Serotonin

February 21, 2006

Well, .... at least we've got a path to travel. I've never used a whey

supplement (waiting for that goat, you know).

I also have suspected Diabetes Insipidus for a few years but have never been

tested for it. I have been hypoglycemic for decades, well controlled by diet.

See ya, dinner time

mjh

In a message dated 2/21/06 7:56:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

davidhall@... writes:

***My recent measured body temp was

97 degrees, up quite modestly from a decade long average of 96.6. So it

looks like both of us have more work to do to get glutathione into our skeletal

muscles for the're cellular functionality, indepedent of thyroid health,

corresponds to body temp..

***Suffice to say, I'm beating you by 1/10th of a degree...I'm The Man! ;-)

February 21, 2006

Thanks --

That's kind of what I figured. What kind of side effects did you get from

SAMe?

I was interested in SAMe in the context of the methylation cycle. I've read

enough on here to get the basic idea--but also enough to confuse me a lot.

Before I got get the book and really make an effort to figure it all out, is

there a way to know whether my methylation cycle is messed up or not? The only

related supplement I've tried so far is ImmunoPro which I started this week and

have had no bad effects from (except some GI confusion which I've sorted out).

Thanks,

Trina

davidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote:

Hi, Trina.

" tvpro36 " <tvpro36@...> wrote:

>

> I was just reading something where Cheney said SSRIs fry your brain.

> So do serotonin boosters like SAM-e do the same thing? Or is the

> problem with SSRIs that they stop the excess serotonin from

> being " vacuumed up " ?

>

> Trina (formerly Katrina from California)

***Dr Cheney got his information primarily from the book called " Prosac

Backlash " written by the well regarded Harvard psychiatrist, Dr Glenmullen.

You can google the books name to bring up more background info..

***SSRIs force brain cells into an increased firing potential and for PWCs whose

brains are already shifted toward seizure this is not the direction we want

things to go is I recall Cheney's argument against them. I think besides

potential dangers of SSRIs there is plenty of anecdotal evidence and reports by

doctors who treat PWCs that they usually don't help and when they do its of only

modest benefit.

***SAMe doesn't force the firing potential but many PWCs, like I have in the

past, get uncomfortable side effects from it. Correcting ones methylation cycle

and doing what it takes to either replete or improve one glutathione metabolism

is a biochemically rational way to go to get ones body producing its own SAMe

effectively.

***The new book by Pangborn and Baker called, Autism: Effective Biomedical

Treatments, covers these topics, which apply to many PWCs, and how to go about

them. I think Amazon.com carries this book now.

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

February 21, 2006

Hi, Trina.

Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks --

>

> That's kind of what I figured. What kind of side effects did you get from

SAMe?

***When taking SAMe I would get a uncomfortable pain at the top of each of my

two kidneys or at least where imagine they are inside of me.

I was interested in SAMe in the context of the methylation cycle. I've read

enough on here to get the basic idea--but also enough to confuse me a lot.

***Well, you could give SAMe a college try as some PWCs, like mjh for example,

only improve by taking it directly.

Before I got get the book and really make an effort to figure it all out, is

there a way to know whether my methylation cycle is messed up or not?

***They're are tests like the Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs Comprehensive Detox

Panel that might give you an indication of methylation problems, but I think the

book is superior to getting a better handle on the in and outs of it. I

happened to do both.

The only related supplement I've tried so far is ImmunoPro which I started this

week and have had no bad effects from (except some GI confusion which I've

sorted out).

***Good choice. I take RenewPro with no problems. It's basically the newer

easier to mix version of ImmunoPro.

Thanks,

> Trina

February 21, 2006

Hi, mjh.

foxhillers@... wrote:

My daytime temperature at the time of testing was 96.9.

> mjh

***My recent measured body temp was

97 degrees, up quite modestly from a decade long average of 96.6. So it looks

like both of us have more work to do to get glutathione into our skeletal

muscles for the're cellular functionality, indepedent of thyroid health,

corresponds to body temp..

***Suffice to say, I'm beating you by 1/10th of a degree...I'm The Man! ;-)

February 22, 2006

Trina

Yes, it is in the Archives, but I do not know how to suggest you do a search

to find it. But, you can check the FILES section. Maybe it is uploaded

there as a separate document.

