Guest guest Posted June 5, 2001 Report Share Posted June 5, 2001 Metagenics from Nutrition dynamics sells malic acid. The product is called " Fibroplex " Each 2 tablets contains 600mg malic acid, thiamin 50mg,Vit B6 50mg, Magnesium 150mg, Manganese 5mg. The cost is 22.95 for 120 tablets malic acid Could someone please guide me to a good place o buy malic acid from? Also, does anyone know the ratio of mag to malic acid that is advised? Thanks, a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 In a message dated 6/6/01 3:09:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: << From: StarDantzer@... Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: malic acid Could someone please guide me to a good place o buy malic acid from? Also, does anyone know the ratio of mag to malic acid that is advised? Thanks, >> As I recall, I was told to take two to three times the amount of Malic Acid as I took of Magnesium. I tried two different brands and had such severe stomach pains (to tears) that I stopped taking it although it is part of the protocol of both rheumatologists I have seen. I got the Malic Acid from the healthfood store..... a very large bottle was about $7.00 in 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 Health Resources has a good malic acid product. You need about 1,200 mg. malic acid daily, according to my doctor. Health Resources contributes a portion of their profits (quite a large portion) to CFIDS research. Their phone number is 1-800-366-6056. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 a, I used to get " Malic relief formula " which had malic acid and magnesium malate together in one pill; then they changed to slow release form which I didnt like. I was paying about 25 bucks per month. Now I get them seperate; I get nature's life brand from Lindberg nutrition; and pay about 8 bucks per month for both combined and have seen similar (excellent) results. I dont even know if the malic acid (800mg) is necessary. The magnesium malate is 200 mg of magnesium; and 1,100 mg of I-malate, from malic acid. I take both pills twice per day. Also; it can take several months to replace deficits. In my case it took about 9 months to get all the benefits in pain, dry eyes, and heart palpitations; I didnt see much change the first month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 , What helps with dry eyes? I have this problem. L >a, I used to get " Malic relief formula " which had malic acid and >magnesium malate together in one pill; then they changed to slow release form >which I didnt like. I was paying about 25 bucks per month. Now I get them >seperate; I get nature's life brand from Lindberg nutrition; and pay about 8 >bucks per month for both combined and have seen similar (excellent) results. >I dont even know if the malic acid (800mg) is necessary. The magnesium >malate is 200 mg of magnesium; and 1,100 mg of I-malate, from malic acid. I >take both pills twice per day. Also; it can take several months to replace >deficits. In my case it took about 9 months to get all the benefits in pain, >dry eyes, and heart palpitations; I didnt see much change the first month. > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment >discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2001 Report Share Posted November 16, 2001 Thank you Bonny! : ) > > > RE MAGNESIUM AND/OR ULTRA MUSCLE-EASE > > B1,3,6 > > and 12; Malic Acid (Maybe someone can tell us what this is/does); and a > few > > other goodies (too many to mention really) > > > > Once again, I have left a message for the company and will find out if > > mail-order or net order can be done. > > > > Smiles, > > > > Hi , I think it was you who asked what malic acid is for? I don't have any information on hand that I can refer you to but I'd read quite some time ago that malic acid is used for fibromyalgia (hope I spelled it correctly) and that's what I have used it for. It's combined with a high dose of magnessium and it really worked great for me for the pain. Bonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 ---------- >From: Go Friend <gofriend8@...> > > Malic acid? That is a new one on me. Do tell more, > please. Here are some urls of articles to read about the malic: http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/3113 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/1423 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/172 http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/malic3.htm I cannot remember how I found out about malic acid (brain fog mostly gone, not completely gone!). I use it for the pain of my cryo-it is a big improvement-not the cure-all-but it has helped a lot. The great clearing of the brain fog has been a happy extra! Cryo causes blockage of the capillary beds that feed the peripheral areas and taking malic acid cannot change that fact. It is indicated for pain relief and the low energy levels of CFIDS (fibro, chronic fatigue, etc). I think the brain fog relief is due in part to the fact that I now sleep better due to less pain. Before, I got little sleep and that was of poor quality. Also my biochemistry is