Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? -- Priscilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Just my opinion, so please take it as that.....bio medical treatment heals the child and behavioral therapy helps them to catch up for the damage done, for all the learning they haven't been able to process, and to get closer to where their non injured peers are developmentally. ABA is one format, so is floortime, and RDI.Personally I like a mix. My child has benefited from more than one approach. In hindsight, I wish we had done more bio med before we expected to see any results from behavioral therapy. But, I wouldn't put off behavioral therapy too long either. If I was in a situation which meant I had to choose-I would choose bio med. Just my kid; listening therapy and lots of high quality OT and Speech have been enormously helpful, but were only marginally useful until we really started to detoxify and heal with diet, supplements, greening our home product choices, and lots of other bio medical help. Some folks have had remarkable results with homeopathy. We needed scopes and gut meds and are now having to treat seizures. There is a lot to be addressed.But again, just one mom here and by no means an expert, Alison M [ ] what do you think of ABA? Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? -- Priscilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 biomedical primed my son for therapy. His biomedical progress was not immediate and his prognosis is still unknown. Never put all of your eggs in one basket. Both behavioral therapy and biomedical intervention have their place. Kind of like diet and exercise if you want to lose weight! Look around: biomedical isn't curing most of these kids. Pam > > Just my opinion, so please take it as that.....bio medical treatment heals the child and behavioral therapy helps them to catch up for the damage done, for all the learning they haven't been able to process, and to get closer to where their non injured peers are developmentally. ABA is one format, so is floortime, and RDI.Personally I like a mix. My child has benefited from more than one approach. In hindsight, I wish we had done more bio med before we expected to see any results from behavioral therapy. But, I wouldn't put off behavioral therapy too long either. If I was in a situation which meant I had to choose-I would choose bio med. Just my kid; listening therapy and lots of high quality OT and Speech have been enormously helpful, but were only marginally useful until we really started to detoxify and heal with diet, supplements, greening our home product choices, and lots of other bio medical help. Some folks have had remarkable results with homeopathy. We needed scopes and gut meds and are now having to treat seizures. There is a lot to be addressed.But again, just one mom here and by no means an expert, Alison M > [ ] what do you think of ABA? > > Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would > chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, > address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? > > -- > Priscilla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Hello priscilla, ABA is good with the right therapist but can be terrible with the wrong person. I fired 4 aba therapists before I settled with the group we are currently using; they use an approach where they do aba, a little floortime and give some SI input (pairing). We do floortime too which I think is great. We were cruising along with therapy and supplements; starting chelation has made it so much better. s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 I agree with you Ali. Having taken a couple ABA courses, I can tell you that I think it is good, it works, but there is no way I think it is ethical to simply teach replacement behaviors for behaviors clearly associated with gut pain and inflammation. Pretty much all the ABA programs except CARD ignore the fact that autistic behaviors can be remedied by biomedical treatments. I made every attempt to educate those in my classes and my instructors about the relation of immune activation and sensory integration disorders, screaming, posturing, head-banging, biting, aggression, stimming, etc. It drives me nuts that they are still so closed minded, still seeing autism as a " permanent diagnosis " and still using M & Ms and Skittles for reinforcers. Not everyone is like this I'm sure, but these are the kinds of things the " old school " professors are teaching the future BCBAs. > > Just my opinion, so please take it as that.....bio medical treatment heals the child and behavioral therapy helps them to catch up for the damage done, for all the learning they haven't been able to process, and to get closer to where their non injured peers are developmentally. ABA is one format, so is floortime, and RDI.Personally I like a mix. My child has benefited from more than one approach. In hindsight, I wish we had done more bio med before we expected to see any results from behavioral therapy. But, I wouldn't put off behavioral therapy too long either. If I was in a situation which meant I had to choose-I would choose bio med. Just my kid; listening therapy and lots of high quality OT and Speech have been enormously helpful, but were only marginally useful until we really started to detoxify and heal with diet, supplements, greening our home product choices, and lots of other bio medical help. Some folks have had remarkable results with homeopathy. We needed scopes and gut meds and are now having to treat seizures. There is a lot to be addressed.But again, just one mom here and by no means an expert, Alison M > [ ] what do you think of ABA? > > Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would > chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, > address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? > > -- > Priscilla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: Priscilla Tan ===>This is our experience and my opinion so take it as such. We never did one hour of formal therapy and every single one of her issues resolved with chelation. I'm unsure of how common that is with chelation alone, to be fair but ours was not one to like repetitive activities. We did always make sure ours was involved in some activity. ly, I have a lot of reservations about ABA, mainly that the way ABA is conducted it sets the child up for the future to be controlled by other people who may or may not have the child's best interests at heart. As a psychologist I have seen a lot of kids " recovered " by ABA and I was unimpressed with their inability to emote or to think in novel situations. The main advantage, to me again, of ABA is that it provides the child with lots of interaction but I think you'd be well ahead financially and improvement wise to hire someone to clean your house and cook meals and just spend the time interacting with your child in a FloorTime kind of way. That is what we did here. Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? -- Priscilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 The therapy is only as good as the therapists working with your child. At one point, treats really were a good reinforcer for my son, but we phased them out. I also wouldn't allow the ABA way of toilet training (barbaric!) or let them 'teach' my son how to say " I love you. " I wanted that one to come on its' own (and it did)! Funny (sad) story: my son started digging in his rear end and got really whiney. This went on for a few months. We used creams, lotions and vitamins to help with the anal irritation. Therapist told me 'That is what Autistic kids do.' and proceeded to tell me about her adult clients who have the same behavior. Two weeks later I found a pinworm in his pull-up. Treated the pinworms and the rear-end digging disappeared. Think she said anything? Nope. Pam > > > > Just my opinion, so please take it as that.....bio medical treatment heals the child and behavioral therapy helps them to catch up for the damage done, for all the learning they haven't been able to process, and to get closer to where their non injured peers are developmentally. ABA is one format, so is floortime, and RDI.Personally I like a mix. My child has benefited from more than one approach. In hindsight, I wish we had done more bio med before we expected to see any results from behavioral therapy. But, I wouldn't put off behavioral therapy too long either. If I was in a situation which meant I had to choose-I would choose bio med. Just my kid; listening therapy and lots of high quality OT and Speech have been enormously helpful, but were only marginally useful until we really started to detoxify and heal with diet, supplements, greening our home product choices, and lots of other bio medical help. Some folks have had remarkable results with homeopathy. We needed scopes and gut meds and are now having to treat seizures. There is a lot to be addressed.But again, just one mom here and by no means an expert, Alison M > > [ ] what do you think of ABA? > > > > Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would > > chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, > > address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? > > > > -- > > Priscilla > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I like Son-Rise better but many go with ABA because some schools/districts/regions will help provide/ pay for.... S S ------------------------------------------------------------ Online Trading Online Stock Trading - Straightforward pricing. Powerful tools. Click here! http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1gvalNLPvbSxKJaamQWis9BG83BiDJWdYPR1zrnuUCY8qX\ 4jXVLYTu/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hi , what is son-rise program? how does it work? Why do you prefer it over aba? Thanks Priscilla On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Shepard Salzer < _Shepard@...> wrote: > > > I like Son-Rise better but many go with ABA because some > schools/districts/regions will help provide/ pay for.... > S S > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Online Trading > Online Stock Trading - Straightforward pricing. Powerful tools. Click here! > > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/FgElN1gvalNLPvbSxKJaamQWis9BG83BiDJWdYPR1zrnuUCY8qX\ 4jXVLYTu/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 That's horrible Pam. That is the kind of attitude most these therapists have though, they REALLY think it's a diagnosis and it cannot be changed biologically, ONLY behaviorally. It amazes me that they understand deprivation and satiation...LOL > > > > > > Just my opinion, so please take it as that.....bio medical treatment heals the child and behavioral therapy helps them to catch up for the damage done, for all the learning they haven't been able to process, and to get closer to where their non injured peers are developmentally. ABA is one format, so is floortime, and RDI.Personally I like a mix. My child has benefited from more than one approach. In hindsight, I wish we had done more bio med before we expected to see any results from behavioral therapy. But, I wouldn't put off behavioral therapy too long either. If I was in a situation which meant I had to choose-I would choose bio med. Just my kid; listening therapy and lots of high quality OT and Speech have been enormously helpful, but were only marginally useful until we really started to detoxify and heal with diet, supplements, greening our home product choices, and lots of other bio medical help. Some folks have had remarkable results with homeopathy. We needed scopes and gut meds and are now having to treat seizures. There is a lot to be addressed.But again, just one mom here and by no means an expert, Alison M > > > [ ] what do you think of ABA? > > > > > > Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would > > > chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, > > > address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? > > > > > > -- > > > Priscilla > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 This is my own opinion take it or leave it. I don't like ABA. It would be a last resort if I had done everything else and it looked like ABA type communication was going to be the best we could hope for. There may be some children who are in this situation but I don't think this is the majority. Our children suffer from very black and white view of the world, this is the autism. Biomed first and foremost addresses these issues and in the meantime therapies like RDI and floortime are much more suited to dealing with the real issues our children have holding them back. At the very least if they aren't needed because the biomed will do it all, these therapies won't harm the child or cause alot of preprogrammed communication we will have to then undo later on. Again there may be exceptions but I would wait till I was sure it was necessary before doing ABA. Pick up some Literature on RDI, floortime, and ABA then see which method you feel will benefit your child more. I am very thankful for to things when it comes to my kid. We found biomed right away, and we learned about RDI before we signed my son up for ABA. Tressie > > Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would > chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, > address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? > > -- > Priscilla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I agree, ABA is useful to a point and when it's no longer a benefit, I would not keep using it. ________________________________ From: umtarek690 <ttaylor15@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 6:38:10 AM Subject: [ ] Re: what do you think of ABA? This is my own opinion take it or leave it. I don't like ABA. It would be a last resort if I had done everything else and it looked like ABA type communication was going to be the best we could hope for. There may be some children who are in this situation but I don't think this is the majority. Our children suffer from very black and white view of the world, this is the autism. Biomed first and foremost addresses these issues and in the meantime therapies like RDI and floortime are much more suited to dealing with the real issues our children have holding them back. At the very least if they aren't needed because the biomed will do it all, these therapies won't harm the child or cause alot of preprogrammed communication we will have to then undo later on. Again there may be exceptions but I would wait till I was sure it was necessary before doing ABA. Pick up some Literature on RDI, floortime, and ABA then see which method you feel will benefit your child more. I am very thankful for to things when it comes to my kid. We found biomed right away, and we learned about RDI before we signed my son up for ABA. Tressie > > Do you think it's necessary to do ABA if I am doing chelation? Would > chelation alone help achieve improvement to behaviour, impulsiveness, > address gross/fine motor skill issues and learning difficulties? > > -- > Priscilla > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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