Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Thank you and Vera! My husband, a PhD biochemist, says this all the time. He wants a study done on vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations, not on mercury alone, because he is extremely suspicious of the adjuvants. He's always saying " keep thinking about that aluminum " . The first DAN we went to (5 years ago) said this too-- focus on all the vaccine components; there's a lot of sh*t in there besides thimerosal. > > hi.. do you have a number for the probiotics? thanks.. Lia > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > ---- > > See what's free at AOL.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 , Thank you for pointing this out. Perhaps you are unaware that many of us have been discussing the adverse affects of aluminum for a long time. There is a large amount of aluminum in the Prevnar, 7 valent pneumococcal vaccine that has been given in a 4-shot series to most kids since 2001. Prevnar also contains contaminants such as endotoxins that likely cause problems. Check out the Vaers reports on this and you will see many adverse events, including deaths, and autism-likes symptoms reported as associated with Prevnar. Many of us at A-CHAMP have opposed Prevnar mandates for this reason - and have participated in campaigns against such mandate legislation. Prevnar was the first of the " blockbuster " vaccines - Gardasil is just the most recent. I suspect that Prevnar can explain some of the continuing incidence of autism outcomes in the last several years. We have been saying this for a while and we are glad others are taking notice. Bob Krakow On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:08 PM, dmayoub wrote: Vera I am researching aluminum toxicity for Gardasil work but also autism and have pulled about 200 papers so far It is amazing, but i think this community may be underestimating what Al can do, include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures.....it seems we may need to assess body burden and consider detox specifically for Al can you send me your tables? I would love to use them in my lectures, i had not run all the vaccines yet, what is odd, the FDA sets a much stricter limit for injectable solutions than for vaccines, i am looking into that what a typical vax contains is 18,000 times more than you can put into a small volume solution for i.v. use something is off it also looks like as many as 1/2 of the Gardasil reactions on VAERS look like Aluminum toxicity reactions things that make you go hmmmmmm i hope to write a revieiw this summer d ayoub, md > hi.. do you have a number for the probiotics? thanks.. Lia > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---- > See what's free at AOL.com. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 I wish we had easier access to Shaw's study which also implicated the use of aluminum hydroxide in vaccines, notably anthrax vaccine. On Easter Monday, if our local university library is open, I think I'd like to venture down there, to see if I could obtain copies of these studies without paying for them via the Internet. Aasawewillwin07 <mamabear@...> wrote: Thank you and Vera! My husband, a PhD biochemist, says this all the time. He wants a study done on vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations, not on mercury alone, because he is extremely suspicious of the adjuvants. He's always saying "keep thinking about that aluminum". The first DAN we went to (5 years ago) said this too--focus on all the vaccine components; there's a lot of sh*t in there besides thimerosal.> > hi.. do you have a number for the probiotics? thanks.. Lia> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > See what's free at AOL.com.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 "include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures..." This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children. I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA? ALA? Other? Thank you! > > " include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures... " > > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children. > > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to " talk " to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, " you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines. " . I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA? ALA? Other? Thank you! > > " include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures... " > > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children. > > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to " talk " to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, " you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines. " . I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 We saw a lot of aluminum dumping on TD-DMPS before the mercury started coming out. > > > > " include links to regression, motor problems and speech > impairment, seizures... " > > > > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I > have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are > hurting our children. > > > > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, > although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped > coming in to " talk " to me about it because I was refusing it to the > nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents > and said, " you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've > removed it from all MMR vaccines. " . I shake my head NOW at that > statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has > some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting > a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around > 4 years old. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Aluminum oxide is put into vaccines as an adjuvant. Until recently, I never realized that thimerosal also appears to have been put in some vaccines as an adjuvant (a compound which will boost the immune response to an immunogen). Re: Re: re aluminum I wish we had easier access to Shaw's study which also implicated the use of aluminum hydroxide in vaccines, notably anthrax vaccine. On Easter Monday, if our local university library is open, I think I'd like to venture down there, to see if I could obtain copies of these studies without paying for them via the Internet. Aasawewillwin07 <mamabearpatmedia (DOT) net> wrote: Thank you and Vera! My husband, a PhD biochemist, says this all the time. He wants a study done on vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations, not on mercury alone, because he is extremely suspicious of the adjuvants. He's always saying "keep thinking about that aluminum". The first DAN we went to (5 years ago) said this too--focus on all the vaccine components; there's a lot of sh*t in there besides thimerosal.