Re:fingernail vertical ridges and pitting

[Guest guest]

Yes, my practitioner is incredible. She also has autistic children so she really

knows how to work with children on the spectrum as well. She's great with my DD.

> >

> > I really appreciate you sharing your notes as well. It reminds me of how I

slowly came to accept that NAET was a real therapy. My NT DS had been diagnosed

with a peanut allergy. Simply touching a peanut would cause his skin to swell

and itch. The epi pen was our constant companion. After a long series of

treatments for numerous other allergans the NAET practitioner began to address

his peanut allergy. NAET cleared his peanute allergy to the point that he could

hold a peanut in his mouth. So here I am again. But this time, I won't be so

stubborn. : )

> >

> > How does the coaster you mentioned compare to NAET? I'm unfamiliar with it.

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm in NY, is she around here?

> > >

> > > I really appreciate you sharing your notes as well. It reminds me of how I

slowly came to accept that NAET was a real therapy. My NT DS had been diagnosed

with a peanut allergy. Simply touching a peanut would cause his skin to swell

and itch. The epi pen was our constant companion. After a long series of

treatments for numerous other allergans the NAET practitioner began to address

his peanut allergy. NAET cleared his peanute allergy to the point that he could

hold a peanut in his mouth. So here I am again. But this time, I won't be so

stubborn. : )

> > >

> > > How does the coaster you mentioned compare to NAET? I'm unfamiliar with

it.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance!

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

No, she's in land. She might be able to recommend someone. Here's her

contact info . . .

http://www.natures-alternatives.net/about.nxg

Or perhaps someone on the list might have someone they'd be comfortable

recommending. I found her using the NAET website. Their search engine allows you

to find someone who specializes in autism or other areas . . .

http://www.naet.com/subscribers/drnamerica.html

>

> I'm in NY, is she around here?

[Guest guest]

This is who we use, and is somewhat closer to NY.

http://www.delvalacupuncture.com/

She's in Bucks County PA and has an office in Philly, too. Has been treating our

son (and my whole family) for various things. On and off as things crop up. A

few years ago, with NAET, I got off of 3 Rx allergy meds for a mold allergy

after treatment. Changed my life.

NAET, along with chelation, has created great gains for my son.

She has experience working with autistic kids.

> >

> > I'm in NY, is she around here?

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What are the choices of people with Lyme and food sensitivities though? I

think I have researched this before and the treatment for lyme is long-term

antibiotics, am I right?

------->I sure hope not....not an expert..just a tired mom with 3 young ones and

a bunch of older ones with autism or on the spectrum..and a sick husband from

antibiotics and other dr's fiascos....but am hoping that there is a better

way....

It's a hard decision especially when the tests for lyme don't seem very

reliable...destroy everything with antibiotics or keep the small amount

beneficial bacteria you do have in your gut. Using the antibiotics for a long

time really scares me, I don't think it's easy to repopulate gut bacteria,

certainly it's more complicated than just taking probiotics.

--------> I so heartily agree!!! My son and husband had long term antibiotics

and it is amazing all the stuff that has to be done to try and get the gut back

to normal....yeast, leaky gut, malabsorption just to name a few....and it is a

long slow process rebuilding what was a beautiful system that Jesus Christ

created for us.

Ronni

[Guest guest]

Following up on my own post -

One of our practitioners says this is overall malabsorption - which goes along

with yeast/other GI issues. So I guess it is probably something that chelation

will recover.

> >

> > I asked about nail ridges while chelating my son three years ago. Tami

Duncan weighed in and said that is a major sign of lyme disease.

>

> I don't believe it.

>

> >At first I was like no way, my video gamer son hasn't left the house in four

years, he can't have lyme disease. Come to find out there is a chronic form of

lyme that kids can have from birth if the mom had it. I had it but was

asymptomatic. Anyway, long story short. We are testing our kids for lyme through

IGENEX (the best testing lab)

>

> or at least one with a high enough false positive rate that everyone seems to

have Lyme disease even though most don't.

