Re: Help! Started ALA and miserable

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From: khieken

===>Try some extra C and magnesium, often helps kids who get irritable.

Reduce dose at next round and/or chelate with Dmsa for 2-4 rounds, then try the

Ala again.

We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not, please

do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the day or 2

hours even.

[ ] Help! Started ALA and miserable

We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

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>I will try these. I don't have any DMSA and wasn't planning on using it

Does cutting the ALA dose in half sound reasonable?

Thanks

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> From: khieken

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> ===>Try some extra C and magnesium, often helps kids who get irritable.

Reduce dose at next round and/or chelate with Dmsa for 2-4 rounds, then try the

Ala again.

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> We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> Any suggestions?

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> Thanks.

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Yes, we are using the 3 hr day and 4 hr night protocol. She got a dose at 8 am,

then turned rotten shortly after that, maybe 1/2 to 1 hour later. Would you

still recommend dosing more frequently, with a lower dose? What about

nighttime?

Thanks for your help.

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> I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not, please

do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the day or 2

hours even.

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> We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> Any suggestions?

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> Thanks.

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> We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful.

Try increasing the yeast protocol. Those were yeast symptoms here.

Dana

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> We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> Any suggestions?

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> Thanks.

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Not sure what others did, but we cut the dose down...but also the time...we had

to adjust it down to every 2.5 hrs. Some kids are really sensitive and it

seems that ya gotta go lower and keep the timing closer so that the

redistribution and dropping doesn't occur...that always made my kids

miserable...thus the shorter hours...but also you might double up on your yeast

protocol as ALA is terrible on stirring up the yeast. For some of our kids it

gets pretty intense.

hth

Ronni

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> We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> Any suggestions?

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> Thanks.

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Yes, these are symptoms we have seen a lot in her, but we have improved them a

lot with supplements, etc. She calmed down after her initial irritability, but

right now she is having a full-blown tantrum/rage because she couldn't go

somewhere with dad this morning. Behavior hasn't been this bad in a long time

I want to give this our best shot, so I will try the more frequent dosing and

see if it helps. I will say that we usually need to start low doses with

supplements because she tends to have significant reactions to things. I

probably should have started with a lower dose.

If you or anyone else has any other suggestions, I would love to hear them.

THanks.

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> > I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not,

please do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the

day or 2 hours even.

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> > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

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I agree with everything said. I would totally increase the yeast

protocol and then make sure that you follow EACH anti-yeast dose/ treatment with

activated charcoal (you can dump it in whatever you kid will drink) 2 hours

later. It does a nice job of picking up die offs - it MIGHT calm her down!

Caution - it will turn anything black (but it is tasteless so it won't alter the

taste of the drink). I just have to use opaque sippy cup for my guy and he does

not even notice.

Hang in there!

Lena

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> From: khieken

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> You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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> > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

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Thanks. We have used activated charcoal and she swallows the capsules like a

pro, and it usually does help to calm her down. It's just that sometimes the

dosing is tricky - like, I want to use it *now*, but have to wait a while!

Is this an unusual reaction, and is it a signal that maybe this is not the right

protocol for us?

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> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: khieken

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> > You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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----- Original Message -----

From: lenakhais

Lena, with the AC don't you have to dose away from supplements and the

chelator? Just asking as we've never used AC, but I've heard others say it will

eat up everything.

I agree with everything said. I would totally increase the yeast

protocol and then make sure that you follow EACH anti-yeast dose/ treatment with

activated charcoal (you can dump it in whatever you kid will drink) 2 hours

later. It does a nice job of picking up die offs - it MIGHT calm her down!

Caution - it will turn anything black (but it is tasteless so it won't alter

the taste of the drink). I just have to use opaque sippy cup for my guy and he

does not even notice.

Hang in there!

Lena

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: khieken

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> You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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Activated charcoal will adsorb everything, so I would ask Andy before including

it in his protocol. I don't see what would stop it from adsorbing ALA and

therefore altering the blood levels, which is contrary to the aims of the

protocol.

J

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> > From: khieken

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> > You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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> > > ----- Original Message -----

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> > > You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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, ALA can lower blood sugar leading to irritability. If she eats more

often, the irritability may be lessened. I agree with on the Vitamin C

and magnesium. I would put the vitamin C right in the chelator and give the

magnesium often but at separate times.

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> > I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not,

please do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the

day or 2 hours even.

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> > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is

just miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone -

it's just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> > Any suggestions?

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> > Thanks.

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I adjusted the time too, but then I figured out it wasn't a problem with timing,

it was a blood sugar thing. Definitely agree that lessening the dose helps too.

My kids especially tolerated a lesser dose when they were having Candida issues,

when the Candida was under control, the tolerance went up.

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> Not sure what others did, but we cut the dose down...but also the time...we

had to adjust it down to every 2.5 hrs. Some kids are really sensitive and it

seems that ya gotta go lower and keep the timing closer so that the

redistribution and dropping doesn't occur...that always made my kids

miserable...thus the shorter hours...but also you might double up on your yeast

protocol as ALA is terrible on stirring up the yeast. For some of our kids it

gets pretty intense.

