Re: Virastop causes more yeast, why?

[Guest guest]

>

> Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can cause more

> yeast?

Viral die off tends to cause a LOT of yeast. So if Virastop is causing yeast,

that means you are addressing a viral issue.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Because it's an anti viral and as the viral walls die and are shed, yeast can

feed on it. And yeast apparently thrives on dead viral cells.

When giving Virastop also give Candidase....works very well together.

>

> Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can cause more

> yeast?

>

> thanks

>

> --

> Priscilla

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My understanding of yeast is they feed on simple carbo, sugar

etc...therefore it's good to restrict on carbo and fruit intake while on

anti-yeast diet. I assume viral cells are made of protein and since proteins

don't cause troube in an anti-yeast diet, why would it cause problem with

yeast die-off?

Sorry, I still don't quite understand....

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:50 AM, maggie_orourke

<maggie_orourke@...>wrote:

>

>

> Because it's an anti viral and as the viral walls die and are shed, yeast

> can feed on it. And yeast apparently thrives on dead viral cells.

>

> When giving Virastop also give Candidase....works very well together.

>

>

>

> >

> > Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can cause more

> > yeast?

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > --

> > Priscilla

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Priscilla,

I asked a similar question months ago and the best answer that I could find is

that antivirals can cause a shift in immune function. A properly functioning

immune system has two parts, called Th1 & Th2 that operate in a balance to ward

off/control viruses, yeast, bacteria, parasites, etc. In many (most?) of our

kids, these two parts of the immune system are knocked out of whack and they

don't work in the right balance. I read somewhere that antivirals can shift the

immune system from Th1 (which controls yeast among other things) to Th2,

allowing even more freedom for yeast to grow.

Like mentioned, in the presence of metals, which also promote yeast, the

added antiviral's effect on yeast can cause it to get totally out of control.

My daughter couldn't touch antivirals 1 year ago without becoming a mess

behaviorally & physically. Virastop is particularly effective according to many

who have used it but for my DD, she was impossible to live with while taking

even small quantities.

I've started her again on anti-virals and I'm really encourage now with what I

am seeing: gains in maturity and connectedness (yipee!). So my experience is

like reports, the chelation so far has lowered the metals and reduced

the amount of metals-associated yeast. The antivirals now are probably still

contributing to yeast production, but it's more manageable.

HTH,

>

> Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can cause more

> yeast?

>

> thanks

>

> --

> Priscilla

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

My daughter couldn't touch antivirals 1 year ago without becoming a mess

behaviorally & physically. Virastop is particularly effective according to many

who have used it but for my DD, she was impossible to live with while taking

even small quantities.

I've started her again on anti-virals and I'm really encourage now with what I

am seeing: gains in maturity and connectedness (yipee!).

===>, fwiw, this was always what we saw on successful antiviral

treatment; independence and clarity. Virastop was very helpful here, also.

And in my mind treating the viruses too soon is pointless as most all

antivirals do not kill the viruses, they only disrupt them so that the immune

system can keep them in check.

Treating viruses too soon before the metal load is down which impacts the

immune system, makes it unlikely that the immune system is going to be able to

do it's job....to keep the viruses in check. So smarter to wait awhile.

So my experience is like reports, the chelation so far has lowered the

metals and reduced the amount of metals-associated yeast. The antivirals now are

probably still contributing to yeast production, but it's more manageable.

HTH,

>

> Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can cause more

> yeast?

>

> thanks

>

> --

> Priscilla

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your sharing.

So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding virastop

6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I wait longer?

Priscilla

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:29 AM, <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> My daughter couldn't touch antivirals 1 year ago without becoming a mess

> behaviorally & physically. Virastop is particularly effective according to

> many who have used it but for my DD, she was impossible to live with while

> taking even small quantities.

>

> I've started her again on anti-virals and I'm really encourage now with

> what I am seeing: gains in maturity and connectedness (yipee!).

>

> ===>, fwiw, this was always what we saw on successful antiviral

> treatment; independence and clarity. Virastop was very helpful here, also.

>

> And in my mind treating the viruses too soon is pointless as most all

> antivirals do not kill the viruses, they only disrupt them so that the

> immune system can keep them in check.

>

> Treating viruses too soon before the metal load is down which impacts the

> immune system, makes it unlikely that the immune system is going to be able

> to do it's job....to keep the viruses in check. So smarter to wait awhile.