>

> >and the first test did come out positive. So, for ridges, don't discount

testing for lyme.

>

> but use a normal mainstream insurance covered lab. If THAT shows Lyme

disease, worry about it. Otherwise not,

>

> >The test is $280 or so. It is important to know because Andy Cutler

chelation alone would not be enough of a treatment to do if your child had lyme

disease. You have to kill the lyme too. There is a site for lyme induced autism,

the LIA foundation. There is a group called

BorrielaMultipleInfectionsandAutism. It is a group just like this one.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am the original poster.

FWIW, my son HAS had IGENEX testing. ALL was NEGATIVE.

> >

> > Hi, are you Axe?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> >>>>>> The other neat thing I found out was about the KPU genetic defect which

might be cureable through energy therapy for childhood trauma,>>>>>>

>

> It is caused by mercury poisoning.

It might be caused by mercury poisoning or genetics, but the point is that

resolving childhood emotional traumas is raising the bodies energy to allow it

to heal itself. I know this from our experience with our daughter with uveitis,

whose chi normalized after we did rebirthing on her for birth trauma. So, I am

going to pursue energy healing for my children with KPU as well as chelation and

zinc loading.

>

> >>>>> They just zinc load.>>>>>>

>

> This is just supressing symptoms without removing the root cause(mercury)

Yes, well no one is arguing this point, from my notes he said that the reason

the pfeiffers were not as successful was because they do not chelate while they

zinc load.. That is what the context of this note meant, talking about the

pfeiffers and " they just zinc load " this note meant, that you have to do both

together simultaniously for the treatment for KPU to work.

> >>>>> Which they say is very difficult to do on your own and that it takes a

doctor.>>>>>>>

>

> No it isn't difficult and you do not need a doctor.

Well clearly when my recovered son became verbal, he said that he hated me

because of the pills and it was too hard on him. He didn't say " thank you mom

for giving me my life back " . Isn't that odd? Also he practically killed himself

binge drinking in college because he knew he was going downhill. Then, he moved

home to resume chelation, but he was as excited as a cancer patient going to

begin chemo, so I don't understand how you can say it is not difficult. Have you

gone through chelation yourself????????

In our experience chelating and recovering one child and attempting to chelate

the others in our family, chelation has been very difficult to do, it was hard

on the body, it was exausting, it was so worth it, but it was difficult to do.

Plus, if you add the KPU into it, there are a lot of things to know about.

>

> >>>>> I discovered the wonderful Dr. Klinghardt and I would love nothing more

than to fly my son out to see him>>>>>>

>

> Plesase don't do this. He is very expensive but he isn't a real doctor. He is

a MD but he isn't practicing real medicine anymore.

> His therapies are ineffctive and have made many people horribly permanently

worse.

Why would you care if I choose to take my child to Dr. K? He is not expensive,

he is $400. He is a real doctor. How can you say that he is not a real doctor

anymore? I mean Andy was a real doctor never if you want to get technical, he is

a scientist. Andy's book says to double zinc for depression. Zinc loading isn't

a part of Andy's protocol. I used muscle testing and it told me to put five

zincs a day in my childs pill minder, so I did. This was during chelation around

round 13-14 and just before he had huge miraculous gains. Check onibasu under

" huge miraculous gains " . Then you find out someone has backed up science behind

combining zinc loading and chelation. I always like to back up muscle testing

with science. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

I saw and heard Dr. K's speech and am studying the powerpoint and what dr. K

has put together is real medicine, and he should win an award for discovering

this stuff and putting it all together. A room full of doctors and parents gave

him a standing ovation after this speech. I think I am smart enough to pick and

choose which therapies of his might be dangerous and the avoid the ones that

will make us permenantly worse. We've survived Dr. Rae. Which specific therapies

made people permenantly worse? Let me know and we will avoid those. We can keep

the baby, throw out the bathwater so to speak. But, there is definately a baby

in there. If you think energy work and positive thinking isn't real medicine

then fine, keep your supplements. When codex comes to pass we will be eating our

organic carrots and rising above it all.

