Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 i am supposedly will be taking it to get rid of mold inside of me. i also oprderd some carnivora. do you know of anything else that will kill the mold or fungus or whatever this is. do you recommend threelacks & if you do for how long? or is there anything out there that will earcidate the yeast for good or is this something that you have to deal with for the rest of your life? thanks shar Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: I believe zeolite is safe as any montmorillonite clay to eat, yes. Duncan > > > > has anyone tried it or any info. i got this product called > candyclear > > 5 7 it is supposed to do alot of things but it contains zeolite & i > am > > not sure if this is saf. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 > > Hi Bee, > I'm not sure if this has come up in the group before...sorry if it has. But I read that heavy metals , especially mercury , are related to candida. Is Liquid Zeolite something you would approve of taking to remove heavy metals? I don't even know if my mercury level is high but I thought I wouldn't hurt to take it even if my level is low. (though I suspect it is high, all my teeth have metal fillings) > I appreciate your thoughts... Hi Rose. Yes, it has come up many times and it isn't recommended: do a search of our Messages (at the top of the messages on the group's website). You do not require any kind of substance to remove heavy metals from the body on this program. That is because the combination of " high " good fats, along with oil soluble vitamins A, D and E, plus omega 3, proteins, minerals and other supplements work together to remove heavy metals. It is one of the things the body does best if it is given the correct nutrients. The combination of fats and oils on the program actually cleanses the body and helps the body's cells utilize water and other substances and they reconstruct the cells too. The best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 I used liquid zeolite until I started the cdliver oil and coconut oil, I don't need it now!! It's a good thing because it's not cheep. I also feel better Treva Shay Spence From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> Subject: [ ] Re: zeolite Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 10:33 AM > > Hi Bee, > I'm not sure if this has come up in the group before...sorry if it has. But I read that heavy metals , especially mercury , are related to candida. Is Liquid Zeolite something you would approve of taking to remove heavy metals? I don't even know if my mercury level is high but I thought I wouldn't hurt to take it even if my level is low. (though I suspect it is high, all my teeth have metal fillings) > I appreciate your thoughts... Hi Rose. Yes, it has come up many times and it isn't recommended: do a search of our Messages (at the top of the messages on the group's website). You do not require any kind of substance to remove heavy metals from the body on this program. That is because the combination of " high " good fats, along with oil soluble vitamins A, D and E, plus omega 3, proteins, minerals and other supplements work together to remove heavy metals. It is one of the things the body does best if it is given the correct nutrients. The combination of fats and oils on the program actually cleanses the body and helps the body's cells utilize water and other substances and they reconstruct the cells too. The best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 > > I used liquid zeolite until I started the cdliver oil and coconut oil, I don't need it now!! It's a good thing because it's not cheep. I also feel better Good for you Treva! Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 I am suffering from severe toxicity from an antibiotics called levaquin,a fluororquinolone. It has attacked my connective tissues and Central Nervous system. I was told that zeolite may help with that. I know you guys are experienced with detox and chelation. I searched the posts and the consensus seems to be that zeolite is not good for detoxing. I was wondering is anyone had a positive experience with it. if so I would like to hear about it.thanks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thanks, I have tried baking soda, and it works wonders. A warning to anyone buying baking soda: make sure it is baking soda only. Most have some form of aluminum mixed in to keep is from clumping. Randy From: djwest5815 <ganddtrucking@...>Subject: Re: zeolite Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 7:48 AM >> Zeolite is a mineral that has high absorbant properties. It is said to absorb toxins, metals, from the body. Zeolife is a brand name for it, amoung others. It seems to be one of the alternate ways to treat cancer. I first heard about it through a friend who claimed it was curing almost everything. She was distributing it through Waiora, a multi level marketing group (expensive). It is sold disolved in water and one takes so much per day. I bought enough for 3 months. It did not help or treat what I was addressing, a prostate problem. As with these things, some people got great results. Maybe I didn't take enough. I couldn't afford to keep trying it.