Re: Swine flu questions

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: Swine flu questions

>

> Other good anti-virals:

>

> Vitamin A

> Vitamin E

> OLE

>

> Keeping the body at the proper PH. (Most Americans are too acid.)

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.org

> http://www.kidslikemine.org

> http://www.solanorail.org

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Ronni :-)

>

> I'm unsure of exactly what a cytokine storm is.

Neither am I but the doctor who spoke in the Mercola interview about Vit D and

it's potential benefits on the flu referred to the cytokine storm as happening

in victims of the Spanish flu. Something to do with the body sending too many

antibodies to an infection site for some reason. Not sure why this happens but

it did so more in the those with the strongest immune systems.

This is the reason that I'm not sure about what is good to take and what is not.

Also I think that some supps would be good for some and not so good for others.

I've read somewhere that there are two parts to the immune system and a healthy

system has both working in the right balance. But some people have part of the

immune system that doesn't work properly, either it's overactive or underactive,

and it's important to give the right things to boost what needs boosting and

lower or suppress the part that is overfunctioning.

My kids are a little different: one used to never get sick but now after 30

rounds gets colds occasionally, the other two are very susceptible to flus &

colds. And then there is me who used to get sick as a dog when my

cortisol/thyroid was out of whack and now that I've got that under control, I

don't think I even got a cold all winter.

So I think that we should each be taking different things, no?

Hey Andy, you out there???? How about a primer on this antiviral/immune

business?

[Guest guest]

I'm not going to change anything that we are doing, just wondering .... isn't

vitamin c an immune booster?

 

heather s.

From: <Ladyshrink111@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:20 PM

[ ] Re: Swine flu questions

Other good anti-virals:

Vitamin A

Vitamin E

OLE

Keeping the body at the proper PH. (Most Americans are too acid.)

Michele

http://www.healthga zelle.org

http://www.kidslike mine.org

http://www.solanora il.org

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> I don't mean to sound arguementitive, but why are more Mexican people

> getting this disease...and seemingly worse.

>

> ===>Closer to the source? Unsanitary conditions? Most of these pandemics

come out of third world conditions i.e. poor sewage disposal, unclean

conditions. Mexico is a real mess these days, they can't keep the drug dealers

from killing people probably relegating clean living conditions down the

priority chain.

=====> Ok...am a bit confused...if this attacks the people with better immune

systems....why would these folks fall victim...that is why I am confused....if

this is a virus that attacks the folks whose immune systems are in better shape,

then it would seem logical that it would leave the third world alone...also the

people that have gotten it....seem to have done ok...and these were younger

folks...at least the ones I read about....like the college students. Is the

CDC confused as to what this virus really is...

Hubby did hear on fox that the democrats are gonna use this for all it's

worth....I believe the wording was " Never let a good crisis go to waste. "

>

>

> I would think that the people their would really fair game for the virus.

> Ronni

> >

> > [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

> >

> > Other good anti-virals:

> >

> > Vitamin A

> > Vitamin E

> > OLE

> >

> > Keeping the body at the proper PH. (Most Americans are too acid.)

> >

> > Michele

> > http://www.healthgazelle.org

> > http://www.kidslikemine.org

> > http://www.solanorail.org

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As Swine Flu Spreads, Conspiracy Theories of Laboratory Origins Abound

by Mike , the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) Perhaps due to the genetic makeup of the fast-spreading H1N1

strain of influenza -- which includes genetic elements from bird flu, swine

flu and human flu spanning three continents -- there is considerable

speculation that the origins of this virus are man-made.

It's not an unreasonable question to ask: Could world governments, spooked

by the prospect of radical climate change caused by over-population of the

planet, have assembled a super-secret task force to engineer and distribute

a super virulent strain of influenza

<http://www.naturalnews.com/influenza.html> designed to " correct " the human

population <http://www.naturalnews.com/human_population.html> (and

institute global Martial Law)?

Technically, it's possible. The U.S. military, all by itself, has the

know-how to engineer and unleash such a virus. That doesn't mean they've

done so, however. It would be an astonishing leap into crimes against

<http://www.naturalnews.com/crimes_against_humanity.html> humanity to

intentionally unleash such a biological weapon into the wild.

Then again, governments of the world have routinely engaged in crimes

against humanity, haven't they? The U.S., for example, dropped nuclear bombs

on civilian populations in Japan. Israel rained white phosphorous on

Palestinians, Hitler exterminated countless Jews, and Americans fired

millions of rounds of depleted uranium rounds into targets in Iraq and

Afghanistan. Unleashing a viral biological weapon in Mexico City is no great

leap beyond what governments have already done to achieve their goals.