>

> >>>>>> Chlorella and metal binding, yes >>>>>

>

> Never use this. It can make people horribly worse.

I was just writing down what he said here, I don't necessarily agree with him on

this, and I am hoping to continue with the chelation method that has worked for

us in the past. My son did take chlorophyll during AC chelation and it did help

his caskety bacterial smell.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I really appreciate you sharing your notes as well. It reminds me of how I

slowly came to accept that NAET was a real therapy. My NT DS had been diagnosed

with a peanut allergy. Simply touching a peanut would cause his skin to swell

and itch. The epi pen was our constant companion. After a long series of

treatments for numerous other allergans the NAET practitioner began to address

his peanut allergy. NAET cleared his peanute allergy to the point that he could

hold a peanut in his mouth. So here I am again. But this time, I won't be so

stubborn. : )

>

> How does the coaster you mentioned compare to NAET? I'm unfamiliar with it.

>

The coaster was sold to me by DR and it was also sold near the omnimed booth,

the www.gainsworth.com probably has them. It seemed like temporary NAET, you can

put your food on it for fifteen minutes and then be temporarily not allergic to

it and DR told me that no one knows how it works, but yes, it worked exactly

like NAET but it is like a pocket thing that eliminates food allergies for long

enough to eat foods. I acually don't know what all it does yet, cause it is a

new toy.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am the original poster.

> FWIW, my son HAS had IGENEX testing. ALL was NEGATIVE.

>

, there are children who get false negatives until they do three weeks of

rizol oil. This site explains why. Our daughter got a positive without rizol

oil. http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/howtogettested.html

But it is great to know that not everyone who takes the test is positive like

some would say:)

[Guest guest]

> I am the original poster.

> FWIW, my son HAS had IGENEX testing. ALL was NEGATIVE.

>

Sounds like that ends the need to debate how many Lyme disease patients can

dance on the head of a pin.

Andy

<a href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html " >Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

Treatment</a >

<a href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html " >Hair Test Interpretation:

Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

<a href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html " >Nourishing Hope for

Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

<a href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html " >Biological

Treatments for Autism and PDD</a >

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>. Which specific therapies made people permenantly worse? >>>>>>

Avoid everything that has to do with heavy metal detox.

I do not know if his other therapies are safe. Dr Klinghardt is a very

charismatic person but a horrible doctor and scientist.

I know a person who did his natural way of " detox " and suffers from mild chronic

psychosis now.

Andy says many people who do his " detox " end up like this.

A few people may have even killed themselves after following Klinghardt's

advice.

[Guest guest]

, please tell me how you muscle test. How did you learn to do it, a

book/doctor? I want to learn to do this. I believe this would be very helpful

for my child.

> >

> > >>>>>> The other neat thing I found out was about the KPU genetic defect

which might be cureable through energy therapy for childhood trauma,>>>>>>

> >

> > It is caused by mercury poisoning.

>

>

> It might be caused by mercury poisoning or genetics, but the point is that

resolving childhood emotional traumas is raising the bodies energy to allow it

to heal itself. I know this from our experience with our daughter with uveitis,

whose chi normalized after we did rebirthing on her for birth trauma. So, I am

going to pursue energy healing for my children with KPU as well as chelation and

zinc loading.

> >

> > >>>>> They just zinc load.>>>>>>

> >

> > This is just supressing symptoms without removing the root cause(mercury)

>

> Yes, well no one is arguing this point, from my notes he said that the reason

the pfeiffers were not as successful was because they do not chelate while they

zinc load.. That is what the context of this note meant, talking about the

pfeiffers and " they just zinc load " this note meant, that you have to do both

together simultaniously for the treatment for KPU to work.

