Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain damage from DMSA? Andy?

[Guest guest]

I believe they observed brain damage in healthy non-toxic rats and

neurological improvement in lead poisoned rats after DMSA chelation

treatment.

[Guest guest]

It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: markojammes

It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives

http://www.onibasu.com That's exactly what happened, they gave the rats one

whopping dose of DMSA, then found that there were increased levels of metals in

the kidney and brain.

But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they were most likely

using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

[Guest guest]

" But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they were most likely

using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours. "

Is that what all DAN! Doctors suggest to do? We are meeting with one next month,

and I didn't realize that they don't do this as safely as they should.

Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain

damage from DMSA? Andy?

----- Original Message -----

From: markojammes

It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives http://www.onibasu.

com That's exactly what happened, they gave the rats one whopping dose of DMSA,

then found that there were increased levels of metals in the kidney and brain.

But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they were most likely

using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain

damage from DMSA? Andy?

----- Original Message -----

From: markojammes

It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives

http://www.onibasu. com That's exactly what happened, they gave the rats one

whopping dose of DMSA, then found that there were increased levels of metals in

the kidney and brain.

But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they were most likely

using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with . ( sigh....) We have been seeing 6 different DANs

so far, and finally we met this last one who we believe he truly knows what he

is doing, an immunologist/allergist, yet also believe bio-med and alternative

med and DANs protocols. For some reason, he is not a big fan of chelation. He

has never suggested us to use chelators such as DMSA, DMSP.. ALA....

But he does a very good job on building up our sons' immune, repaire his

metablism, treating his strep/PANDAS, and yeast.. now just by doing all of that,

I can see my son improved 100% in all aspects without any chelation... That's

also a reason why I am on this group, trying to learn about chelation, still

have a doubt in my mind, but still give it a huge hope.. I am still learning and

evaluating chelation...

Sincerely,

Rei

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From: Ladyshrink111@... <Ladyshrink111@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain

damage from DMSA? Andy?

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:14 AM

Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain

damage from DMSA? Andy?

----- Original Message -----

From: markojammes

It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives http://www.onibasu.

com That's exactly what happened, they gave the rats one whopping dose of DMSA,

then found that there were increased levels of metals in the kidney and brain.

But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they were most likely

using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain

damage from DMSA? Andy?

----- Original Message -----

From: markojammes

It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives

http://www.onibasu. com That's exactly what happened, they gave the rats one

whopping dose of DMSA, then found that there were increased levels of metals in

the kidney and brain.

But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they were most likely

using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

[Guest guest]

I like this bit: " The children in the study are unlikely to benefit,

says Dr. Carmen Paradis, a physician in the department of bioethics

at the Cleveland Clinic. "

Well, that is right, why do any studies at all if they are so sure it

would be no good? I wonder how ethical is this claim made before

studies?

Galina

>

> http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bioethicsforum/Post.aspx?id=2006

>

> The DMSA rat study is cited as proof that chelation is a dangerous

> treatment.

>

> Hope Andy is familiar with the rat DMSA study and can comment on it

and

> explain what happened here.

>

[Guest guest]

How is he repairing the metabolism and building up the immune system?

I know he is using biotin for the yeast.

On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Rei wrote:

> I totally agree with . ( sigh....) We have been seeing 6

> different DANs so far, and finally we met this last one who we

> believe he truly knows what he is doing, an immunologist/allergist,

> yet also believe bio-med and alternative med and DANs protocols.

> For some reason, he is not a big fan of chelation. He has never

> suggested us to use chelators such as DMSA, DMSP.. ALA....

> But he does a very good job on building up our sons' immune,

> repaire his metablism, treating his strep/PANDAS, and yeast.. now

> just by doing all of that, I can see my son improved 100% in all

> aspects without any chelation... That's also a reason why I am on

> this group, trying to learn about chelation, still have a doubt in

> my mind, but still give it a huge hope.. I am still learning and

> evaluating chelation...

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Rei

> Branch Manager

> Network Funding, LP

> 6070 Gateway East, Suite 509

> El Paso, TX 79905

> Phone: 915-775-4669

> Fax: 915-775-9916

> Cell: 915-691-9072

> Less in Debt. More in Life.