Throughout human history, virtually all the great crimes against humanity

have been carried out by governments -- mostly in the name of peace,

prosperity and security, by the way. So let's be clear about one thing:

Governments are certainly capable of doing this if properly motivated. Let

there be no question about that.

Is there any hard evidence of laboratory origins?

As of this moment, I have not personally seen any conclusive evidence of

laboratory origins for this H1N1 swine flu. I am open to the possibility

that new evidence may emerge in this direction, however, and I am suspicious

of the genetic makeup <http://www.naturalnews.com/makeup.html> of the virus

as one possible indicator of its origins.

I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease

<http://www.naturalnews.com/infectious_disease.html> , but I have studied

microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics.

What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments

found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media

<http://www.naturalnews.com/mainstream_media.html> (which has no reason to

lie about this particular detail), this strain of influenza contains viral

code fragments from:

• Human influenza

• Bird Flu from North America

• Swine flu from Europe

• Swine flu from Asia

This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a

natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North

America <http://www.naturalnews.com/America.html> would have had to infect

pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely

cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that

bird would have had to fly to Asia <http://www.naturalnews.com/Asia.html>

and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once

again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu

<http://www.naturalnews.com/bird_flu.html> elements) to become human

transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the

Asian pigs -- in Mexico! -- and spread it to others. (This isn't the only

explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives

you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening).

Now, on a common sense level, what is the likelihood of such a combination

of seemingly unlikely, trans-continental events taking place? At first

glance, without the benefit of additional laboratory analysis, it seems

extremely unlikely that this could have happened " naturally, " without human

intervention. It's not outside the realm of possibility, of course, but it

seems exceedingly remote that such events happened without some human

encouragement.

This is perhaps why the internet is smoking hot with talk of swine flu

conspiracy <http://www.naturalnews.com/conspiracy.html> theories.

is, of course, covering the issue in articles like this one:

http://www.infowars.com/medical-dir...

<http://www.infowars.com/medical-director-swine-flu-was-cultured-in-a-labora

tory/>

If the release of the virus was intentional, there are essentially two

explanations for who might be behind it: 1) Governments attempting to reduce

the human population, 2) Bio-terrorists attempting to kill lots of people.

Or perhaps 3) Those two groups are one and the same!

Why we shouldn't dismiss the conspiracy theories outright

Many of the points made in conspiracy articles are well made, in fact: There

is both a motive and a means for governments of the world to have played a

role in the creation and transmission of this virus. Still, it doesn't mean

they did, and NaturalNews <http://www.naturalnews.com/NaturalNews.html>

will be cautious in reporting such conclusions until more evidence emerges.

There's no question about one aspect of the circulating conspiracy theories,

however: If governments wanted to infect people with this bio-engineered

swine flu, vaccines <http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html> would be the

best way to do it. It seems interesting that Mexico City health

<http://www.naturalnews.com/health.html> officials, in particular, leaped

to a mass vaccination <http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccination.html>

campaign in the midst of the swine flu

<http://www.naturalnews.com/flu_outbreak.html> outbreak even though no

vaccines are yet available for swine flu!

So what, exactly, were Mexico City's health officials injecting into health

care workers and patients? There's absolutely nothing they could have been

injected with that would make any medical sense other than Tamiflu

<http://www.naturalnews.com/Tamiflu.html> . But Tamiflu is an oral

medication, not an injection. So what, then, was being injected into Mexico

City's hospital <http://www.naturalnews.com/hospital.html> workers?

What's very clear here is that Mexico is engaged in a massive cover-up about

the swine flu. The potential from economic damage caused by other nations

banning travel <http://www.naturalnews.com/travel.html> and imports from

Mexico is very real, and as a strategy to minimize that economic damage,

Mexico seems to be purposely under-reporting swine flu infections

<http://www.naturalnews.com/infections.html> and deaths while engaging in

elaborate theater whose only purpose is to make its own medical authorities

appear to be doing something useful. Hence the useless vaccines stunt.

This is further supported by medical personnel whose comments appeared on

the Barbara Walter show, published with ABC News Australia

(http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/20...

<http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2008/s2553104.htm> ). Read carefully what

these medical experts have to say about the real situation on the ground in

Mexico City:

ANTONIO CHAVEZ'S BBC <http://www.naturalnews.com/BBC.html> WEBSITE POSTING

(voiceover): The truth is that mortality is even higher than what is being

reported by the authorities, at least in the hospital where I work in. It is

killing three to four patients daily, and it has been going on for more than

three weeks. It's a shame that there is fear here.