not quite as unbalanced as before due to malic acid's ability to improve the reaction rate of the Krebs cycle. I do not believe that my improvement on malic acid is a placebo effect-I had tried several other supplements for the leg pain, but they did not work. Some of the other supplements together did make a difference such as the multi, milk thistle, and ginger, but the malic acid has been the most successful of the supplements that I have tried for the cryo pain. Again-it is not a cure-all, I am currently giving Neurontin another try as I want off NSAIDS. I just had a viral load done and it is now almost triple the count it was two years ago. It is still in the low range so I am not letting myself worry about it (at least not consciously-who knows what my subconscious is doing!) I guess the virus has mutated and my immune system is in full attack mode again, thus my cryo and other immune (terrible dry eyes again after almost two full months of near normalacy!, and good ole IBS) problems have flared up. Anyway, I hope the above articles will help, while ImmuneSupport.com does sell the supplements, malic acid/magnesium is sold at all health food stores, many other sites on-line too. I do get the Double Strength Pro Energy from them on the frequent or preferred buyer program, but that is all. ImmuneSupport has some mightly pricey items! gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 ---------- >From: Go Friend <gofriend8@...> > > Malic acid? That is a new one on me. Do tell more, > please. Here are some urls of articles to read about the malic: http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/3113 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/1423 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/172 http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/malic3.htm I cannot remember how I found out about malic acid (brain fog mostly gone, not completely gone!). I use it for the pain of my cryo-it is a big improvement-not the cure-all-but it has helped a lot. The great clearing of the brain fog has been a happy extra! Cryo causes blockage of the capillary beds that feed the peripheral areas and taking malic acid cannot change that fact. It is indicated for pain relief and the low energy levels of CFIDS (fibro, chronic fatigue, etc). I think the brain fog relief is due in part to the fact that I now sleep better due to less pain. Before, I got little sleep and that was of poor quality. Also my biochemistry is not quite as unbalanced as before due to malic acid's ability to improve the reaction rate of the Krebs cycle. I do not believe that my improvement on malic acid is a placebo effect-I had tried several other supplements for the leg pain, but they did not work. Some of the other supplements together did make a difference such as the multi, milk thistle, and ginger, but the malic acid has been the most successful of the supplements that I have tried for the cryo pain. Again-it is not a cure-all, I am currently giving Neurontin another try as I want off NSAIDS. I just had a viral load done and it is now almost triple the count it was two years ago. It is still in the low range so I am not letting myself worry about it (at least not consciously-who knows what my subconscious is doing!) I guess the virus has mutated and my immune system is in full attack mode again, thus my cryo and other immune (terrible dry eyes again after almost two full months of near normalacy!, and good ole IBS) problems have flared up. Anyway, I hope the above articles will help, while ImmuneSupport.com does sell the supplements, malic acid/magnesium is sold at all health food stores, many other sites on-line too. I do get the Double Strength Pro Energy from them on the frequent or preferred buyer program, but that is all. ImmuneSupport has some mightly pricey items! gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 ---------- >From: Go Friend <gofriend8@...> > > Malic acid? That is a new one on me. Do tell more, > please. Here are some urls of articles to read about the malic: http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/3113 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/1423 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/172 http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/malic3.htm I cannot remember how I found out about malic acid (brain fog mostly gone, not completely gone!). I use it for the pain of my cryo-it is a big improvement-not the cure-all-but it has helped a lot. The great clearing of the brain fog has been a happy extra! Cryo causes blockage of the capillary beds that feed the peripheral areas and taking malic acid cannot change that fact. It is indicated for pain relief and the low energy levels of CFIDS (fibro, chronic fatigue, etc). I think the brain fog relief is due in part to the fact that I now sleep better due to less pain. Before, I got little sleep and that was of poor quality. Also my biochemistry is not quite as unbalanced as before due to malic acid's ability to improve the reaction rate of the Krebs cycle. I do not believe that my improvement on malic acid is a placebo effect-I