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Thank you and Vera! My husband, a PhD biochemist, says this

all the time. He wants a study done on vaccinated vs unvaccinated

populations, not on mercury alone, because he is extremely suspicious

of the adjuvants. He's always saying " keep thinking about that

aluminum " . The first DAN we went to (5 years ago) said this too--

focus on all the vaccine components; there's a lot of sh*t in there

besides thimerosal.

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Thank you for pointing this out. Perhaps you are unaware that many of

us have been discussing the adverse affects of aluminum for a long

time. There is a large amount of aluminum in the Prevnar, 7 valent

pneumococcal vaccine that has been given in a 4-shot series to most

kids since 2001. Prevnar also contains contaminants such as endotoxins

that likely cause problems. Check out the Vaers reports on this and you

will see many adverse events, including deaths, and autism-likes

symptoms reported as associated with Prevnar. Many of us at A-CHAMP

have opposed Prevnar mandates for this reason - and have participated

in campaigns against such mandate legislation. Prevnar was the first of

the " blockbuster " vaccines - Gardasil is just the most recent. I

suspect that Prevnar can explain some of the continuing incidence of

autism outcomes in the last several years. We have been saying this for

a while and we are glad others are taking notice.

Bob Krakow

On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:08 PM, dmayoub wrote:

Vera

I am researching aluminum toxicity for Gardasil work but also autism

and have pulled about 200 papers so far

It is amazing, but i think this community may be underestimating what

Al can do, include links to regression, motor problems and speech

impairment, seizures.....it seems we may need to assess body burden

and consider detox specifically for Al

can you send me your tables? I would love to use them in my lectures,

i had not run all the vaccines yet,

what is odd, the FDA sets a much stricter limit for injectable

solutions than for vaccines, i am looking into that

what a typical vax contains is 18,000 times more than you can put

into a small volume solution for i.v. use

something is off

it also looks like as many as 1/2 of the Gardasil reactions on VAERS

look like Aluminum toxicity reactions

things that make you go hmmmmmm

i hope to write a revieiw this summer

d ayoub, md

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I wish we had easier access to Shaw's study which also implicated the use of aluminum hydroxide in vaccines, notably anthrax vaccine. On Easter Monday, if our local university library is open, I think I'd like to venture down there, to see if I could obtain copies of these studies without paying for them via the Internet. Aasawewillwin07 <mamabear@...> wrote: Thank you and Vera! My husband, a PhD biochemist, says this all the time. He wants a study done on

vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations, not on mercury alone, because he is extremely suspicious of the adjuvants. He's always saying "keep thinking about that aluminum". The first DAN we went to (5 years ago) said this too--focus on all the vaccine components; there's a lot of sh*t in there besides thimerosal.> > hi.. do you have a number for the probiotics? thanks.. Lia> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > See what's free at AOL.com.> >>

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"include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures..." This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children. I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old.

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What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA?

ALA? Other?

Thank you!

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> " include links to regression, motor problems and speech

impairment, seizures... "

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> This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I

have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are

hurting our children.

>

> I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin,

although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped

coming in to " talk " to me about it because I was refusing it to the

nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents

and said, " you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've

removed it from all MMR vaccines. " . I shake my head NOW at that

statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has

some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting

a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around

4 years old.

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What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA?

ALA? Other?

Thank you!

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> " include links to regression, motor problems and speech

impairment, seizures... "

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> This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I

have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are

hurting our children.

>

> I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin,

although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped

coming in to " talk " to me about it because I was refusing it to the

nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents

and said, " you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've

removed it from all MMR vaccines. " . I shake my head NOW at that

statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has

some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting

a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around

4 years old.

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We saw a lot of aluminum dumping on TD-DMPS before the mercury started coming

out.

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> > " include links to regression, motor problems and speech

> impairment, seizures... "

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> > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I

> have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are

> hurting our children.

> >

> > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin,

> although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped

> coming in to " talk " to me about it because I was refusing it to the

> nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents

> and said, " you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've

> removed it from all MMR vaccines. " . I shake my head NOW at that

> statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has

> some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting

> a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around

> 4 years old.

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Aluminum oxide is put into vaccines as an adjuvant.

Until recently, I never realized that thimerosal also appears to have been put in some vaccines as an adjuvant (a compound which will boost the immune response to an immunogen).

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I wish we had easier access to Shaw's study which also implicated the use of aluminum hydroxide in vaccines, notably anthrax vaccine. On Easter Monday, if our local university library is open, I think I'd like to venture down there, to see if I could obtain copies of these studies without paying for them via the Internet.

Aasawewillwin07 <mamabearpatmedia (DOT) net> wrote:

Thank you and Vera! My husband, a PhD biochemist, says this all the time. He wants a study done on vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations, not on mercury alone, because he is extremely suspicious of the adjuvants. He's always saying "keep thinking about that aluminum". The first DAN we went to (5 years ago) said this too--focus on all the vaccine components; there's a lot of sh*t in there besides thimerosal.> > hi.. do you have a number for the probiotics? thanks.. Lia> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > See what's free at AOL.com.> >>

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Any orally acceptable organic acid, including tartaric acid, citric acid, ascorbic acid, succinic acid, acetic acid (vinegar) etc. among a number of others. Sweettarts would also be good for aluminum. Try lemon juice also.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

search: aluminum chelation read abstracts, order references, etc.