>

>

>

> So my experience is like reports, the chelation so far has lowered

> the metals and reduced the amount of metals-associated yeast. The antivirals

> now are probably still contributing to yeast production, but it's more

> manageable.

>

> HTH,

>

>

>

> >

> > Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can cause more

> > yeast?

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > --

> > Priscilla

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Priscilla Tan

===>Conversely, I've also heard people say they wish they'd started viral

treatment sooner, but that was our experience, that it didn't do any good until

the metal load was reduced. There is no exact time...I would try antiviral

treatment first during the stall stage, when things stopped happening with the

chelation. This is trial and error time.

Thank you all for your sharing.

So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding virastop

6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I wait longer?

Priscilla

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:29 AM, <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> My daughter couldn't touch antivirals 1 year ago without becoming a mess

> behaviorally & physically. Virastop is particularly effective according to

> many who have used it but for my DD, she was impossible to live with while

> taking even small quantities.

>

> I've started her again on anti-virals and I'm really encourage now with

> what I am seeing: gains in maturity and connectedness (yipee!).

>

> ===>, fwiw, this was always what we saw on successful antiviral

> treatment; independence and clarity. Virastop was very helpful here, also.

>

> And in my mind treating the viruses too soon is pointless as most all

> antivirals do not kill the viruses, they only disrupt them so that the

> immune system can keep them in check.

>

> Treating viruses too soon before the metal load is down which impacts the

> immune system, makes it unlikely that the immune system is going to be able

> to do it's job....to keep the viruses in check. So smarter to wait awhile.

>

>

>

> So my experience is like reports, the chelation so far has lowered

> the metals and reduced the amount of metals-associated yeast. The antivirals

> now are probably still contributing to yeast production, but it's more

> manageable.

>

> HTH,

>

>

>

> >

> > Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can cause more

> > yeast?

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > --

> > Priscilla

>

>

[Guest guest]

We've never chelated and antivirals are a necessary part of our

lives. Without them, my son is a mess.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Jul 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, wrote:

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Priscilla Tan

>

> ===>Conversely, I've also heard people say they wish they'd started

> viral treatment sooner, but that was our experience, that it didn't

> do any good until the metal load was reduced. There is no exact

> time...I would try antiviral treatment first during the stall stage,

> when things stopped happening with the chelation. This is trial and

> error time.

>

>

>

> Thank you all for your sharing.

>

> So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> virastop

> 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I wait

> longer?

>

> Priscilla

>

> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:29 AM, <Ladyshrink111@...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> >

> > My daughter couldn't touch antivirals 1 year ago without becoming

> a mess

> > behaviorally & physically. Virastop is particularly effective

> according to

> > many who have used it but for my DD, she was impossible to live

> with while

> > taking even small quantities.

> >

> > I've started her again on anti-virals and I'm really encourage now

> with

> > what I am seeing: gains in maturity and connectedness (yipee!).

> >

> > ===>, fwiw, this was always what we saw on successful

> antiviral

> > treatment; independence and clarity. Virastop was very helpful

> here, also.

> >

> > And in my mind treating the viruses too soon is pointless as most

> all

> > antivirals do not kill the viruses, they only disrupt them so that

> the

> > immune system can keep them in check.

> >

> > Treating viruses too soon before the metal load is down which

> impacts the

> > immune system, makes it unlikely that the immune system is going

> to be able

> > to do it's job....to keep the viruses in check. So smarter to wait

> awhile.

> >

> >

> >

> > So my experience is like reports, the chelation so far has

> lowered

> > the metals and reduced the amount of metals-associated yeast. The

> antivirals

> > now are probably still contributing to yeast production, but it's

> more

> > manageable.

> >

> > HTH,

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can

> cause more

> > > yeast?

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > --

> > > Priscilla

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Cheryl Lowrance

===>Have you tested for heavy metals?

We've never chelated and antivirals are a necessary part of our

lives. Without them, my son is a mess.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Jul 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, wrote:

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Priscilla Tan

>

> ===>Conversely, I've also heard people say they wish they'd started

> viral treatment sooner, but that was our experience, that it didn't

> do any good until the metal load was reduced. There is no exact

> time...I would try antiviral treatment first during the stall stage,

> when things stopped happening with the chelation. This is trial and

> error time.

>

>

>

> Thank you all for your sharing.

>

> So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> virastop

> 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I wait

> longer?

