Re: twice weekly chelation

[Guest guest]

Yes, a lot of people have done this. This will make your son horribly,

permanently worse.

DMSA must be given according to its half-life to maintain blood-levels

and prevent the redistribution of heavy-metals, every 4 hours.

" Faith " should have nothing to do with chosing a healthcare

professional. Please do some research on the Cutler protocol and some

thinking on your own.

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

Kelley wrote:

>

>

> Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed twice

> weekly DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done this? I

> have a lot of faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone else has done

> this and what the results were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we

> are working on, that's why it's suppository.

>

> Thanks!

>

\

[Guest guest]

I agree. Please don't do this. Please read about the AC protocol and learn about

why it makes sense.

I've gone down the road you are looking at and it is not a good place.

TJ

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From: Ross <mrossgrp@...>

Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 12:12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] twice weekly chelation

 

Yes, a lot of people have done this. This will make your son horribly,

permanently worse.

DMSA must be given according to its half-life to maintain blood-levels

and prevent the redistribution of heavy-metals, every 4 hours.

" Faith " should have nothing to do with chosing a healthcare

professional. Please do some research on the Cutler protocol and some

thinking on your own.

http://onibasu. com/wiki/ Cutler_protocol

Kelley wrote:

>

>

> Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed twice

> weekly DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done this? I

> have a lot of faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone else has done

> this and what the results were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we

> are working on, that's why it's suppository.

>

> Thanks!

>

\

[Guest guest]

Please don't do this. Too many get worse using chelators this way. I'd lose

faith quickly. DMSA should be dosed every four hours, not twice a week. Please

read the Welcome to word document in the files section which

explains why this doctors protocol can cause harm and why dosing the chelators

on a low dose oral AC protocol won't. Not worth the gamble when we know there is

a safer way.

Jan

>

> Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed twice weekly

DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done this? I have a lot of

faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone else has done this and what the

results were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we are working on, that's why

it's suppository.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Run the other way. This kind of dosing schedule will push the mercury into his

brain. Please stick around here to learn about the Cutler protocol which the

safest, most effective way to chelate.

S S

twice weekly chelation

Posted by: " Kelley " nicksmama517@... nicksmama517

Tue Dec 8, 2009 12:00 pm (PST)

Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed twice weekly

DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done this? I have a lot of faith

in him, I'm just wondering if anyone else has done this and what the results

were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we are working on, that's why it's

suppository.

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

Rossignol recovered my son. This is the exact same protocol I used. If gut

issues became intense, I took a break. Otherwise, I stuck to the twice a week

regimen with great success.

FWIW,

Rhonda

>

> Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed twice weekly

DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done this? I have a lot of

faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone else has done this and what the

results were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we are working on, that's why

it's suppository.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

If your doing the ALA every 3 hours... can the DMSA be given every 3

hours with the ALA instead of the 4 hours?

On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jan wrote:

> Please don't do this. Too many get worse using chelators this way.

> I'd lose faith quickly. DMSA should be dosed every four hours, not

> twice a week. Please read the Welcome to word

> document in the files section which explains why this doctors

> protocol can cause harm and why dosing the chelators on a low dose

> oral AC protocol won't. Not worth the gamble when we know there is

> a safer way.

> Jan

>

>

> >

> > Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed

> twice weekly DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done

> this? I have a lot of faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone

> else has done this and what the results were.... He has a lot of

> gut issues that we are working on, that's why it's suppository.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, you can give DMSA every 3 hrs, with the ALA

> > >

> > > Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed

> > twice weekly DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done

> > this? I have a lot of faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone

> > else has done this and what the results were.... He has a lot of

> > gut issues that we are working on, that's why it's suppository.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I questioned my doctor about our 3/week DMSA chelation along with our other

supplements 7 days a weeks and this is his reply. Seems that there are more

ways to chelate that are successful than just the Cutler method.:

