Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i have a problem sleeping

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> > i also probably have candida but i don't see any quick fixes for that. i am using diet and coconut oil but that's slow.Re Candida, I recently read this on another discussion group about treating candida by changing the pH of the body. Do you check your pH? Being too acidic feeds fungus (candida). See below for what i copied from the Iodine discussion group..."Some antifungals that come to mind are oregano oil, graviola, oleander (yes, itis poisonous in large quantities, but in low quantities, it wipes out fungus),baking soda, goldenseal, black walnut hulls, black cohosh, chamomile, gotu kola(no, it does not contain caffeine), pau d'arco, tumeric root, and to a lesserdegree, cinamin, cloves, and nutmeg. Most importantly, keep your system alkalineby taking dried figs, lettuce, raisins, carrots, and cucumbers. Check your urinealkalinity in the morning when you wake up - if it is over pH =6.8, you're ingood shape. If the pH is over 7.4, all fungal growth is stopped. If the pH isover 8.1, you can actually kill off fungus. Raise your pH significantly bytaking 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda three times per day."I've been taking a teaspoon of baking soda in water before bed for a few months and I check my pH in the morning and it is always over 7 and I'm noticing less and less candida symptoms but i haven't tested for candida yet. Baking soda has been more effective for me than all the other remedies and diet changes I've tried for candida. It's cheap and easy too. in Albuquerque

[Guest guest]

treat the candida with stronger supplement like oregano oil,

>

> i had accustomed myself to the 4.5 dose and was sleeping better than i ever

had in my life. i didn't notice any other positive effects but that one was

great. now all of a sudden, the sleep disturbance from the beginning is

back. any thoughts?

>

> i also probably have candida but i don't see any quick fixes for that. i am

using diet and coconut oil but that's slow.

>

[Guest guest]

This makes me wonder if there is an 'accumulation' of some sort going on..??...

ie; maybe the 4.5mg is too high a dose ??

You could try EOD...(every other day) -- or drop down to 3mg.

Dunno..just some thoughts ??

Best wishes,

Jann

[Guest guest]

How do you know to associate the sleep disturbance to low dose Naltrexone? Is

it an easy fall guy?

Since you mention candida yeast issues, perhaps you should sign on to Dr

MCcandless's Autism_ldn group and read the FILES section for her recommendations

in dealing with Candida alibcans and other opportunistic infections so that LDN

can be more effective for you.

I assume that, in addition to adding at leat 3 tablespoons of virgin coconut oil

to your daily diet, your diet is free of ALL carbohydrates and fermented foods

other than plain yoghurt and kefir. Yes, it is slow going, but any carbs will

provide fuel for the yeasts.

Hope this helps

mjh

>

> i had accustomed myself to the 4.5 dose and was sleeping better than i ever

had in my life. i didn't notice any other positive effects but that one was

great. now all of a sudden, the sleep disturbance from the beginning is

back. any thoughts?

>

> i also probably have candida but i don't see any quick fixes for that. i am

using diet and coconut oil but that's slow.

>

[Guest guest]

tha

nks both you for replying. i am sure it is ldn that is disturbing the sleep.

it's the same type of disturance i had at the beginning of treatment. exactly.

it is curious. does this mean it's working or not working?

i am working on the candida diet. i wonder how the candida prevents ldn from

working. i wonder if the renewed sleep issue is the ldn kicking into higher

gear. as if it is impacting me for the " first itme " .

no one else seems to have had this issue i guess or i would have heard from

them.

susan

-- In low dose naltrexone , " jannz2 " <jbreslin@...> wrote:

>

> This makes me wonder if there is an 'accumulation' of some sort going

on..??... ie; maybe the 4.5mg is too high a dose ??

>

> You could try EOD...(every other day) -- or drop down to 3mg.

>

> Dunno..just some thoughts ??

>

> Best wishes,

> Jann

>

[Guest guest]

and all,

I wonder if there is any predictablity as to whether LDN will help or hurt

sleep? I am taking 3 mg at bedtime and sleeping like a baby, no more anxiety

attacks, just nice sound sleep and HAPPY in the morning. If I forget to take

it one night I do not sleep well, but wake with the 3 am craziness going on.