Increasingly younger patients aged 20 to 30 years are dying before our

helpless eyes, and there is great sadness among health professionals here.

BARBARA MILLER: Another doctor who wrote into the BBC is Yeny Gregorio

Dávila.

EXCERPT FROM YENY GREGORIO DÁVILA' BBC posing (voiceover): I work as a

resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly,

the situation is far from " under control " . As a doctor, I realize that the

media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all

the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked

in this hospital were killed by this new virus in less than six days, even

though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths

is 20; nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I

understand that we must avoid panic, but to tell the truth - it might be

better now to prevent and avoid more deaths.

BARBARA MILLER: While Mexican officials say their primary concern right now

is human life, the country's Finance Minister Augustin Carstens says it's

clear that the outbreak <http://www.naturalnews.com/outbreak.html> will

have a significant impact on the country's economy.

Vaccinated doctors <http://www.naturalnews.com/doctors.html> dead in days

Did you catch what was said here? As Dr. Yeny Gregoria Davila posted on the

BBC website, vaccines were given to the medical personnel and those very

same medical personnel were dead within six days. Thus, the vaccine is

certainly not protecting these people from infection.

According to the conspiracy theories, these vaccines may indeed be the

carrier of the virus. Injecting front-line medical personnel with the virus

is the fastest way to spread it even further because medical workers

interact with large numbers of immune-compromised people on a daily basis,

including many people who tend to travel from far away to visit the hospital

and then return to their distant towns, burros or villages in Mexico.

Furthermore, the true number of people infected or killed by the virus is

being vastly underreported, according to these doctors. It's just like

China's handling of SARS: The country was hesitant to admit the disease

<http://www.naturalnews.com/disease.html> existed at all in order to avoid

international embarrassment over its lackluster health policies.

As the WHO knows quite well, nations are universally reluctant to tell the

truth about infectious disease. There's even a good reason why: Big Pharma

<http://www.naturalnews.com/Big_Pharma.html> usually attempts to acquire

the virus early on, patent its particular genetic code, then manufacture

expensive vaccines that it sells back to the stricken nation at a

ridiculously-high price. This is how Big Pharma profits from a pandemic

<http://www.naturalnews.com/pandemic.html> , turning human suffering into

corporate profits.

Thus, it is actually in a nation's economic interests to avoid sharing viral

strains with world health

<http://www.naturalnews.com/health_authorities.html> authorities because

WHO routinely shares viral specimens with pharmaceutical companies. This is

just one factor in a long list of factors that compel nations to lie about

infectious disease outbreaks.

Even when it comes to pandemic outbreaks, we are still dealing with layer

upon layer of commercially-motivated deception on the part of nations.

That's why it's so important to figure out how to " read between the lies " of

the mainstream media. I teach some techniques for doing that in my upcoming

Swine flu advanced preparedness LIVE teleconference which you can read about

here: http://www.truthpublishing.com/Prod...

<http://www.truthpublishing.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LIVE-CAT21547

>

This teleconference also reveals secret Chinese Medicine formulas for

expelling viruses <http://www.naturalnews.com/viruses.html> , how to survive

disruptions in basic infrastructure (which are likely to occur if this swine

flu goes pandemic), why flu masks are utterly useless at protecting you from

flu, and many other topics. Click the link above to read more about this

teleconference.

Another reason to avoid vaccines

Let's suppose for a minute that the conspiracy theory angle on this swine

flu infection is correct. If the spread of the virus starts to wane, the

best way for health authorities to unleash a second wave of infections is to

mandate the vaccination of the public with vaccines that are intentionally

contaminated with live H1N1 viruses.

Does that sound far-fetched? Consider the news item published here on

NaturalNews just one month ago, entitled Vaccines as Biological Weapons?

Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries

(http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html).

As that article explained, one pharmaceutical company was caught inserting

LIVE bird flu viruses into vaccine materials sent to 18 countries. Was this

a trial run for the H1N1 global infection effort? It certainly raises

suspicions. When a new virus seemingly " engineered " from three different

species suddenly appears in multiple nations -- just one month after a drug

company was busted inserting live bird flu viral fragments into

globally-distributed vaccine materials -- it should raise the eyebrows of

even the most steadfast skeptics.

It doesn't prove anything, of course, but it does raise suspicions that this

sort of thing could be happening beyond closed doors.

