Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Per a pulmonologist, I took 325 mg OTC iron supplements to increase mine. Started w/ 3/x, then 2/d, then maintain w/ ~1/d. Brought my ferritin levels from 11 to 50 in about a month. Cured my restless leg syndrome. There is the Ferretts IPS liquid or tablet out now, as well. Carolyn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of m hurtadoSent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: low ferritin levels Hello group, How can a vegetarian increase ferritin levels best? Thank you, Magnolia Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Thank you so much!! Magnolia"Wendell,Carolyn" <wendcaro@...> wrote: Per a pulmonologist, I took 325 mg OTC iron supplements to increase mine. Started w/ 3/x, then 2/d, then maintain w/ ~1/d. Brought my ferritin levels from 11 to 50 in about a month. Cured my restless leg syndrome. There is the Ferretts IPS liquid or tablet out now, as well. Carolyn From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of m hurtadoSent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: low ferritin levels Hello group, How can a vegetarian increase ferritin levels best? Thank you, Magnolia Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Carbonyl iron usually works well to build healthy ferritin levels and is gentle on the tummy. Chromagen Forte is an Rx iron preparation that has also worked well for many RNY post-ops, as has ferrous gluconate and polysaccharide iron. Ferrous sulfate is a known GI tract irritant (sometimes even for non-WLS pts.) and poorly tolerated, especially in the dosage potentially required by gastric bypass pts. Checks labs to determine how many mgs per day. Remind patient to take iron with vitamin C (to aid absorption) and apart from calcium. Ava > > Hello group, > > How can a vegetarian increase ferritin levels best? > > Thank you, > > Magnolia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Iron is best absorbed when taken with c containing FOODS, not supplements. Just a tidbit on the side. And you are right, carbonyl iron is probably the way to go. Kathy Shattler, M.S.,RD kshattler@...marchjo <marchjo@...> wrote: Carbonyl iron usually works well to build healthy ferritin levels and is gentle on the tummy. Chromagen Forte is an Rx iron preparation that has also worked well for many RNY post-ops, as has ferrous gluconate and polysaccharide iron. Ferrous sulfate is a known GI tract irritant (sometimes even for non-WLS pts.) and poorly tolerated, especially in the dosage potentially required by gastric bypass pts.Checks labs to determine how many mgs per day. Remind patient to take iron with vitamin C (to aid absorption) and apart from calcium.Ava>> Hello group,> > How can a vegetarian increase ferritin levels best?> > Thank you,> > Magnolia> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I'm interested in a reference because we are recommending 200 mgs Vit C in supplement form or an iron + vit C supplement. Are you suggesting juice? Food decreases absorption by 50%... SR , RD From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy ShattlerSent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: low ferritin levels Iron is best absorbed when taken with c containing FOODS, not supplements. Just a tidbit on the side. And you are right, carbonyl iron is probably the way to go. Kathy Shattler, M.S.,RD kshattlercharter (DOT) netmarchjo <marchjo > wrote: Carbonyl iron usually works well to build healthy ferritin levels and is gentle on the tummy. Chromagen Forte is an Rx iron preparation that has also worked well for many RNY post-ops, as has ferrous gluconate and polysaccharide iron. Ferrous sulfate is a known GI tract irritant (sometimes even for non-WLS pts.) and poorly tolerated, especially in the dosage potentially required by gastric bypass pts.Checks labs to determine how many mgs per day. Remind patient to take iron with vitamin C (to aid absorption) and apart from calcium.Ava>> Hello group,> > How can a vegetarian increase ferritin levels best?> > Thank you,> > Magnolia> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Let me see if I can find a reference. This study that suggested food promoted better absorption of iron than vit. C supplements was from a few years back. As usual, my filing system is magnaminous, but disorganized, so let me get back to you.", Shirley R." <shirley.shelley@...> wrote: I'm interested in a reference because we are recommending 200 mgs Vit C in supplement form or an iron + vit C supplement. Are you suggesting juice? Food decreases absorption by 50%... SR , RD From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy ShattlerSent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: low ferritin levels Iron is best absorbed when taken with c containing FOODS, not supplements. Just a tidbit on the side. And you are right, carbonyl iron is probably the way to go. Kathy Shattler, M.S.,RD kshattlercharter (DOT) netmarchjo <marchjo > wrote: Carbonyl iron usually works well to build healthy ferritin levels and is gentle on the tummy. Chromagen Forte is an Rx iron preparation that has also worked well for many RNY post-ops, as has ferrous gluconate and polysaccharide iron. Ferrous sulfate is a known GI tract irritant (sometimes even for non-WLS pts.) and poorly tolerated, especially in the dosage potentially required by gastric bypass pts.Checks labs to determine how many mgs per day. Remind patient to take iron with vitamin C (to aid absorption) and apart from calcium.Ava>> Hello group,> > How can a vegetarian increase ferritin levels best?