>

> Priscilla

>

> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:29 AM, <Ladyshrink111@...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> >

> > My daughter couldn't touch antivirals 1 year ago without becoming

> a mess

> > behaviorally & physically. Virastop is particularly effective

> according to

> > many who have used it but for my DD, she was impossible to live

> with while

> > taking even small quantities.

> >

> > I've started her again on anti-virals and I'm really encourage now

> with

> > what I am seeing: gains in maturity and connectedness (yipee!).

> >

> > ===>, fwiw, this was always what we saw on successful

> antiviral

> > treatment; independence and clarity. Virastop was very helpful

> here, also.

> >

> > And in my mind treating the viruses too soon is pointless as most

> all

> > antivirals do not kill the viruses, they only disrupt them so that

> the

> > immune system can keep them in check.

> >

> > Treating viruses too soon before the metal load is down which

> impacts the

> > immune system, makes it unlikely that the immune system is going

> to be able

> > to do it's job....to keep the viruses in check. So smarter to wait

> awhile.

> >

> >

> >

> > So my experience is like reports, the chelation so far has

> lowered

> > the metals and reduced the amount of metals-associated yeast. The

> antivirals

> > now are probably still contributing to yeast production, but it's

> more

> > manageable.

> >

> > HTH,

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can

> cause more

> > > yeast?

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > --

> > > Priscilla

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Not yet. My son is nearly recovered and although I plan to test in

the next couple months, I don't know that it's a road we will go

down. Of course, I don't know that it's not, either! I do wish

that I had pulled it when I first started biomed, though. An original

baseline would've been nice.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Jul 3, 2009, at 9:26 PM, wrote:

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Cheryl Lowrance

>

> ===>Have you tested for heavy metals?

>

> We've never chelated and antivirals are a necessary part of our

> lives. Without them, my son is a mess.

>

> Cheryl

> ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

> ~@midian42~

>

> On Jul 3, 2009, at 6:13 PM, wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Priscilla Tan

> >

> > ===>Conversely, I've also heard people say they wish they'd started

> > viral treatment sooner, but that was our experience, that it didn't

> > do any good until the metal load was reduced. There is no exact

> > time...I would try antiviral treatment first during the stall stage,

> > when things stopped happening with the chelation. This is trial and

> > error time.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you all for your sharing.

> >

> > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > virastop

> > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I wait

> > longer?

> >

> > Priscilla

> >

> > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:29 AM, <Ladyshrink111@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > >

> > > My daughter couldn't touch antivirals 1 year ago without becoming

> > a mess

> > > behaviorally & physically. Virastop is particularly effective

> > according to

> > > many who have used it but for my DD, she was impossible to live

> > with while

> > > taking even small quantities.

> > >

> > > I've started her again on anti-virals and I'm really encourage now

> > with

> > > what I am seeing: gains in maturity and connectedness (yipee!).

> > >

> > > ===>, fwiw, this was always what we saw on successful

> > antiviral

> > > treatment; independence and clarity. Virastop was very helpful

> > here, also.

> > >

> > > And in my mind treating the viruses too soon is pointless as most

> > all

> > > antivirals do not kill the viruses, they only disrupt them so that

> > the

> > > immune system can keep them in check.

> > >

> > > Treating viruses too soon before the metal load is down which

> > impacts the

> > > immune system, makes it unlikely that the immune system is going

> > to be able

> > > to do it's job....to keep the viruses in check. So smarter to wait

> > awhile.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So my experience is like reports, the chelation so far has

> > lowered

> > > the metals and reduced the amount of metals-associated yeast. The

> > antivirals

> > > now are probably still contributing to yeast production, but it's

> > more

> > > manageable.

> > >

> > > HTH,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Can someone please help me understand why taking virastop can

> > cause more

> > > > yeast?

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Priscilla

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you all for your sharing.

>

> So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding virastop

> 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I wait longer?

I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to parents to

gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a particular treatment for

the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I knew she was a viral kid but giving

her any antivirals before reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have

had to use Rx antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give her Virastop,

we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will do a short-term antiviral

therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals and the army of natural antivirals. I'm

not sure if I'll do the Rx stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read

that the Rx & naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month

period to hopefully get rid of viruses.

Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the side-effects

and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time. Otherwise, it may be wiser

to hold off and try again later.