Thank you for the questions. They are certainly valid concerns, and I think by

us further discussing the science and biochemistry behind this, you will have a

far better understanding of how the therapies that we are utilizing work in

combination. Foremost, it should be noted that there are many ways to perform

chelation. If you just look at the different routes that are available to

perform chelation, you will note that there are 3 that are most commonly

employeed, those being intravenous, oral, and rectal/suppository. Chelation is

successful in all 3 of these administration routes, but only the oral allows you

to adminsiter over a continuous time frame. This initially seems like a win win

situation to have a method to be able to administer so frequently. However,

what should be considered is that DMSA is non-discriminate when it comes to

pulling metals from the body and minerals, the cofactors that control a number

of metabolic processes in the body, are metal also. Therefore, as you are

removing the toxic metals from the body, you are also pulling out some of the

beneficial metals and shutting down various aspects of the metabolism and also

reducing the antioxidant capacity of the body through reduction in minerals such

as zinc, copper and selenium. This leads to a state of increased inflammation

which is usually when you have a negative reaction. The arguement for

administering DMSA so frequently is also based on the half life of the

substance. Half life is not the end all be all in terms of the effectiveness of

a substance. In fact, most medications are prescribed with little regard to

half life and still effective. The IV method of chelation is without question

the most effective, but it comes with its own list of problems, the most obvious

of which is that the patient has to undergo multiple needle sticks. This is not

optimal for a child, thus making the oral route a better option. The schedule

that on is on most mimics the effect you get from an IV. As to the issue

of redistribution, this comes down to 2 things. Are the detox pathways working

like they should be and are there other sulfur bearing compounds in the system

to bind any metals that may be available? We are currently optimining

on's detox pathways by addressing the status of the GI tract. Second we

are ensuring that he has adequate sulfur bearing compounds available by

supplementing with the N Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) concurrently. There are some

clinicians that perform chelation with no other substance but NAC. You will

also notice that I never recommend to discontinue the administration of NAC as I

do the DMSA. One of the things that is often not translated in a forum setting

are all the factors that play into the patients treatment. The DMSA is just one

aspect of the chelation. While it is important to mobilize the metals, it is

more important to make sure that those metals have somewhere to go once they are

mobilized. Generally when you see a reaction, it is as I have noted above an

increase in inflammation, often related to lack of ability to clear the metals.

One of the other things to consider is that on the ASD scale, I would not

characterize on as severe, and thus would not consider his health as

fragile as some. This does not mean that his case will not be handled with the

utmost care, it just means that with all of the factors that are being

considered and with the approach that we are taking, I don't anticipate any

complications, especially not on the order of those that were mentioned. Two

things to consider when selected therapies are whether or not the therapy is

scientifically sound and if the application is time tested. Certainly the

approach that is being utilized adheres to both of those criteria.

> >

> > Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed twice weekly

DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done this? I have a lot of

faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone else has done this and what the

results were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we are working on, that's why

it's suppository.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I questioned my doctor about our 3/week DMSA chelation along with our other

supplements 7 days a weeks and this is his reply. Seems that there are more

ways to chelate that are successful than just the Cutler method.:

>

> Thank you for the questions. They are certainly valid concerns, and I think

by us further discussing the science and biochemistry behind this, you will have

a far better understanding of how the therapies that we are utilizing work in

combination. Foremost, it should be noted that there are many

wrong

>ways to perform chelation.

that usually result in a horribly negative outcome.

There is only one RIGHT way to do it, which is to follow the constraints

dictated by the laws of nature - give the chelators adequately frequently. This

general requirement for using ANY medication is spelled out in innumerable

medical textbooks.

Actually you can make 'many' protocols following that constraint, but it is the

necessary one if you want a reasonable hope of your child getting better.

> If you just look at the different routes that are available to perform

chelation, you will note that there are 3 that are most commonly employeed,

those being intravenous, oral, and rectal/suppository.

I guess I SHOULD have started out with a chant about the doctor practicing

medicine without a clue, etc. - transdermal is certainly more popular than

suppositories, and for children than intravenous. Also some doctors do give the

chelators by intramuscular injection, at least in adults, though the outcomes

from this are about the worst available.

>Chelation is successful in all 3 of these administration routes,

when the necessary constraints are adhered to, which is for practical reasons

impossible to do with IV chelation (it requires hospitalization and an IV

infusion pump) so the typical outcomes you get are like those described at

www.dmpsbackfire.com - want your kid to turn out that way? See this doctor, he

can do it for you and charge a ton of money in the process.

>but only the oral allows you to adminsiter over a continuous time frame.

Or transdermal.

>This initially seems like a win win situation to have a method to be able to

administer so frequently. However, what should be considered is that DMSA is

non-discriminate when it comes to pulling metals from the body

I see he's one of those liberal arts majors who didn't take enough chemistry.

EDTA is nondiscriminatory. DMSA (and DMPS and ALA) are in fact very strongly

discriminatory for the heavier metals versus the lighter (physiologically

useful) metals. This is because they bind through the sulfurs rather than

through oxygens.

