Rotating probiotics

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In a message dated 24/11/2006 12:55:04 GMT Standard Time, geirf@... writes:

Could you elaborate what is in CP!,

regarding

what kind of bacteria, "strength"

documentation for effect,

fillers ?

>>>I have all the info on my site

http://www.mandimart.com/cp1.htm

I have used it for 2 years plus now (along with some Sacc Boulardii) and think its great stuff - which is why I stock it. Other places do sell it in the UK but they charge silly prices like £34.99 + P & P for the 90 caps

Mandi x

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I have been using BioKult since forever, but no-one seems to mention it anymore. Is anyone else still using it, and how do you think it rates compared to these other ones? I just get stuck in my ways with the supplement regime I'm used to..... I think I'll try CP1, but can someone tell me if you can empty out the capsules, and whether they dissolve completely in juice without a funny taste etc. Neither of my boys can swallow capsules yet.

Thanks,

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In a message dated 24/11/2006 12:57:58 GMT Standard Time, peta3366@... writes:

Hi if it is working why do you want to rotate it? Sorry if it's a simple question.

>>>Not simple Peta, I feel the same, I don't rotate because I liek what I use - what I do do is add some others here and there, Sacc B, sprinkle of Primal Defense, odd Bio-Kult, Culturelle but always I give CP1

Mandi x

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So how many are you all giving? My boys have CP1 once a day, but s breath still smells bad, actually without being too graphic his breath actually smells like pooh, seriously, can I give him more than one probio a day?

TIA

Vicky

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In a message dated 24/11/2006 16:01:09 GMT Standard Time, MaddiganV@... writes:

So how many are you all giving? My boys have CP1 once a day, but s breath still smells bad, actually without being too graphic his breath actually smells like pooh, seriously, can I give him more than one probio a day?

TIA

Vicky

Vicky,

You can give as much probios until you see negative effects, really. I believe that no LD50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50 has been established (is this right, anyone who may know?). Meaning that the levels for toxicity have to be pretty darn high (like giving a child cups full of probiotics!) before any toxicity occurs. They are pretty harmless as far as toxicity is concerned but obviously can cause loose stools in some, delayed gastric emptying and/or constipation.

If his breath is bad and you don't see any detrimental effects then you can give as many as you like to see if it shifts the problem. I'd give more than one a day if could tolerate it but he just can't at this time it just causes too much constipation.

Hope that helps!

Darla

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Just caught this, . Where do you get CP1?

My daughter has a dreadful smell coming through her mouth and definately from the bowels so I know we have to work on this....

Rotating Probiotics

Hi

I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic please.

Thanks

Nicola

Mum of Luke aged 5

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mandimart - place an order on one day - and it arrives the next. Excellent service!!

I had tried other pro-biotics before CP1 and Luke had always been high with dysbiotic flora for months - it was only after CP1 that it completly went!!

Nicola

Rotating Probiotics

Hi

I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic please.

Thanks

Nicola

Mum of Luke aged 5

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Mandi

Could you elaborate what is in CP!,

regarding

what kind of bacteria, " strength "

documentation for effect,

fillers ?

Geir Flatabø

On 11/24/06, Nicola Trotman <n.trotman@...> wrote:

mandimart - place an order on one day - and it arrives the next. Excellent service!!

I had tried other pro-biotics before CP1 and Luke had always been high with dysbiotic flora for months - it was only after CP1 that it completly went!!

Nicola

Rotating Probiotics

Hi

I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic please.

Thanks

Nicola

Mum of Luke aged 5

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Hi if it is working why do you want to rotate it? Sorry if it's a

simple question.

Peta-

-- In Autism Treatment , " Nicola Trotman "

<n.trotman@...> wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the

pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time

Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-

biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic

please.

>

> Thanks

> Nicola

>

> Mum of Luke aged 5

>

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Because I am sure I have read recently on this forum that it is best to rotate pro-biotics otherwise they can start to become less effective - I think!! I will do a search and see if I can dig out the emails.

Re: Rotating Probiotics

Hi if it is working why do you want to rotate it? Sorry if it's a simple question.Peta>> Hi> > I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic please.> > Thanks> Nicola> > Mum of Luke aged 5>

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In a message dated 24/11/2006 16:01:09 GMT Standard Time, MaddiganV@... writes:

So how many are you all giving? My boys have CP1 once a day, but s breath still smells bad, actually without being too graphic his breath actually smells like pooh, seriously, can I give him more than one probio a day?

>>I Have used more but he gets 2 every night along with 4 Sacc B, if I do Bio-Kult I do that with food because thats a with food one

Mandi x

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Hi

Luke won't take his supplements in a drink - so I wrap his probiotics in a sweet and he munches it down no problem.