> > >>>>> Which they say is very difficult to do on your own and that it takes a

doctor.>>>>>>>

> >

> > No it isn't difficult and you do not need a doctor.

>

> Well clearly when my recovered son became verbal, he said that he hated me

because of the pills and it was too hard on him. He didn't say " thank you mom

for giving me my life back " . Isn't that odd? Also he practically killed himself

binge drinking in college because he knew he was going downhill. Then, he moved

home to resume chelation, but he was as excited as a cancer patient going to

begin chemo, so I don't understand how you can say it is not difficult. Have you

gone through chelation yourself????????

>

> In our experience chelating and recovering one child and attempting to chelate

the others in our family, chelation has been very difficult to do, it was hard

on the body, it was exausting, it was so worth it, but it was difficult to do.

Plus, if you add the KPU into it, there are a lot of things to know about.

> >

> > >>>>> I discovered the wonderful Dr. Klinghardt and I would love nothing

more than to fly my son out to see him>>>>>>

> >

> > Plesase don't do this. He is very expensive but he isn't a real doctor. He

is a MD but he isn't practicing real medicine anymore.

> > His therapies are ineffctive and have made many people horribly permanently

worse.

>

>

> Why would you care if I choose to take my child to Dr. K? He is not expensive,

he is $400. He is a real doctor. How can you say that he is not a real doctor

anymore? I mean Andy was a real doctor never if you want to get technical, he is

a scientist. Andy's book says to double zinc for depression. Zinc loading isn't

a part of Andy's protocol. I used muscle testing and it told me to put five

zincs a day in my childs pill minder, so I did. This was during chelation around

round 13-14 and just before he had huge miraculous gains. Check onibasu under

" huge miraculous gains " . Then you find out someone has backed up science behind

combining zinc loading and chelation. I always like to back up muscle testing

with science. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

>

> I saw and heard Dr. K's speech and am studying the powerpoint and what dr. K

has put together is real medicine, and he should win an award for discovering

this stuff and putting it all together. A room full of doctors and parents gave

him a standing ovation after this speech. I think I am smart enough to pick and

choose which therapies of his might be dangerous and the avoid the ones that

will make us permenantly worse. We've survived Dr. Rae. Which specific therapies

made people permenantly worse? Let me know and we will avoid those. We can keep

the baby, throw out the bathwater so to speak. But, there is definately a baby

in there. If you think energy work and positive thinking isn't real medicine

then fine, keep your supplements. When codex comes to pass we will be eating our

organic carrots and rising above it all.

> >

> > >>>>>> Chlorella and metal binding, yes >>>>>

> >

> > Never use this. It can make people horribly worse.

>

>

> I was just writing down what he said here, I don't necessarily agree with him

on this, and I am hoping to continue with the chelation method that has worked

for us in the past. My son did take chlorophyll during AC chelation and it did

help his caskety bacterial smell.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I remind myself frequently that there is a message in all this. God

didn't put us on this earth to find ways to extend our lives, and that is the

exact motive of modern medicine - to avoid all disease and live as long as

possible. A verse comes to mind, " He who tries to save his life will lose

it... " I respect the intricacies of the human body and the fact that I will

never understand it's workings but I believe God has led me to Andy Cutler and

has led many others so that we and our children can live happier, less painful

lives. He has had mercy on my family, for our ignorance and misplaced trust in

modern medicine.

> >

> > What are the choices of people with Lyme and food sensitivities though? I

think I have researched this before and the treatment for lyme is long-term

antibiotics, am I right?

>

> ------->I sure hope not....not an expert..just a tired mom with 3 young ones

and a bunch of older ones with autism or on the spectrum..and a sick husband

from antibiotics and other dr's fiascos....but am hoping that there is a better

way....

