Re: Re: Suicidal thoughts

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I can believe how hard it is to have your daughter away from you. Today I wanted

to pop into my son's school just to see if he was alright. I also need to check

on him in the middle of the night. It's probably more stressful to be away from

him than with him. How do we stop ourselves from taking ownership of our kids'

disease?

jpfolkert@... wrote: I have to chime in on the

response from and whomever else

being afraid their son would kill himself.

Dd, is away at college. We have had a couple of real lows, things

happening to her that she couldn't handle very well. It is so hard not

being able to keep an eye on her. She wants to be at this college

and it is good for her to try to be responsible on her own because

she depends very heavily on me and we are very close. I just have

to trust in God that he will take care of her. Very difficult! Most

people could not fathom having those thoughts have fear for your

child. They think, yes, life is stressful at college, kids get emotional

but then there's us with the worst fear ever that your child could take

his/her life. We just had a 16 yo girl in our area take her life. She

felt she was transgendered and over the summer was undergoing

processes outwardly to change into a boy. Her parents, friends, etc.

were behind her but apparently life just got to be too much. Before

OCD at our house, I would have " looked down my nose " thinking

those parents must have done something wrong. NO MORE!!! I

have lots of sympathy for them. She was also very intelligent,

respected by peers. So yeah! I understand!!!

F

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Does anyone know if LDN acts on dopamine? If a dopamine balance is disrupted it can bring on a rapid and severe depression.

At the low dose of 1.5 this is doubtful but definitely something to investigate.

You should absolutely seek psychological help immediately.

Praying for you,

Amy

From: evolveto2012 <evolveto2012@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Suicidal thoughtslow dose naltrexone Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 4:21 PM

Yes, I had been taking an antidepressant and stopped one year ago. I went on a taper and it was doctor supervised. Since then I have limited my consumption of sugar, caffeine, dairy, and flour to as little as possible and take a number of supplements that I believe have been helping my mood and anxiety including inositol.I had really been doing well with diet, exercise and supplements but since starting LDN I feel like I got hit by a truck. The suicidal thoughts came when I was crossing a bridge that is maybe 100 feet high on my way home. The thoughts came over me so suddenly. It was if something, some force, was trying to pull me over the railing. I started to quicken my pace to cross the bridge as fast as I could but that made it worse. I started envisioning myself leaping over the railing and the force seemed to be getting stronger. My body seemed to be electrified and in shock.I am better now. I don't feel the panic I was feeling but I

am depressed. I am with family now and will try to get some medical advise as to what to do next. ie start taking an antidepressant again.>> > > Do you take an antidepressant? Have you eliminated sugar from your diet? I've found myself, that since eliminating sugar from my diet, I don't get depressed.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 6:13 PM> > > > I started taking LDN at 1.5mg at> > > > night for 7 days for IBS before I started getting suicidal> >

> > thoughts. I did have some of the side effects> > > > mentioned here such as low blood pressure, fatigue, anxiety.> > > > I was determined to go the three months as suggested here to> > > > give my body time to adjust but had to stop when I suicidal> > > > thoughts started to enter my mind. Now that I have> > > > stopped for 3 days now I have been hit with a severe case of> > > > depression.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > > > > >

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I am sorry you have struggled with depression. You may have answered this,

but I have been busy and unable to follow posts this past week - Has the LDN

helped relieve the depression? I have two nieces who also have struggled all

their lives with this.

a

Depression is a terrible affliction. It is rampant in my family. Three

suicides and *lots* of depression.

I have been fighting it myself all my life.

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Did you go see Dr. Berkson for the ALA IV's? How long did you do the IV's? I've got Hep C as well. I do the ALA orally, I did the interferon for four months which I really regret doing it really screwed my body up! I just got my LDN today it sounds like I'm in for some fun!

Cheers Mate.

Steve

From: McGovern <pmcg@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Suicidal thoughtslow dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:20 PM

Hi a,I am taking a couple of antidepressants. ..5htp and metafolin (a form of foilc acid that helps some people with depression).The LDN does seem to be helping a little. I've only just got the evening dosing to a point where I can sleep and I definitely notice more 'endorphin-like' feelings during the day with evening dosing.The only time I am really depressed these days is when my fatigue is so bad that I can hardly engage in any physical activity. The LDN and possibly the IV ALA protocol I just went through might be helping with that.I have also recently joined a therapy group that provides me with some support. Plus I have to work with the cognitive traps my mind sets for me.One of my theories is that the body is very wise and also economical. When a person such as I is suffering from a chronic disease, the body wants to concentrate on healing and dealing with the imbalance caused by the disease. The

body finds it easier, my theory postulates, to heal when it is inside sitting down or lying down. And how to make sure the body isn't expending a lot of energy going outside engaging in the world? Make it depressed, that's how!When I'm depressed, nothing looks or sounds like it would be fun. I don't want to see people, go to the zoo, or even listen to music that I like. I'm sleepy a lot and engage in activities that require minimal brain function...like reading easy-to-read mysteries.Anyway...that' s my theory. Thanks for asking.Cheers, McGovernThanks for asking!Cheers, McGovern>> ,> I am sorry you have struggled with depression. You may have answered this,> but I have been busy and

unable to follow posts this past week - Has the LDN> helped relieve the depression?