The question to ask yourself on this is the usual one: Who benefits from a

global pandemic?

Once you answer that question, you're well on the way to determining the

truth or falsehood behind the H1N1 conspiracy theories.

I'm not even going to answer that question for you. I'll let you ponder the

answer yourself.

Once you answer the question of who benefits from a pandemic, ask yourself

this second question: Are they capable of harming or killing humans to

accomplish their goals?

Answer that question and you've figured out most of the true story behind

these events.

[Guest guest]

we use benzalkonium chloride wipes as an unscented alternative to peroxide for

an anteseptic. We prefer it.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

> >

> > Other good anti-virals:

> >

> > Vitamin A

> > Vitamin E

> > OLE

> >

> > Keeping the body at the proper PH. (Most Americans are too acid.)

> >

> > Michele

> > http://www.healthgazelle.org

> > http://www.kidslikemine.org

> > http://www.solanorail.org

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Please not that over use of Vit D makes Vit A deplete...also throws off the

Vit K.

>

I do not believe this is correct either.

The group seems to be having problems with a lot of people posting much

innacurate information and superstition, which is very hard for others to wade

through. Careful consideration and appropriate personal restraint seem in order

- if it is based on your experience or on some web page and that's all you're

going on it probably is not worth mentioning, and certainly is not worth

advancing as a theory or worse a known effect.

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

[Guest guest]

>

> Calling something " inflammatory " just because you disagree with it and it was

stated strongly, is, as Andy puts it, good sophistry.

>

> It's your body. Too bad some of us replace one poison with another one.

>

>

On this list, comparing something to thimersol is akin to comparing something to

Nazi Germany on any other list -- ie it's inflammatory. I have no reason to

believe that hydrogen peroxide is linked to an epidemic the size and degree of

the ASD epidemic the way thimersol is. If you would like to post links or

substantive explanations as to why you believe peroxide to be harmful, you are

more than welcome to do so. I have every faith that there is still room for

improvement in what I am doing. But being dismissed with an inflammatory remark

and now accused of sophistry are not substantive arguments and are not going to

sway me from using something which has worked so well for me.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

http://www.solanorail.org

[Guest guest]

> > Please not that over use of Vit D makes Vit A deplete...also throws off the

Vit K.

> >

>

> I do not believe this is correct either.

>

> The group seems to be having problems with a lot of people posting much

innacurate information and superstition, which is very hard for others to wade

through. Careful consideration and appropriate personal restraint seem in order

- if it is based on your experience or on some web page and that's all you're

going on it probably is not worth mentioning, and certainly is not worth

advancing as a theory or worse a known effect.

++++++> Andy,

The elderberry was mentioned in several places when I was researching antivirils

as one that could cause the cytokine storm. If it had been mentioned only once

or twice, I would not have bothered to mention it.

As to the Vit A and D and K issues. You can go to the Weston Price

web site and look it up...it was written by Masterjohn and has a lot of

documentation with it.

As to the issues with cytokine storm...this is due to experience...my daughter

experienced a mild form of it and that is where I got into antivirals so much

more.

Ronni

> Andy

>

> www.noamalgam.com

>

> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

[Guest guest]

and others,

What I discovered when reading about it.

This is a man-made virus, that consists of human flu, bird flu and pig flu.

You do not get it from being around pigs or eating pig products.

The symptoms are fever of more than 100 degrees, coughing, achy joints, severe

headache, and in some cases vomiting and diarrhea but not always. So this looks

and sounds like any other flu we have seen.

It is not deadly or life-threatening unless your an infant or an elderly person

in ill health. The complication that would make this or any flu life threatening

to infants and elderly is dehydration. Which is avoidable and treatable. If one

monitors the amount of time the sick person goes without fluids and watches for

sign of dehydration, they can be take to the doctor for IV fluids. This would

removed that risk.

And honestly, there have been a few hundred documented cases so far...so not an

epidemic as of yet.

I also find it very suspicious that they are getting ready to produce a vaccines

for this and now have the governments scrambling around the world to buy up

antiviral drugs. Maybe the drug companies had some stock about to go bad? I

also note that this virus has not been found in any of the pigs they have

checked. Why even call it swine flu when this appears to be a man made illness.

It should be called bioterrorism.

What you can do:

Make sure you have olive leaf extract, virastop, Vitamin C, zinc, A, and any

other immune boosters like echinacea in the house.

Keep the homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum on hand.

Most people here who are toxic cannot take 100mg of ala. Nor can they or should

they take colloidal silver unless they wish to add to their toxic metal burden.