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> hth

> Ronni

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> > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> > Any suggestions?

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> > Thanks.

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Yes, you have to dose it away from everything else and if you HAVE to go back to

2.5 hours in between ALAs you might not be able to do charcoal on the round. I

agree with another poster - if Andy could weigh in here, that would be ideal.

I just know that my child is SO miserable with die off effects, that charcoal is

our only savor. It is an extreme pain in the neck to figure out all the dosing

though to ensure that it is given far away from all other supps (which at times

couldn't be combined EITHER) to avoid wiping off everything.

So perhaps the safer route for you is to finish the round (as hard as it is) and

then use charcoal after the round to deal with yeast die offs?

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> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: khieken

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> > You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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> > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> > Any suggestions?

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> > Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: khieken

===>This is not an unusual reaction, we've had kids who have gotten irritable

on round, lots of them. It just takes a little figuring out as to how to make

them and you more comfortable. If she's metal toxic, there is no more gentle

approach than the one you are using.

Thanks. We have used activated charcoal and she swallows the capsules like a

pro, and it usually does help to calm her down. It's just that sometimes the

dosing is tricky - like, I want to use it *now*, but have to wait a while!

Is this an unusual reaction, and is it a signal that maybe this is not the

right protocol for us?

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> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: khieken

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> > You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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She is 9 yo and 70 lbs, and no, not really strong enough to " take me " yet

Things have somewhat calmed down today after upping the frequency to 2.5 hrs. A

big " thank you " to all of you who helped me through this today.

So, I'm guessing I should expect Monday morning, after our last dose on round,

to be pretty bad? Just want to prepare...

And, it sounds like things should get better after several rounds?

Thanks again.

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> > > I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not,

please do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the

day or 2 hours even.

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> > > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is

just miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone -

it's just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> > > Any suggestions?

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> > > Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

Not chelating yet but close - maybe a dumb question but I'm a little confused

about this message - does ALA kill yeast or cause yeast?

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> > > I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not,

please do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the

day or 2 hours even.

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> > > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is

just miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone -

it's just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> > > Any suggestions?

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> > > Thanks.

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Hi

is probably right. My son needed more frequent dosing for a while. We

did 2.5 hours during the day and 3 at night.He also needed to eat small meals

more frequently, healthy snacks and lots of liquids. Once we figured it out we

saw a huge difference. I still tend to try to do his dosing like this but he

doesn't seem to need it like before. Is she doing DMSA also? Some find side

effects lessen when both ALA and DMSA are used. This is true for our son also.

Hope this helps and things smooth out for her. This is the best thing we have

done for our son.

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> > I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not,

please do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the

day or 2 hours even.

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> > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is just

miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone - it's

just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> > Any suggestions?

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> > Thanks.

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I don't know if this will help, but we give our boys Activated Charcoal once/day

when they are on round.

The get ALA at 3 AM, 7 AM, 10 AM, 1 PM, 4 PM, 7 PM, AC 9 PM, and ALA again at 11

PM. That way, it's in 2 hours after the ALA dose and 2 hours before the 11 PM

dose. I figured the more time you can give between AC and ALA, the better and

the night dosing allows for that. i use an infant medicine plunger/syringe and

give it to them in their sleep.

Kari

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> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: khieken

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> > > > You can try increasing the yeast protocol as another poster said, but

irritability is more associated with yeast die off, not yeast, and I'm doubting

that will do much, but still worth a try.

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Yes, ALA has impact on blood sugar - it's being put into most of the

blood sugar balancing combination supplements, and used alone for type 2

diabetics. I've had one type 2 diabetic tell me it's the only thing that

will bring his blood sugar down - much better than Metformin etc - 300

mg doses at a time.

It's really strange to see the wide range of some people doing well on

large irregular doses of ALA, and other people having to work quite hard

to find out the best way to use it.

Gail

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> > > I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If

not, please do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours

during the day or 2 hours even.

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> > > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter

is just miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at

everyone - it's just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose

before abandoning this altogether.

> > > Any suggestions?

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> > > Thanks.

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I wanted to try ALA alone, as we are doing this without a doctor, and I didn't

want to get into the hassle of getting a script for DMSA (it's not

over-the-counter, correct?)

I think low blood sugar probably played some part in this too. I will try to

give her food more frequently.

The end of the day was so much better than the beginning. I'm hoping it stays

that way for tomorrow too.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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> > > I'm assuming you are using the 3/4 hour protocol with the Ala. If not,

please do. You can also try dosing more frequently, every 2.5 hours during the

day or 2 hours even.

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> > > We started ALA yesterday afternoon at 1/8mg per lb and my daughter is

just miserable this morning - in a really rotten mood, ranting at everyone -

it's just awful. I'm guessing I should cut down the dose before abandoning this

altogether.

> > > Any suggestions?

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