[Guest guest]

Just an FYI, Rx antivirals is *rarely* a short term therapy, chelation

or not. You also need to monitor titers and immune function the whole

time. And with Rx antivirals, you almost always need Rx antifungals

the entire time you are on them. I only know of a very select few

that didn't need Rx antifungals the entire time on antivirals. This

is due to the TH1/TH2 immune shift. One controls yeast while the

other controls the rest and with antivirals, you are switching to

" controlling the rest " so the ability to control yeast drops

dramatically. 3 months may not be long enough to even find the right

Rx antiviral that you need at the moment. I can't comment on naturals

so I have no idea if short term natural antivirals will work out.

Given the unrelenting nature of viruses, I can't imagine it would be

different, though.

I completely and totally agree that no matter what treatment you are

doing, you definitely need to weigh what's happening with what's worth

it. Certain things may be uncomfortable but nothing should ever be

outrageously crazy. We should never put our children through so much

discomfort that it's debilitating. If it's debilitating, it's not the

right thing to do.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Jul 3, 2009, at 10:36 PM, iam2l84t wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > Thank you all for your sharing.

> >

> > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> virastop

> > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> wait longer?

>

> I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> to hopefully get rid of viruses.

>

> Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Cheryl Lowrance

===>I can comment on natural antivirals with chelation. Ours had a negative

experience with Rx antivirals, couldn't take them as they caused extreme stomach

pain, a less common but not rare side effect of Valtrex. The naturals worked

just fine and she stopped responding to any antiviral with improved behavior.

Again, make sure you do both, reduce the metals and fight the viruses.

Mercury's impact on the immune system is very well-documented so if you have a

child with metal issues it's unlikely they will ever be able to fight the

viruses off on their own without getting the metal level down.

Just an FYI, Rx antivirals is *rarely* a short term therapy, chelation

or not. You also need to monitor titers and immune function the whole

time. And with Rx antivirals, you almost always need Rx antifungals

the entire time you are on them. I only know of a very select few

that didn't need Rx antifungals the entire time on antivirals. This

is due to the TH1/TH2 immune shift. One controls yeast while the

other controls the rest and with antivirals, you are switching to

" controlling the rest " so the ability to control yeast drops

dramatically. 3 months may not be long enough to even find the right

Rx antiviral that you need at the moment. I can't comment on naturals

so I have no idea if short term natural antivirals will work out.

Given the unrelenting nature of viruses, I can't imagine it would be

different, though.

I completely and totally agree that no matter what treatment you are

doing, you definitely need to weigh what's happening with what's worth

it. Certain things may be uncomfortable but nothing should ever be

outrageously crazy. We should never put our children through so much

discomfort that it's debilitating. If it's debilitating, it's not the

right thing to do.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Jul 3, 2009, at 10:36 PM, iam2l84t wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > Thank you all for your sharing.

> >

> > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> virastop

> > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> wait longer?

>

> I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> to hopefully get rid of viruses.

>

> Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe some parents use OLE, will using this have the same yeast problem?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Cheryl Lowrance

>

> ===>I can comment on natural antivirals with chelation. Ours had a negative

> experience with Rx antivirals, couldn't take them as they caused extreme

> stomach pain, a less common but not rare side effect of Valtrex. The

> naturals worked just fine and she stopped responding to any antiviral with

> improved behavior.

>

> Again, make sure you do both, reduce the metals and fight the viruses.

> Mercury's impact on the immune system is very well-documented so if you have

> a child with metal issues it's unlikely they will ever be able to fight the

> viruses off on their own without getting the metal level down.

>

>

>

> Just an FYI, Rx antivirals is *rarely* a short term therapy, chelation

> or not. You also need to monitor titers and immune function the whole

> time. And with Rx antivirals, you almost always need Rx antifungals

> the entire time you are on them. I only know of a very select few

> that didn't need Rx antifungals the entire time on antivirals. This

> is due to the TH1/TH2 immune shift. One controls yeast while the

> other controls the rest and with antivirals, you are switching to

> " controlling the rest " so the ability to control yeast drops

> dramatically. 3 months may not be long enough to even find the right

> Rx antiviral that you need at the moment. I can't comment on naturals

> so I have no idea if short term natural antivirals will work out.

> Given the unrelenting nature of viruses, I can't imagine it would be

> different, though.