But we have learned to keep the above germ fighting supplements in our home all

the time. We have been able to warn off viruses and get over them quicker. And a

few hundered cases is not a pandemic.

-

>

>

> >

> > I was away for a week on holidays and was blissfully disconnected from the

internet and the news and come home to hear that the world is braced for a

possible pandemic!

> >

> > I haven't even unpacked my bags yet and I'm already wondering if I'm going

to have to take my kids out of school to protect them from forced vaccines,

which I can only imagine given the media coverage is coming soon. Probably to

the US first by the sounds of it.

> >

> > So can someone point me to some real sources of info about this? What is

this flu? What are the symptoms? Is this hype or is this a real threat?

> >

> > And what natural supplements should we be taking to keep the immune system

strong in case of exposure?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Regarding " isn't vitamin C an immune system booster? "

The worst instances of the swine flu seem to be causing " cytokine storms " just

like bird flu. See Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm This is

what causes people to begin bleeding and drowning in their own blood. It is an

immune system overreaction. Swine flu is made of Bird Flu, Swine Flu and Human

Flu DNA.

To quote the wiki article, " The cytokine storm (hypercytokinemia) is the

systemic expression of a healthy and vigorous immune system resulting in the

release of more than 150 inflammatory mediators (cytokines, oxygen free

radicals, and coagulation factors) "

It is the massive amount of free radicals and inflammatory mediators that cause

a " feedback loop " which tricks the immune system into an over reaction resulting

in bleeding and massive cell destruction. Vitamin C arrests the free radicals,

which helps restrain and mitigate the feedback loop and the overreaction. But

that may require a lot of vitamin C. In addition, the immune system at first

attacks infected cells by throwing free radicals at them. This is done by

Killer T cells. See http://video./watch/2317323/7279961 However, this

destroys large swaths of cells. And it is anything but a surgical strike. It's

more like carpet bombing. This happening too much causes bleeding. Too much

bleeding in the lungs results in the victim drowning in their own blood.

Vitamin C arrests these free radicals as well, narrowing the swath of

destruction to only a few cells, again restricting the overreaction and

ancillary damage. So vitamin C not only would not boost the storm, it would

restrain it. And it does so on at least two different fronts.

Yes. Vitamin C is a kind of immune system booster. But it also happens to help

restrain a cytokine storm rather than enhance it. Other immune system boosters

DO NOT restrain a cytokine storm. They may instead just increase the over

reaction that can kill you. Antioxidants are safe in a cytokine storm. They

help for all the same reasons Vitamin C restrains a cytokine storm. And this is

also why ALA would greatly help. It has been shown that it recharges all

antioxidants.

Example: Echinacea. At

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/echinacea.htm it is stated that

" Specifically, Echinacea increases the number and activity of immune system

cells. It increases the amount of T-cells and macrophages in the bloodstream. "

Assuming this is correct, that would be exactly the worst thing to do for an

infection that specifically causes too much of this already. It could even be

deadly, increasing the dangerous over reaction.

The methods discussed in this thread are all good. It is not that they are bad.

Rather that when a specific type of disease comes along that can trick the

immune system and attack the victim with a cytokine storm - an immune system

over-reaction, then then specific things must be done to restrain the storm and

not increase it. The normal things don't work. This is only applicable to

those diseases that create cytokine storms. And this form of swine flu does

seem create a cytokine storm. And it only applies when people are infected with

these specific types of diseases, and only during the first 3 days of infection

before the body is able to produce antibodies, which surgically destroy only

infected cells. That is usually when the storm ends.

High doses of vitamin C are recommended by Dr Sheri Tenpenny - one of the very

few witnesses to the swine flu in Mexico - to wit - 2 grams a day. See her

article at http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri121.htm Please note that

she does NOT recommend any immune system boosters other than vitamin C and a few

other vitamins. There is a good reason for this.

High doses of vitamin C being a good choice for virus infections and

specifically bird flu can be found discussed here:

http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml

At the moment it would appear that what is in america is not as lethal as what

is in mexico. But then we have to wait and see.

As a warning, it appears that part of this flu seems to be vomiting. As a

result, if it were me I would take vitamin C upon the appearance of the first

symptoms otherwise vomiting may not be able to keep vitamin C down. The window

allowing the cytokine storm to be restrained may close.

I hope this helps.

>

>

> From: <Ladyshrink111@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

>

> Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 9:20 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

>

> Other good anti-virals:

>

> Vitamin A

> Vitamin E

> OLE

>

> Keeping the body at the proper PH. (Most Americans are too acid.)