>Why don't you try one-fourth teaspoon of baking soda and one-fourth teaspoon of citric acid(the home canning kind). mix together in 3 ounces of water and drink. it taste like alka-seltzer water without the aspirin.it kills yeast and fungus. start out 3 times a day,then taper off to one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 were can we read up on the granular zeolite? And what is the company web site? L:O) > > Hi All: > > Ranradd: > > What you say is correct till you get down the the MLM product, Waiora. > This is a weak substitute for the real deal. No one has ever tested it > against cancer. In fact, Michigan State did an exciting study using > granular zeolites on rats that never made your local newspaper. Imagine > that... a " cure " for cancer that cost almost nothing and never saw the > light of day. > > You could take hundreds of dollars worth of Waiora and never see any > results... Or you could take a few tablespoons of granular zeolite > powder a day and you would almost be guaranteed some improvements. > > Gjwest: > > You get no herx reaction from zeolites because they remove harmful > toxins from the body that cause the problems by compromising your immune > system and setting up an environment for disease. > > West: > > You can buy ten pounds of zeolite powder for less than fifty dollars on > the web... the best investment in terms of payback that you will ever > encounter if you take it in quantity. Remember though, we are talking > about basically eating sand, so it is not all that palatable. I give > it to my dog wrapped up in raw hamburger and it has cured him of cancer > several times... large cancers the size of your fist just disappear in > a few weeks. I can verify that, this stuff is good! > > Randy: > > Baking soda and citric acid will not get rid of toxins. They help > alkalize your system... but zeolites have that effect also. > > The aluminum scare was just that... plain ole' Arm & Hammer Baking soda > has no aluminum in it. A & H actually put a note on their box after they > got wind of that. Some boxes say it and some don't, but they are all > the same product. Baking soda is a safe product, but you should not > use it around mealtime, since it reduces your digestive acids. > > The bottom line is: buy granular only and take lots of it. There is no > theoretical maximum... the greater the amount that better the effect. > This stuff is totally inert. My eighty pound Golden Retriever gets > three tablespoons a day when I detect a growth. > > Regards, > Jim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Thanks for all the good information. You are probably correct in assuming that the MLM version of zeolite was watered down. I did get some benefit from it, but it didn't seem to do much for what I wanted to treat, and due to expense, I discontinued it. I've attached some of the literature the Wiora folks gave me. This includes a patent for zeolite as a cancer treatment, with very technical details. The other is a simple description of how zeolite works. As you recommend, I'll look for a source of zeolite that is not so expensive. The concept still seems correct as a way to remove toxins from the body. Regarding sodium bicarbonate, why do you mix it with citric acid? Would this not tend to neutralize it? While I didn't mention Arm & Hammer specifically, I had read that they might use aluminum so steered away from it. It is very easy to buy pure inexpensive sodium bicarb at a health food store, so this is what I do. The two attachments are PDF files. I you are unable to open them, I'll see if I can post them directly on the site. Randy From: Jim <huuman60@...>Subject: Re:zeolite Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:44 AM Hi All:Ranradd: What you say is correct till you get down the the MLM product, Waiora. This is a weak substitute for the real deal. No one has ever tested it against cancer. In fact, Michigan State did an exciting study using granular zeolites on rats that never made your local newspaper. Imagine that... a "cure" for cancer that cost almost nothing and never saw the light of day. You could take hundreds of dollars worth of Waiora and never see any results... Or you could take a few tablespoons of granular zeolite powder a day and you would almost be guaranteed some improvements. Gjwest: You get no herx reaction from zeolites because they remove harmful toxins from the body that cause the problems by compromising your immune system and setting up an environment for disease.West: You can buy ten pounds of zeolite powder for less than fifty dollars on the web... the best investment in terms of payback that you will ever encounter if you take it in quantity. Remember though, we are talking about basically eating sand, so it is not all that palatable. I give it to my dog wrapped up in raw hamburger and it has cured him of cancer several times... large cancers the size of your fist just disappear in a few weeks. I can verify that, this stuff is good!Randy: Baking soda and citric acid will not get rid of toxins. They help alkalize your system... but zeolites have that effect also. The aluminum scare was just that... plain ole' Arm & Hammer Baking soda has no aluminum in it. A & H actually put a note on their box after they got wind of that. Some boxes say it and some don't, but they are all the same product. Baking soda is a safe product, but you should not use it around mealtime, since it reduces your digestive acids.The bottom line is: buy granular only and take lots of it. There is no theoretical maximum... the greater the amount that better the effect. This stuff is totally inert. My eighty pound Golden Retriever gets three tablespoons a day when I detect a growth.Regards,Jim 2 of 2 File(s) what-is-zeolite.pdf patent.