>

> I completely and totally agree that no matter what treatment you are

> doing, you definitely need to weigh what's happening with what's worth

> it. Certain things may be uncomfortable but nothing should ever be

> outrageously crazy. We should never put our children through so much

> discomfort that it's debilitating. If it's debilitating, it's not the

> right thing to do.

>

> Cheryl

> ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

> ~@midian42~

>

> On Jul 3, 2009, at 10:36 PM, iam2l84t wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > >

> > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > virastop

> > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > wait longer?

> >

> > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> >

> > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Priscilla Tan

===>Again, individual. Some react with yeast, for others it can help yeast.

Really...trial and error.

I believe some parents use OLE, will using this have the same yeast problem?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Cheryl Lowrance

>

> ===>I can comment on natural antivirals with chelation. Ours had a negative

> experience with Rx antivirals, couldn't take them as they caused extreme

> stomach pain, a less common but not rare side effect of Valtrex. The

> naturals worked just fine and she stopped responding to any antiviral with

> improved behavior.

>

> Again, make sure you do both, reduce the metals and fight the viruses.

> Mercury's impact on the immune system is very well-documented so if you have

> a child with metal issues it's unlikely they will ever be able to fight the

> viruses off on their own without getting the metal level down.

>

>

>

> Just an FYI, Rx antivirals is *rarely* a short term therapy, chelation

> or not. You also need to monitor titers and immune function the whole

> time. And with Rx antivirals, you almost always need Rx antifungals

> the entire time you are on them. I only know of a very select few

> that didn't need Rx antifungals the entire time on antivirals. This

> is due to the TH1/TH2 immune shift. One controls yeast while the

> other controls the rest and with antivirals, you are switching to

> " controlling the rest " so the ability to control yeast drops

> dramatically. 3 months may not be long enough to even find the right

> Rx antiviral that you need at the moment. I can't comment on naturals

> so I have no idea if short term natural antivirals will work out.

> Given the unrelenting nature of viruses, I can't imagine it would be

> different, though.

>

> I completely and totally agree that no matter what treatment you are

> doing, you definitely need to weigh what's happening with what's worth

> it. Certain things may be uncomfortable but nothing should ever be

> outrageously crazy. We should never put our children through so much

> discomfort that it's debilitating. If it's debilitating, it's not the

> right thing to do.

>

> Cheryl

> ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

> ~@midian42~

>

> On Jul 3, 2009, at 10:36 PM, iam2l84t wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > >

> > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > virastop

> > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > wait longer?

> >

> > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> >

> > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to comment, that we have been using virastop almost from the onset

of chelation without too much of an overwhelming yeast issue. However, during a

stall we hit 6 months into chelation or so back in January, we added in natural

antivirals OLE, lysine and Enhansa (enhanced curcumin) for viral control. I

know many say that doing chelation and antivirals is too tough. And let me say

this, yes it most definitely is tough. Yes, it did increase yeast, probably for

the reasons elaborated upon. We were up to fairly high doses of the

antivirals, and inadvertantly gave super high doses of Enhansa for a while, when

the pharmacy sent too large a spoon for measuring by accident. We went through

a month or two of hell - with the worst behavior behavior we ever experienced,

terrible die off, tantruming etc, before we figured out the cause, and backed

down, and in fact had to stop all antivirals except virastop and lysine.

Interestingly, this seems to have precipitated some type of healing crisis or

something. We don't know if it was the antivirals in combo with reaching round

40, but suddenly our son needs almost no supps, he tolerates just the basics -

mostly minerals and a few vitamins (A,C,DE) EFAs, probiotics and enzymes, has

formed stools, and no longer has any behavior or adrenal issues. This was a

child who was up to 5 caps of ACE a day. His language and cognition still have

a long way to go, but the antivirals in combo with chelation seemed to have done

something. We may have to revisit the antivirals for sure at some point, but

for now, it has brought us to a good place. We are forging ahead with

chelation. It is a hard call about antivirals, and it varies with every child,

but as says, viruses must be addressed concomitantly with removal of

heavy metals.

Anyway, I just wanted to share our experience. We continue to use the virastop

, low dose a few caps a day- this is key for our son.

Irene

> > >

> > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > >

> > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > virastop

> > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > wait longer?

