Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 wrote: " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and the brain. " My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Could someone please tell me what the AC protocol is for transdermal DMSA? Is there one? " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and the brain. " My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Andy called TD-DMSA a 'fad'. If there is a protocol, it isn't his. If anything, keep the timing (4 hours) the same. As far as dosing, there really is no way to tell how much DMSA is being absorbed. Pam (who used TD-DMSA for 9 months and considers it wasted time) > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > the brain. " > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > Thank you > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 yeah I have to agree, smells horrible, useless wast of time and $ ________________________________ From: noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 5:45:10 PM Subject: [ ] Re: 3X a day--AC protocol Andy called TD-DMSA a 'fad'. If there is a protocol, it isn't his. If anything, keep the timing (4 hours) the same. As far as dosing, there really is no way to tell how much DMSA is being absorbed. Pam (who used TD-DMSA for 9 months and considers it wasted time) > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > the brain. " > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > Thank you > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The reason I was wondering was because if you do a google search on transdermal vs oral DMSA most of the literature that I found stated that transdermal was more effective and there were less yeast issues. I found it bizzare that transdermal was considered in these sources to be more effective. I am also having lots of yeast issues. We have been chelating with AC protocol since September 2008 (every weekend, every 3 hours, 25 mg). Everything was going great until a January. He almost seemed to regress a little. He is more irritable, noncompliant, and acting yeasty. I am at my wits end with this yeast! Nothing seems to work! I wish I had a magic protocol. From: noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> Subject: [ ] Re: 3X a day--AC protocol Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:45 PM Andy called TD-DMSA a 'fad'. If there is a protocol, it isn't his. If anything, keep the timing (4 hours) the same. As far as dosing, there really is no way to tell how much DMSA is being absorbed. Pam (who used TD-DMSA for 9 months and considers it wasted time) > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > the brain. " > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > Thank you > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Have you looked at the neutrophils info in the files section? How about taking a break for a while to get yeast under control? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, K S <kamstone6@...> wrote: > The reason I was wondering was because if you do a google search on > transdermal vs oral DMSA most of the literature that I found stated that > transdermal was more effective and there were less yeast issues. I found it > bizzare that transdermal was considered in these sources to be more > effective. I am also having lots of yeast issues. We have been chelating > with AC protocol since September 2008 (every weekend, every 3 hours, 25 > mg). Everything was going great until a January. He almost seemed to > regress a little. He is more irritable, noncompliant, and acting yeasty. I > am at my wits end with this yeast! Nothing seems to work! I wish I had a > magic protocol. > > > > From: noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: 3X a day--AC protocol > > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:45 PM > > > > > > > Andy called TD-DMSA a 'fad'. If there is a protocol, it isn't his. If > anything, keep the timing (4 hours) the same. As far as dosing, there really > is no way to tell how much DMSA is being absorbed. > > Pam (who used TD-DMSA for 9 months and considers it wasted time) > > > > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > > the brain. " > > > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said > orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there > concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should > say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > > Thank you > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 It's still every four hours. There is a dosing adjustment for transdermal...Dana or do you know what it is? Anyone else? > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > the brain. " > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > Thank you > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 lets say that this same thing has not been seen on this board with people using TD. There is still yeast. And it is not more effective. The same or less usually. Depends upon absorption. You would have to look at who paid for those sources of information...the companies who make or sell TD? But..I agree with yeast being a burden. It is hard and at some point in chelation will get easier to deal with. Honestly, td will still cause yeast..it's not swallowing the chelator that causes it, it's the metals being passed out of the gut...there is no way to by pass that one! So I can't say for sure that Td will reduce his yeast any. What are you using for yeast? What have you tried already? What kind of probiotics? It is common to see regressions off an on. We did too. But yeah, yeast can be behind that. How are his adrenals? That can cause irritability too. Not sure what you tried already but let us know..maybe someone has ideas for that yeast. > > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > > the brain. " > > > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > > Thank you > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Just to add my story- used TD on no-yeast child and got yeast! Really bad- used nysantin and diflucan. TD can cause yeast as well. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed [ ] Re: 3X a day--AC protocol lets say that this same thing has not been seen on this board with people using TD. There is still yeast. And it is not more effective. The same or less usually. Depends upon absorption. You would have to look at who paid for those sources of information...the companies who make or sell TD? But..I agree with yeast being a burden. It is hard and at some point in chelation will get easier to deal with. Honestly, td will still cause yeast..it's not swallowing the chelator that causes it, it's the metals being passed out of the gut...there is no way to by pass that one! So I can't say for sure that Td will reduce his yeast any. What are you using for yeast? What have you tried already? What kind of probiotics? It is common to see regressions off an on. We did too. But yeah, yeast can be behind that. How are his adrenals? That can cause irritability too. Not sure what you tried already but let us know..maybe someone has ideas for that yeast. > > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > > the brain. " > > > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > > Thank you > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Sounds similar to our experience. So far a yeast flare up was the only set back we have seen from Cutler protocol. Everything else has been progress. Nystatin at 1,000,000 IU, four times a day knocked the yeast on its head. Biotin has been good for keeping it in check. We kept going with Cutler protocol and haven't had a yeast issue since. K S wrote: > > The reason I was wondering was because if you do a google search on > transdermal vs oral DMSA most of the literature that I found stated > that transdermal was more effective and there were less yeast issues. > I found it bizzare that transdermal was considered in these sources to > be more effective. I am also having lots of yeast issues. We have > been chelating with AC protocol since September 2008 (every weekend, > every 3 hours, 25 mg). Everything was going great until a January. > He almost seemed to regress a little. He is more irritable, > noncompliant, and acting yeasty. I am at my wits end with this > yeast! Nothing seems to work! I wish I had a magic protocol. > > > > From: noaholiviaian <phaselow@... <mailto:phaselow%40wi.rr.com>> > Subject: [ ] Re: 3X a day--AC protocol > > <mailto: %40> > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:45 PM > > Andy called TD-DMSA a 'fad'. If there is a protocol, it isn't his. If > anything, keep the timing (4 hours) the same. As far as dosing, there > really is no way to tell how much DMSA is being absorbed. > > Pam (who used TD-DMSA for 9 months and considers it wasted time) > > > > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > > the brain. " > > > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she > said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is > there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should > say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > > Thank you > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 > It's still every four hours. > There is a dosing adjustment for transdermal...Dana or do you know what it is? Anyone else? I don't know if Andy even recommends a protocol for transdermal. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 > It's still every four hours. > There is a dosing adjustment for transdermal...Dana or do you know what it is? Anyone else? ==>Sorry, out in left field lately, do you mean dosing adjustment as in the amount? If so, sorry, I don't know. I do know he would say whatever dose you use, it has to be dosed every 4 hours around the clock. And then he would say to use the oral Dmsa, :=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 How do you test adrenals again? From: lucy2max@... <lucy2max@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: 3X a day--AC protocol Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 10:47 PM Just to add my story- used TD on no-yeast child and got yeast! Really bad- used nysantin and diflucan. TD can cause yeast as well. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed [ ] Re: 3X a day--AC protocol lets say that this same thing has not been seen on this board with people using TD. There is still yeast. And it is not more effective. The same or less usually. Depends upon absorption. You would have to look at who paid for those sources of information...the companies who make or sell TD? But..I agree with yeast being a burden. It is hard and at some point in chelation will get easier to deal with. Honestly, td will still cause yeast..it's not swallowing the chelator that causes it, it's the metals being passed out of the gut...there is no way to by pass that one! So I can't say for sure that Td will reduce his yeast any. What are you using for yeast? What have you tried already? What kind of probiotics? It is common to see regressions off an on. We did too. But yeah, yeast can be behind that. How are his adrenals? That can cause irritability too. Not sure what you tried already but let us know..maybe someone has ideas for that yeast. > > " There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a > > redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and > > the brain. " > > > > My daughter is doing DMSA suppositories per our DAN! because she said orally it would increase yeast which is already a problem. So is there concern for redistribution with one daily, or nightly I should say, suppository (we do three nights on and 4 nights off)? > > Thank you > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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