>

> It's a hard decision especially when the tests for lyme don't seem very

reliable...destroy everything with antibiotics or keep the small amount

beneficial bacteria you do have in your gut. Using the antibiotics for a long

time really scares me, I don't think it's easy to repopulate gut bacteria,

certainly it's more complicated than just taking probiotics.

>

> --------> I so heartily agree!!! My son and husband had long term antibiotics

and it is amazing all the stuff that has to be done to try and get the gut back

to normal....yeast, leaky gut, malabsorption just to name a few....and it is a

long slow process rebuilding what was a beautiful system that Jesus Christ

created for us.

>

> Ronni

>

[Guest guest]

Not , but here is a video which demonstrates one way to muscle test . . .

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual & videoid=26860645

>

> , please tell me how you muscle test. How did you learn to do it, a

book/doctor? I want to learn to do this. I believe this would be very helpful

for my child.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, I just watched it. I appreciate your help. So with vitamins and

foods, how would you test them for a child who may/may not know their names?

When I give my son supplements, I always tell him the name, but I don't know if

he would remember for these purposes. I also don't know if he could do this.

Is there a way I can surrogate this method for him? (like sit him between my

legs and do it or something?)

> >

> > , please tell me how you muscle test. How did you learn to do it, a

book/doctor? I want to learn to do this. I believe this would be very helpful

for my child.

>

[Guest guest]

I think that the information provides will be way more helpful, but

here's my contribution. My NAET practitioner used my husband as a surrogate

because she felt that if the session went too long, my NT son would because

fatigued and she'd get a false reading. As he got older, she no longer used my

husband. With my DD who is on the spectrum, she always used a surrogate. I don't

think it was because they didn't know the name of the supplement or food, but I

could be wrong.

At any rate, towards the end of this article, there is a description of how a

parent used one of her NT children as a surrogate.

http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/energytesting.htm

>

> Thank you, I just watched it. I appreciate your help. So with vitamins and

foods, how would you test them for a child who may/may not know their names?

When I give my son supplements, I always tell him the name, but I don't know if

he would remember for these purposes. I also don't know if he could do this.

Is there a way I can surrogate this method for him? (like sit him between my

legs and do it or something?)

>

[Guest guest]

Well then my question is, why is the premier chelating expert in the country not

attending major conventions talking to the practitioners about " His Version " of

proper chelation. You don't have to slam everyone else to present your

viewpoint, just say what you believe.

I am sure some people who have read amalgam illness and have been mercury toxic

have killed themselves too. Mercury toxic people having psychosis? This is not

unheard of.

The conference gave a lot of answers for people who don't respond to ac

chelation, or who can't tolerate supplements. I don't agree with the other detox

methods necessarily, but we aren't doing ourselves any favors by isolating

ourselves from the rest of the autism and lymes communities, and I was shocked

at some of the accusations going around about AC chelation like " no one was

recovering on it " . Are you kidding Me?

We shouldn't judge doctors who see extremely sick neruotoxic people who have

brain inflammation and are being attacked by microbes for having patients who

kill themselves, don't get better, or get worse.

Doctors like this are the last stop for some people after they have done

everything else.

You know whose detox intrigued me though, Garry Gordons ala, zeolite and

glutathione. OK I know glutathione is hard on the liver, but so was ac

chelation. for my daughter with uveitis, I am drawn to use his ala based stuff

every three hours, on the half life.....the zeolite was what she really needs to

control ammonia while she detoxes.

[Guest guest]

, I forgot to mention why we needed a surrogate for my DD. She wouldn't

sit still. You can't have effective testing for someone who is running laps in

the exam room. My husband used one arm/hand to keep her in one place and the

other for the practitioner to test. This is just my experience. Another quick

point is that I was allergic to many things they were testing. I was never a

good surrogate.

In , " orelindel " <whatmattersmost@...> wrote:

>

> I think that the information provides will be way more helpful, but

here's my contribution. My NAET practitioner used my husband as a surrogate

because she felt that if the session went too long, my NT son would because

fatigued and she'd get a false reading. As he got older, she no longer used my

husband. With my DD who is on the spectrum, she always used a surrogate. I don't

think it was because they didn't know the name of the supplement or food, but I

could be wrong.