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthga zelle.org

> http://www.kidslike mine.org

> http://www.solanora il.org

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Jan

Thanks Jan,

The only thing I have read that is different than this, is the main victims

(deaths) of this flu are adults 25-45, also true of other pandemics. They say

older adults have some immunity to it.

and others,

What I discovered when reading about it.

This is a man-made virus, that consists of human flu, bird flu and pig flu.

You do not get it from being around pigs or eating pig products.

The symptoms are fever of more than 100 degrees, coughing, achy joints, severe

headache, and in some cases vomiting and diarrhea but not always. So this looks

and sounds like any other flu we have seen.

It is not deadly or life-threatening unless your an infant or an elderly

person in ill health. The complication that would make this or any flu life

threatening to infants and elderly is dehydration. Which is avoidable and

treatable. If one monitors the amount of time the sick person goes without

fluids and watches for sign of dehydration, they can be take to the doctor for

IV fluids. This would removed that risk.

And honestly, there have been a few hundred documented cases so far...so not

an epidemic as of yet.

I also find it very suspicious that they are getting ready to produce a

vaccines for this and now have the governments scrambling around the world to

buy up antiviral drugs. Maybe the drug companies had some stock about to go bad?

I also note that this virus has not been found in any of the pigs they have

checked. Why even call it swine flu when this appears to be a man made illness.

It should be called bioterrorism.

What you can do:

Make sure you have olive leaf extract, virastop, Vitamin C, zinc, A, and any

other immune boosters like echinacea in the house.

Keep the homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum on hand.

Most people here who are toxic cannot take 100mg of ala. Nor can they or

should they take colloidal silver unless they wish to add to their toxic metal

burden. But we have learned to keep the above germ fighting supplements in our

home all the time. We have been able to warn off viruses and get over them

quicker. And a few hundered cases is not a pandemic.

-

>

>

> >

> > I was away for a week on holidays and was blissfully disconnected from the

internet and the news and come home to hear that the world is braced for a

possible pandemic!

> >

> > I haven't even unpacked my bags yet and I'm already wondering if I'm going

to have to take my kids out of school to protect them from forced vaccines,

which I can only imagine given the media coverage is coming soon. Probably to

the US first by the sounds of it.

> >

> > So can someone point me to some real sources of info about this? What is

this flu? What are the symptoms? Is this hype or is this a real threat?

> >

> > And what natural supplements should we be taking to keep the immune system

strong in case of exposure?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

In the article at http://www.advance-health.com/rlipoicacid.html it states, " The

chelating action of Alpha Lipoic Acid is considered to be relatively weak

compared to other chelating agents " Which is correct.

ALA is, however, a super antioxidant. See the Article by the renowned Dr

Mercola at

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2009/04/27/Alpha-Lipoic-Acid--\

One-Powerful-Antioxidant.aspx

Silver is not divalent as other heavy metals are. It is also easily excreted

unless mineral transport is deranged by something else. People have been using

colloidal silver for thousands of years safely and without side effects. There

are also NO claims known the FDA at this point about appropriate use of

colloidal silver. " The dose alone makes the poison " is still correct. And even

drinking a quart of colloidal silver a day for 3 days cannot give you agyria

(silver toxicity). But it may well save your life if you have super flu.

http://www.silverproteinmild.com/SilverValence.htm

So far the only people who have been able to save lives with Cytokine Storm

inducing viruses such as H5N1 use a constant high level IV dose of vitamin C

along with other antioxidants. In a super flu pandemic, however, few will be

able to get to a hospital for their IV. What would you suggest, Mike?

I prefer my way of trying to help over the way you are not, mike.

PS: You may have noticed, Mike, that I didn't advise anything. I just said

what I would do if I were infected myself.

>

> Wow, if the flu doesn't kill you, O'Donnell's advice certainly will.

>

> Let's see:

>

> Alpha Lipoic Acid (the chelator that moves heavy metals to your brain)

> +

> Silver (toxic heavy metal)

> +

> Cilantro (more random chelating)

> +

> Sleep depravation (taking the above every hour around the clock)

>

> Yep, if you survive, it will take decades to

> recover from what you've done to your body.

>

> And, I'm sorry, a MILD case of the runs at 300

> GRAMS of C????? At that dosage your intestines

> are exploding hourly....!!!!!!!