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I just attended a 4 day medical conference on chronic fatigue syndrome.

Hopefully my report on it will be online soon.

One thing they presented that was curious was how they distinguish

depression from cfs. If they ask a cfs patient what they would do tomorrow

if they were suddenly well, the cfs patient would give them a LIST. If they

asked a depressed patient, the patient would sit there, think a bit, and

then say, " I don't know. "

I wonder where you fit in this? Also, I hasten to add, that I guess if you

had mood swings like bi-polar it would depend on how you felt that day,

right?

a

Hi a,

I am taking a couple of antidepressants...5htp and metafolin (a form of

foilc acid that helps some people with depression).

The LDN does seem to be helping a little. I've only just got the evening

dosing to a point where I can sleep and I definitely notice more

'endorphin-like' feelings during the day with evening dosing.

The only time I am really depressed these days is when my fatigue is so bad

that I can hardly engage in any physical activity. The LDN and possibly the

IV ALA protocol I just went through might be helping with that.

I have also recently joined a therapy group that provides me with some

support. Plus I have to work with the cognitive traps my mind sets for me.

One of my theories is that the body is very wise and also economical. When a

person such as I is suffering from a chronic disease, the body wants to

concentrate on healing and dealing with the imbalance caused by the disease.

The body finds it easier, my theory postulates, to heal when it is inside

sitting down or lying down. And how to make sure the body isn't expending a

lot of energy going outside engaging in the world? Make it depressed, that's

how!

When I'm depressed, nothing looks or sounds like it would be fun. I don't

want to see people, go to the zoo, or even listen to music that I like. I'm

sleepy a lot and engage in activities that require minimal brain

function...like reading easy-to-read mysteries.

Anyway...that's my theory. Thanks for asking.

Cheers,

McGovern

Thanks for asking!

Cheers,

McGovern

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Interferon is often prescribed for the rare cancer I suffer from and I can tell

you without reservation that even in low doses it reduces quality of life

significantly and does little in the way of improvement. I can't say if it

would improve hepatitis, but I believe LDN is a much more comprehensive

treatment, not limited to cytokine supplementation, and would thus be much more

effective.

Jaco

> From: McGovern <pmcg@...>

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Suicidal thoughts

> low dose naltrexone

> Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 3:24 AM

> Hi Steve,

>

> I was all set to see Dr. Berskon and then SuziQ from this

> site helped me to find a naturopath in Portland who would do

> the same thing (at about the same cost), So I had about two

> weeks of twice daily IV drips of ALA (totaling 1,000mg a

> day) along with 4G of mehtylated B12 each day.

>

> My hepatologists *strongly* recommended interferon but I

> kept reading horror stories of the side effects, some of

> them permanent. My liver is already in bad shape (cirrhosis)

> and I suffer from chronic fatigue as well so I didn't

> want to take the chance of ending up still having the virus

> and a more screwed up body.

>

> There is a helpful group (like this one) that is

> specifically devoted to alternate treatments for Hepatitis

> (including Hepatitis C ). You can find it at:

>

> Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternatives 

>

> Joyce, the moderator, is passionate about alternative

> treatments (including LDN) for Hepatitis as they helped turn

> her daughter's Hepatitis B around. She has lots of

> resources in the 'files' section of that site. Plus

> there is an ongoing discussion of what people are doing and

> how it is helping.

>

> It's a much smaller group than this, but it seems to be

> slowly growing.

>

> It's too soon to tell if the ALA has helped. I would

> say I feel at least a little bit better than before I did

> it, but it's been hard to tell as I started the LDN at

> the same time and I had a little trouble getting my body

> adjusted to it.

>

> The people in this group and the other are very helpful and

> many are eager to share their knowledge and experience.

>

> I'd be interested hearing more of your  interferon

> experience. You might do better to either post it in the

> other group or email me. It's probably not relevant to

> LDN so this group wouldn't be a good place for that

> discussion!

>

> Keep us posted about your LDN experience!

>

> Cheers,

>

> McGovern

>

>

> >

> > ,

> >    Did you go see Dr. Berkson for the ALA

> IV's? How long did you do the IV's? I've got Hep

> C as well. I do the ALA orally, I did the interferon for

> four months which I really regret doing it really screwed my

> body up! I just got my LDN today it sounds like I'm in

> for some fun!

