Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 > > I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > protocol 3x a day and not at night? I gave ALA 3x per day. It worked very well for all four of my kids, and also for myself. It is not the protocol usually recommended on this forum tho. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dana, May I know why you don't do the dmsa but chose to do ala alone? On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:59 PM, danasview <danasview@...> wrote: > > > > > I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > > protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > I gave ALA 3x per day. It worked very well for all four of my kids, > and also for myself. It is not the protocol usually recommended on > this forum tho. > > Dana > > > -- Priscilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 > > I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > protocol 3x a day and not at night? ===>Yes, please don't do this. The worse case of permanent regression I ever heard of was from a mother who was advised to give Ala 3 x a day. The most you can hope for with giving 3 x a day is that your child won't improve. Dana has been honest enough to repeatedly say that chelation did not cure her kids, only made it possible for them to take supplements to " cure " them. Low/frequent dosing of chelation cured ours, period. She did not require supplements to complete the process. There is a big difference in these two statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >protocol 3x a day and not at night? Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. Might as well do nothing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son and that 3 am dose is tough.... but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " either but..................let's be gentle with each other k? Stacee ________________________________ From: Ross <mrossgrp@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >protocol 3x a day and not at night? Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. Might as well do nothing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 That gave me a good chuckle, thanks . Those night doses are tough, no doubt, but they do get easier and once the gains start coming, it's just incentive to keep going. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Stacee Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son and that 3 am dose is tough.... but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " either but..................let's be gentle with each other k? Stacee ________________________________ From: Ross <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com> > <mailto: %40> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >protocol 3x a day and not at night? Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. Might as well do nothing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Staceee, Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " after it. But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about to pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it happened to be a toy they were holding? >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son >and that 3 am dose is tough.... >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the >Child's Health and Well Being " either but..................let's be >gentle with each other k? >Stacee > >________________________________ >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>mrossgrp@...> ><mailto: %40> >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > >Might as well do nothing. > > > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 relax Michea,l no one is aiming a gun, you really need to lighten up~ we're all just here to help our kiddos, geesh p.s. there's only one " e " in my first name don't you think that our energies are better directed at help and our kids and supporting each other?? someone needs a hug, to I'm sending you one , have a nice day and a wish you the very best! ;p ________________________________ From: Ross <mrossgrp@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26:17 AM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day Staceee, Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " after it. But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about to pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it happened to be a toy they were holding? >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son >and that 3 am dose is tough.... >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the >Child's Health and Well Being " either but......... ......... let's be >gentle with each other k? >Stacee > >___________ _________ _________ ___ >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com>mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com> ><mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > >Might as well do nothing. > > > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 sorry my typing is a bit off, getting over a cold~ even still, Micheal, we are on the same side, are we not?? take care, Stacee with one " e " ________________________________ From: Stacee <staceed@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:47:35 AM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day relax Michea,l no one is aiming a gun, you really need to lighten up~ we're all just here to help our kiddos, geesh p.s. there's only one " e " in my first name don't you think that our energies are better directed at help and our kids and supporting each other?? someone needs a hug, to I'm sending you one , have a nice day and a wish you the very best! ;p ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26:17 AM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day Staceee, Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " after it. But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about to pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it happened to be a toy they were holding? >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son >and that 3 am dose is tough.... >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the >Child's Health and Well Being " either but......... ......... let's be >gentle