>

> To anybody who has seen the movie " Wag the Dog " :

> I think we all know what's going on with this

> " swine flu " .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With all due respect

We can all google articles proving or disproving anything.

http://web.mac.com/medicalveritas/iWeb/Sanctuary%20Cancer%20Clinic/Natural%20Che\

lation.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/4057.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipoic_acid#Use_as_a_chelator

I'm sure if I had the time I could have found many others supporting one way or

the other the merits or discredits of ALA or virtually anything else.

Cheers Kenny

> >

> > Wow, if the flu doesn't kill you, O'Donnell's advice certainly will.

> >

> > Let's see:

> >

> > Alpha Lipoic Acid (the chelator that moves heavy metals to your brain)

> > +

> > Silver (toxic heavy metal)

> > +

> > Cilantro (more random chelating)

> > +

> > Sleep depravation (taking the above every hour around the clock)

> >

> > Yep, if you survive, it will take decades to

> > recover from what you've done to your body.

> >

> > And, I'm sorry, a MILD case of the runs at 300

> > GRAMS of C????? At that dosage your intestines

> > are exploding hourly....!!!!!!!

> >

> > To anybody who has seen the movie " Wag the Dog " :

> > I think we all know what's going on with this

> > " swine flu " .

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, this very chilling to me. On my way to work, I heard on BBC that reports

are that this illness may have started in industrial pig facilities in Mexico, I

don't believe it~

________________________________

From: Jan <mercurybabies2@...>

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:22:08 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

and others,

What I discovered when reading about it.

This is a man-made virus, that consists of human flu, bird flu and pig flu.

You do not get it from being around pigs or eating pig products.

The symptoms are fever of more than 100 degrees, coughing, achy joints, severe

headache, and in some cases vomiting and diarrhea but not always. So this looks

and sounds like any other flu we have seen.

It is not deadly or life-threatening unless your an infant or an elderly person

in ill health. The complication that would make this or any flu life threatening

to infants and elderly is dehydration. Which is avoidable and treatable. If one

monitors the amount of time the sick person goes without fluids and watches for

sign of dehydration, they can be take to the doctor for IV fluids. This would

removed that risk.

And honestly, there have been a few hundred documented cases so far...so not an

epidemic as of yet.

I also find it very suspicious that they are getting ready to produce a vaccines

for this and now have the governments scrambling around the world to buy up

antiviral drugs. Maybe the drug companies had some stock about to go bad? I

also note that this virus has not been found in any of the pigs they have

checked. Why even call it swine flu when this appears to be a man made illness.

It should be called bioterrorism.

What you can do:

Make sure you have olive leaf extract, virastop, Vitamin C, zinc, A, and any

other immune boosters like echinacea in the house.

Keep the homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum on hand.

Most people here who are toxic cannot take 100mg of ala. Nor can they or should

they take colloidal silver unless they wish to add to their toxic metal burden.

But we have learned to keep the above germ fighting supplements in our home all

the time. We have been able to warn off viruses and get over them quicker. And a

few hundered cases is not a pandemic.

-

>

>

> >

> > I was away for a week on holidays and was blissfully disconnected from the

internet and the news and come home to hear that the world is braced for a

possible pandemic!

> >

> > I haven't even unpacked my bags yet and I'm already wondering if I'm going

to have to take my kids out of school to protect them from forced vaccines,

which I can only imagine given the media coverage is coming soon. Probably to

the US first by the sounds of it.

> >

> > So can someone point me to some real sources of info about this? What is

this flu? What are the symptoms? Is this hype or is this a real threat?

> >

> > And what natural supplements should we be taking to keep the immune system

strong in case of exposure?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

great advice, thanks Jan

________________________________

From: Jan <mercurybabies2@...>

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:22:08 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

and others,

What I discovered when reading about it.

This is a man-made virus, that consists of human flu, bird flu and pig flu.

You do not get it from being around pigs or eating pig products.

The symptoms are fever of more than 100 degrees, coughing, achy joints, severe

headache, and in some cases vomiting and diarrhea but not always. So this looks

and sounds like any other flu we have seen.

It is not deadly or life-threatening unless your an infant or an elderly person

in ill health. The complication that would make this or any flu life threatening

to infants and elderly is dehydration. Which is avoidable and treatable. If one

monitors the amount of time the sick person goes without fluids and watches for

sign of dehydration, they can be take to the doctor for IV fluids. This would

removed that risk.

And honestly, there have been a few hundred documented cases so far...so not an

epidemic as of yet.