>and minerals, the cofactors that control a number of metabolic processes in the

body, are metal also.

Which are not preferentially chelated by DMSA, DMPS or ALA, unlike EDTA.

>Therefore, as you are removing the toxic metals from the body, you are also

pulling out some of the beneficial metals

This does not occur.

> and shutting down various aspects of the metabolism

this also does not occur.

>and also reducing the antioxidant capacity of the body

This also does not occur. In fact, all of the sulfhydryl chelators are in and of

themselves great antioxidants, and ALA is especially well known for this.

>through reduction in minerals such as zinc, copper and selenium.

The body levels of these are not significantly reduced by DMSA or DMPS, and in

fact ALA reduces the excretion of zinc and copper (mildly) so it actually

increases their levels in the body.

> This leads to a state of increased inflammation which is usually when you have

a negative reaction.

Nope. The negative reactions are caused by incompetent doctors like this guy

prescribing inappropriate and harmful protocols.

> The arguement for administering DMSA so frequently is also based on the half

life of the substance. Half life is not the end all be all in terms of the

effectiveness of a substance. In fact, most medications are prescribed with

little regard to half life

This is incorrect and does indicate this doctor does not actually know anything

about medicine and should not be practicing it.

Most medications are prescribed based on their kinetics (half life is the

relevant term for first order kinetics) and their therapeutic window. This is

why some medications are once a day, some twice a day, some 3 times a day, the

occasional one can be once a week (as with one of the Prozac formulations), etc.

The relevant kinetic information is generally in the drug information in the

prescribing handbooks and in the package insert. It's there because the FDA and

doctors who know something about medicine realize it is I M P O R T A N T ! ! !

>and still effective.

Generally when the drug is prescribed without regards to its kinetics it is

ineffective. That's why a lot of effort is put into studying their kinetics and

it is given in the package inserts etc.

>The IV method of chelation is without question the most effective,

at making people horribly permanently worse. It is completely ineffective at

actually getting them any better than they'd be if they didn't do it.

> but it comes with its own list of problems, the most obvious of which is that

the patient has to undergo multiple needle sticks.

I'd say ending up as messed up as the people on www.dmpsbackfire.com - or flat

out dead - is a lot worse than getting stuck with a needle!

>This is not optimal for a child, thus making the oral route a better option.

The schedule that on is on most mimics the effect you get from an IV.

Nice. Let's take a way to give the chelator that COULD be done nicely and

safely and make it as dangerous as possible!

> As to the issue of redistribution, this comes down to 2 things. Are the detox

pathways working like they should be and are there other sulfur bearing

compounds in the system to bind any metals that may be available?

These are irrelevant factors and anyone who knew anything at all about the

chelation and metabolism of heavy metals would realize that.

> We are currently optimining on's detox pathways by addressing the status

of the GI tract.

This is a non sequitur.

>Second we are ensuring that he has adequate sulfur bearing compounds available

by supplementing with the N Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) concurrently.

Which is inappropriate since about half of people actually get a lot worse from

it.

Also your body has hundreds of grams of the equivalent of NAC in it, a gram or

two in a pill isn't going to effectively grab the metals from your body.

> There are some clinicians that perform chelation with no other substance but

NAC.

No there aren't since NAC isn't a chelator. However there ARE some physicians

so clueless that they THINK NAC is a chelator (apparently they can't count high

enough to tell the difference between ONE thiol group and TWO thiol groups) so

they say stupid things like this.

>You will also notice that I never recommend to discontinue the administration

of NAC as I do the DMSA. One of the things that is often not translated in a

forum setting are all the factors that play into the patients treatment. The

DMSA is just one aspect of the chelation. While it is important to mobilize the

metals, it is more important to make sure that those metals have somewhere to go

once they are mobilized.

They do. Out in the urine or bile. The body and the chelators take care of

this, you don't need to do anything special.

>Generally when you see a reaction, it is

It is because you are seeing an incompetent fool with a license to play doctor

with your kid.

>as I have noted above an increase in inflammation, often related to lack of

ability to clear the metals. One of the other things to consider is that on the

ASD scale, I would not characterize on as severe, and thus would not

consider his health as fragile as some.

I REALLY don't see how this follows!

The kid is severely ill, so he isn't really sick?

Is this the doctor's actual statement or a typo?

> This does not mean that his case will not be handled with the utmost care,

If it was being handled with care the doctor would learn enough to know what he

is doing before chelating your kid. Apparently your kid is severe enough that

it doesn't matter to the doctor if he prescribes helpful or harmful therapy.