> > Thank you,> > Magnolia> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I am afraid it is more complicated than I originally made it sound, for example: Int J Vitam Nutr Res. 2004 Nov;74(6):403-19. Ascorbic acid (AA), with its reducing and chelating properties, is the most efficient enhancer of non-heme iron absorption when its stability in the food vehicle is ensured. The number of studies investigating the effect of AA on ferrous sulfate absorption far outweighs that of other iron fortificants. The promotion of iron absorption in the presence of AA is more pronounced in meals containing inhibitors of iron absorption. Meals containing low to medium levels of inhibitors require the addition of AA at a molar ratio of 2:1 (e.g., 20 mg AA: 3 mg iron). To promote absorption in the presence of high levels of inhibitors, AA needs to be added at a molar ratio in excess of 4:1, which may be impractical. The effectiveness of AA in promoting absorption from less soluble compounds, such as ferrous fumarate and elemental iron, requires further investigation. The instability of AA during food processing, storage, and cooking, and the possibility of unwanted sensory changes limits the number of suitable food vehicles for AA, whether used as vitamin fortificant or as an iron enhancer. Suitable vehicles include dry-blended foods, such as complementary, precooked cereal-based infant foods, powdered milk, and other dry beverage products made for reconstitution that are packaged, stored, and prepared in a way that maximizes retention of this vitamin. The consumption of natural sources of Vitamin C (fruits and vegetables) with iron-fortified dry blended foods is also recommended. Encapsulation can mitigate some of the AA losses during processing and storage, but these interventions will also add cost. In addition, the bioavailability of encapsulated iron in the presence/absence of AA will need careful assessment in human clinical trials. The long-term effect of high AA intake on iron status may be less than predicted from single meal studies. The hypothesis that an overall increase of dietary AA intake, or fortification of some foods commonly consumed with the main meal with AA alone, may be as effective as the fortification of the same food vehicle with AA and iron, merits further investigation. This must involve the consideration of practicalities of implementation. To date, programs based on iron and AA fortification of infant formulas and cow's milk provide the strongest evidence for the efficacy of AA fortification. Present results suggest that the effect of organic acids, as measured by in vitro and in vivo methods, is dependent on the source of iron, the type and concentration of organic acid, pH, processing methods, and the food matrix. The iron absorption-enhancing effect of AA is more potent than that of other organic acids due to its ability to reduce ferric to ferrous iron. Based on the limited data available, other organic acids may only be effective at ratios of acid to iron in excess of 100 molar. This would translate into the minimum presence/addition of 1 g citric acid to a meal containing 3 mg iron. Further characterization of the effectiveness of various organic acids in promoting iron absorption is required, in particular with respect to the optimal molar ratio of organic acid to iron, and associated feasibility for food application purposes. The suggested amount of any organic acid required to produce a nutritional benefit will result in unwanted organoleptic changes in most foods, thus limiting its application to a small number of food vehicles (e.g., condiments, beverages). However, fermented foods that already contain high levels of organic acid may be suitable iron fortification vehicles. PMID: 15743017 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Not sure how this transfers to RNY pts, who malabsorb the Vit. C in food because their stomachs, duodenum, and a portion of the jejunum are bypassed. We recommend a Vit. C supp. be taken with iron to improve bioavailability. Steve Huntington, PhD, RD, LD > > I am afraid it is more complicated than I originally made it sound, for example: > Int J Vitam Nutr Res. 2004 Nov;74(6):403-19. > Ascorbic acid (AA), with its reducing and chelating properties, is the most efficient enhancer of non-heme iron absorption when its stability in the food vehicle is ensured. The number of studies investigating the effect of AA on ferrous sulfate absorption far outweighs that of other iron fortificants. The promotion of iron absorption in the presence of AA is more pronounced in meals containing inhibitors of iron absorption. Meals containing low to medium levels of inhibitors require the addition of AA at a molar ratio of 2:1 (e.g., 20 mg AA: 3 mg iron). To promote absorption in the presence of high levels of inhibitors, AA needs to be added at a molar ratio in excess of 4:1, which may be impractical. The effectiveness of AA in promoting absorption from less soluble compounds, such as ferrous fumarate and elemental iron, requires further investigation. The instability of AA during food processing, storage, and cooking, and the possibility of unwanted sensory changes > limits the number of suitable food vehicles for AA, whether used as vitamin fortificant or as an iron enhancer. Suitable vehicles include dry-blended foods, such as complementary, precooked cereal- based infant foods, powdered milk, and other dry beverage products made for reconstitution that are packaged, stored, and prepared in a way that maximizes retention of this vitamin. The consumption of natural sources of Vitamin C (fruits and vegetables) with