I have bad reactions to SSRIs which make me crazy and wired. I also cannot

take novacaine for dental work - gives me face pain for a week afterward.

Lyrica helped my sleep symptoms, but I could not tolerate the vertigo and

developed rapidly growing cataracts in 3 months on 300 mg a day. I also have

never been able to drink alcohol and do not feel good with even a half glass

of wine. I do not like the buzz and brain fog.

For the biochemists among us, does this give any clues?

a

i am sure it is ldn that is disturbing the sleep. it's the same type of

disturance i had at the beginning of treatment. exactly. it is curious. does

this mean it's working or not working?

susan

[Guest guest]

Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that

it’s not working.

I’ve had some candida, but am on the SCD diet and that has

made a lot of difference. That works extremely well while taking LDN.

n

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Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:42 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i have

a problem sleeping

tha

nks both you for replying. i am sure it is ldn that is disturbing the sleep.

it's the same type of disturance i had at the beginning of treatment. exactly.

it is curious. does this mean it's working or not working?

i am working on the candida diet. i wonder how the candida prevents ldn from

working. i wonder if the renewed sleep issue is the ldn kicking into higher

gear. as if it is impacting me for the " first itme " .

no one else seems to have had this issue i guess or i would have heard from

them.

susan

-- In low dose naltrexone ,

" jannz2 " <jbreslin@...> wrote:

>

> This makes me wonder if there is an 'accumulation' of some sort going

on..??... ie; maybe the 4.5mg is too high a dose ??

>

> You could try EOD...(every other day) -- or drop down to 3mg.

>

> Dunno..just some thoughts ??

>

> Best wishes,

> Jann

>

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RE: Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it's not working.You know I not so sure we should use the "sleep issue vs disturbed sleep issue" as a measurable indicator to LDN's effectiveness. Because if this were true, then what about all the folks who do NOT have any sleep issues with LDN and are receiving health benefits. ??? Just my take...Jann

[Guest guest]

Can someone give a rationale as to why disordered sleep would indicate LDN

was working? I don't get that.

a

RE: Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it's

not working.

You know I not so sure we should use the " sleep issue vs disturbed sleep

issue " as a measurable indicator to LDN's effectiveness. Because if this

were true, then what about all the folks who do NOT have any sleep issues

with LDN and are receiving health benefits. ???

Just my take...

Jann

[Guest guest]

A disturbed sleep while using LDN would probably indicate endorphins are being

produced in abundance.

Art

---

>

> Can someone give a rationale as to why disordered sleep would indicate LDN

> was working? I don't get that.

> a

>

> RE: Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it's

> not working.

>

> You know I not so sure we should use the " sleep issue vs disturbed sleep

> issue " as a measurable indicator to LDN's effectiveness. Because if this

> were true, then what about all the folks who do NOT have any sleep issues

> with LDN and are receiving health benefits. ???

>

> Just my take...

> Jann

>

[Guest guest]

So the receptors for endorphins are blocked for 6 hours, and the body is

producing more than normal amts. of endorphins which are not being taken up

by the receptors. These endorphins floating around keep you awake? I can

understand this with a bad reaction to an SSRI - too much serotonin hangin

out. Would excess endorphins make a person feel wired as well?

a

A disturbed sleep while using LDN would probably indicate endorphins are

being produced in abundance.

Art

---

[Guest guest]

Is the question as to whether it is " working " (whatever that means for

people just starting on it) or that it is definitely in our bodies

having some effect? The latter to me is obvious - I mean we can't on

one hand have all these people moaning about LDN causing them sleep

problems and scaring others off even trying LDN, even though it's a

vocal minority, but then turn around and say if the LDN is causing

abnormal sleep patterns it isn't affecting our bodies or something

equally ridiculous. The sleep disturbances are caused by the extra

endorphins generated by the LDN I believe, ergo if you are having sleep

problems the LDN is creating extra endorphins as it should and therefore

should have a positive effect on your health.

a Carnes wrote:

> Can someone give a rationale as to why disordered sleep would indicate LDN

> was working? I don't get that.

> a

>

> RE: Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it's

> not working.

>

[Guest guest]

n:

Tell us again what the SCD diet stands for. I want to google for

more info. Thanks.