I also find it very suspicious that they are getting ready to produce a vaccines

for this and now have the governments scrambling around the world to buy up

antiviral drugs. Maybe the drug companies had some stock about to go bad? I

also note that this virus has not been found in any of the pigs they have

checked. Why even call it swine flu when this appears to be a man made illness.

It should be called bioterrorism.

What you can do:

Make sure you have olive leaf extract, virastop, Vitamin C, zinc, A, and any

other immune boosters like echinacea in the house.

Keep the homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum on hand.

Most people here who are toxic cannot take 100mg of ala. Nor can they or should

they take colloidal silver unless they wish to add to their toxic metal burden.

But we have learned to keep the above germ fighting supplements in our home all

the time. We have been able to warn off viruses and get over them quicker. And a

few hundered cases is not a pandemic.

-

>

>

> >

> > I was away for a week on holidays and was blissfully disconnected from the

internet and the news and come home to hear that the world is braced for a

possible pandemic!

> >

> > I haven't even unpacked my bags yet and I'm already wondering if I'm going

to have to take my kids out of school to protect them from forced vaccines,

which I can only imagine given the media coverage is coming soon. Probably to

the US first by the sounds of it.

> >

> > So can someone point me to some real sources of info about this? What is

this flu? What are the symptoms? Is this hype or is this a real threat?

> >

> > And what natural supplements should we be taking to keep the immune system

strong in case of exposure?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kenny,

I'm happy for you that you can google articles. For some reason I'm just not

intimidated :-)

I don't really see anything new in these links of yours. The original point was

that ALA moves metal into the brain. No. Actually it does not. It doesn't

really move much itself. Yes. These links you made note of are also correct.

ALA even recharges glutathione. It recharges ALL antioxidants.

Since you had time to google articles, perhaps you should have used it to help

people instead of useless pointless disagreements. All your post really says is

that you can google and post something. Who did that help? What issue did it

resolve for anyone? :-)

So you can google things and post them :-) Can you add anything that might help

someone not die of the pandemic? Or can you only cast confusion on the

situation so more people will croak?

Pip pip tally ho! :-)

PS: How about we stay on topic?

> > >

> > > Wow, if the flu doesn't kill you, O'Donnell's advice certainly will.

> > >

> > > Let's see:

> > >

> > > Alpha Lipoic Acid (the chelator that moves heavy metals to your brain)

> > > +

> > > Silver (toxic heavy metal)

> > > +

> > > Cilantro (more random chelating)

> > > +

> > > Sleep depravation (taking the above every hour around the clock)

> > >

> > > Yep, if you survive, it will take decades to

> > > recover from what you've done to your body.

> > >

> > > And, I'm sorry, a MILD case of the runs at 300

> > > GRAMS of C????? At that dosage your intestines

> > > are exploding hourly....!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > To anybody who has seen the movie " Wag the Dog " :

> > > I think we all know what's going on with this

> > > " swine flu " .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's also one of THE most polluted capitals in the world.

From: ronnimike <HISSPECIALTOUCH@ AOL.COM>

Subject: [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:21 AM

,

I don't mean to sound arguementitive, but why are more Mexican people

getting this disease...and seemingly worse. I would think that the people their

would really fair game for the virus.

Ronni

>

> [ ] Re: Swine flu questions

>

> Other good anti-virals:

>

> Vitamin A

> Vitamin E

> OLE

>

> Keeping the body at the proper PH. (Most Americans are too acid.)

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthga zelle.org

> http://www.kidslike mine.org

> http://www.solanora il.org

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Regarding the original point whether ALA crosses the BBB or whether it is a weak

chelator? If the articles you posted were meant to back this up in my opinion it

did not do a good job.

Many people here use ALA for chelation so I would have thought that this was

very much on topic for this group.

Kenny

> > > >

> > > > Wow, if the flu doesn't kill you, O'Donnell's advice certainly

will.

> > > >

> > > > Let's see:

> > > >

> > > > Alpha Lipoic Acid (the chelator that moves heavy metals to your brain)

> > > > +

> > > > Silver (toxic heavy metal)

> > > > +

> > > > Cilantro (more random chelating)

> > > > +

> > > > Sleep depravation (taking the above every hour around the clock)

> > > >

> > > > Yep, if you survive, it will take decades to

> > > > recover from what you've done to your body.

> > > >

> > > > And, I'm sorry, a MILD case of the runs at 300

> > > > GRAMS of C????? At that dosage your intestines

> > > > are exploding hourly....!!!!!!!

> > > >

> > > > To anybody who has seen the movie " Wag the Dog " :

> > > > I think we all know what's going on with this

> > > > " swine flu " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>