iron- fortified dry blended foods is also recommended. Encapsulation can mitigate some of the AA losses during processing and storage, but these interventions will also add cost. In addition, the bioavailability of encapsulated iron in the presence/absence of AA will need careful assessment in human clinical trials. The long-term effect of high AA intake on iron status may be less than predicted from single meal studies. The hypothesis that an overall increase of dietary AA intake, or fortification of some foods commonly > consumed with the main meal with AA alone, may be as effective as the fortification of the same food vehicle with AA and iron, merits further investigation. This must involve the consideration of practicalities of implementation. To date, programs based on iron and AA fortification of infant formulas and cow's milk provide the strongest evidence for the efficacy of AA fortification. Present results suggest that the effect of organic acids, as measured by in vitro and in vivo methods, is dependent on the source of iron, the type and concentration of organic acid, pH, processing methods, and the food matrix. The iron absorption-enhancing effect of AA is more potent than that of other organic acids due to its ability to reduce ferric to ferrous iron. Based on the limited data available, other organic acids may only be effective at ratios of acid to iron in excess of 100 molar. This would translate into the minimum presence/addition of 1 g citric acid to a meal containing 3 mg > iron. Further characterization of the effectiveness of various organic acids in promoting iron absorption is required, in particular with respect to the optimal molar ratio of organic acid to iron, and associated feasibility for food application purposes. The suggested amount of any organic acid required to produce a nutritional benefit will result in unwanted organoleptic changes in most foods, thus limiting its application to a small number of food vehicles (e.g., condiments, beverages). However, fermented foods that already contain high levels of organic acid may be suitable iron fortification vehicles. > PMID: 15743017 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 > > My children (ASD and NT) have lowish ferritin levels. Growing children are always towards the low end. >From what I understand in the non-ASD world, ferritin levels need to be at 70-90 for proper adrenal/thyroid function. This makes a VERY small difference in most cases, and children can be lower and be fine. > I have heard that iron supplementation in ASD children has caused great regression, Indeed. >so I hesitate to do that. It seems that beef/ascorbic acid is not enough to get the ferritin levels up. Any thoughts? Ferritin will come up as soon as you detox them enough that their body doesn't have to dump iron to protect itself from the mercury. Until then it is very difficult to do. >Anyone worked on this? Quite frequently for any number of years. Andy www.noamalgam.com www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Thanks, Andy! So it sounds like lowish levels of ferritin are *normal* in kids. But, then you go on to say that ferritin levels will come up when they are detoxed. Since lowish levels are normal, do we necessarily need to see levels increase with detox? Also, re what I said about ferritin at 70-90 correlating with improved adrenal/thyroid function, there seems to be a lot of people who have had this happen by taking iron supplements. That worked for me. My ferritin was 55. After a 1 1/2 months of iron supplementing, my iron got up to 95 - and my adrenal/thyroid function noticeably improved. Thanks > > > > My children (ASD and NT) have lowish ferritin levels. > > Growing children are always towards the low end. > > >From what I understand in the non-ASD world, ferritin levels need to be at 70-90 for proper adrenal/thyroid function. > > This makes a VERY small difference in most cases, and children can be lower and be fine. > > > I have heard that iron supplementation in ASD children has caused great regression, > > Indeed. > > >so I hesitate to do that. It seems that beef/ascorbic acid is not enough to get the ferritin levels up. Any thoughts? > > Ferritin will come up as soon as you detox them enough that their body doesn't have to dump iron to protect itself from the mercury. Until then it is very difficult to do. > > >Anyone worked on this? > > Quite frequently for any number of years. > > Andy > > www.noamalgam.com > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 when our daughter had low levels we used homeopathic ferrum phos, it corrected low iron in her case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 > > Thanks, Andy! > > So it sounds like lowish levels of ferritin are *normal* in kids. But, then you go on to say that ferritin levels will come up when they are detoxed. Since lowish levels are normal, do we necessarily need to see levels increase with detox? > > Also, re what I said about ferritin at 70-90 I guess the people talking about this have no experience. Kids ALWAYS have ferritin down around 20 or 30. >correlating with improved adrenal/thyroid function, there seems to be a lot of people who have had this happen by taking iron supplements. That worked for me. My ferritin was 55. After a 1 1/2 months of iron supplementing, my iron got up to 95 - and my adrenal/thyroid function noticeably improved. > > Thanks > Probably one of the things that is different between adults and children. Andy www.noamalgam.com www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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