Carole

---- Original Message ----

From: mvantil@...

low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later

i have a problem sleeping

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:39:46 -0400

>Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it’s

>not

>working.

>

>I’ve had some candida, but am on the SCD diet and that has made a lot

>of

>difference. That works extremely well while taking LDN.

>

>n

>

>

>

>From: low dose naltrexone

>[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of

>sletteer@...

>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:42 PM

>low dose naltrexone

>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i

>have a

>problem sleeping

>

>

>

>

>tha

>nks both you for replying. i am sure it is ldn that is disturbing the

>sleep.

>it's the same type of disturance i had at the beginning of treatment.

>exactly. it is curious. does this mean it's working or not working?

>i am working on the candida diet. i wonder how the candida prevents

>ldn from

>working. i wonder if the renewed sleep issue is the ldn kicking into

>higher

>gear. as if it is impacting me for the " first itme " .

>no one else seems to have had this issue i guess or i would have

>heard from

>them.

>susan

>

>-- In HYPERLINK

> " mailto:low dose naltrexone%40 " low dose naltrexone@gr

>oups.co

>m, " jannz2 " <jbreslin@...> wrote:

>>

>> This makes me wonder if there is an 'accumulation' of some sort

>going

>on..??... ie; maybe the 4.5mg is too high a dose ??

>>

>> You could try EOD...(every other day) -- or drop down to 3mg.

>>

>> Dunno..just some thoughts ??

>>

>> Best wishes,

>> Jann

>>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I made that comment, referring to people who began to have “disordered

sleep” (I would call it, in my case anyway, episodes of frequent waking) when

they began taking LDN. In my case, I could feel it having an effect, and the

changed sleep pattern was part of it. I felt that on the very first night. I

didn’t say, nor assume, that everyone who takes LDN has sleep problems, or that

if you don’t, the LDN’s not working.

n

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Behalf Of a Carnes

Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:28 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i

have a problem sleeping

Can someone give a rationale as to why

disordered sleep would indicate LDN

was working? I don't get that.

a

RE: Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it's

not working.

You know I not so sure we should use the " sleep issue vs disturbed sleep

issue " as a measurable indicator to LDN's effectiveness. Because if this

were true, then what about all the folks who do NOT have any sleep issues

with LDN and are receiving health benefits. ???

Just my take...

Jann

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Specific Carbohydrate Diet

www.scdiet.org

http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/scd/scd.html

www.nomorecrohns.com

http://www.scdiet.org/2recipes/indexa.html

(and other sites)

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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:08 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i

have a problem sleeping

n:

Tell us again what the SCD diet stands for. I want to google for

more info. Thanks.

Carole

---- Original Message ----

From: mvantil@...

low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later

i have a problem sleeping

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:39:46 -0400

>Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it’s

>not

>working.

>

>I’ve had some candida, but am on the SCD diet and that has made a lot

>of

>difference. That works extremely well while taking LDN.

>

>n

>

>

>

>From: low dose naltrexone

>[mailto:low dose naltrexone ]

On Behalf Of

>sletteer@...

>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:42 PM

>low dose naltrexone

>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i

>have a

>problem sleeping

>

>

>

>

>tha

>nks both you for replying. i am sure it is ldn that is disturbing the

>sleep.

>it's the same type of disturance i had at the beginning of treatment.

>exactly. it is curious. does this mean it's working or not working?

>i am working on the candida diet. i wonder how the candida prevents

>ldn from

>working. i wonder if the renewed sleep issue is the ldn kicking into

>higher

>gear. as if it is impacting me for the " first itme " .

>no one else seems to have had this issue i guess or i would have

>heard from

>them.

>susan

>

>-- In HYPERLINK

> " mailto:low dose naltrexone%40 " low dose naltrexone@gr

>oups.co

>m, " jannz2 " <jbreslin@...> wrote:

>>

>> This makes me wonder if there is an 'accumulation' of some sort

>going

>on..??... ie; maybe the 4.5mg is too high a dose ??

>>

>> You could try EOD...(every other day) -- or drop down to 3mg.

>>

>> Dunno..just some thoughts ??

