Re: twice weekly chelation

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I have two toxic children and a toxic self. I am now dealing with mercury in the

brain from years of amalgams for myself and it is disrupting the HPA

axis...causing adrenal/thyroid and hormone dysfunction. I have also had it cause

depression. Many children who are considered normal are not manifesting the

brain symptoms of Hg until pre-teen years.

Mercury in the brain manifested in my daughter as depression, mood swings,

anxiety, vision problems, and tantrums....completely non autistic symptoms. She

began having anxiety and meltdowns around age 4, and by the time she was 8 it

was horrible. I figured out what was going on by age 10 and tested her hair and

she met counting rules for deranged mineral transport for mercury toxicity.

She also came up autoimmune hypothyroid. There's no doubt to me that mercury

left in the brain is a problem. At some point, some day, it will be a problem if

it's there.

I also can't say tantrums are entirely normal. I have a 2 1/2 year unvaccinated

niece who does not throw tantrums. She will argue with you if she disagrees and

tell you no. She may cry if told no, but she does not throw herself on the

floor, screaming and kicking and melting into hysteria as my son used to do

before we began his chelation and adrenal support. She will sulk and go off

angry and give you dirty looks, but none of those " tantrums " we have all seen

children do in a store where the child is an out of control screaming mess. My

son's tantrums...there was nothing you could do but watch until he was done.

He'd meltdown over simple things. It was not until he received adrenal support

and began chelation that these tantrums went away. Mercury is the only metal

that affects the adrenals. If one were displaying symptoms of adrenal problems

as meltdowns....mercury is there somewhere.

Sadly, there is no test to measure brain mercury, other than taking ala. It will

create side effects if the mercury is there.

Jan

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> > > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

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> > > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

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> > > > > Andy

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> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

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> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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From: rhondagatewood84

===>And so for clarification could you describe what you mean by the word

" recovered " ? This is the hardest part as I find many use the word to talk about

improvement, which is remarkable, but quite different from recovery. I actually

read someone post one time that their child was " recovered " except he was

nonverbal.

Again, I don't think the meltdowns are out of the " normal " range for a three

year old...I've seen worse from the other children. But, I am always open to

suggestions. Otherwise, I wouldn't have gotten this far with my son.

Please tell me , is there an accurate test I could do prior to

administering the ALA and one after treatment so I might compare results?

I appreciate all information thrown my way...truly, other parents have helped

me most.

Rhonda

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> > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > >

> > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > >

> > > Andy

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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To add to the meltdowns, my asd son will throw himself in a uncontrollable

tantrum on the floor to something like " ok, lets go upstairs now " . anything

that changes what he thought in his mind as to what we were doing now, even

with a lot of pre-warnings " ok, we are going upstairs in 5 minutes " it can

be too much for him to handle on bad days. My NT daughter has NEVER done

this, but I am sure she has some metals due to allergies and eczema.. so I

agree completely with Jan on this.

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On Behalf Of Jan

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:31 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: twice weekly chelation

I have two toxic children and a toxic self. I am now dealing with mercury in

the brain from years of amalgams for myself and it is disrupting the HPA

axis...causing adrenal/thyroid and hormone dysfunction. I have also had it

cause depression. Many children who are considered normal are not

manifesting the brain symptoms of Hg until pre-teen years.

Mercury in the brain manifested in my daughter as depression, mood swings,

anxiety, vision problems, and tantrums....completely non autistic symptoms.

She began having anxiety and meltdowns around age 4, and by the time she was

8 it was horrible. I figured out what was going on by age 10 and tested her

hair and she met counting rules for deranged mineral transport for mercury

toxicity.

She also came up autoimmune hypothyroid. There's no doubt to me that mercury

left in the brain is a problem. At some point, some day, it will be a

problem if it's there.