Always wondered if it mattered that I wrap it in a sweet - but I had tried so many other ways that hadn't worked!

The taste is not that strong - Luke certainly doesn't seem to mind.

Re: Rotating Probiotics

I have been using BioKult since forever, but no-one seems to mention it anymore. Is anyone else still using it, and how do you think it rates compared to these other ones? I just get stuck in my ways with the supplement regime I'm used to..... I think I'll try CP1, but can someone tell me if you can empty out the capsules, and whether they dissolve completely in juice without a funny taste etc. Neither of my boys can swallow capsules yet.

Thanks,

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Thats interesting Mandi - I might just stay with CP1 (I mean it certainly seemed to work for Luke) - I am also using sacc B at moment - but might add in some culturelle too. (Trying to rid of yeast problem at mo - though also giving diflucan - which should do the trick!!)

Thanks

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In a message dated 24/11/2006 12:57:58 GMT Standard Time, peta3366 (DOT) co.uk writes:

Hi if it is working why do you want to rotate it? Sorry if it's a simple question.

>>>Not simple Peta, I feel the same, I don't rotate because I liek what I use - what I do do is add some others here and there, Sacc B, sprinkle of Primal Defense, odd Bio-Kult, Culturelle but always I give CP1

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Yes, it’s definitely

true but as Mandi says you can keep CP1 going and rotate something alongside

it. The way does it is to have, for example, CP1 in the morning and then

one of about 3 different ones (use each one until the bottle is all used up) in

the evening.

SARA

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Re: Rotating Probiotics

Because I am sure I have read

recently on this forum that it is best to rotate pro-biotics otherwise they can

start to become less effective - I think!! I will do a search and see if I can

dig out the emails.

Re: Rotating Probiotics

Hi if it is

working why do you want to rotate it? Sorry if it's a

simple question.

Peta-

-- In Autism Treatment ,

" Nicola Trotman "

<n.trotman@...> wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the

pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time

Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-

biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic

please.

>

> Thanks

> Nicola

>

> Mum of Luke aged 5

>

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I always use CP1 as i find it the most deadly !

I use Biocare Bifido Bifidum in the morning CP1 at night.

Others you can try are L caseii and L salivarius

from www.metabolics.co.uk

Good strains for fighting indican bacteria levels if they dare to

raise their ugly heads

Joanne

>

> Hi

>

> I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the

pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time

Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-

biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic

please.

>

> Thanks

> Nicola

>

> Mum of Luke aged 5

>

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Says it in Enzymes for Autism too -- you can tell I've read a book

recently

Sally

Nicola Trotman wrote:

Because I am sure I have read recently on this forum that it is

best to rotate pro-biotics otherwise they can start to become less

effective - I think!! I will do a search and see if I can dig out the

emails.

Re: Rotating

Probiotics

Hi if it is working why do you want to rotate it? Sorry if it's

a

simple question.

Peta-

-- In Autism-Biomedical-

Europe@grou ps.com, "Nicola Trotman"

<n.trotman@. ..> wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> I have been using CP1 for sometime now and I want to rotate the

pro-biotics. I have found CP1 to be very good as for the first time

Luke is now clear of dysbiotic flora - so I want a simalar pro-

biotic - can someone recommend a similar and effective pro-biotic

please.

>

> Thanks

> Nicola

>

> Mum of Luke aged 5

>

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Hi

Thanks for the idea about putting CP1 in a sweet, but I'd rather do it in juice if it dissolves. Does anyone know if it does dissolve, as BioKult just melts into the juice without a trace, and I don't want to buy (yet another) supplement that I end up not being able to use.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

If the " bad breath " comes from mouth bacteria, the probios should mainly contain L. salivarius, that can colonize mouth, and xylitol and mannitol also have som antibacterial effect...if the smell comes from gut - via lungs, any other strain could be tried...

Geir FlatabøOn 11/24/06, rexel45@... <rexel45@...> wrote:

In a message dated 24/11/2006 16:01:09 GMT Standard Time, MaddiganV@... writes:

So how many are you all giving? My boys have CP1 once a day, but s breath still smells bad, actually without being too graphic his breath actually smells like pooh, seriously, can I give him more than one probio a day?

TIA

Vicky

Vicky,

You can give as much probios until you see negative effects, really. I believe that no LD50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50 has been established (is this right, anyone who may know?). Meaning that the levels for toxicity have to be pretty darn high (like giving a child cups full of probiotics!) before any toxicity occurs. They are pretty harmless as far as toxicity is concerned but obviously can cause loose stools in some, delayed gastric emptying and/or constipation.