>>

>> Best wishes,

>> Jann

>>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

So why do some sleep better and some do not sleep well at all? Have you ever

had a " wired " reaction to any other drug? Cough syrup? Epinephrine? SSRIs?

Have you ever taken Prozac or Paxil and how did you feel on that? I feel

wired on them, but sleep with LDN. I am trying to find some distinguishing

factor between us.

a

I made that comment, referring to people who began to have " disordered

sleep " (I would call it, in my case anyway, episodes of frequent waking)

when they began taking LDN. In my case, I could feel it having an effect,

and the changed sleep pattern was part of it. I felt that on the very first

night. I didn't say, nor assume, that everyone who takes LDN has sleep

problems, or that if you don't, the LDN's not working.

n

[Guest guest]

RE: So why do some sleep better and some do not sleep well at all? Have

you ever

> had a " wired " reaction to any other drug? Cough syrup? Epinephrine?

SSRIs?

> Have you ever taken Prozac or Paxil and how did you feel on that? I

feel

> wired on them, but sleep with LDN. I am trying to find some

distinguishing

> factor between us.

I see what you're trying to compare by asking if someone reacts the

opposite of an expected drug response.... but to keep this comparison

relative [ 'apples to apples' ] -- I'd ask how someone reacts to

higher levels of endorphins by OTHER means; ie; exercise, sex,

acupuncture, etc Also, it's a hard comparison because I think the

effects of LDN induced endorphins last longer than by OTHER means --

something like up to 72hrs

[Guest guest]

I think you are on to something regarding the longevity of the endorphins. I

have never had a experience or medication affect my sleep like LDN did when I

first started taking it. I have been on it now for 2 months and my body is

finally getting accustomed to it. But the amount of hours I sleep is still

between 4 and 5 hours nightly.

________________________________

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf of jannz2

Sent: Wed 3/25/2009 10:37 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i have a

problem sleeping

RE: So why do some sleep better and some do not sleep well at all? Have

you ever

> had a " wired " reaction to any other drug? Cough syrup? Epinephrine?

SSRIs?

> Have you ever taken Prozac or Paxil and how did you feel on that? I

feel

> wired on them, but sleep with LDN. I am trying to find some

distinguishing

> factor between us.

I see what you're trying to compare by asking if someone reacts the

opposite of an expected drug response.... but to keep this comparison

relative [ 'apples to apples' ] -- I'd ask how someone reacts to

higher levels of endorphins by OTHER means; ie; exercise, sex,

acupuncture, etc Also, it's a hard comparison because I think the

effects of LDN induced endorphins last longer than by OTHER means --

something like up to 72hrs

[Guest guest]

Yes, I feel very wired when on prednisone, especially when I

first start taking it; and sometimes, short-term, if I use my asthma inhaler a

little extra. But feeling wired on steroids is a pretty common reaction. I know

I’ve had a similar feeling with a few other drugs, but I can’t think which

right now – and I seldom take drugs anymore if I can help it, because I react strongly

in some way to most; usually need a lower dose than “normal.” Some cough

syrups, yes, I’ve had the “wired” reaction. Also Benadryl, if I remember. I’m

only having that reaction to LDN if I take what appears to be too much of it

for me. I can’t handle 4.5 mg. At least, not yet. I’m on about 3 mg right now,

up from 2 for a couple of weeks.

I’m not feeling wired now, as I was the day after I took 4.5 mg,

but am very easily feeling sort of on the verge of a kind of stress reaction

part of the time: neck and shoulder muscles tighten, I feel a wave of cramps in

my gut, heart rate rises. It’s hard to explain; it’s not constant. It actually

began at the end of last week when I did have to deal with a stressful

situation for about four days. Now, I’m having to work at getting my body not

to react in stress to the slightest untoward thing. When I feel it I have to

force myself to breathe deeply and consciously relax my muscles. When I did

that last night in bed – in the early morning, when I usually wake up since

being on LDN -- I was able to go back to sleep a little more quickly. I’m

usually awake for an hour, or often two, starting at about 5 a.m. these days. I

assume that’s going to improve as I get more used to the LDN.

n

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Behalf Of a Carnes

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:13 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i

have a problem sleeping

So why do some sleep better and some do not

sleep well at all? Have you ever

had a " wired " reaction to any other drug? Cough syrup? Epinephrine?