Several listmates are following his protocol. Maybe one of them can post it

for you.

mjh

In a message dated 2/23/06 1:22:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tvpro36@... writes:

I've been reading you guys talk about Rich's protocol in bits and pieces. Is

it all written down in one place somewhere around here?

Thanks,

Trina

February 22, 2006

Thanks mjh--

I've been reading you guys talk about Rich's protocol in bits and pieces. Is

it all written down in one place somewhere around here?

Thanks,

Trina

foxhillers@... wrote:

Trina and Dave

RIck put together a progression of supplements to help with the methylation

pathway based on the Pangborn book.

It starts with Magnesium and B6 or P5P for a few days or a week or so then

adds, one by one, other supplements.

I got lucky in that in 1999, I had been on fairly high doses of B vitamins

and had been on Magnesium (though not effectively) for over two years. Hence

I probably unknowingly had opened the pathways that made SAM-e such a

powerful ally for me.

I continue to work on the HPA axis stuff and recently posted Thyroid test

for folks to comment on and will have an AM fasting cortisol test in a month. My

daytime temperature at the time of testing was 96.9.

MInd you, I've been affected for almost 16 years and am just now getting

cortisol measured. I said to the Endocrinologist just this morning.... but

Licorice root and Siberian ginseng help me, does not that suggest something

about

the adrenals?

My other huge challenge is what I call scrambled brain syndrome aka

dysfunction of the executive function of the brain.

mjh

September 17, 2007

Hi

By now I hope that you will have found out a lot about serotonin. You are on the

right track by looking into colon health.

Any imbalance in the bowel will contribute to low serotonin levels. It pays to

look at this very closely.

People born to low serotonin mothers are likely to have low serotonin themselves

but that does not mean that it can't

be improved with good diet and a few natural setotonin boosting supplements.

It is also worth getting thyroid hormone levels checked including free T3 levels

for depression not just TSH levels. Your friend might have to find a functional

medicine or integrative medical doctor to get this done.

It is important to have a stable blood sugar level to improve depression so

regular meals of complex carbohydrate (no refined starches like white flour of

sugar) protein and good fats are important. Some people with depression have

been improved simply by increasing omega 3 fats. Protein is important to supply

the amino acids that the neurotransmitters (brain chemicals) are made of.

Carbohydrates help carry them into the brain but too much starchy food can upset

blood sugar balance. Certain foods help raise serotonin levels (if this is the

problem). A good book that explains all this is The Mood Cure by Ross.

When serotonin is out of balance then other neurotransmitters will probably be

imbalanced too. Various urine tests are now available to check this. Your friend

could get a test done through Neurogistics. http://neurogistics.com

Hope this may give you a few ideas for further research.

Sandy

[sPAM] serotonin

BlankDoes anyone have information about serotonin levels in your colon that

triggers depression? I've just started to research it out for a friend. I've

read that eating white potatoes help. Any helpful comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

A Concerned Parent, wife, sister, daughter and friend

Have you visited www.marriageretreat365.com today?

September 17, 2007

Thanks for posting about the Ross book. I have The Diet Cure by

her which goes into a lot of detail about the brain but wasn't aware

she had another book. I will buy it. The first was was excellent. I

am forever telling people about amino acids. We use a formula that

contains all the essentials. Severe cases may need a bit more though

of one of the specific amino acids although doubling or tripling the

amount for a period of time will achieve the same results. One lady I

know got rid of a lifetime of depression with it. She didn't even

know she was depressed! Her whole family was in a low grade

depression and that's how she grew up. She started feeling happy

after using amino acids. Probably she just started out trying to fix

her bowels.

Another way you can raise serotonin levels is by using EFT. Watch the

video and read the manual on www.emofree.com.

Sharon

>

> Hi

> By now I hope that you will have found out a lot about serotonin.

You are on the right track by looking into colon health.

> Any imbalance in the bowel will contribute to low serotonin levels.

It pays to look at this very closely.

> People born to low serotonin mothers are likely to have low

serotonin themselves but that does not mean that it can't

> be improved with good diet and a few natural setotonin boosting

supplements.

>

> It is also worth getting thyroid hormone levels checked including

free T3 levels for depression not just TSH levels. Your friend might

have to find a functional medicine or integrative medical doctor to

get this done.