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 I have tried to find granular zeolite on the web but keep coming up with the stuff you use in hores stalls and such. can anyone share the site that they have learned of this please? L:O) > > > From: Jim <huuman60@...> > Subject: Re:zeolite > > Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:44 AM > > > > > > > Hi All: > > Ranradd: > > What you say is correct till you get down the the MLM product, Waiora. This is a weak substitute for the real deal. No one has ever tested it against cancer. In fact, Michigan State did an exciting study using granular zeolites on rats that never made your local newspaper. Imagine that... a " cure " for cancer that cost almost nothing and never saw the light of day. > > You could take hundreds of dollars worth of Waiora and never see any results... Or you could take a few tablespoons of granular zeolite powder a day and you would almost be guaranteed some improvements. > > Gjwest: > > You get no herx reaction from zeolites because they remove harmful toxins from the body that cause the problems by compromising your immune system and setting up an environment for disease. > > West: > > You can buy ten pounds of zeolite powder for less than fifty dollars on the web... the best investment in terms of payback that you will ever encounter if you take it in quantity. Remember though, we are talking about basically eating sand, so it is not all that palatable. I give it to my dog wrapped up in raw hamburger and it has cured him of cancer several times... large cancers the size of your fist just disappear in a few weeks. I can verify that, this stuff is good! > > Randy: > > Baking soda and citric acid will not get rid of toxins. They help alkalize your system... but zeolites have that effect also. > > The aluminum scare was just that... plain ole' Arm & Hammer Baking soda has no aluminum in it. A & H actually put a note on their box after they got wind of that. Some boxes say it and some don't, but they are all the same product. Baking soda is a safe product, but you should not use it around mealtime, since it reduces your digestive acids. > > The bottom line is: buy granular only and take lots of it. There is no theoretical maximum... the greater the amount that better the effect. This stuff is totally inert. My eighty pound Golden Retriever gets three tablespoons a day when I detect a growth. > > Regards, > Jim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Ok, I poked around this morning to run down the origins of zeolite. Here is what I found. First, zeolite is a general class of minerals. There are quite a few types, or compounds, found naturally. The main one used is called Clinoptilolite. The patent I posted earlier suggests a recommended form of zeolite, in the patent called "starting zeolite", being sodium magnesium aluminosilicate. A suggested supplier is J.M. Huber Corp. that supplies this as product name "Hydrex R". Huber Corp supplies industrial size quantities of a number of minerals. Web site - www.hubermaterials.com From there the patent calls for a process with heat, acid and a distillation procedures, to end up with a concentration of 98 MG per milliliter of water. Wiora is using "Sodium Aluminosilicate zeolite (clinoptilolite)" according to their literature, in water. It is processed in an heated acid solution. Percent zeolite to water (percent solids) is unstated. However, another site called www.liquidzeolitecompany.com says they supply the MLMs, but will now sell direct, and price their product much lower. They are using clinoptilolite. I love how they say they do not use a chemical process, and then describe how they use heated humic acid to process it. "But!" their clinoptilolite is the purest and doesn't need cleaning because it is from a mine in the United States. OMG. All the zeolite pages I saw were so filled with hype its incredible. Moving on: I found two companies that sell powdered zeolite. Again, they are using clinoptilolite. Here are the web sites: http://etszeolite.com and www.zeohealth.com Both of course say they are the best. The first one sells more for less. Also, the first one, etszeolite.com says they invested millions in a mining operation in Idaho to process zeolite. They show the mine on the web site. Why I mention this will be clear in a moment. The second company has a "white paper" that pretty much trashes the liquid zeolite suppliers and an unspecified MLM company. Well, since Jim says he was feeding it to his animals, I figured there must be some companies that sell to livestock. I have found talking to veterinarians in the past that there are a great many things they will do to animals that make them healthy for little money that are not done by humans. Like DMSO. My sister uses DMSO on her horses all the time for cysts and joint pain. I suggested she try it on her hurt wrist. She did and it got better. I found one company called Bear River Zeolite. They sell a gallon of zeolite powder for $35. This is the same zeolite that is being sold at etszeolite.com. How do I know? Because Bear River posted the same pictures of the mine that the other company did. Hilarious. If etszeolite.com and zeohealth.com have done anything beyond putting the power in a nicer container and marking the price up, I'd be surprised. They may have ground it finer and perhaps heated it above 250 F. to kill any bacteria. Maybe. It appears that zeolite being in the gut will draw out toxins as it passes through. It is possible that digestive acids will break it down enough that some zeolite molecules could get in the bloodstream. I have not found a clear explanation of how the zeolite is transported into the body. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 The last time that received any zeolites was from a friend who purchased the on eBay. These were fine, granular and designated for human consumption. He bought ten pounds of them and gave me a couple in a plastic bag. I have actually bought and used zeolites that were marketed for cat litter and mashed them up with a hammer. They came as rocks in a plastic net bag for about $5 a pound. I suppose that you could get some zeolites that were mixed in with aluminum and that would not ge good, but these were natural zeolite rocks. I don't need to pay a government agent to tell me what to put in my mouth. If I lived in the right place, I'd mine my own. zeolite Posted by: "west612908" lisamarie322@... west612908 Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:08 pm (PDT) I have tried to find granular zeolite on the web but keep coming up with the stuff you use in hores stalls and such. can anyone share the site that they have learned of this please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Your last post was impressive and I am in total agreement with you... and your attitude :0) My understanding was always that zeolites never actually enter the vascular system and they do their work by passing through the digestive tract all the while absorbing toxins. In the process, they have an alkalizing effect on the body. Since I was told that they are inert, I would assume that the effect would be accomplished by cleaning up the tract of acidifying toxins, not actually altering with the chemistry. I did read the paper on the study done on cancer, but it has been several years. This is what I got from it, but I may have read some things into it since. What it did do was impress me that these were powerful healers... and my dog thanks me. Wioria has a patent on their product, but certainly not on the cancer work that was done by others. In that work, their product was not used. The Wioria people are correct in how zeolites work, the problem is that their product is a diversion, not the real deal. I have taken more zeolites at one sitting than you would ever get from an entire bottle of Wioria. As far as I know, no definitive experimentation has ever been performed by Wioria. It was all done with natural zeolites, which are very effective and, obviously, much more dense than anything that you could ever get from that expensive little bottle of "patented" product. The sodium bicarbinate/ citric acid post was by Randy. Mixing them may or may not be counter productive, but I am guessing that it is not even though, as you suggest, the balance each other out on the pH scale. Citric acid is one recommended activator for MMS and, counter intuitively, it is an alkalizer. Personally, I do not recommend sodium bicarbonate as an alkalizer, since it can easily weaken the digestive process. The best alkalizes are green leafy vegetables... hands down. The bottom line is eat well and you will be naturally alkalized. You files do not open. > It appears that zeolite being in the gut will draw out toxins as it passes through. It is possible that digestive acids will break it down enough that some zeolite molecules could get in the > bloodstream. I have not found a clear explanation of how the zeolite is transported into the body. > Randy Re: zeolite Posted by: "Randy R" ranradd@... ranradd Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:31 am (PDT) [Attachment(s) from Randy R included below] Thanks for all the good information. You are probably correct in assuming that the MLM version of zeolite was watered down. I did get some benefit from it, but it didn't seem to do much for what I wanted to treat, and due to expense, I discontinued it. I've attached some of the literature the Wiora folks gave me. This includes a patent for zeolite as a cancer treatment, with very technical details. The other is a simple description of how zeolite works. As you recommend, I'll look for a source of zeolite that is not so expensive. The concept still seems correct as a way to remove toxins from the body. Regarding sodium bicarbonate, why do you mix it with citric acid? Would this not tend to neutralize it? While I didn't mention Arm & Hammer specifically, I had read that they might use aluminum so steered away from it. It is very easy to buy pure inexpensive sodium bicarb at a health food store, so this is what I do. The two attachments are PDF files. I you are unable to open them, I'll see if I can post them directly on the site. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 thanks for your imput Jim I really appriciate it. You made me chuckle. L:O) > > The last time that received any zeolites was from a friend who purchased > the on eBay. These were fine, granular and designated for human > consumption. He bought ten pounds of them and gave me a couple in a > plastic bag. > > I have actually bought and used zeolites that were marketed for cat > litter and mashed them up with a hammer. They came as rocks in a > plastic net bag for about $5 a pound. I suppose that you could get some > zeolites that were mixed in with aluminum and that would not ge good, > but these were natural zeolite rocks. I don't need to pay a government > agent to tell me what to put in my mouth. If I lived in the right place, > I'd mine my own. > > > zeolite > </message/10150;_ylc=X3o\ DMTJxZnIxajllBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzEzOTYyNgRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjA4MTQEbXNnSWQ\ DMTAxNTAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTI1NTI3MDE1Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " west612908 " lisamarie322@... > <mailto:lisamarie322@...?Subject=%20Re%3Azeolite> > west612908 <west612908> > > > Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:08 pm (PDT) > > > > I have tried to find granular zeolite on the web but keep coming up with > the stuff you use in hores stalls and such. can anyone share the site > that they have learned of this please? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Thanks for the info on liquid zeolite. Interesting. The person I bought it from is a good friend, so of course I just believed her that Wiora's was best. Think I spent about $350 or so on small bottles. After reviewing the ETS Zeolite site and the Bear River Zeolite page, I'm convinced that ETS has simply purchased their ultra fine grade, put it in a nice container, and marked the price up about 10 times. Also Bear River will ship a gallon of power for $5 and ETS will ship 660 grams for $11.95. ETS says that 660 grams is = to 134 teaspoons. There are 768 teaspoons in a gallon, 5.7 times as much. ETS = $.57 a teaspoon, Bear River = $.05 a teaspoon. Sorry about the attachments not opening. I was afraid of that. I can send to you direct if you like. The idea in the patent was to inject or apply the zeolite in water directly to the cancer. This would usually have to be done by a doctor or surgeon. The patent shows pictures of of the cancer cell destruction after adding zeolite. Randy From: Jim <huuman60@...>Subject: Re: zeolite Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:28 AM Your last post was impressive and I am in total agreement with you... and your attitude :0)My understanding was always that zeolites never actually enter the vascular system and they do their work by passing through the digestive tract all the while absorbing toxins. In the process, they have an alkalizing effect on the body. Since I was told that they are inert, I would assume that the effect would be accomplished by cleaning up the tract of acidifying toxins, not actually altering with the chemistry. I did read the paper on the study done on cancer, but it has been several years. This is what I got from it, but I may have read some things into it since. What it did do was impress me that these were powerful healers... and my dog thanks me.Wioria has a patent on their product, but certainly not on the cancer work that was done by others. In that work, their product was not used. The Wioria people are correct in how zeolites work, the problem is that their product is a diversion, not the real deal. I have taken more zeolites at one sitting than you would ever get from an entire bottle of Wioria.As far as I know, no definitive experimentation has ever been performed by Wioria. It was all done with natural zeolites, which are very effective and, obviously, much more dense than anything that you could ever get from that expensive little bottle of "patented" product. The sodium bicarbinate/ citric acid post was by Randy. Mixing them may or may not be counter productive, but I am guessing that it is not even though, as you suggest, the balance each other out on the pH scale.Citric acid is one recommended activator for MMS and, counter intuitively, it is an alkalizer. Personally, I do not recommend sodium bicarbonate as an alkalizer, since it can easily weaken the digestive process. The best alkalizes are green leafy vegetables.. . hands down. The bottom line is eat well and you will be naturally alkalized.You files do not open.> It appears that zeolite being in the gut will draw out toxins as it passes through. It is possible that digestive acids will break it down enough that some zeolite molecules could get in the > bloodstream. I have not found a clear explanation of how the zeolite is transported into the body. > Randy Re: zeolite Posted by: "Randy R" ranradd (DOT) com ranradd Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:31 am (PDT) [Attachment(s) from Randy R included below] Thanks for all the good information. You are probably correct in assuming that the MLM version of zeolite was watered down. I did get some benefit from it, but it didn't seem to do much for what I wanted to treat, and due to expense, I discontinued it. I've attached some of the literature the Wiora folks gave me. This includes a patent for zeolite as a cancer treatment, with very technical details. The other is a simple description of how zeolite works. As you recommend, I'll look for a source of zeolite that is not so expensive. The concept still seems correct as a way to remove toxins from the body. Regarding sodium bicarbonate, why do you mix it with citric acid? Would this not tend to neutralize it? While I didn't mention Arm & Hammer specifically, I had read that they might use aluminum so steered away from it. It is very easy to buy pure inexpensive sodium bicarb at a health food store, so this is what I do. The two attachments are PDF files. I you are unable to open them, I'll see if I can post them directly on the site. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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On 12/10/2009, at 10:13 AM, Randy R wrote: Thanks for the info on liquid zeolite. Interesting. The person I bought it from is a good friend, so of course I just believed her that Wiora's was best. Think I spent about $350 or so on small bottles. After reviewing the ETS Zeolite site and the Bear River Zeolite page, I'm convinced that ETS has simply purchased their ultra fine grade, put it in a nice container, and marked the price up about 10 times. Also Bear River will ship a gallon of power for $5 and ETS will ship 660 grams for $11.95. ETS says that 660 grams is = to 134 teaspoons. There are 768 teaspoons in a gallon, 5.7 times as much. ETS = $.57 a teaspoon, Bear River = $.05 a teaspoon. Sorry about the attachments not opening. I was afraid of that. I can send to you direct if you like. The idea in the patent was to inject or apply the zeolite in water directly to the cancer. This would usually have to be done by a doctor or surgeon. The patent shows pictures of of the cancer cell destruction after adding zeolite. Randy From: Jim <huuman60comcast (DOT) net>Subject: Re: zeolite Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:28 AM Your last post was impressive and I am in total agreement with you... and your attitude :0)My understanding was always that zeolites never actually enter the vascular system and they do their work by passing through the digestive tract all the while absorbing toxins. In the process, they have an alkalizing effect on the body. Since I was told that they are inert, I would assume that the effect would be accomplished by cleaning up the tract of acidifying toxins, not actually altering with the chemistry. I did read the paper on the study done on cancer, but it has been several years. This is what I got from it, but I may have read some things into it since. What it did do was impress me that these were powerful healers... and my dog thanks me.Wioria has a patent on their product, but certainly not on the cancer work that was done by others. In that work, their product was not used. The Wioria people are correct in how zeolites work, the problem is that their product is a diversion, not the real deal. I have taken more zeolites at one sitting than you would ever get from an entire bottle of Wioria.As far as I know, no definitive experimentation has ever been performed by Wioria. It was all done with natural zeolites, which are very effective and, obviously, much more dense than anything that you could ever get from that expensive little bottle of "patented" product. The sodium bicarbinate/ citric acid post was by Randy. Mixing them may or may not be counter productive, but I am guessing that it is not even though, as you suggest, the balance each other out on the pH scale.Citric acid is one recommended activator for MMS and, counter intuitively, it is an alkalizer. Personally, I do not recommend sodium bicarbonate as an alkalizer, since it can easily weaken the digestive process. The best alkalizes are green leafy vegetables.. . hands down. The bottom line is eat well and you will be naturally alkalized.You files do not open.> It appears that zeolite being in the gut will draw out toxins as it passes through. It is possible that digestive acids will break it down enough that some zeolite molecules could get in the > bloodstream. I have not found a clear explanation of how the zeolite is transported into the body. > Randy Re: zeolite Posted by: "Randy R" ranradd (DOT) com ranradd Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:31 am (PDT) [Attachment(s) from Randy R included below] Thanks for all the good information. You are probably correct in assuming that the MLM version of zeolite was watered down. I did get some benefit from it, but it didn't seem to do much for what I wanted to treat, and due to expense, I discontinued it. I've attached some of the literature the Wiora folks gave me. This includes a patent for zeolite as a cancer treatment, with very technical details. The other is a simple description of how zeolite works. As you recommend, I'll look for a source of zeolite that is not so expensive. The concept still seems correct as a way to remove toxins from the body. Regarding sodium bicarbonate, why do you mix it with citric acid? Would this not tend to neutralize it? While I didn't mention Arm & Hammer specifically, I had read that they might use aluminum so steered away from it. It is very easy to buy pure inexpensive sodium bicarb at a health food store, so this is what I do. The two attachments are PDF files. I you are unable to open them, I'll see if I can post them directly on the site. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm not finding zeolite in the local health food stores. Can anyone tell me if this stuff, which I found on-line, is any good? http://www.ambayagold.com/zeolite.html?gclid=CLSZ-NCKuJ0CFRcjawodbzYQiA ********** Looking for intelligent conversation? Visit Digna-Petamus (That's Latin for " Let us seek worthy things. " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Well, guess I'll respond. The Ambaya Zeolite site is one of the ones I was refering to when I mentioned that many zeolite sites are full of hype. Some of their statements are very generalized, but worded to sound exciting and plausible. This is another site that says they use humic, and fulvic acids in their formula. I can find no mention of where they obtain their zeolite. This is a liquid zeolite, not a powder. Their formula contains many other mineral elements that may be helpful for some people. Is this a good product? I have no real idea. It is pricy. You will have to try it and report back if it has helped you. Personally I'm leaning toward the powder forms at this time. Randy From: aljuarez@... <aljuarez@...