SSRIs?

Have you ever taken Prozac or Paxil and how did you feel on that? I feel

wired on them, but sleep with LDN. I am trying to find some distinguishing

factor between us.

a

I made that comment, referring to people who began to have " disordered

sleep " (I would call it, in my case anyway, episodes of frequent waking)

when they began taking LDN. In my case, I could feel it having an effect,

and the changed sleep pattern was part of it. I felt that on the very first

night. I didn't say, nor assume, that everyone who takes LDN has sleep

problems, or that if you don't, the LDN's not working.

n

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[Guest guest]

This has become the most asked

question recently. I've answered it many times already.

There is a lot of opinion and judgment abroad in the land. Some people,

especially MS victims, believe night time dosing is the only way it

works and follow Dr. Bahari’s protocol. Some studies in Italy

counteract that. The jury is still out. Take it in the daytime if you

can’t sleep properly at night. Good sleep is very important to ones

health! According to Dr. Zagon, the founder of LDN, it will work at any

time you take it!!!

Nighttime didn’t work for me no matter what dosage I took over a 6

month period, but morning dosing allowed me to take 4.5 mg with no

problems. You be the judge. Good luck.

P Fox

[Guest guest]

--------------SLEEPING PILLS!------------------

hey guys, I real new to all this,maybe I am missing something. Why can't the

people having sleep problems, just take the sleep pill?

low dose naltrexone , " a Carnes " <pj7@...> wrote:

>

> Can someone give a rationale as to why disordered sleep would indicate LDN

> was working? I don't get that.

> a

>

> RE: Sleep disturbance with LDN would indicate its working, not that it's

> not working.

>

> You know I not so sure we should use the " sleep issue vs disturbed sleep

> issue " as a measurable indicator to LDN's effectiveness. Because if this

> were true, then what about all the folks who do NOT have any sleep issues

> with LDN and are receiving health benefits. ???

>

> Just my take...

> Jann

>

[Guest guest]

I do not think it is the endorphins that are related to the sleep effects of

LDN. I get acupuncture frequently. Very often...after about ten minutes of the

needles being in I fall into a *deep* and often dreamless sleep. It sometimes

seems as if I have just closed my eyes when the session is over and an hour has

passed. It is obvious to me that the acupuncture stimulates my body to produce a

lot of endorphins.

Invariably I almost *always* feel 'centered' and 'good' after an acupuncture

session. This feeling lasts at least several hours.

Of course, these could be different endorphins than those produced by LDN.

Also...the sleeplessness is usually the strongest during the period the

endorphins are *blocked*, yes?

My guess is that the people taking LDN usually are suffering from symptoms

caused the the illness that LDN is being taken for. It could be that the body's

endorphins helped to mask these symptoms (pain, restless leg, stomach issues,

etc.) during sleep.

When a person first takes LDN at night...there is no longer this natural 'opiate

masking' and poor sleep results. As the body gets used to this..it compensates

somehow and sleep returns to normal. For some people...some symptoms may resolve

due to the LDN and sleep becomes easier due to feeling better in general.

These are pure guesses on my part. Any thoughts?

Cheers,

McGovern

>

>

> I see what you're trying to compare by asking if someone reacts the

> opposite of an expected drug response.... but to keep this comparison

> relative [ 'apples to apples' ] -- I'd ask how someone reacts to

> higher levels of endorphins by OTHER means; ie; exercise, sex,

> acupuncture, etc Also, it's a hard comparison because I think the

> effects of LDN induced endorphins last longer than by OTHER means --

> something like up to 72hrs

>

[Guest guest]

,

I agree based on my own experience that the sleeplessness occurs while the

receptors are blocked. When I took it at night I would fall asleep easily

but I would wake up in under two hours and then would not sleep deeply at all

until morning for 90 minutes to 2 hours.

The sleep was not restful and I did not feel well during the day as a result.

Someone described the LDN sleep as a black sleep in a black room.

That is my experience with nighttime dosing. Not pleasant. I've been taking

LDN for 9 months and still cannot sleep when I take it at night.