had tried several other supplements for the leg pain, but they did not work. Some of the other supplements together did make a difference such as the multi, milk thistle, and ginger, but the malic acid has been the most successful of the supplements that I have tried for the cryo pain. Again-it is not a cure-all, I am currently giving Neurontin another try as I want off NSAIDS. I just had a viral load done and it is now almost triple the count it was two years ago. It is still in the low range so I am not letting myself worry about it (at least not consciously-who knows what my subconscious is doing!) I guess the virus has mutated and my immune system is in full attack mode again, thus my cryo and other immune (terrible dry eyes again after almost two full months of near normalacy!, and good ole IBS) problems have flared up. Anyway, I hope the above articles will help, while ImmuneSupport.com does sell the supplements, malic acid/magnesium is sold at all health food stores, many other sites on-line too. I do get the Double Strength Pro Energy from them on the frequent or preferred buyer program, but that is all. ImmuneSupport has some mightly pricey items! gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 ---------- >From: Go Friend <gofriend8@...> > > Malic acid? That is a new one on me. Do tell more, > please. Here are some urls of articles to read about the malic: http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/3113 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/1423 http://www.ImmuneSupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/172 http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/malic3.htm I cannot remember how I found out about malic acid (brain fog mostly gone, not completely gone!). I use it for the pain of my cryo-it is a big improvement-not the cure-all-but it has helped a lot. The great clearing of the brain fog has been a happy extra! Cryo causes blockage of the capillary beds that feed the peripheral areas and taking malic acid cannot change that fact. It is indicated for pain relief and the low energy levels of CFIDS (fibro, chronic fatigue, etc). I think the brain fog relief is due in part to the fact that I now sleep better due to less pain. Before, I got little sleep and that was of poor quality. Also my biochemistry is not quite as unbalanced as before due to malic acid's ability to improve the reaction rate of the Krebs cycle. I do not believe that my improvement on malic acid is a placebo effect-I had tried several other supplements for the leg pain, but they did not work. Some of the other supplements together did make a difference such as the multi, milk thistle, and ginger, but the malic acid has been the most successful of the supplements that I have tried for the cryo pain. Again-it is not a cure-all, I am currently giving Neurontin another try as I want off NSAIDS. I just had a viral load done and it is now almost triple the count it was two years ago. It is still in the low range so I am not letting myself worry about it (at least not consciously-who knows what my subconscious is doing!) I guess the virus has mutated and my immune system is in full attack mode again, thus my cryo and other immune (terrible dry eyes again after almost two full months of near normalacy!, and good ole IBS) problems have flared up. Anyway, I hope the above articles will help, while ImmuneSupport.com does sell the supplements, malic acid/magnesium is sold at all health food stores, many other sites on-line too. I do get the Double Strength Pro Energy from them on the frequent or preferred buyer program, but that is all. ImmuneSupport has some mightly pricey items! gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Checked out the malic acid. It is derived from apples. Which gives new credence to the old adage " An apple a day keeps the doctor away. " Also, the famous apple cider vinegar and honey as a help with arithritis makes more sense. I know that in the fall when fresh unpasteurized cider is in the Farmer's market, I drink lots of it and always feel a little better. I never knew if it was just the cider or the cooler weather of autumn (heat bothers me). I looked for malic acid in our local drugstorre and also the health food store, but didn't find any. Going to NYC for my second screening appointment for the Heptazyme trial Monday so if I have time will track some down there, otherwise the next time I order supplements online I will get some. I suspect it may help some more than others, and maybe stuff I already do covers it's base, but I'll keep trying things until I am back at normal energy levels. If I don't get into the trial, I have a couple of other ides also. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 , When I was experimenting with malic acid, I found a couple of industrial chemists willing to supply it. (In England and I didn't keep their names.) It's supplied as a bulk powder to the food industry, so it should be fairly easy to get-- try the phone book. I preferred Granny apples. Rob Malic acid > I would like to know if anyone has had success with Malic acid, with or > without magnesium. I can't find a supplement without magnesium stearate and > crap in it. Since I prefer whole food supplements, preferably raw, I am > eating sour apples, despite having problems with sugars. > > My muscles get weak, they become anerobic quickly and don't recover for days > or weeks after some kinds of intense use. This what I want to change. > > Does anyone know the best supplements or kind of apples to get malic acid? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 , Cardiovascular Research has a Malic Acid (600mg) without anything else in it. It can be ordered from www.vitaminshoppe.com have no connection with the vitamin shoppe. You spoke of your muscles have you looked into Mitochondrial Disease? H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 , I have the same muscular problems. I get anaerobic quickly, and if I do anything muscularly strenous, I'm dead for several weeks. In fact, I now have to use a wheelchair to get out. I just can't build. Someone mentioned mitochondrial problems. I had a biopsy done years ago showing a possible lipid myopathy. I need to follow up on it. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 You can get pure magnesium malate from Beyond-A-Century; I forget their website right now, but you should be able to find them through Google. -- el (andrea@...) Nevada City, CA, USA " ...wake now! Discover that you are the song that the morning brings... " " One is taught by experience to put a premium on those few people who can appreciate you for what you are. " - Gail Godwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 , I prefer apples to, but they make my blood sugar way imbalanced. Did you actually notice an effect from eating apples? Re: Malic acid , When I was experimenting with malic acid, I found a couple of industrial chemists willing to supply it. (In England and I didn't keep their names.) It's supplied as a bulk powder to the food industry, so it should be fairly easy to get-- try the phone book. I preferred Granny apples. Rob Malic acid > I would like to know if anyone has had success with Malic acid, with or > without magnesium. I can't find a supplement without magnesium stearate and > crap in it. Since I prefer whole food supplements, preferably raw, I am > eating sour apples, despite having problems with sugars. > > My muscles get weak, they become anerobic quickly and don't recover for days > or weeks after some kinds of intense use. This what I want to change. > > Does anyone know the best supplements or kind of apples to get malic acid? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 Re: Malic Acid [bMFB] Thanks , Cardiovascular Research has a Malic Acid (600mg) without anything else in it. I mean no binder, filles, etc, like magnesium stearate? You spoke of your muscles have you looked into Mitochondrial Disease? [bMFB] No, what do you know about it? H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 , Here are my notes, though they are somewhat inconclusive. Rob Malic Acid A report published in the Journal of Nutritional Medicine 92 set out a theory that FMS involves hypoxia in muscles and that this could be improved by supplementation with magnesium and malic acid, which acts with magnesium in enzyme systems. The authors briefly reported a preliminary clinical trial showing a reduction in tender point scores and significant improvements in subjective pain in all patients. Tablets containing 50 mg magnesium and 200 mg malic acid were used and when placebo tablets were substituted in the case of six patients, symptoms deteriorated within 48 hours. The authors said that a double-blind placebo trial was under way at the time of writing. They said that 12 of their 13 patients were deficient in magnesium, so we do not know to what extent their benefits were due to supplementation with this mineral. The tablets used were called Super-Malic, manufactured by Optimox Corp USA. Synthetic malic acid is available as a bulk food additive, E296, but malic acid is naturally present in temperate fruits, particularly apples - Capella advise that their juice contains between 0.35% and 0.56% according to season, so 100 ml provides between 3.5 g and 5.6 g, which is twice the amount used in the clinical trial. I started supplementary malic acid in August 94. The main effect was a reduction in fatigue and sleep, and on suspending supplementation on the fifth day, tiredness after 24 hrs increased very markedly. I noticed that the area of tenderness that spreads from the inside of my right elbow into the forearm had shrunk considerably. Perhaps malic acid intervenes in the disease process in an unknown but fundamental way, but more likely high doses act as a stimulant and/or reduce repair. One would expect a correction of hypoxia to improve the subject's capacity for aerobic exercise, but a reduction in a short time in pain levels and tender point scores must surely be due to another mechanism. Interestingly, 24 hrs after cessation on the fifth day there were occasional stinging pains in affected tissues in the forearms, knees and lower legs, and this was repeated when I suspended