>Subject: Re: zeolite Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 10:59 AM I'm not finding zeolite in the local health food stores. Can anyone tell me if this stuff, which I found on-line, is any good? http://www.ambayago ld.com/zeolite. html?gclid= CLSZ-NCKuJ0CFRcj awodbzYQiA **********Looking for intelligent conversation?Visit http://groups. / group/Digna- Petamus (That's Latin for "Let us seek worthy things.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Buy it in ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Yeah, I have fungus amoung us and canadida, and online to try to find a way to remove it.. thanks for the advice on zeolite, I will get some.. robert from columbus, ohio, wet and cold columbus, go buckeyes > > > From: Jim <huuman60@...> > Subject: Re:zeolite > > Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:44 AM > > > > > > > Hi All: > > Ranradd: > > What you say is correct till you get down the the MLM product, Waiora. This is a weak substitute for the real deal. No one has ever tested it against cancer. In fact, Michigan State did an exciting study using granular zeolites on rats that never made your local newspaper. Imagine that... a " cure " for cancer that cost almost nothing and never saw the light of day. > > You could take hundreds of dollars worth of Waiora and never see any results... Or you could take a few tablespoons of granular zeolite powder a day and you would almost be guaranteed some improvements. > > Gjwest: > > You get no herx reaction from zeolites because they remove harmful toxins from the body that cause the problems by compromising your immune system and setting up an environment for disease. > > West: > > You can buy ten pounds of zeolite powder for less than fifty dollars on the web... the best investment in terms of payback that you will ever encounter if you take it in quantity. Remember though, we are talking about basically eating sand, so it is not all that palatable. I give it to my dog wrapped up in raw hamburger and it has cured him of cancer several times... large cancers the size of your fist just disappear in a few weeks. I can verify that, this stuff is good! > > Randy: > > Baking soda and citric acid will not get rid of toxins. They help alkalize your system... but zeolites have that effect also. > > The aluminum scare was just that... plain ole' Arm & Hammer Baking soda has no aluminum in it. A & H actually put a note on their box after they got wind of that. Some boxes say it and some don't, but they are all the same product. Baking soda is a safe product, but you should not use it around mealtime, since it reduces your digestive acids. > > The bottom line is: buy granular only and take lots of it. There is no theoretical maximum... the greater the amount that better the effect. This stuff is totally inert. My eighty pound Golden Retriever gets three tablespoons a day when I detect a growth. > > Regards, > Jim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Just read that COCONUT OIL will help get rid of Canadida, as well as, the effects of early Alzheimers. Hal > > > > > > From: Jim <huuman60@> > > Subject: Re:zeolite > > > > Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All: > > > > Ranradd: > > > > What you say is correct till you get down the the MLM product, Waiora. This is a weak substitute for the real deal. No one has ever tested it against cancer. In fact, Michigan State did an exciting study using granular zeolites on rats that never made your local newspaper. Imagine that... a " cure " for cancer that cost almost nothing and never saw the light of day. > > > > You could take hundreds of dollars worth of Waiora and never see any results... Or you could take a few tablespoons of granular zeolite powder a day and you would almost be guaranteed some improvements. > > > > Gjwest: > > > > You get no herx reaction from zeolites because they remove harmful toxins from the body that cause the problems by compromising your immune system and setting up an environment for disease. > > > > West: > > > > You can buy ten pounds of zeolite powder for less than fifty dollars on the web... the best investment in terms of payback that you will ever encounter if you take it in quantity. Remember though, we are talking about basically eating sand, so it is not all that palatable. I give it to my dog wrapped up in raw hamburger and it has cured him of cancer several times... large cancers the size of your fist just disappear in a few weeks. I can verify that, this stuff is good! > > > > Randy: > > > > Baking soda and citric acid will not get rid of toxins. They help alkalize your system... but zeolites have that effect also. > > > > The aluminum scare was just that... plain ole' Arm & Hammer Baking soda has no aluminum in it. A & H actually put a note on their box after they got wind of that. Some boxes say it and some don't, but they are all the same product. Baking soda is a safe product, but you should not use it around mealtime, since it reduces your digestive acids. > > > > The bottom line is: buy granular only and take lots of it. There is no theoretical maximum... the greater the amount that better the effect. This stuff is totally inert. My eighty pound Golden Retriever gets three tablespoons a day when I detect a growth. > > > > Regards, > > Jim > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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