Jaco

> From: McGovern <pmcg@...>

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i have a

problem sleeping

> low dose naltrexone

> Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 1:44 AM

> I do not think it is the endorphins

> that are related to the sleep effects of LDN. I get

> acupuncture frequently. Very often...after about ten minutes

> of the needles being in I fall into a *deep* and often

> dreamless sleep. It sometimes seems as if I have just closed

> my eyes when the session is over and an hour has passed. It

> is obvious to me that the acupuncture stimulates my body to

> produce a lot of endorphins.

>

> Invariably I almost *always* feel 'centered' and 'good'

> after an acupuncture session. This feeling lasts at least

> several hours.

>

> Of course, these could be different endorphins than those

> produced by LDN.

>

> Also...the sleeplessness is usually the strongest during

> the period the endorphins are *blocked*, yes? 

>

> My guess is that the people taking LDN usually are

> suffering from symptoms caused the the illness that LDN is

> being taken for. It could be that the body's endorphins

> helped to mask these symptoms (pain, restless leg, stomach

> issues, etc.) during sleep.

>

> When a person first takes LDN at night...there is no longer

> this natural 'opiate masking' and poor sleep results. As the

> body gets used to this..it compensates somehow and sleep

> returns to normal. For some people...some symptoms may

> resolve due to the LDN and sleep becomes easier due to

> feeling better in general.

>

> These are pure guesses on my part. Any thoughts?

>

> Cheers,

>

> McGovern

>

>

> >

> >

> > I see what you're trying to compare by asking if

> someone reacts the

> > opposite of an expected drug response.... but to keep

> this comparison

> > relative [ 'apples to apples' ]

> --   I'd ask how someone reacts to

> > higher levels of endorphins by OTHER

> means;   ie;  exercise, sex,

> > acupuncture, etc    Also, it's a hard

> comparison because I think the

> > effects of LDN induced endorphins last longer than by

> OTHER means --

> > something like up to 72hrs

[Guest guest]

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of McGovern

Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: delayed reaction/ 2 months later i have

a problem sleeping

I do not

think it is the endorphins that are related to the sleep effects of LDN. I get

acupuncture frequently. Very often...after about ten minutes of the needles

being in I fall into a *deep* and often dreamless sleep. It sometimes seems as

if I have just closed my eyes when the session is over and an hour has passed.

It is obvious to me that the acupuncture stimulates my body to produce a lot of

endorphins.

Wow. I’ve never had that reaction to acupuncture. It does make

me tired afterwards, though. As does massage.

[snip]

Also...the sleeplessness is usually the

strongest during the period the endorphins are *blocked*, yes?

No. At least not in my case. I sleep well early in the night,

right after I take LDN. I wake up and stay awake very early in the morning when

the LDN has worn off and endorphins are strong. But it’s gradually improving.

My guess is that the people taking LDN usually

are suffering from symptoms caused the the illness that LDN is being taken for.

It could be that the body's endorphins helped to mask these symptoms (pain,

restless leg, stomach issues, etc.) during sleep.

When a person first takes LDN at night...there is no longer this natural 'opiate

masking' and poor sleep results. As the body gets used to this..it compensates

somehow and sleep returns to normal. For some people...some symptoms may

resolve due to the LDN and sleep becomes easier due to feeling better in

general.

These are pure guesses on my part. Any

thoughts?

Cheers,

McGovern

[Guest guest]

One interesting thing though, it is said for good sleep NOT to ever excercise

within a few hours of going to bed, why? because it stimulates endorphins. This

is completely contradictory to the theory of how LDN works and my biggest

concern about it. From Stanford Sleep Hygine Tips:

" Don't exercise right before going to bed:

Exercise makes your body release endorphin hormone, which makes you cheerful and

energetic, so it might be difficult to fall asleep right after working out. "

makes me wonder about the timing theory.

Carolyn Sunday

> >

> >

> > I see what you're trying to compare by asking if someone reacts the

> > opposite of an expected drug response.... but to keep this comparison

> > relative [ 'apples to apples' ] -- I'd ask how someone reacts to

> > higher levels of endorphins by OTHER means; ie; exercise, sex,

> > acupuncture, etc Also, it's a hard comparison because I think the

> > effects of LDN induced endorphins last longer than by OTHER means --

> > something like up to 72hrs

> >

>