with each other k? >Stacee > >___________ _________ _________ ___ >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> mrossgrp@ gmail. com> ><mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>Autism- Mercury@ groups. com >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > >Might as well do nothing. > > > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 There are animal studies to show infrequent dosing will cause a redistribution and further concentration of heavy metals in organs and the brain. So there is a very real risk of further brain damage on a 3x a day and not at night protocol. And yes I have seen it happen, and no matter how many times I tried to warn the parents they went off and made their child so much worse. It is painful to watch and very sad to know this child will probably never recover now. wrote: > > I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I've seen a parent destroy their child's brain using an infrequent protocol. Its hard to " lighten up " about that. I won't support any parent doing that. No hugs from me. What a load of toss. Stacee wrote: > > relax Michea,l no one is aiming a gun, you really need to lighten up~ > we're all just here to help our kiddos, geesh > p.s. there's only one " e " in my first name > > don't you think that our energies are better directed at help and our > kids and supporting each other?? > > someone needs a hug, to I'm sending you one , have a nice day > and a wish you the very best! > > ;p > > ________________________________ > From: Ross <mrossgrp@... <mailto:mrossgrp%40gmail.com>> > > <mailto: %40> > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26:17 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > Staceee, > > Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " > after it. > > But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about to > pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that > person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it > happened to be a toy they were holding? > > > > >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son > >and that 3 am dose is tough.... > >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation > >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the > >Child's Health and Well Being " either but......... ......... let's be > >gentle with each other k? > >Stacee > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com>mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com> > ><mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> @ > groups. com > >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM > >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their > >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > > >Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I personally like the straight talk. No need to read between the lines. I'm used to getting up many times a night because one of my boys doesn't sleep so well. No big deal. Great thing is that now after a few rounds he is sleeping much better. We've changed a few other things, but I'm sure the chelation needs part of the credit. I get angry about immunizations having mercury in them, amalgams, and everything else. I certainly don't want to be responsible for hurting my child further. So glad I found this list.. TJ ________________________________ From: Reynolds <peter@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 1:58:18 PM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day I've seen a parent destroy their child's brain using an infrequent protocol. Its hard to " lighten up " about that. I won't support any parent doing that. No hugs from me. What a load of toss. Stacee wrote: > > relax Michea,l no one is aiming a gun, you really need to lighten up~ > we're all just here to help our kiddos, geesh > p.s. there's only one " e " in my first name > > don't you think that our energies are better directed at help and our > kids and supporting each other?? > > someone needs a hug, to I'm sending you one , have a nice day > and a wish you the very best! > > ;p > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> > > @ groups.. com > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26:17 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > Staceee, > > Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " > after it. > > But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about to > pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that > person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it > happened to be a toy they were holding? > > > > >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son > >and that 3 am dose is tough.... > >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation > >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the > >Child's Health and Well Being " either but......... ......... let's be > >gentle with each other k? > >Stacee > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> mrossgrp@ gmail. com> > ><mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>Autism- Mercury@ > groups. com > >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM > >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their > >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > > >Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I know we have some single parents, but for the ones still together. My husband and I take turns with the night doses. I usually give the 12:30am dose and he gives the 3:30am dose, then I give the 6:30am and all of the daytime doses. We take turns each weekend. I have the dose prepoured for the night, so we just grab the syringe and go. I like the blunt replies as well. I didn't know how to take at first, but now I find myself agreeing with his posts. > > > > relax Michea,l no one is aiming a gun, you really need to lighten up~ > > we're all just here to help our kiddos, geesh > > p.s. there's only one " e " in my first name > > > > don't you think that our energies are better directed at help and our > > kids and supporting each other?? > > > > someone needs a hug, to I'm sending you one , have a nice day > > and a wish you the very best! > > > > ;p > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> > > > @ groups.. com > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > > Staceee, > > > > Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " > > after it. > > > > But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about to > > pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that > > person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it > > happened to be a toy they were holding? > > > > > > > > >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son > > >and that 3 am dose is tough.... > > >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation > > >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the > > >Child's Health and Well Being " either but......... ......... let's be > > >gentle with each other k? > > >Stacee > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> mrossgrp@ gmail. com> > > ><mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>Autism- Mercury@ > > groups. com > > >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM > > >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > > > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > > >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > > > > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their > > >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > > > > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > > > > >Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Your a lucky gal....I do all the doses...day, night, for the last three years. And I am not a single parent...but it sure feels like I am one...most every day. He is just " here " doing what I don't know...lol. I am one tired out lady..but my kids are getting better, so it is worth it. Smile and feel warm and fuzzy that you got a good hubby! > > > > > > relax Michea,l no one is aiming a gun, you really need to lighten > up~ > > > we're all just here to help our kiddos, geesh > > > p.s. there's only one " e " in my first name > > > > > > don't you think that our energies are better directed at help and > our > > > kids and supporting each other?? > > > > > > someone needs a hug, to I'm sending you one , have a nice > day > > > and a wish you the very best! > > > > > > ;p > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% > 40gmail.com> > > > > @ groups.. com > > > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26:17 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > > > > Staceee, > > > > > > Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " > > > after it. > > > > > > But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about > to > > > pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that > > > person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it > > > happened to be a toy they were holding? > > > > > > > > > > > > >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my > son > > > >and that 3 am dose is tough.... > > > >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the > " Chelation > > > >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the > > > >Child's Health and Well Being " either but......... ......... > let's be > > > >gentle with each other k? > > > >Stacee > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> mrossgrp@ > gmail. com> > > > ><mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>Autism- Mercury@ > > > groups. com > > > >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > > > > > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to > doing the > > > >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > > > > > > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put > their > > > >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > > > > > > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > > > > > > >Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I know I'm lucky! I think he just wants me well rested so I can do EVERYTHING else! He likes his laptop, that's all I will say about that! But yeah, I do appreciate the night doses. He is a journalist and wants to interview Andy one day. Not sure if Andy does that sort of thing. I wanted to ask you and I know this is probaby a rhetorical question but...when does the child start understanding more with AC chelation? We just finished our 23rd round and she is doing well. But she still doesn't understand a lot of what we say. She is just starting to use sentences but there is a lot of echolalia now. She is only up to 7.25mg of both ALA and DMSA. I had to go very slowly with raising the doses. I guess I'm impatient. I keep reading about kids doing all these great things so early on and I want that! Mostly I want conversation. > > > > I know we have some single parents, but for the ones still together. > > My husband and I take turns with the night doses. I usually give the > > 12:30am dose and he gives the 3:30am dose, then I give the 6:30am and > > all of the daytime doses. We take turns each weekend. I have the dose > > prepoured for the night, so we just grab the syringe and go. > > > > I like the blunt replies as well. I didn't know how to take at > > first, but now I find myself agreeing with his posts. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 there's a big difference between " straight talk " and launching into attack mode~ seriously you guys are missing the point and I still offer hugs and good will to all and will continue be supportive of other parents without attacking them, I don't think that's a neccesary way to convey an idea~ seriously, everyone needs to take a breath! stacee with two " e " s ________________________________ From: TJ Werth <tj_werth@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 2:25:31 PM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day I personally like the straight talk. No need to read between the lines. I'm used to getting up many times a night because one of my boys doesn't sleep so well. No big deal. Great thing is that now after a few rounds he is sleeping much better. We've changed a few other things, but I'm sure the chelation needs part of the credit. I get angry about immunizations having mercury in them, amalgams, and everything else. I certainly don't want to be responsible for hurting my child further. So glad I found this list.. TJ ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Reynolds <peteralkamy (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 1:58:18 PM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day I've seen a parent destroy their child's brain using an infrequent protocol. Its hard to " lighten up " about that. I won't support any parent doing that. No hugs from me. What a load of toss. Stacee wrote: > > relax Michea,l no one is aiming a gun, you really need to lighten up~ > we're all just here to help our kiddos, geesh > p.s. there's only one " e " in my first name > > don't you think that our energies are better directed at help and our > kids and supporting each other?? > > someone needs a hug, to I'm sending you one , have a nice day > and a wish you the very best! > > ;p > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com <mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> > > @ groups. . com > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26:17 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > Staceee, > > Gentle. Hmm. Yes, I suppose my comment should have had a " winkie " > after it. > > But if you see someone aiming a gun at a child and they are about to > pull the trigger, would you be " gentle " or would you wrestle that > person to the ground, even if you had to apologize later if it > happened to be a toy they were holding? > > > > >ouch~ that's harsh Micheal, but I get it, I just started with my son > >and that 3 am dose is tough.... > >but as you so eloquently put it, I don't want to do the " Chelation > >Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the > >Child's Health and Well Being " either but......... ......... let's be > >gentle with each other k? > >Stacee > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > >From: Ross <<mailto:mrossgrp% 40gmail.com> mrossgrp@ gmail. com> > ><mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>Autism- Mercury@ > groups. com > >Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:31:43 AM > >Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > >>I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > >>protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > > >Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their > >own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > > >It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > > >Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: michellebondy I wanted to ask you and I know this is probaby a rhetorical question but...when does the child start understanding more with AC chelation? We just finished our 23rd round and she is doing well. But she still doesn't understand a lot of what we say. She is just starting to use sentences but there is a lot of echolalia now. ===>They're all so different. Some take right off with the receptive understanding and for others it is one of the later things to appear. Just know if you're starting to see sentences, even with echolalia, it's coming. Echolalia is often a precursor to genuine conversation. She'll get there. > > > > I know we have some single parents, but for the ones still together. > > My husband and I take turns with the night doses. I usually give the > > 12:30am dose and he gives the 3:30am dose, then I give the 6:30am and > > all of the daytime doses. We take turns each weekend. I have the dose > > prepoured for the night, so we just grab the syringe and go. > > > > I like the blunt replies as well. I didn't know how to take at > > first, but now I find myself agreeing with his posts. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think it is individual to each child and depends on their level of toxins and what it has affected. My son's auditory processing and understanding of what we said was always sketchy until just lately. We would see improvements in his comprehension and interpretation of what we said when we got into the 30-40 rounds. But it would always go back between rounds. Finally, when we hit 50...it seemed gone. And he has been doing ok. School has also reported not detecting any auditory processing issues. He still does have some trouble with verbal articulation where he will forget what he was going to say. He has to say it as soon as he thinks it, if he has to wait a minute...he loses it. Sometimes he will recall it later. Now I don't know her age, but my son is 6. he did not have problems speaking, but he had trouble understanding us and following what we said. He seemed to hear things wrong...like if we said put your socks on the bed, he though I said put them on his head. So was confused all the time. I did do some auditory therapy with him using Earobics to help him learn to distinguish syllables. So I don't know if our situation compares to yours or not... What I can say is the fact that your gal is using sentences now...means this is working. And that is positive and makes the prognosis she will understand better and converse...good. Not all of the kids progress at the same speed and some progress a lot at first and stall out during the stall period. Then begin to make progress again after getting through those few months. Other kids make small improvements bit by bit. IF it helps..my son used to repeat words for no reason too. He would find a word that he heard on tv or someplace..and just repeat it over and over until I was half nuts. It was almost like he liked the way it felt to say it...he no longer does this. Hasn't in months. When he was a toddler you could hardly engage him, you'd talk to him but he was in space. He would giggle and respond to you sometimes, other times he was out there somewhere. As a toddler, he did not understand most of what we said, and could nto follow commands. He actually spoke in babble. He had some words like ma, ba, car, go-go, but he would babble all this jibberish that made no sense. So hang in there...things can change but it's slow. > > > > > > I know we have some single parents, but for the ones still > together. > > > My husband and I take turns with the night doses. I usually give > the > > > 12:30am dose and he gives the 3:30am dose, then I give the 6:30am > and > > > all of the daytime doses. We take turns each weekend. I have the > dose > > > prepoured for the night, so we just grab the syringe and go. > > > > > > I like the blunt replies as well. I didn't know how to take > at > > > first, but now I find myself agreeing with his posts. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Wow. My children are adults now and I have no control over such things, but may I ask... why would taking the chelators 3x/night be so starkly different thatn 3x/daytime. I'm not challenging the logic here, but am wondering how daytime results in Hg sticking to the brain while nighttime pulls it out of the brain, not to say that it doesn't work that way. And, yes, I think the analogies used may be a little extreme, too. Isn't that how we know the MDs are lying to us? When logic seems to fail them, they turn the conversation to the dire and frightening - " your child will get sick, will die, we refuse to treat an unvaccinated child, that's child abuse.... "  Seriously, if the AC protocol is effective, and the anti-mercury cause is legitimate, then there should be no place for this kind of response. Yes, I realize, too, that I'm possibly in violation myself if berating a fellow member, but I do not think that it's appropriate to plant the thought of aiming a gun at your child's head in the mind of a concerned parent who has a very legitimate question in the context of others who are searching for understanding. Treatments at night may very well be preferrable, but the difference could not possibly be equivalent to a gunshot to the brain, nor even the difference between zero brain damage and 100%. This is religious dogma, not persuasion, and it's very unethical to blindside a concerned parent with that kind of guilt... From: Ross <mrossgrp@...> Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 1:31 AM >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >protocol 3x a day and not at night? Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. Might as well do nothing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Alan I agree with you, I am concerned that a new parent may be so turned off by this tone and never come back to this group, which would be such a shame. While I appreciate the passion, I think it's misguided and maybe more appropriate for the therapist office instead of this group~ still smiling~ Stacee ________________________________ From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com <cusanusnicolas@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 6:28:59 PM Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day Wow. My children are adults now and I have no control over such things, but may I ask... why would taking the chelators 3x/night be so starkly different thatn 3x/daytime. I'm not challenging the logic here, but am wondering how daytime results in Hg sticking to the brain while nighttime pulls it out of the brain, not to say that it doesn't work that way. And, yes, I think the analogies used may be a little extreme, too. Isn't that how we know the MDs are lying to us? When logic seems to fail them, they turn the conversation to the dire and frightening - " your child will get sick, will die, we refuse to treat an unvaccinated child, that's child abuse.... "  Seriously, if the AC protocol is effective, and the anti-mercury cause is legitimate, then there should be no place for this kind of response. Yes, I realize, too, that I'm possibly in violation myself if berating a fellow member, but I do not think that it's appropriate to plant the thought of aiming a gun at your child's head in the mind of a concerned parent who has a very legitimate question in the context of others who are searching for understanding. Treatments at night may very well be preferrable, but the difference could not possibly be equivalent to a gunshot to the brain, nor even the difference between zero brain damage and 100%. This is religious dogma, not persuasion, and it's very unethical to blindside a concerned parent with that kind of guilt... From: Ross <mrossgrpgmail (DOT) com> Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 1:31 AM >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the >protocol 3x a day and not at night? Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. Might as well do nothing. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Ruby just turned 4 in February. She sounds very much like your son was, but she was nonverbal until last April. After a few months of diet and basic biomeds, she started using words with poor articulation. Auditory processing has always been an issue with Ruby. She has gotten better lately, but it's still a major issue. Tonight I asked her " did you eat your meatballs " and she replied " okay " . Thinking I was asking her if she wanted more meatballs. It's very frustrating. But she is improving slowly. She still doesn't use " I " , " me " , " and " etc. and speaks sort of like a caveman. No offence if any Geico Caveman are reading this, haha. Anyway, I know AC chelation is working because after 2 rounds this past summer she could suddenly pronounce her T's. She could say 2 and 10 perfectly and her ABA therapist was amazed. After her first 6 rounds she could jump. She could not jump before this at all. She would try and try but just didn't have the co-ordination for it. So we were in shock at how fast things were happening for her. But, we had to stop chelation due to Ruby having an insane amount of parasites. Little did I know I should have kept chelating and just treated her for parasites. Anyway, we took a 3 month break. So in reality we have done 23 rounds, but only 18 consecutive rounds. I know I am expecting a lot from Ruby and I have to be more patient. She is labeling everything now, she always answers to her name, she is aware and always turns when we enter the room. Those are things she never did before because she was always in a fog. It's great to hear your son is doing so well. I love that Ruby is very much like your son was, so this tells me she will get there! Thanks so much for this reply. I'm putting it in my favs for when I need inspiration! > > > > > > Your a lucky gal....I do all the doses...day, night, for the last > > > three years. And I am not a single parent...but it sure feels like I > > > am one...most every day. He is just " here " doing what I don't > > know...lol. > > > I am one tired out lady..but my kids are getting better, so it is > > > worth it. > > > Smile and feel warm and fuzzy that you got a good hubby! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Thanks , I always listen to your advice. I am happy to hear echolalia is a precusor to conversation. This message in going into my favs as well for inspiration! > > > > > > I know we have some single parents, but for the ones still > together. > > > My husband and I take turns with the night doses. I usually give > the > > > 12:30am dose and he gives the 3:30am dose, then I give the 6:30am > and > > > all of the daytime doses. We take turns each weekend. I have the > dose > > > prepoured for the night, so we just grab the syringe and go. > > > > > > I like the blunt replies as well. I didn't know how to take > at > > > first, but now I find myself agreeing with his posts. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 The chelator needs to be given on it's half life...for those three days and two nights. (If one wishes to avoid moving and dropping mercury all around) So you can't skip day doses or night doses. She was inquiring about using the ala only three times per 24 hours, giving those three doses during the day. So she wanted to use it only during the day, and not at all at night. Problem is that ala only last three hours in the body, four if your lucky. So giving it only three times in a 24 hour period leaves many redistributions per round. That was the question. Redistribution will happen anytime you dose it longer than the chelators half life. According to Dr. Cutler's pharmokinetic of ala..it's three hours, four it the longest before the body has used it up. DMSA is four hours..five at the longest. I have also read scientific studies on dmsa that also found the four hours... So to avoid problems, more side effects and possibly making more problems, it would be best if given every 3 hours...for the entire 72 hour round. The only lead way is that you can do night time doses four hours apart rather than three. When one is sleeping the metabolism is slower. So for most of us this means giving a midnight and 4am dose. So for most of us..we use the AC because we feel would like to avoid or reduce the redistributions as much as possible. If that makes sense. After having gone through 30 rounds myself...redistribution is rough...and I would prefer to avoid it...if I could. Since I can't..at least doing it this way I don't go through it every day for three days, as I would on dosing 3 times a day for three days. Am I making sense.... > > From: Ross <mrossgrp@...> > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 1:31 AM > > > > > > > >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > >protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their > own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 that makes a lot of sense Jan, you're an inspiration! Stacee ________________________________ From: Jan <mercurybabies2@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 6:53:45 PM Subject: [ ] Re: ac protocol or ALA 3x a day The chelator needs to be given on it's half life...for those three days and two nights. (If one wishes to avoid moving and dropping mercury all around) So you can't skip day doses or night doses. She was inquiring about using the ala only three times per 24 hours, giving those three doses during the day. So she wanted to use it only during the day, and not at all at night. Problem is that ala only last three hours in the body, four if your lucky. So giving it only three times in a 24 hour period leaves many redistributions per round. That was the question. Redistribution will happen anytime you dose it longer than the chelators half life. According to Dr. Cutler's pharmokinetic of ala..it's three hours, four it the longest before the body has used it up. DMSA is four hours..five at the longest. I have also read scientific studies on dmsa that also found the four hours... So to avoid problems, more side effects and possibly making more problems, it would be best if given every 3 hours...for the entire 72 hour round. The only lead way is that you can do night time doses four hours apart rather than three. When one is sleeping the metabolism is slower. So for most of us this means giving a midnight and 4am dose. So for most of us..we use the AC because we feel would like to avoid or reduce the redistributions as much as possible. If that makes sense. After having gone through 30 rounds myself...redistribu tion is rough...and I would prefer to avoid it...if I could. Since I can't..at least doing it this way I don't go through it every day for three days, as I would on dosing 3 times a day for three days. Am I making sense.... > > From: Ross <mrossgrp@.. .> > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 1:31 AM > > > > > > > >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > >protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their > own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 just to clarify this post..I did not go through redistribution only after doing 30 rounds...everyone has redistribution post round and every round..thus the reason we feel icky that day after. I go through that icky day after every round. Some rounds it's worse than others...its' tolerable.. but I was referring to that in case there was any confusion. --- > After having gone through 30 rounds myself...redistribution is > rough...and I would prefer to avoid it...if I could. Since I can't..at > least doing it this way I don't go through it every day for three > days, as I would on dosing 3 times a day for three days. > > Am I making sense.... > > > > > > > > From: Ross <mrossgrp@> > > Subject: Re: [ ] ac protocol or ALA 3x a day > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 1:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I understand the benefit of AC protocol. Can anyone speak to doing the > > >protocol 3x a day and not at night? > > > > Yes, it's called the " Chelation Protocol for Parents who Put their > > own Sleep Needs ahead of the Child's Health and Well Being " . > > > > It causes redistribution of mercury to the brain. > > > > Might as well do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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