>

> At any rate, towards the end of this article, there is a description of how a

parent used one of her NT children as a surrogate.

>

> http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/energytesting.htm

>

>

> >

> > Thank you, I just watched it. I appreciate your help. So with vitamins and

foods, how would you test them for a child who may/may not know their names?

When I give my son supplements, I always tell him the name, but I don't know if

he would remember for these purposes. I also don't know if he could do this.

Is there a way I can surrogate this method for him? (like sit him between my

legs and do it or something?)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, those things are very helpful.

> > >

> > > Thank you, I just watched it. I appreciate your help. So with vitamins

and foods, how would you test them for a child who may/may not know their names?

When I give my son supplements, I always tell him the name, but I don't know if

he would remember for these purposes. I also don't know if he could do this.

Is there a way I can surrogate this method for him? (like sit him between my

legs and do it or something?)

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The book " Your Body Doesn't Lie " is one. My NAET taught me the basics. There are

many ways to use it for yourself. Google " muscle testing " - I just did and found

tons. YouTube has demo's as well. We have also used it very successfully, though

many say it is malarky. To each his own. Live and let live.

> > >

> > > >>>>>> The other neat thing I found out was about the KPU genetic defect

which might be cureable through energy therapy for childhood trauma,>>>>>>

> > >

> > > It is caused by mercury poisoning.

> >

> >

> > It might be caused by mercury poisoning or genetics, but the point is that

resolving childhood emotional traumas is raising the bodies energy to allow it

to heal itself. I know this from our experience with our daughter with uveitis,

whose chi normalized after we did rebirthing on her for birth trauma. So, I am

going to pursue energy healing for my children with KPU as well as chelation and

zinc loading.

> > >

> > > >>>>> They just zinc load.>>>>>>

> > >

> > > This is just supressing symptoms without removing the root cause(mercury)

> >

> > Yes, well no one is arguing this point, from my notes he said that the

reason the pfeiffers were not as successful was because they do not chelate

while they zinc load.. That is what the context of this note meant, talking

about the pfeiffers and " they just zinc load " this note meant, that you have to

do both together simultaniously for the treatment for KPU to work.

> > > >>>>> Which they say is very difficult to do on your own and that it takes

a doctor.>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > No it isn't difficult and you do not need a doctor.

> >

> > Well clearly when my recovered son became verbal, he said that he hated me

because of the pills and it was too hard on him. He didn't say " thank you mom

for giving me my life back " . Isn't that odd? Also he practically killed himself

binge drinking in college because he knew he was going downhill. Then, he moved

home to resume chelation, but he was as excited as a cancer patient going to

begin chemo, so I don't understand how you can say it is not difficult. Have you

gone through chelation yourself????????

> >

> > In our experience chelating and recovering one child and attempting to

chelate the others in our family, chelation has been very difficult to do, it

was hard on the body, it was exausting, it was so worth it, but it was difficult

to do. Plus, if you add the KPU into it, there are a lot of things to know

about.

> > >

> > > >>>>> I discovered the wonderful Dr. Klinghardt and I would love nothing

more than to fly my son out to see him>>>>>>

> > >

> > > Plesase don't do this. He is very expensive but he isn't a real doctor. He

is a MD but he isn't practicing real medicine anymore.

> > > His therapies are ineffctive and have made many people horribly

permanently worse.

> >

> >

> > Why would you care if I choose to take my child to Dr. K? He is not

expensive, he is $400. He is a real doctor. How can you say that he is not a

real doctor anymore? I mean Andy was a real doctor never if you want to get

technical, he is a scientist. Andy's book says to double zinc for depression.