again ten days later. It appears that malic acid is interfering with a repair metabolism in some way, perhaps simply by raising the ph level. Experimenting with malic acid intake made me realise the effects of excessive acid consumption: even two glasses of apple juice daily produce discomfort around the gums (perhaps a combined effect with high magnesium levels), and sensitivity to other acid fruit juices and acidic jams. Although the early claims have never been substantiated, malic acid keeps cropping up and it is interesting that I feel a need for acidic apples and I eat about four a day, which is the sort of dose used in the trial. Re: Malic acid > > > , > > When I was experimenting with malic acid, I found a couple of industrial > chemists willing to supply it. (In England and I didn't keep their names.) > It's supplied as a bulk powder to the food industry, so it should be > fairly > easy to get-- try the phone book. I preferred Granny apples. > > Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 According to THE AMAZING LIVER CLEANSE by s Moritz, The preparation is the same period as drinking 1 litre of apple juice per day instead combine 1500-2000 mg FOOD GRADE malic acid with 2 glasses (16 ounces) of purified water. Drink the mixture in small doses throughout the day. Gold Coin Grass is another alternative to apple juice. BOth are easily obtained and reasonably inexpensive. Best regards, Deborah > Hey Guys, just one question since you've been so helpful. > I nstead of drinking apple juice, how much Malic Acid should I supplement per day prior to doing a flush . > > thanks again for all your answers. > -ras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Hi Kar, I used malic acid for 4 of my 5 liver flushes. I did not use anything the first time. I have had very successful liver flushes. I take 1,200 mg for the week prior to a flush. I cannot take apple juice in that volume because of yeast. Debbie kari95135 <karitrautman@...> wrote: Has anyone had good success in using malic acid instead of the apple juice? I can get down around 12-18 ounces a day, but more than that really upsets my stomach. I was wondering how much to supplement with or to take of the malic acid to bridge less juice than required. Also curious to find out if it really works the same. If it does, isn't malic acid just so much more pleasant and easier to do, wonder why it's not just recommended? Thanks, Kar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I got it for my mother in law at Whole Foods, or was it Wild Oats? anyway, a good health food store should have it. I think people you it as a chelator for something... g > Does anyone know where to get malic acid? Health food store, pharmacy??? Or do I order online? Thanks - p > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Thanks - I'm preparing for a liver cleanse and want to use it instead of apple juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Why does he recommend apple juice? I could NEVER handle apple juice. The last time I drank it was probably when I was in my early teens. LOL Re: Re: malic acid Thanks - I'm preparing for a liver cleanse and want to use it instead of apple juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 The liver cleanse was probably invented years ago (there's an old expression when someone is being miserable - " go take a dose of salts " ). Candida is only one of the reasons one would do a LF. Therefore, the directions are " general " and people with sugar problems have to find something else as a substitute to soften the gallstones. > Why does he recommend apple juice? > > I could NEVER handle apple juice. The last time I drank it was probably when I was in my early teens. LOL > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I have a related question. I just started reading s' Liver Cleanse book and feel like I need to jump in and do my first cleanse. I've considered it for months now, but get frightened off too easily. My question is ... would it be ok to do a cleanse this weekend even though I haven't been drinking a litre of apple juice each day this past week. However, I have been on a candidiasis diet for a few months and have been taking triphala, flax and borage oil, Metafiber (fruit fiber) during the past month and have been drinking about 6 oz of organic apple juice each day during the last 2-3 weeks. Do you think this diet would have sufficiently softened and stones enough for a flush? I won't be able to do a flush the following weekend and hate to keep putting it off. Alisha On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:37:44 -0000, suzt77 <suzt77@...> wrote: > > > I'm sure that perhaps someone has posted this before but how much > malic acid should you take each day in place of the apple juice > while doing the liver flush? > > I used apple cider vinegar last time and it's not the greatest taste > ever if you know what I mean. > > Any input appreciated. Even if you can point me to where I can find > this info myself. > > Thanks! > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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