> >

> > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> >

> > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: iflow97

I just wanted to comment, that we have been using virastop almost from the

onset of chelation without too much of an overwhelming yeast issue. However,

during a stall we hit 6 months into chelation or so back in January, we added in

natural antivirals OLE, lysine and Enhansa (enhanced curcumin) for viral

control. I know many say that doing chelation and antivirals is too tough. And

let me say this, yes it most definitely is tough.

===>Every parent has to decide the when the severity of treatment is too

severe. Here, we were never in favor of making her uncomfortable, at all, for

any length of time, not even for improvement, as we think it is unnecessary.

The dans! unfortunately have set forth an attitude that children have to

suffer to get better by telling parents to ignore any negative behaviors or

telling people that negative behaviors are positive, an attitude I personally

find troubling. Ours has done very well without any visible healing crisis. No

spinning of the head or anything else.

This fact, in part, is what drew us to Andy's protocol. Not judging, just our

personal thought here.

Irene

> > >

> > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > >

> > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > virastop

> > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > wait longer?

> >

> > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> >

> > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

No need for a snide tone or nasty remarks about head spinning, . We did

not knowingly cause our child's healing crisis, you will note I stated that the

high dose protocol of Enhansa was inadvertent. We thought we were giving half

the dose we were. We were doing fairly low doses of antivirals - which still

were tough at times, but nothing major as long as the dose was adjusted

downward, much the way Andy recommends adjusting chelator doses based upon how

the child does. We did not have a DAN! pushing our buttons to do this. He, in

fact, like Andy is not a fan of antiviral therapy during chelation. This was

our choice.

Regardless, after killing lots of virus and who knows what else with the natural

antivirals, our son seems to have improved drastically in terms of his need for

supplements etc and his behavior. So a great deal of healing went on, and also

we completed almost 40 rounds, so lots of metals must have been moved out as

well. I would not recommend super high doses as a way to go; however,

antivirals and virastop enzymes, in my opinion, are well worth doing in moderate

doses along with chelation, and the yeast in our experience has been manageable

this way.

Also, as with chelators, every child's ability to tolerate antivirals is

different, some can tolerate higher doses than others, some can tolerate it with

chelation and others cannot. So one cannot speak authoritatively as to what is

advisable to do. I merely related our experience.

I just wanted to set the record straight on this.

Irene

> > > >

> > > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > > >

> > > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > > virastop

> > > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > > wait longer?

> > >

> > > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> > >

> > > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: iflow97

Also, as with chelators, every child's ability to tolerate antivirals is

different, some can tolerate higher doses than others, some can tolerate it with

chelation and others cannot.

===>If you read all of my responses to Priscilla, then you know I presented

all sides of the intro of antivirals including the rationale we used for

introducing them later and the rationale others used for introducing them

earlier.

So one cannot speak authoritatively as to what is advisable to do.

===>I can speak authoritatively as to what to do here and I did.

I merely related our experience.

===>Which is why I said.... " .......just a personal thought here. " This is an

opinion board, I gave mine. Take offense or don't....none was intended.

I just wanted to set the record straight on this.

Irene

> > > >

> > > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > > >

> > > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > > virastop

> > > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > > wait longer?

> > >

> > > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> > >

> > > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Apparently, your opinion counts as the only opinion. Thought Andy was the only

authority here. Good thing there are other folks here who voice their opinions

without feeling the necessity for personal attacks. I am sure offense was

intended, but I have decided not to take it.

Irene

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > > > virastop

> > > > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > > > wait longer?

> > > >

> > > > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > > > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > > > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > > > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > > > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > > > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > > > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > > > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > > > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > > > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > > > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > > > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > > > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> > > >

> > > > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > > > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > > > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> > > > Just an FYI, Rx antivirals is *rarely* a short term therapy, chelation

> > > > or not. You also need to monitor titers and immune function the whole

> > > > time.

I think this is where bad doctoring comes in.

" titers " is not used properly here. What is always monitored is IgG levels.

This is the immune globulin specific for some or other organism. As your body

handles the organism and your immune system gets better, this goes UP while the

levels of that organism go DOWN.

Not sure what the doc's mean by 'monitor immune function,' but I think it is

serial CBC's, hopefully with differentials.

There are a lot of things that push the white blood cell subsets around, if you

took a person in isolation and did a CBC every few days they'd still be all over

the place. Interpreting small changes in them is seldom meaningful. Very few

people look at immune competence panels (T, B and NK cell enumerations, etc.)

which are expensive and still not all that informative. Some parts of them such

as the CD4 to CD8 ratio do tend to stay the same over longer periods, so they

don't have to be (and it isn't appropriate to) order them often.