I also can't say tantrums are entirely normal. I have a 2 1/2 year

unvaccinated niece who does not throw tantrums. She will argue with you if

she disagrees and tell you no. She may cry if told no, but she does not

throw herself on the floor, screaming and kicking and melting into hysteria

as my son used to do before we began his chelation and adrenal support. She

will sulk and go off angry and give you dirty looks, but none of those

" tantrums " we have all seen children do in a store where the child is an out

of control screaming mess. My son's tantrums...there was nothing you could

do but watch until he was done. He'd meltdown over simple things. It was not

until he received adrenal support and began chelation that these tantrums

went away. Mercury is the only metal that affects the adrenals. If one were

displaying symptoms of adrenal problems as meltdowns....mercury is there

somewhere.

Sadly, there is no test to measure brain mercury, other than taking ala. It

will create side effects if the mercury is there.

Jan

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> > > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > > > >

> > > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a

day? Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > > >

> > > > > Andy

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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We do suppository chelation with my son due to his gut issues. Can you do the AC

protocol with forms other than oral? I don't think a suppository every 3-4

hours will be tolerable for my son.

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> > > > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

> indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a

> day? Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Andy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

> Children

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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You can do transdermal as well

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On Behalf Of Kelley

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:19 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: twice weekly chelation

We do suppository chelation with my son due to his gut issues. Can you do

the AC protocol with forms other than oral? I don't think a suppository

every 3-4 hours will be tolerable for my son.

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> > > > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

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> > > > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special

diets,

> indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a

> day? Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Andy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing

Our

> Children

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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Well, I think her MD said they must have misdiagnosed her son with Autism

because he doesn't have it now and you either 'have Autism or you don't'.

Sounds like he passes as a typically developing 3 yr old right now.

I'd take that! At age 3 there are a lot of behaviors that can be deemed

typical, but they won't go away in they typical time frame of normal

development. I guess that would be my concern, but only time will tell.

I know you didn't ask me... but I thought I'd chime in. Big surprise.

P

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> > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > > >

> > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > >

> > > > Andy

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > > >

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Rhonda - I am glad that you are open to the concept that an absence of an autism

dx may not be the end of the process for you, that toxicity issues may still be

lurking - whether it is manifested in tantrums or whatever else. My son was

able to tolerate relatively high doses (with the AC definition of high) of dmsa

fairly soon. We chelated with the top end dose Andy recommends with dmsa with

no problem. However, when we introduced ALA - it was a whole different story.

We could not use more than 1 -2 mg of ALA for quite a while, it is powerful

stuff. The dmsa brought down his considerable body burden, but the ALA was

getting at the brain Hg. Your child was fortunate to have cognitive abilities

apparently restored with the dmsa alone, but rest assured that Hg did cross the

BBB, perhaps significantly less than it did in my child and others here, but it

is there. Order up a Doctor's Data Hair Elements Test - you can order it

yourself from Direct Labs. Do the test, and post the results here, and see if

your child meets the counting rules or still otherwise has deranged mineral

transport. This will tell the tale.

And when trying the ALA, if indicated, tread wearily and on the AC protocol. As

I said his ability to tolerate high dose dmsa does not mean he will tolerate the

ALA so readily. We did UTMs using dmsa - and there was Hg and lead etc in our

son's urine. But curiously enough, once we added ALA - after the amounts seemed

to subside with the DMSA - strangely enough on one test he was dumping huge

amounts of lead in his urine along with cadmium I think. ALA is powerful stuff,

particularly in tandem with dmsa in my son it seems; moreover, it moves metals

out through the bowel - so the urine test essentially does not have too much

meaning alone, once you use ALA. So try not to put so much store in this. Our

DAN! asked why we were so intent on using ALA - DAN! does not emphasize it all -

and some as our doc, did not even recommend we use it at all, which is sad

because it is necessary for full recovery.

One last thought, I know it is human nature to want to scream your child's

recovery from an autism dx from the roof tops. Heck, I sure would. But think of

it like those Craig commercials - where they flash a star's 100 lb weight

loss or something in 6 months - " results not typical " as a disclaimer. You need

to bear this in mind - and here we are not talking about simple weight loss, but

children's lives can hang in the balance. So while you had a good result, and

perhaps you know of others who did as well, bear in mind there are just as many,

and many more with the complete opposite result on the protocol you describe.