If his breath is bad and you don't see any detrimental effects then you can give as many as you like to see if it shifts the problem. I'd give more than one a day if could tolerate it but he just can't at this time it just causes too much constipation.

Hope that helps!

Darla

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Thanks everyone, I would say not exactly constipated but very large hard to pass stools usually once a day, I always thought because he was regular then he wasn't constipated but probably wrong there.

He is very fussy about teeth cleaning taking an inordinate amount of time in the bathroom partly due to being told he smells and partly Aspie kind of obsession, the smell is really poohey though rather than oral.

I'll start giving him extra CP1 had been giving in the morning and order some other stuff from Mandimart see how we get on.

Vicky

xx

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In a message dated 24/11/2006 21:26:07 GMT Standard Time, godfree@... writes:

Thanks for the idea about putting CP1 in a sweet, but I'd rather do it in juice if it dissolves. Does anyone know if it does dissolve, as BioKult just melts into the juice without a trace, and I don't want to buy (yet another) supplement that I end up not being able to use.

>>I can send you a few out of my pot if you like to try. I use a lidded cup and shake like crazy so I don't look, let me know

Mandi x

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Vicky,

is he constipated, ds gets this sometimes when he is backed up

(caused by bad bacteria i expect) Maybe a good oxypowder clear-out

would sort this if he is?

Nikki

>

> So how many are you all giving? My boys have CP1 once a day, but

s

> breath still smells bad, actually without being too graphic his

breath actually

> smells like pooh, seriously, can I give him more than one probio a

day?

> TIA

> Vicky

>

[Guest guest]

We just use primal defense. Our dr said it is stronger than the

others so don't need to take so many. Also he doesn't think we need

to rotate.

Peta-

-- In Autism Treatment , MaddiganV@... wrote:

>

> Thanks everyone, I would say not exactly constipated but very

large hard to

> pass stools usually once a day, I always thought because he was

regular then

> he wasn't constipated but probably wrong there.

> He is very fussy about teeth cleaning taking an inordinate amount

of time in

> the bathroom partly due to being told he smells and partly Aspie

kind of

> obsession, the smell is really poohey though rather than oral.

> I'll start giving him extra CP1 had been giving in the morning and

order

> some other stuff from Mandimart see how we get on.

> Vicky

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

Have you asked your GP? No idea what breath like poo means (well, I

know what YOU mean but not what IT means) but breath like wee can mean

kidney problems even failure and all sorts of nasties. Breath is not

meant to smell like poo. Is it all the time?

>

> So how many are you all giving? My boys have CP1 once a day, but

s

> breath still smells bad, actually without being too graphic his

breath actually

> smells like pooh, seriously, can I give him more than one probio a

day?

> TIA

> Vicky

>

[Guest guest]

Irene, we were rotating klaire's detoxification along with Saccharomyces

Boulardi and Therbiotic Complete. Given results on dd's latest GI Panel with

Diagnos Techs, it was easy to argue that they weren't having the desired effect

(yeast, inflammation, etc). So, upon the recommendation of our hormone

specialist, we have switched to Natren Life Start 1. Check out their products.

The philosophy behind their products I believe is somewhat diff from the

probiotic lines that seem to be popular in the autism community - cultivate one

or two strains well rather than a bunch that end up competing with each other.

Jury's still out on dd's gut, but I also started our 2 yo on it - she was

suffering from chronic diarrhea and exzema, and after about a week, she started

getting better. She's almost cured now after a month.

olivia

>

> Is there any benefit to rotating probiotics?  Our DAN! was against this.

 However, we have been using Klaire's Detoxification probiotic along with

Kirkman's L. Acidophilus probiotic exclusively for over a year.  So our son is

only getting a few strains of good gut bugs.  I wondered if it is still

effective or is getting the job done.  His gut issues are better, but still

present, and yeast flares up here and there.  Hard to know with this kind of

thing.

> A friend of mine has used the Living Streams Liquid probiotic with some

success.  I was wondering if it might be worth it to switch to this or rotate in

this probiotic.  Or if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

> Irene

>

>

>

>

>

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Our local health food store has run out of the brand we have been using

for some time now. It is time for me to reorder or change brands. I was

wondering if it is ok to rotate change the strain we have been using? So

far we have had good success. . Reading the achieves on rotating

probiotics I have noticed that some think it's a good idea some

think it is not at it may build up a tolerance to all the strains. Both

reasoning make some sense. What do you think is ok and what is everyone

doing as far as changing brands and strains?

TIA

Marry s mum to and