> > > > And with Rx antivirals, you almost always need Rx antifungals

> > > > the entire time you are on them.

Only with programs that make your kid sicker instead of better. E. g. the GFCF

diet as typically implemented gives everyone intractable yeast problems while

providing other benefits.

Competent practitioners in this area do eventually learn that the Rx antifungals

aren't very useful, the OTC ones work a lot better when prescribed properly.

Also most Rx antifungals are too toxic to be used continunously.

> > > > I only know of a very select few

> > > > that didn't need Rx antifungals the entire time on antivirals. This

> > > > is due to the TH1/TH2 immune shift.

Actually not.

> > > > One controls yeast while the

> > > > other controls the rest and with antivirals, you are switching to

> > > > " controlling the rest " so the ability to control yeast drops

> > > > dramatically.

The parts of the immune system that do these things are regulated independently.

They don't take energy or cells from each other. Any drop in the ability to

control yeast is due to other interventions that impair neutrophil number or

function.

> > > > 3 months may not be long enough to even find the right

> > > > Rx antiviral that you need at the moment. I can't comment on naturals

> > > > so I have no idea if short term natural antivirals will work out.

> > > > Given the unrelenting nature of viruses, I can't imagine it would be

> > > > different, though.

You are absolutely correct here. It takes a while. What you are doing is

suppressing the virii while the immune system recvovers, not from the virii but

from something else, until it is healthy enough to do the job itself.

> > > > I completely and totally agree that no matter what treatment you are

> > > > doing, you definitely need to weigh what's happening with what's worth

> > > > it. Certain things may be uncomfortable but nothing should ever be

> > > > outrageously crazy. We should never put our children through so much

> > > > discomfort that it's debilitating. If it's debilitating, it's not the

> > > > right thing to do.

Again we agree.

Hopefully you will prevail on some parents and DAN! doctors with this view.

Also if it is really unpleasant there is often another way to do it that is more

benign.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

I agree with and my personal thoughts are that the kids cannot handle a

lot of this stuff (like virastop, other supplements) because their guts are so

messed up already and this is the reason for the constant horrible yeast. It

doesn't mean the supplement is bad or that it is even acting on any viruses that

in turn causes yeast, it is JUST - in my humble opinion - that the gut cannot

tolerate it right now. This is why for my child, less - of everything: kinds of

foods, supplements - was better and why we ended up concentrating on healing

foods and things that would not irritate his gut during detox.

I researched the healing crisis too and this is what I believe about it. A

healing crisis should be a short-lived bout of fever or behavior followed by a

rash (perhaps). What I believe it is NOT, is frequent agitation, impulsiveness,

aggression, biting, head-banging, etc.

It took awhile for me to understand what was what, but now I can see it clearly

in my child. Healing crisis looks different than yeast, yeast looks different

than inflammation, etc.

The thing I mostly disagree about with people is yeast. I believe that during

chelation you have to do what you can to prevent and keep it in check, I don't

feel you have to destroy it with every yeast supplement available to mankind

(I'm not mocking anyone cause I tried that too, but now I know better). In

fact, that often makes their gut worse. Also, on breaks from chelation, yeast

has been completely avoidable for us if my son maintains a low sweet diet

without " allergens " .

That's my 2 cents if anyone cares

> > > >

> > > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > > >

> > > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > > virastop

> > > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > > wait longer?

> > >

> > > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> > >

> > > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We have been doing antivirals for a while now....seeing good results...we did 40

rounds and stalled and started more antiviral and started seeing results

again....yup yeast was a real issue....and nuttin seemed to get it under control

for a while....getting some of the viruses off and using a lot of immune

boosters, has seemed to make it more managable.

We have found that virastop works in a rather odd manner for us...instead of

killing the virus, it acts more like reducing the

uglies and making it more managable and less miserable....my kids usually showed

the symptoms of the virus instead of virus spots or something more benign. The

virastop or PRX in our case...seemed to ease the kids thru... The results are

pretty outstanding...learning ability has so increased and maturity...except for

one kiddo who seems to have a harder time with everything. We seem to be in a

stall in viruses and we will be starting ala chelation in the very near

future...we do seem to need an amazing supps...seems to increase as we go

along...instead of decreasing. But still seeing good results and mostly good

behaviors when the viruses are not ragin.

