questions are:

> > 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go

away?

> > 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q

4-6 hours but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

> > 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor? I

have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see if

heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our

visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

> > 4. Any other suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son's lithium levels were off the charts low. He was on it for awhile but

not knowing how long I should use it, I took him off when the symptoms seemed

better. The brand I have is Relentless Improvement, I couldn't tell you

anything about dosing - just that I always use very little of something at first

to see how it affects him (1/8 - 1/4 adult dose?)

> > >

> > > My 9 y.o. daughter does not carry an autism diagnosis but has been

diagnosed with bipolar disorder, which I believe is on the autism spectrum. She

has some similar symptoms, the most significant being some severe irritability

at times with tantrums/rages. We have tried traditional medications which did

not completely work with lots of side effects, now on a nutritional supplement

called Empower (essentially high-dose vitamins and minerals) with omega 3s and

probiotics as add-ons. We are seeing a DAN doctor and recently underwent a

candida treatment for 1.5 months (supposed to do 3 months total but couldn't

make it due to a lot of increased irritability). We finished this about 1 month

ago and the increased irritability never went away. We tried some other add-ons

e.g zinc, B12 (not methylated), B6 and chromium, which overall did not help and

might have made things a little worse. We have discussed chelation as my

daughter tested borderline for heavy metal overload via DDI test; originally we

were going to try zeolite, but decided on alpha lipoic acid. I'm scared to

death to try it, as we as a family cannot handle a whole lot more irritability

at this point and I'm afraid we might see some regression like we did after the

candida treatment. I guess my questions are:

> > > 1. Has anyone seen regression after a candida treatment that did not go

away?

> > > 2. How about regression after a trial of ALA? Our doc told us to use it q

4-6 hours but to not wake her to give it to her, and that we could use it

indefinitely. I know this does not follow the " Andy protocol " .

> > > 3. Has anyone undergone chelation with ALA without the help of a doctor?

I have a call into my doctor to ask about testing after a trial of it to see if

heavy metals are actually being pulled out (we didn't discuss this at our

visit.) Are you supposed to officially test?

> > > 4. Any other suggestions?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Im not an expert on this stuff im pretty new too...but I can tell you my son

(5) was similarly sick with ear infections, sinus, strep and his IGG levels

are good and he doesn't respond to only one vaccine BUT he has been on IVIG

for 7 month solely based on the amount and frequency of

infections...although it has been tough he has gone april to july with no

infections.

e (mom to jacob 5 SAD)

On Sep 5, 2011 8:41 PM, " " <sarah0248@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> My name is and I have 4 children, 2 of whom have had immune issues.

My 9 year old had repeated ear infections that would not clear as a baby and

had 4 sets of ear tubes. SHe had repeated sinus infections that we treated

with antibiotics about every 8 weeks. She had immune work ups around the age

of 3 or 4 and was found to low/low normal (depending on the blood draw) IGG

levels but have a good antibody response and so we did not do any IVIG and,

really, stopped seeing our immunologist. She has asthma though so we saw our

pulmonologist regularly. A couple of years ago she had a horrible rash of

warts on her hands as well as some on her face and tongue. I never thought

much about how her immune system might be " allowing " the warts until

recently. In the last year, she has had several bouts of strep and was

hospitalized with a peritonsillar abscess. In January she had her tonsils

removed and, thus far, has been pretty illness free. We recently had her

immunoglobulin levels drawn at the request of our immunologist (though

different from the other one that we were seeing) as a way of comparison

with my other daughter (age 3) who has been showing some immune problems.

Her IGG level as well as her IGG 1 level are the lowest they have ever been

(more than a 100 units lower than low normal)...I am wondering if this is a

precusor to what could be a bad year infection-wise? We have not had her

levels looked at in over a year - maybe two - and I'm just wondering what

has your experience been with levels and how that translates to infections?

>

> My other daughter, age 3, has had mostly respiratory illnesses about every

4 weeks since she was 6 months old. She was hospitalized for a signficant

sinus infection earlier this year and it is finally cleared/clearing after

sinus surgery and being on Cipro for almost 8 weeks. Her latest numbers are

looking good though we are waiting to see if she held on to her antibodies

from the Prevnar vaccine she received in the spring.

>

> While our doctor is happy that her numbers are looking good, it is

difficult to be excited about them when our day to day life is still filled

with so much illness.

>

> Thanks for your feedback!

>

>

> 4 children all who have varying degrees of asthma, 2 who struggle with

immune issues

>

[Guest guest]

Im not an expert on this stuff im pretty new too...but I can tell you my son

(5) was similarly sick with ear infections, sinus, strep and his IGG levels

are good and he doesn't respond to only one vaccine BUT he has been on IVIG

for 7 month solely based on the amount and frequency of

infections...although it has been tough he has gone april to july with no

infections.

e (mom to jacob 5 SAD)

On Sep 5, 2011 8:41 PM, " " <sarah0248@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> My name is and I have 4 children, 2 of whom have had immune issues.

My 9 year old had repeated ear infections that would not clear as a baby and

had 4 sets of ear tubes. SHe had repeated sinus infections that we treated

with antibiotics about every 8 weeks. She had immune work ups around the age

of 3 or 4 and was found to low/low normal (depending on the blood draw) IGG

levels but have a good antibody response and so we did not do any IVIG and,

really, stopped seeing our immunologist. She has asthma though so we saw our

pulmonologist regularly. A couple of years ago she had a horrible rash of

warts on her hands as well as some on her face and tongue. I never thought

much about how her immune system might be " allowing " the warts until

recently. In the last year, she has had several bouts of strep and was

hospitalized with a peritonsillar abscess. In January she had her tonsils

removed and, thus far, has been pretty illness free. We recently had her

immunoglobulin levels drawn at the request of our immunologist (though

different from the other one that we were seeing) as a way of comparison

with my other daughter (age 3) who has been showing some immune problems.

Her IGG level as well as her IGG 1 level are the lowest they have ever been

(more than a 100 units lower than low normal)...I am wondering if this is a

precusor to what could be a bad year infection-wise? We have not had her

levels looked at in over a year - maybe two - and I'm just wondering what

has your experience been with levels and how that translates to infections?

>

> My other daughter, age 3, has had mostly respiratory illnesses about every

4 weeks since she was 6 months old. She was hospitalized for a signficant

sinus infection earlier this year and it is finally cleared/clearing after

sinus surgery and being on Cipro for almost 8 weeks. Her latest numbers are

looking good though we are waiting to see if she held on to her antibodies

from the Prevnar vaccine she received in the spring.

>

> While our doctor is happy that her numbers are looking good, it is

difficult to be excited about them when our day to day life is still filled

with so much illness.

>

> Thanks for your feedback!

>

>

> 4 children all who have varying degrees of asthma, 2 who struggle with

immune issues

>