You started early, and your child's toxicity level may not be that of others

here, who had many more exposures much earlier. So, when you share your story,

you need to qualify it with the full facts of your child's case. Otherwise

there are those who will jump into something which can be quite dangerous to

their child, in hopes of a similar quick and almost miraculous recovery from

autism for their child, before considering all the facts.

Anyway, enough said on this point. Again, congrats on the rapid progress, but

do do the hair test, and make sure you do not have more work ahead to do.

Irene

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> > > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > > > >

> > > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > > >

> > > > > Andy

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > > > >

> > > >

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In my experience, the tantrums are much related to OCD. If I disrupt one of my

son's OCD processes (his repetitive doing something that takes him out of his

pain or whatever), he tends to have tantrums. I am certain some of their OCD is

unseen, as in, obsessing in their personal thoughts.

ALA brought on a lot of OCD for my son, which now makes me wonder if that was

from the mercury coming out. Choline/Inositol helped with the symptoms. I

wonder if ALA helped with his OCD and impulsivity, because it has much, much

improved and occurs very rarely now...it is hard to gauge because I was doing a

lot of other things at the time too.

Come to think of it, the impulsivity is one thing that two of my friends' kids

with autism (who haven't chelated) have problems with that diet and supplements

alone have really done nothing for.

I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this topic.

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> > > > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

> indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a

> day? Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Andy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

> Children

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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Yeast, if this is your gut issue, is caused by metals traveling through the gut

after chelated. This will happen no matter how you get the chelation agent into

the blood stream. Oral would be the best, but you can do Transdermal.

You can make your own TD ALA by mixing the proper dose with good hand lotion and

applying ever three hours during the day and four at night. The dosage is the

same as oral.

TJ

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From: Kelley <nicksmama517@...>

Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 8:18:50 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: twice weekly chelation

 

We do suppository chelation with my son due to his gut issues. Can you do the AC

protocol with forms other than oral? I don't think a suppository every 3-4 hours

will be tolerable for my son.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

> indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a

> day? Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Andy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/index. html

> > > > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

> Children

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.noamalga m.com/biological treatments. html

> > > > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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Probably the best answer to the question of recovered is this. My father said

this to me before he died and well I think he was the smartest man I ever knew.

Recovered from Autism would actually be " a lack of symptoms. " That being said

are they actually recovered or have we gotten them to a point where they have a

lack of symptoms to say they have Autism. I don't know about you all but the

damage to my son is pretty extensive and yes I do believe he can get better but

he will still have been Mercury Poisoned. He still most likely will have some

brain damage. It just will not be noticeable as he will have made new

connections to make up for the ones that are damaged.

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: rhondagatewood84

>

> ===>And so for clarification could you describe what you mean by the word

" recovered " ? This is the hardest part as I find many use the word to talk about

improvement, which is remarkable, but quite different from recovery. I actually

read someone post one time that their child was " recovered " except he was

nonverbal.

>

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I am not sure what brand you are using and I don't use mine but have them. I

saw the bad side effects and stopped. Mine are 375mg EDTA I am pretty sure that

would be unsafe every 3 hours.

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At 3 my son who had been normal has stopped speaking. A brillant Ped said " he

spoke before he will speek again " wish I could see that idoit today. Totally

missed that my son was regressing into Autism. Did not tell me to get speech or

do anything else.

>

> Well, I think her MD said they must have misdiagnosed her son with Autism

because he doesn't have it now and you either 'have Autism or you don't'.

Sounds like he passes as a typically developing 3 yr old right now.

>

> I'd take that! At age 3 there are a lot of behaviors that can be deemed

typical, but they won't go away in they typical time frame of normal

development. I guess that would be my concern, but only time will tell.

>

> I know you didn't ask me... but I thought I'd chime in. Big surprise.

>

> P

>

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > > >

> > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > >

> > > > Andy

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > > >

> > >

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