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What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA? ALA? Other?Thank you!>> "include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures..."> > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children.> > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old.> > >

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Any orally acceptable organic acid, including tartaric acid, citric acid, ascorbic acid, succinic acid, acetic acid (vinegar) etc. among a number of others. Sweettarts would also be good for aluminum. Try lemon juice also.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

search: aluminum chelation read abstracts, order references, etc.

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What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA? ALA? Other?Thank you!>> "include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures..."> > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children.> > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old.> > >

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we used DMSA and saw a lot of aluminum. Nanstiel <erik@...> wrote: We saw a lot of aluminum dumping on TD-DMPS before the mercury started coming out.> >> > "include links to regression, motor problems and speech > impairment, seizures..."> > > > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I > have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are > hurting our children.> > > > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, > although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped > coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the > nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents > and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've > removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that > statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has

> some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting > a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around > 4 years old.> > > > > >>

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Hi! New to this group, but a member of 9 other autism

related listserves. I recognize many of you from some

of them.

- I have only been able to watch the Oprah show in

bits and pieces. I did see the part with the good Doc

vs . You could read 's face that she has so

much more to say, and I guarantee come hell or high

water, that she will get the word out. She opened the

can, alright!!! The Doc? Yep, she got caught by

leaving the impression that she was second guessing

herself... " ...uh...vaccines?..uh... " ...well you all

know the rest. My question to you here: who is the

Autism Diva that you speak of? Was she on the show? I

won't get to watch it in it's entirety for a few days.

- there were a few posts re: the gardasil vaccine. I

just want to add that in addition to the 225 mcg of

aluminum, each dose contains 50 mcg polysorbate 80...

correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't that been shown to

cause sterility in mice? So is this some sick form of

population control in the name of preventing cervical

cancer??? It also contains 35 mcg Sodium Borate, a

known roach poison. Among the side effects reported to

the VAERS are fever, collaps, and seizures. These are

also symptoms of sodium borate poisoning. Coincidence?

Hmmmmm....

-also, to the mom whose Pediatric Nurse showed her the

MMR insert, excitedly exclaiming that they have taken

thimerisol out of the MMR: how mis-informed is

she...??? There never WAS thimerisol in the MMR. Just

the live viruses that wreak havock in the gut of some

children who mysteriously just happen to " become "

autistic after receiving it.

, you are a true hero to our autistic children,

as well as our NT children who have NOT become

autistic. You have helped so many parents to educate

themselves before vaccinating. Many parents are now

vaxing wisely or not at all. Keep up the good work..we

love you!!!

I have a 5 1/2 yo grandson who is recovering nicely

through the DAN! protocol including chelation with

td-dmps and glutithione. Toxic tipping point? A

thimerisol laden flu shot given at 19 months of age.

May have been affected previously, but this is the

point when all hell broke loose!

Great group everyone...I think I am going to like it here!!!

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Hey Trish,

Welcome to the group- you’re going to fit in nicely. Just wear your seatbelt-

Because the ride gets bumpy sometimes.

On 4/8/07 10:55 AM, " Trish Paolucci " <minniemimi1@...> wrote:

Hi! New to this group, but a member of 9 other autism

related listserves. I recognize many of you from some

of them.

- I have only been able to watch the Oprah show in

bits and pieces. I did see the part with the good Doc

vs . You could read 's face that she has so

much more to say, and I guarantee come hell or high

water, that she will get the word out. She opened the

can, alright!!! The Doc? Yep, she got caught by

leaving the impression that she was second guessing

herself... " ...uh...vaccines?..uh... " ...well you all

know the rest. My question to you here: who is the

Autism Diva that you speak of? Was she on the show? I

won't get to watch it in it's entirety for a few days.

- there were a few posts re: the gardasil vaccine. I

just want to add that in addition to the 225 mcg of

aluminum, each dose contains 50 mcg polysorbate 80...

correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't that been shown to

cause sterility in mice? So is this some sick form of

population control in the name of preventing cervical

cancer??? It also contains 35 mcg Sodium Borate, a

known roach poison. Among the side effects reported to

the VAERS are fever, collaps, and seizures. These are

also symptoms of sodium borate poisoning. Coincidence?

Hmmmmm....

-also, to the mom whose Pediatric Nurse showed her the

MMR insert, excitedly exclaiming that they have taken

thimerisol out of the MMR: how mis-informed is

she...??? There never WAS thimerisol in the MMR. Just

the live viruses that wreak havock in the gut of some

children who mysteriously just happen to " become "

autistic after receiving it.

, you are a true hero to our autistic children,

as well as our NT children who have NOT become

autistic. You have helped so many parents to educate

themselves before vaccinating. Many parents are now

vaxing wisely or not at all. Keep up the good work..we

love you!!!