> it just means that with all of the factors that are being considered and with

the approach that we are taking, I don't anticipate any complications,

Incompetent fools never do.

Then when the complications happen they are nowhere to be found to help you sort

it out, or they do something else random (and expensive) that usually doesn't

work.

>especially not on the order of those that were mentioned.

He must not have mentioned worsening of symptoms, motor neuron damage,

psychosis, etc. as problems that might occur then.

> Two things to consider when selected therapies are whether or not the therapy

is scientifically sound

Correct. What this guy is saying is not scientifically sound.

>and if the application is time tested.

Correct. Half life dosing has been getting people well via chelation for over a

decade, and with other drugs has been helping them for hundreds of years. E. g.

amoxocillin is 3 times a day due to its half life and therapeutic window.

>Certainly the approach that is being utilized adheres to both of those

criteria.

It does not.

It is an incompetent approach.

Andy

> > > He prescribed twice weekly DMSA/Glutathione suppositories.

This is an inappropriate and harmful protocol that should never be used.

> > > Has anyone else done this?

Unfortunately, yes, many have.

> > > I have a lot of faith in him,

It is misplaced.

> > > I'm just wondering if anyone else has done this and what the results

were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we are working on, that's why it's

suppository.

The suppositories don't help with the gut issues. The DMSA in the tummy isn't

the problem, the effect of the DMSA on his neutrophils after it gets into his

bloodstream is the problem.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

>

You will find the details of how to chelate properly on page 237 and following

of my Hair Test Interpretation book

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

> Rossignol recovered my son.

As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

Andy

http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. I admit because he was on a no dye/no preservative/no sugar/no

additive/no casein/no gluten/no soy diet for 13 months, I allow him to partake

in doughnuts, pizza, ice cream, etc. Ironically, after months of strict diet,

once I saw his behavior approaching NT, I let him eat these things that are bad

for anyone.

I must admit, I never saw reaction during his toxicity days to gluten, casein,

or soy, but I without a doubt saw reactions to dyes, preservatives, sugars (even

natural) and additives (even if they were g/c/s free products). He would go

from NT to autistic within minutes of consumption. This no longer happens.

I do give him a multivitamin every night, no different from my other children.

If I could identify any residual symptoms I would say he melts down sometimes,

but no moreso than any of the boys in his NT preK 3 class. No one knows of his

previous diagnsosis.

In fact, I took him to a new pediatrician who doesn't require I adhere to a

vaccine schedule. I tried to explain our medical history with my big 3 ring

notebook in hand. The doctor looked at my boy and said " Well either you have

autism or you don't...and he doesn't, so it must've been a misdiagnosis. " That

statement made me so sad for the parents that are searching for legitimate

answers.

I know chelation isn't the answer to all autism. But it has helped many,

including us. And I know the desperation of a parent who is searching for

answers, only to be told by traditional doctors there is no hope.

I just want to give back what was given me.

And this is why I respect what you do also, Andy.

I feel the least I can do is share my story.

If you'd like to speak with me further, feel free to contact me through email.

RhondaGatewood @ aol. com (no spaces)

Rhonda

>

> > Rossignol recovered my son.

>

> As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

>

> Andy

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

I am going to back you up a bit here. I put my then 19 month old on the GFCF

diet and he completely stopped regressing overnight (regressed at 18 mos). We

started to see improvements immediately. I know those diet restrictions saved

my son from a more severe Autism diagnosis. At 25 months we were given a 'no

Autism' diagnosis from 2 physicians and my husband then petitioned to stop the

diet. Over the next year my son failed to progress or develop language, and

slowly developed anxiety and some ASD behaviors. We got the formal Autism

diagnosis at 3.5 yrs.

I know in my gut that I could have healed my son had I stuck with dietary

restrictions and started chelating at that young age of 19-24 months. I think I

would have been able to tell your story.

Early intervention, very early intervention, might be the difference in your

case. Perhaps it allows for recovery from a protocol that Andy and others know

is so dangerous to most? Afterall, I'll bet when a person has environmental

exposure to mercury and they chelate them shortly after exposure they don't use

the Cutler protocol, but they get a 'recovered' patient. Maybe the

mercury/lead/etc didn't have enough time to disrupt enough physiology so that

just getting it out by any means is good enough?

I know Autism is much more than mercury, but we are talking about heavy metal

chelation right now.

Just thinking. I'm sure I've opened the door for a few 'you are an idiot'

comments! Soon I'll know if I should regret hitting the send button...