>

> It is important to have a stable blood sugar level to improve

depression so regular meals of complex carbohydrate (no refined

starches like white flour of sugar) protein and good fats are

important. Some people with depression have been improved simply by

increasing omega 3 fats. Protein is important to supply the amino

acids that the neurotransmitters (brain chemicals) are made of.

Carbohydrates help carry them into the brain but too much starchy food

can upset blood sugar balance. Certain foods help raise serotonin

levels (if this is the problem). A good book that explains all this

is The Mood Cure by Ross.

>

> When serotonin is out of balance then other neurotransmitters will

probably be imbalanced too. Various urine tests are now available to

check this. Your friend could get a test done through Neurogistics.

http://neurogistics.com

>

> Hope this may give you a few ideas for further research.

>

> Sandy

>

> [sPAM] serotonin

>

> BlankDoes anyone have information about serotonin levels in your

colon that triggers depression? I've just started to research it out

for a friend. I've read that eating white potatoes help. Any helpful

comments would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> A Concerned Parent, wife, sister, daughter and friend

>

> Have you visited www.marriageretreat365.com today?

>

September 17, 2007

Thank you. I'll look into this and share it with my friend. I appreciate all

the abundance of information that this group provides.

[sPAM] serotonin

>

> BlankDoes anyone have information about serotonin levels in your

colon that triggers depression? I've just started to research it out

for a friend. I've read that eating white potatoes help. Any helpful

comments would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> A Concerned Parent, wife, sister, daughter and friend

>

> Have you visited www.marriageretreat365.com today?

>

February 23, 2009

My son has never taken 5 HTP and I am wondering what are symptoms

associated with low serotonin.

He has very little appetite, low mood, low interest.

thanks

August 10, 2009

HI ,

Having read 's message, I went back and reread my own. I did not intend to

suggest that you use SSRi's for your child. Rather I thought that there would

probably be information there in relation to seratonin levels in

neurodevelopmental problems. I refused to take anti-depressants myself during

pregnancy, so I would be the last to suggest it to someone for their child.

Reading back my message tho', it might sound as if I was advising just that.

Sue

> > >

> > > In my son's urine peptid analysis it showed that there were excess levels

of pyro GLU-TRP-GLY. It said that it was an indicator that there were reduced

levels of seratonin in the body.

> > > Of course I will follow it up but I just wondered if anyone had heard of

this and could possibly shed a bit more light on this for me?

> > > Thanks, :-)

> > >

> >

> Dear

>

> What Doctors Don't Tell You, the publication are very very concerned about

using any SSRIs with children and teens. The medication was designed for adults,

has never been tested on children and the functionality of children, teens and

adults is very different.. From what I recall they have found an increse in self

harm and suicide when they are used in children and teens..and advocate using

different ways of supporting children with depressive conditions.

>

> I think that there is a link between sleep quality and levels of both

melatonin and seratonin. The body needs to get a certain quality of sleep during

set periods of the night in order to repair and maintain itself. I know that

some of the crucial hours are between one and three in the morning and this also

coincides with the time we are most likely to wake up if we have liver issues or

have eaten food which the body is stuggling to digest... Mandi mentioned

something a few months ago about waking at this time also linking with yeast

issues too. If your child is constantly getting less good quality sleep than he

needs, a consequence of sleep deprivation is depression... and lower seratonin

>

> Sleep quality improves when the child is able to breath properly and maintain

an effective airway, particularly overnight and in their sleep... Scotson

at Advance haa found this in her near 30 years of research... She may be worth

calling and asking for her views on the seratonin levels... She is a living

encyclopeadia of knowledge and so very helpful and friendly too.

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Tracey

>

August 11, 2009

Tracey/Sue,

Thanks for the info. My sons sleeping patterns have improved so much since doing

the gfcf diet and probiotics but I still believe we have a way to go in

addressing all of his yeast issues. The good news is that I think we've found a

doctor who's willing to go the biomed road in Sweden so I will seek advice on

the serotonin front.

Tracey, I'm going to look up the scotson method as my son had croup several

times as a baby/ severe eczema also and I'm dead scared that he is going to

inherit my asthma.

Thanks again,