I have a 5 1/2 yo grandson who is recovering nicely

through the DAN! protocol including chelation with

td-dmps and glutithione. Toxic tipping point? A

thimerisol laden flu shot given at 19 months of age.

May have been affected previously, but this is the

point when all hell broke loose!

Great group everyone...I think I am going to like it here!!!

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(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

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Woah... you're not kidding . Things move so fast here, that

I doubt I will be able to keep up. But my seatbelt is fastened and

my airbag is ready to deploy, when necessary!!!! Great group!!!

-Trish

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> > Hi! New to this group, but a member of 9 other autism

> > related listserves. I recognize many of you from some

> > of them.

> >

> > - I have only been able to watch the Oprah show in

> > bits and pieces. I did see the part with the good Doc

> > vs . You could read 's face that she has so

> > much more to say, and I guarantee come hell or high

> > water, that she will get the word out. She opened the

> > can, alright!!! The Doc? Yep, she got caught by

> > leaving the impression that she was second guessing

> > herself... " ...uh...vaccines?..uh... " ...well you all

> > know the rest. My question to you here: who is the

> > Autism Diva that you speak of? Was she on the show? I

> > won't get to watch it in it's entirety for a few days.

> >

> > - there were a few posts re: the gardasil vaccine. I

> > just want to add that in addition to the 225 mcg of

> > aluminum, each dose contains 50 mcg polysorbate 80...

> > correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't that been shown to

> > cause sterility in mice? So is this some sick form of

> > population control in the name of preventing cervical

> > cancer??? It also contains 35 mcg Sodium Borate, a

> > known roach poison. Among the side effects reported to

> > the VAERS are fever, collaps, and seizures. These are

> > also symptoms of sodium borate poisoning. Coincidence?

> > Hmmmmm....

> >

> > -also, to the mom whose Pediatric Nurse showed her the

> > MMR insert, excitedly exclaiming that they have taken

> > thimerisol out of the MMR: how mis-informed is

> > she...??? There never WAS thimerisol in the MMR. Just

> > the live viruses that wreak havock in the gut of some

> > children who mysteriously just happen to " become "

> > autistic after receiving it.

> >

> > , you are a true hero to our autistic children,

> > as well as our NT children who have NOT become

> > autistic. You have helped so many parents to educate

> > themselves before vaccinating. Many parents are now

> > vaxing wisely or not at all. Keep up the good work..we

> > love you!!!

> >

> > I have a 5 1/2 yo grandson who is recovering nicely

> > through the DAN! protocol including chelation with

> > td-dmps and glutithione. Toxic tipping point? A

> > thimerisol laden flu shot given at 19 months of age.

> > May have been affected previously, but this is the

> > point when all hell broke loose!

> >

> > Great group everyone...I think I am going to like it here!!!

> >

> > __________________________________________________________

> > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love

> > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

> > http://tv./collections/265

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I did try the malic acid; took an random DDI urine test after 6 weeks and showed

absolutely nothing coming out. I guess I could keep trying, but I'm also trying

to weed out the unneccessary supplements from our regimen. I've also heard

horsetail works.

Reducing exposure? I don't use canned food. I should probably eliminate the

juice boxes, but haven't done that yet. I don't have aluminum cooking

pots/pans.

I feel better now that I see he does have some coming out in the hair over the

years (always about 1/2-2/3 in to the green on a DDI test).

Thanks,

Pam

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> Hi Pam,

> What have you done to reduce exposure? Chelating out the other toxin metals

will generally bring it down. Have you tried malic acid/apple pectin? Six seeks

is probably not enough time.

> S S

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> Posted by: " noaholiviaian " phaselow@... noaholiviaian

> Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:35 am (PDT)

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> We are having trouble getting aluminum out... hair tests show very little.

That concerns me, since exposure is certainly there on a daily basis (just

life!). I don't want it accumulating.

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> We tried an herb and another supplement (can't remember which), but didn't see

anything on a DDI hair test after 6 weeks.

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Hi Pam,

What have you done to reduce exposure? Chelating out the other toxin metals

will generally bring it down. Have you tried malic acid/apple pectin? Six seeks

is probably not enough time.

===>Malic acid will help with acute or daily exposure to Aluminum, does

nothing for the type of chronic Aluminum toxicity our kids have. I've known

people to give their kids malic acid for years and not have the Aluminum reduce.

Andy says Aluminum leaves when Mercury does, not until. And, btw, it's

largely been disprove that Alzheimer's is a result of chronic Aluminum toxicity,

it's our old friend Mercury that is responsible for Alzheimer's.

S S

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Posted by: " noaholiviaian " phaselow@... noaholiviaian

Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:35 am (PDT)

We are having trouble getting aluminum out... hair tests show very little.

That concerns me, since exposure is certainly there on a daily basis (just

life!). I don't want it accumulating.

We tried an herb and another supplement (can't remember which), but didn't see

anything on a DDI hair test after 6 weeks.

Pam

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