Ronni

>

> I agree with and my personal thoughts are that the kids cannot handle

a lot of this stuff (like virastop, other supplements) because their guts are so

messed up already and this is the reason for the constant horrible yeast. It

doesn't mean the supplement is bad or that it is even acting on any viruses that

in turn causes yeast, it is JUST - in my humble opinion - that the gut cannot

tolerate it right now. This is why for my child, less - of everything: kinds of

foods, supplements - was better and why we ended up concentrating on healing

foods and things that would not irritate his gut during detox.

>

> I researched the healing crisis too and this is what I believe about it. A

healing crisis should be a short-lived bout of fever or behavior followed by a

rash (perhaps). What I believe it is NOT, is frequent agitation, impulsiveness,

aggression, biting, head-banging, etc.

>

> It took awhile for me to understand what was what, but now I can see it

clearly in my child. Healing crisis looks different than yeast, yeast looks

different than inflammation, etc.

>

> The thing I mostly disagree about with people is yeast. I believe that during

chelation you have to do what you can to prevent and keep it in check, I don't

feel you have to destroy it with every yeast supplement available to mankind

(I'm not mocking anyone cause I tried that too, but now I know better). In

fact, that often makes their gut worse. Also, on breaks from chelation, yeast

has been completely avoidable for us if my son maintains a low sweet diet

without " allergens " .

>

> That's my 2 cents if anyone cares

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You stated that some can tolerate and some cant, what do you mean, can you

tell by their reactions that they can or can't?

Thanks, I am trying virastop on my son because he has molluscum, and I

don't know if its working

Tara

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of iflow97

Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:07 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Virastop causes more yeast, why?

No need for a snide tone or nasty remarks about head spinning, . We

did not knowingly cause our child's healing crisis, you will note I stated

that the high dose protocol of Enhansa was inadvertent. We thought we were

giving half the dose we were. We were doing fairly low doses of antivirals -

which still were tough at times, but nothing major as long as the dose was

adjusted downward, much the way Andy recommends adjusting chelator doses

based upon how the child does. We did not have a DAN! pushing our buttons to

do this. He, in fact, like Andy is not a fan of antiviral therapy during

chelation. This was our choice.

Regardless, after killing lots of virus and who knows what else with the

natural antivirals, our son seems to have improved drastically in terms of

his need for supplements etc and his behavior. So a great deal of healing

went on, and also we completed almost 40 rounds, so lots of metals must have

been moved out as well. I would not recommend super high doses as a way to

go; however, antivirals and virastop enzymes, in my opinion, are well worth

doing in moderate doses along with chelation, and the yeast in our

experience has been manageable this way.

Also, as with chelators, every child's ability to tolerate antivirals is

different, some can tolerate higher doses than others, some can tolerate it

with chelation and others cannot. So one cannot speak authoritatively as to

what is advisable to do. I merely related our experience.

I just wanted to set the record straight on this.

Irene

> > > >

> > > > Thank you all for your sharing.

> > > >

> > > > So I should only introduce Virastop at a later point? Would adding

> > > virastop

> > > > 6 months after starting chelation be a good timing or should I

> > > wait longer?

> > >

> > > I agree with here too. Everyone is different and it's up to

> > > parents to gage if the benefits outweigh the risk/discomfort of a

> > > particular treatment for the kids at a certain point. For my DD, I

> > > knew she was a viral kid but giving her any antivirals before

> > > reducing the metals load was disastrous. I would have had to use Rx

> > > antifungals and for a long term and even then, I'm not sure that I

> > > would have seen any benefits making it worthwhile. Now when I give

> > > her Virastop, we see great results and NOW I'm thinking that I will

> > > do a short-term antiviral therapy of Rx antivirals, Rx antifungals

> > > and the army of natural antivirals. I'm not sure if I'll do the Rx

> > > stuff, but since she is responding now and I've read that the Rx &

> > > naturals are complimentary, I'm considering it for a 3 month period

> > > to hopefully get rid of viruses.

> > >

> > > Try it & see what happens. If you see good results, can manage the

> > > side-effects and your child is OK then maybe it's the right time.

> > > Otherwise, it may be wiser to hold off and try again later.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> >

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> Thanks, I am trying virastop on my son because he has molluscum, and I

> don't know if its working

I eliminated molloscum here with lysine.

Dana