Pam

> >

> > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> >

> > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

Yes, we have all heard the study suggesting early chelation provides the most

significant results...and I suppose that's why parents from the autism world

were so intrusive with their comments toward me to " chelate now! " At first I

thought they were a bunch of " wackos " and I treated them as such. Recently, I

wrote several emails thanking them for their contribution to ours son's

recovery. I'm certain I offended them at times. I thought the heavy

metal/autism link was an urban legend. And there are plenty of parents (even

with ASD children), doctors, nurses, journalists, etc. that will tell you ANY

chelation is dangerous and crazy. I'm just so thankful those recovered parents

grabbed me and gave me their 2 cents.

How do you ever repay such a deed?

Rhonda

> > >

> > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > >

> > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I don't think you are an idiot! I think that we are all stuck in this big maze

called autism and we are trying to find the way out the best way we can for our

kids and our own sanity. My son will be 5 yo the 15th and I'm watching him

running around, crossing his eyes and grinding his teeth, very hyper and very

OCD ...the worst I have ever seen him. I'm trying to reach out to people on this

list but no one will even comment. Sometimes it pisses me off to be on this list

because of that...a simple I DON " T KNOW but Good Luck would be good enough but I

can't even get that. Most of us are here for guidance, looking for answers and

support for the sake of our children. The doctors don't know so we look to each

other and try different things that worked for one another. I agree with the AC

protocol and I will be continuing it soon. We don't need to bash one another but

support and encourage one another.. That's what I think. Janet

[ ] Re: twice weekly chelation

Rhonda,

I am going to back you up a bit here. I put my then 19 month old on the GFCF

diet and he completely stopped regressing overnight (regressed at 18 mos). We

started to see improvements immediately. I know those diet restrictions saved

my son from a more severe Autism diagnosis. At 25 months we were given a 'no

Autism' diagnosis from 2 physicians and my husband then petitioned to stop the

diet. Over the next year my son failed to progress or develop language, and

slowly developed anxiety and some ASD behaviors. We got the formal Autism

diagnosis at 3.5 yrs.

I know in my gut that I could have healed my son had I stuck with dietary

restrictions and started chelating at that young age of 19-24 months. I think I

would have been able to tell your story.

Early intervention, very early intervention, might be the difference in your

case. Perhaps it allows for recovery from a protocol that Andy and others know

is so dangerous to most? Afterall, I'll bet when a person has environmental

exposure to mercury and they chelate them shortly after exposure they don't use

the Cutler protocol, but they get a 'recovered' patient. Maybe the

mercury/lead/etc didn't have enough time to disrupt enough physiology so that

just getting it out by any means is good enough?

I know Autism is much more than mercury, but we are talking about heavy metal

chelation right now.

Just thinking. I'm sure I've opened the door for a few 'you are an idiot'

comments! Soon I'll know if I should regret hitting the send button...

Pam

> >

> > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> >

> > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

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> > Andy

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> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

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> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

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> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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Oh, I chose that 'idiot' word because it was used in a reply to me several years

ago... person turned out to be a friend in the long run. Just some funny

memories.

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indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

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oh well, I've stuck myself out there now LOL

[ ] Re: twice weekly chelation

Oh, I chose that 'idiot' word because it was used in a reply to me several years

ago... person turned out to be a friend in the long run. Just some funny

memories.

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> > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

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> > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

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> > > Andy

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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The melt downs could be a warning flag that he has mercury somewhere in his HPA

axis (hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenal) which could lead to lots of problems in

the future including chronic pain and fatigue.

I am an adult chelating myself. I have been reading chelation archives for

years and years, mostly the adult groups. I can't just read this discussion

without saying something to warn parents that the kids who are not chelated

properly are likely going to end up with some kind of problems down the road.

The range of possibilities for problems is large, ranging from MS, Alzeimer's,

Parkinsons, chronic pain, chronic fatigue, allergies, asthma, and the list goes

on and on. It is really simple for the parent to test now.

If you really want to test whether or not chelation is finished, try chelating

him with ALA according to Andy's protocol and watch for side effects during the

rounds and after. If he is completely chelated there should be absolutely no

side effects as you increase the dose of ALA from 1/8 mg/lb up to 1 mg/lb

(taking doses every 3 h, around the clock, for at least 3 days).

J

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> > > Rossignol recovered my son.