> >  

> > Cheers Mate.

> > Steve

> >

>

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Please I am now overwhelmed by the amount of emails . I was checking to source the medicine for a church sister who has lou gehrigs desease. I cannot deal with all the emails.

low dose naltrexone From: jaco.b7219@...Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:54:33 -0700Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Suicidal thoughts

,Interferon is often prescribed for the rare cancer I suffer from and I can tell you without reservation that even in low doses it reduces quality of life significantly and does little in the way of improvement. I can't say if it would improve hepatitis, but I believe LDN is a much more comprehensive treatment, not limited to cytokine supplementation, and would thus be much more effective.Jaco> From: McGovern <pmcgteleport>> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Suicidal thoughts> low dose naltrexone > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 3:24 AM> Hi Steve,> > I was all set to see Dr. Berskon and then SuziQ from this> site helped me to find a naturopath in Portland who would do> the same thing (at about the same cost), So I had about two> weeks of twice daily IV drips of ALA (totaling 1,000mg a> day) along with 4G of mehtylated B12 each day.> > My hepatologists *strongly* recommended interferon but I> kept reading horror stories of the side effects, some of> them permanent. My liver is already in bad shape (cirrhosis)> and I suffer from chronic fatigue as well so I didn't> want to take the chance of ending up still having the virus> and a more screwed up body.> > There is a helpful group (like this one) that is> specifically devoted to alternate treatments for Hepatitis> (including Hepatitis C ). You can find it at:> > Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternatives > > Joyce, the moderator, is passionate about alternative> treatments (including LDN) for Hepatitis as they helped turn> her daughter's Hepatitis B around. She has lots of> resources in the 'files' section of that site. Plus> there is an ongoing discussion of what people are doing and> how it is helping.> > It's a much smaller group than this, but it seems to be> slowly growing.> > It's too soon to tell if the ALA has helped. I would> say I feel at least a little bit better than before I did> it, but it's been hard to tell as I started the LDN at> the same time and I had a little trouble getting my body> adjusted to it.> > The people in this group and the other are very helpful and> many are eager to share their knowledge and experience.> > I'd be interested hearing more of your interferon> experience. You might do better to either post it in the> other group or email me. It's probably not relevant to> LDN so this group wouldn't be a good place for that> discussion!> > Keep us posted about your LDN experience!> > Cheers,> > McGovern> > > >> > ,> > Did you go see Dr. Berkson for the ALA> IV's? How long did you do the IV's? I've got Hep> C as well. I do the ALA orally, I did the interferon for> four months which I really regret doing it really screwed my> body up! I just got my LDN today it sounds like I'm in> for some fun!> > > > Cheers Mate.> > Steve> > >

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Some of the infections carried by ticks also infect the brain causing

depression and rage. I think the world is a mess and we don't want to admit

it. We are all carrying or exposed to infections and parasites now that we

used to think of as only in a jungle or third world country.

a

bi-polar is often thyroid problems

>

> ,

> I just attended a 4 day medical conference on chronic fatigue syndrome.

> Hopefully my report on it will be online soon.

>

> One thing they presented that was curious was how they distinguish

> depression from cfs. If they ask a cfs patient what they would do tomorrow

> if they were suddenly well, the cfs patient would give them a LIST. If

they

> asked a depressed patient, the patient would sit there, think a bit, and

> then say, " I don't know. "

>

> I wonder where you fit in this? Also, I hasten to add, that I guess if you

> had mood swings like bi-polar it would depend on how you felt that day,

> right?

>

> a

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I also have huge lists. I try to do some no matter what.

a

Hi a,

That is fascinating.

I am definitely on the *LIST* side of this question! The most frustrating

thing about the fatigue is that I can't *get* to the items on my list. I'll

bet I could easily create a list of a hundred things I would do if I had

energy tomorrow. Having little energy for five years has resulted in a back

log.

Thanks for that distinction..it helps me think that my depression is under

control.

Now if I could just get some energy!

Cheers,

McGovern

>

> ,

> I just attended a 4 day medical conference on chronic fatigue syndrome.

> Hopefully my report on it will be online soon.

>

> One thing they presented that was curious was how they distinguish

> depression from cfs. If they ask a cfs patient what they would do tomorrow

> if they were suddenly well, the cfs patient would give them a LIST. If

they

> asked a depressed patient, the patient would sit there, think a bit, and

> then say, " I don't know. "

>

> I wonder where you fit in this? Also, I hasten to add, that I guess if you

> had mood swings like bi-polar it would depend on how you felt that day,

> right?

>

> a