Zinc loading isn't a part of Andy's protocol. I used muscle testing and it told

me to put five zincs a day in my childs pill minder, so I did. This was during

chelation around round 13-14 and just before he had huge miraculous gains. Check

onibasu under " huge miraculous gains " . Then you find out someone has backed up

science behind combining zinc loading and chelation. I always like to back up

muscle testing with science. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

> >

> > I saw and heard Dr. K's speech and am studying the powerpoint and what dr.

K has put together is real medicine, and he should win an award for discovering

this stuff and putting it all together. A room full of doctors and parents gave

him a standing ovation after this speech. I think I am smart enough to pick and

choose which therapies of his might be dangerous and the avoid the ones that

will make us permenantly worse. We've survived Dr. Rae. Which specific therapies

made people permenantly worse? Let me know and we will avoid those. We can keep

the baby, throw out the bathwater so to speak. But, there is definately a baby

in there. If you think energy work and positive thinking isn't real medicine

then fine, keep your supplements. When codex comes to pass we will be eating our

organic carrots and rising above it all.

> > >

> > > >>>>>> Chlorella and metal binding, yes >>>>>

> > >

> > > Never use this. It can make people horribly worse.

> >

> >

> > I was just writing down what he said here, I don't necessarily agree with

him on this, and I am hoping to continue with the chelation method that has

worked for us in the past. My son did take chlorophyll during AC chelation and

it did help his caskety bacterial smell.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I believe Dr. Usman was at the conference; do you mind posting any notes from

her presentation? I think Usman is amazing.

Thanks.

Michele

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> > You do not need Andy's approval if you believe your child has Lyme and you

> > need to treat it.

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> > Also, you may discuss it all you like (as far as I know). Andy seemed to

> > indicate that he is done discussing it but you don't have to be.

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> > After you treat, maybe you can post about your experience, if it helped

> > and if the nail ridges disappeared.

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[Guest guest]

>>>>>> I am sure some people who have read amalgam illness and have been mercury

toxic have killed themselves too.>>>>>>

I meant they killed themselves with improper chelation. They died because of

massive metal redistribution to the organs.

>>><<Mercury toxic people having psychosis? This is not unheard of>>>>>>

In that case the psychosis was caused by the detox. It was caused by slow

redistribution to the brain caused by high sulfur intake.

>>>>>We shouldn't judge doctors who see extremely sick neruotoxic people who

have brain inflammation and are being attacked by microbes for having patients

who kill themselves, don't get better, or get worse.>>>>>>

I think i didn't make it clear. Klinghardt recommends mercury detox programs

that have probably killed people.

He did DMPS IV for a very long time, high dose DMSA every other day.

Andy said he he has a report about death from large amounts of high sulfur

food(chlorella) Klinghard's favorite detox agent.

>>>>zeolite>>>>>

Zeolite doesn't remove metals. It is as effective as water.

>>>>glutathione.>>>>>

glutathione doesn't detox.

[Guest guest]

I am not using zeolite as a chelator, I am using it as a ammonia mopper.

I never said glutathione detoxed, I would consider taking the Gordon

product because it contained ALA, ALA detoxes and zeolite absorbs ammonia.

Your preaching to the choir here. I chelate with AC. Oops so treatments Dr. R

or Dr. K or any doctor treating the sickest people sometimes are like guinnea

pig treatments. The most famous lyme doc in the country lives right by me and

her patientsn are in my lyme support group. You should hear them talk, they say

they are all guinnea pigs and there is a lot of experimenting going on in lyme

treatment. So sure, they might have killed people in the past. I gave my dughter

an ulcer but you don't see me whining.

[Guest guest]

>

> I am not using zeolite as a chelator, I am using it as a ammonia mopper.

>

> I never said glutathione detoxed, I would consider taking the Gordon

product because it contained ALA, ALA detoxes and zeolite absorbs ammonia.

Ummmm......... excuse me for being a chemist, but why would anyone think

zeolites would absorb ammonia under physiologically relevant conditions?

Andy

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