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> > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children

> >

> > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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And then there are some of us who are here because common sense tells us Andy

Cutler's way is the right way. I really can't see a person who has educated

themselves on the matter coming to a different conclusion. In my opinion, there

is no point in discussing other protocols.

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> > > Hi, we see Dr.Rossignol for my 3.5 year old son. He prescribed twice

weekly DMSA/Glutathione suppositories. Has anyone else done this? I have a lot

of faith in him, I'm just wondering if anyone else has done this and what the

results were.... He has a lot of gut issues that we are working on, that's why

it's suppository.

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> > > Thanks!

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Rhonda- I know you and others perceived my questions and concerns over your

promoting something other than the AC protocol as a hostile attack- I did not

intend it as so. I am genuinely happy for you that your child lost his dx this

way. I reiterate that he is an exception and this was a risky road to take. I

just wanted parents here to proceed with caution and not abandon a safe, proven

protocol for one with substantial risk just on the basis of your story without

getting all the facts.

Listen to what is saying here- she makes several salient points. You did

not use ALA- which chelates brain Hg. Your child may not have autism anymore-

but may well not be truly metal free. You started early which helped, and got

lucky the protocol did no harm. But it may not have finished the job. She is

right that the Hg may still be in the CNS, mucking with the HPA etc, which

problems may not manifest themselves until a later date, perhaps even years. I

started my son at 38 mos- and he had many Hg containing shots including many flu

shots. Dmsa was helpful, but ALA is nothing short of magic for him and for me as

a chelating adult- ala clears my mind and makes other bodily processes work

better. The test/experiment she mentions with using Ala on the AC schedule in

the doses indicated would be the acid test if you will. Something to seriously

consider. You want to be sure you finish the job and not leave your child

partially toxic.

Irene

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> > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

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> > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

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> > > Andy

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

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> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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In a message dated 09/12/2009 16:47:09 GMT Standard Time, iflow97@...

writes:

Your child was fortunate to have cognitive abilities apparently restored

with the dmsa alone, but rest assured that Hg did cross the BBB

>>My friends son went from non-verbal struggling with ABC, 123 to being

able to do Quadratic equations in his head, communicating brilliantly with

FCT with just DMSA, AC protocol only They started chelation when he was 7

I think about 2 years with 7 on 7 off schedule.

EP can't find a test that he can't do, when she asked if he had always been

able to read and comprehend, he said " no, not until chelation, chelation

made my brain feel better, I want more chelation! "

Its been a couple of years since chelation but they are going to start

again soon. He is a wonderful lad, has CP & ASD hence the FCT.

So cognitive recovery is possible with DMSA alone, I am sure this lad has

much more ability and I'm excited to see what the next batch of chelation

does, he desperately wants to talk fluently, get himself a girlfriend and be

in love

Mandi in UK

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Thank you Irene. I appreciate the advice. And it is my intention to check my

son's metals throughout his development. This will be another way to do it...

I think after our experience I will always be checking his overall

health...don't know even with recovery if the worry ever completely leaves you.

Rhonda

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> > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

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> > > > Andy

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> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

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> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

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> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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Yes, makes it much easier to keep track of doses.

S S

Re: twice weekly chelation

Posted by: " diamond12345@... " diamond12345@...

diamond12345@...

Tue Dec 8, 2009 3:31 pm (PST)

If your doing the ALA every 3 hours... can the DMSA be given every 3

hours with the ALA instead of the 4 hours?

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For my son those behaviors tend to indicate that we need to treat for parasites.

And/or he would need zinc and possibly a magnesium increase with those

behaviors. We would need to double check the diet for phenols. OCD symptoms - I

use OLE. Lately for anxiety based behaviors we've had good results with

homeopathy and Bach flower.

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> > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > >

> > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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Again, I don't think the meltdowns are out of the " normal " range for a three

year old...I've seen worse from the other children. But, I am always open to

suggestions. Otherwise, I wouldn't have gotten this far with my son.

Please tell me , is there an accurate test I could do prior to

administering the ALA and one after treatment so I might compare results?

I appreciate all information thrown my way...truly, other parents have helped me

most.

Rhonda

> > >

> > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > >

> > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > >

> > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

> > >

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> > > > > Rossignol recovered my son.

> > > >

> > > > As in he is completely normal now, no vitamins, no special diets,

indistinguishable from his peers even if he eats at Mc's 3 times a day?

Which is something normal kids can do and be fine?

> > > >

> > > > Andy

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html

> > > > Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> > > > Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html

> > > > Nourishing Hope for Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our

Children

> > > >

> > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html

> > > > Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD

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