> > hi.. do you have a number for the probiotics? thanks.. Lia> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------> ----> > See what's free at AOL.com.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Any orally acceptable organic acid, including tartaric acid, citric acid, ascorbic acid, succinic acid, acetic acid (vinegar) etc. among a number of others. Sweettarts would also be good for aluminum. Try lemon juice also. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed search: aluminum chelation read abstracts, order references, etc. Re: re aluminum What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA? ALA? Other?Thank you!>> "include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures..."> > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children.> > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Any orally acceptable organic acid, including tartaric acid, citric acid, ascorbic acid, succinic acid, acetic acid (vinegar) etc. among a number of others. Sweettarts would also be good for aluminum. Try lemon juice also. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed search: aluminum chelation read abstracts, order references, etc. Re: re aluminum What chelators are good for aluminum removal??? DMPS? DMSA? EDTA? ALA? Other?Thank you!>> "include links to regression, motor problems and speech impairment, seizures..."> > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are hurting our children.> > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around 4 years old.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 we used DMSA and saw a lot of aluminum. Nanstiel <erik@...> wrote: We saw a lot of aluminum dumping on TD-DMPS before the mercury started coming out.> >> > "include links to regression, motor problems and speech > impairment, seizures..."> > > > This describes my son exactly. He was born in July of 2001. I > have been thinking it's more than just the mercury in vax's that are > hurting our children.> > > > I thank God I refused the MMR at 18 mos for him and his twin, > although they got most everything else on time. I remember the ped > coming in to "talk" to me about it because I was refusing it to the > nurse. The ped came in with the standard flyer given to all parents > and said, "you don't need to worry about thimerasol - they've > removed it from all MMR vaccines.". I shake my head NOW at that > statement. I guess she thought I was a complete idiot. has > some gut issues, but at least at around 18 mos on we started getting > a tiny bit more selective in vax's until we competely refused around > 4 years old.> > > > > >> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with for Mobile. Get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hi! New to this group, but a member of 9 other autism related listserves. I recognize many of you from some of them. - I have only been able to watch the Oprah show in bits and pieces. I did see the part with the good Doc vs . You could read 's face that she has so much more to say, and I guarantee come hell or high water, that she will get the word out. She opened the can, alright!!! The Doc? Yep, she got caught by leaving the impression that she was second guessing herself... " ...uh...vaccines?..uh... " ...well you all know the rest. My question to you here: who is the Autism Diva that you speak of? Was she on the show? I won't get to watch it in it's entirety for a few days. - there were a few posts re: the gardasil vaccine. I just want to add that in addition to the 225 mcg of aluminum, each dose contains 50 mcg polysorbate 80... correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't that been shown to cause sterility in mice? So is this some sick form of population control in the name of preventing cervical cancer??? It also contains 35 mcg Sodium Borate, a known roach poison. Among the side effects reported to the VAERS are fever, collaps, and seizures. These are also symptoms of sodium borate poisoning. Coincidence? Hmmmmm.... -also, to the mom whose Pediatric Nurse showed her the MMR insert, excitedly exclaiming that they have taken thimerisol out of the MMR: how mis-informed is she...??? There never WAS thimerisol in the MMR. Just the live viruses that wreak havock in the gut of some children who mysteriously just happen to " become " autistic after receiving it. , you are a true hero to our autistic children, as well as our NT children who have NOT become autistic. You have helped so many parents to educate themselves before vaccinating. Many parents are now vaxing wisely or not at all. Keep up the good work..we love you!!! I have a 5 1/2 yo grandson who is recovering nicely through the DAN! protocol including chelation with td-dmps and glutithione. Toxic tipping point? A thimerisol laden flu shot given at 19 months of age. May have been affected previously, but this is the point when all hell broke loose! Great group everyone...I think I am going to like it here!!! ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hey Trish, Welcome to the group- you’re going to fit in nicely. Just wear your seatbelt- Because the ride gets bumpy sometimes. On 4/8/07 10:55 AM, " Trish Paolucci " <minniemimi1@...> wrote: Hi! New to this group, but a member of 9 other autism related listserves. I recognize many of you from some of them. - I have only been able to watch the Oprah show in bits and pieces. I did see the part with the good Doc vs . You could read 's face that she has so much more to say, and I guarantee come hell or high water, that she will get the word out. She opened the can, alright!!! The Doc? Yep, she got caught by leaving the impression that she was second guessing herself... " ...uh...vaccines?..uh... " ...well you all know the rest. My question to you here: who is the Autism Diva that you speak of? Was she on the show? I won't get to watch it in it's entirety for a few days. - there were a few posts re: the gardasil vaccine. I just want to add that in addition to the 225 mcg of aluminum, each dose contains 50 mcg polysorbate 80... correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't that been shown to cause sterility in mice? So is this some sick form of population control in the name of preventing cervical cancer??? It also contains 35 mcg Sodium Borate, a known roach poison. Among the side effects reported to the VAERS are fever, collaps, and seizures. These are also symptoms of sodium borate poisoning. Coincidence? Hmmmmm.... -also, to the mom whose Pediatric Nurse showed her the MMR insert, excitedly exclaiming that they have taken thimerisol out of the MMR: how mis-informed is she...??? There never WAS thimerisol in the MMR. Just the live viruses that wreak havock in the gut of some children who mysteriously just happen to " become " autistic after receiving it. , you are a true hero to our autistic children, as well as our NT children who have NOT become autistic. You have helped so many parents to educate themselves before vaccinating. Many parents are now vaxing wisely or not at all. Keep up the good work..we love you!!! I have a 5 1/2 yo grandson who is recovering nicely through the DAN! protocol including chelation with td-dmps and glutithione. Toxic tipping point? A thimerisol laden flu shot given at 19 months of age. May have been affected previously, but this is the point when all hell broke loose! Great group everyone...I think I am going to like it here!!! __________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Woah... you're not kidding . Things move so fast here, that I doubt I will be able to keep up. But my seatbelt is fastened and my airbag is ready to deploy, when necessary!!!! Great group!!! -Trish > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! New to this group, but a member of 9 other autism > > related listserves. I recognize many of you from some > > of them. > > > > - I have only been able to watch the Oprah show in > > bits and pieces. I did see the part with the good Doc > > vs . You could read 's face that she has so > > much more to say, and I guarantee come hell or high > > water, that she will get the word out. She opened the > > can, alright!!! The Doc? Yep, she got caught by > > leaving the impression that she was second guessing > > herself... " ...uh...vaccines?..uh... " ...well you all > > know the rest. My question to you here: who is the > > Autism Diva that you speak of? Was she on the show? I > > won't get to watch it in it's entirety for a few days. > > > > - there were a few posts re: the gardasil vaccine. I > > just want to add that in addition to the 225 mcg of > > aluminum, each dose contains 50 mcg polysorbate 80... > > correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't that been shown to > > cause sterility in mice? So is this some sick form of > > population control in the name of preventing cervical > > cancer??? It also contains 35 mcg Sodium Borate, a > > known roach poison. Among the side effects reported to > > the VAERS are fever, collaps, and seizures. These are > > also symptoms of sodium borate poisoning. Coincidence? > > Hmmmmm.... > > > > -also, to the mom whose Pediatric Nurse showed her the > > MMR insert, excitedly exclaiming that they have taken > > thimerisol out of the MMR: how mis-informed is > > she...??? There never WAS thimerisol in the MMR. Just > > the live viruses that wreak havock in the gut of some > > children who mysteriously just happen to " become " > > autistic after receiving it. > > > > , you are a true hero to our autistic children, > > as well as our NT children who have NOT become > > autistic. You have helped so many parents to educate > > themselves before vaccinating. Many parents are now > > vaxing wisely or not at all. Keep up the good work..we > > love you!!! > > > > I have a 5 1/2 yo grandson who is recovering nicely > > through the DAN! protocol including chelation with > > td-dmps and glutithione. Toxic tipping point? A > > thimerisol laden flu shot given at 19 months of age. > > May have been affected previously, but this is the > > point when all hell broke loose! > > > > Great group everyone...I think I am going to like it here!!! > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > http://tv./collections/265 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I did try the malic acid; took an random DDI urine test after 6 weeks and showed absolutely nothing coming out. I guess I could keep trying, but I'm also trying to weed out the unneccessary supplements from our regimen. I've also heard horsetail works. Reducing exposure? I don't use canned food. I should probably eliminate the juice boxes, but haven't done that yet. I don't have aluminum cooking pots/pans. I feel better now that I see he does have some coming out in the hair over the years (always about 1/2-2/3 in to the green on a DDI test). Thanks, Pam > > Hi Pam, > What have you done to reduce exposure? Chelating out the other toxin metals will generally bring it down. Have you tried malic acid/apple pectin? Six seeks is probably not enough time. > S S > > Re: correlation in this group > Posted by: " noaholiviaian " phaselow@... noaholiviaian > Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:35 am (PDT) > > We are having trouble getting aluminum out... hair tests show very little. That concerns me, since exposure is certainly there on a daily basis (just life!). I don't want it accumulating. > > We tried an herb and another supplement (can't remember which), but didn't see anything on a DDI hair test after 6 weeks. > > Pam > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Photography School > Earn a degree or certificate in Photography. Click here. > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1g44Jf2CZb9cicgqPdspQLVxZWHkYVX08ncGezaRujlkiE\ YsokVA3W/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shepard Salzer Hi Pam, What have you done to reduce exposure? Chelating out the other toxin metals will generally bring it down. Have you tried malic acid/apple pectin? Six seeks is probably not enough time. ===>Malic acid will help with acute or daily exposure to Aluminum, does nothing for the type of chronic Aluminum toxicity our kids have. I've known people to give their kids malic acid for years and not have the Aluminum reduce. Andy says Aluminum leaves when Mercury does, not until. And, btw, it's largely been disprove that Alzheimer's is a result of chronic Aluminum toxicity, it's our old friend Mercury that is responsible for Alzheimer's. S S Re: correlation in this group Posted by: " noaholiviaian " phaselow@... noaholiviaian Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:35 am (PDT) We are having trouble getting aluminum out... hair tests show very little. That concerns me, since exposure is certainly there on a daily basis (just life!). I don't want it accumulating. We tried an herb and another supplement (can't remember which), but didn't see anything on a DDI hair test after 6 weeks. Pam ---------------------------------------------------------- Photography School Earn a degree or certificate in Photography. Click here. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1g44Jf2CZb9cicgqPdspQLVxZWHkYVX08ncGezaRujlkiE\ YsokVA3W/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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