> Ask me about debt consolidation loans.

>

>

>

>

> From: Ladyshrink111@... <Ladyshrink111@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats

> got brain damage from DMSA? Andy?

>

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:14 AM

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats

> got brain damage from DMSA? Andy?

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: markojammes

>

> It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

>

> ===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archiveshttp://

> www.onibasu. com That's exactly what happened, they gave the rats

> one whopping dose of DMSA, then found that there were increased

> levels of metals in the kidney and brain.

>

> But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they were

> most likely using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Gee...and how much mercury did they give the rats to cause them to

have autism? And that didn't cause any brain damage?

> S S

The rats didnt have mercury poisoning, they were lead poisoned. The rat

study had nothing to do with autism.

[Guest guest]

> It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

>

> ===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives

http://www.onibasu.com That's exactly what happened, they gave the

rats one whopping dose of DMSA, then found that there were increased

levels of metals in the kidney and brain.

I'd like to read Andy's comment. How do metals get into the brain with

DMSA, which doesn't cross the BBB? Is it due to the size of the

(over)dose?

[Guest guest]

I believe the press was taking about this study:

http://www.ehponline.org/members/2006/9263/9263.pdf

The rats were given 50mg DMSA/kg a day the first week and then 25mg/kg

I believe they gave the DMSA twice a day.

So if i would follow their chelation protocol I would take 1750mg DMSA

twice a day first and then continue with 875mg.

There are people getting messed up from 100mg every other day....

[Guest guest]

Perhaps this study would have been a mistake and designed to prove

the wrong point.

Why don't some people with real data publish it?

Long ago Dr. Amy put hers out there on this list.

I guess that one reason is that we all did so many things it is hard

to say what worked best. We certainly had improvements during the

many months we did the oral DMSA / ALA along the lines of Andy's

protocol, and we have had slow and steady gains since.

But what we have are anecdotes.

Joe Marciano

>

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because

rats got brain damage from DMSA? Andy?

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: markojammes

>

> It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

>

> ===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives

http://www.onibasu. com That's exactly what happened, they gave the

rats one whopping dose of DMSA, then found that there were increased

levels of metals in the kidney and brain.

>

> But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they

were most likely using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am going to see my dan doctor this Tuesday.  We stopped chelating because my

son was having a yeast problem.  We have been treating his yeast now for about a

month.  My doctor wants to test again for yeast.  However, everytime we test for

yeast she wants me to stop all antifungals and probotics for 2 weeks.  Those 2

weeks are always hard.  It always seems that we end up again with a yeast

problem.  Do you always have to stop all antifungals and probotics to test for

yeast?  any suggestions?

Thanks,

Kelley

From: mkarty2007 <mkarty2007@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain damage

from DMSA? Andy?

Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:02 PM

I believe the press was taking about this study:

http://www.ehponlin e.org/members/ 2006/9263/ 9263.pdf

The rats were given 50mg DMSA/kg a day the first week and then 25mg/kg

I believe they gave the DMSA twice a day.

So if i would follow their chelation protocol I would take 1750mg DMSA

twice a day first and then continue with 875mg.

There are people getting messed up from 100mg every other day....

[Guest guest]

>

> http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bioethicsforum/Post.aspx?id=2006

>

> The DMSA rat study is cited as proof that chelation is a dangerous

> treatment.

>

> Hope Andy is familiar with the rat DMSA study and can comment on it and

> explain what happened here.

>

I've talked about this before.

Presuming the study accurately reported their observations, and observed

properly (both

big questions), we have the following facts:

the rats were given DMSA on a protocol known to be harmful and inappropriate and

dangerous, like the DAN! protocol.

We don't know how much lead the control rats had.

Rats with significant amounts of lead in them who aren't overtly toxic when you

start can

get very toxic from inappropriate and harmful chelation protocols, just like

autistic

chidlren do generally get horribly worse on the inappropriate and harmful

chelation

protocols most DAN! doctors use, e. g. TD-DMPS every other day, or DMSA every 8

hours.

These same autisic kids get better on a proper chelation protocol, as proven by

the

experience of many on this list and reported in the polls section.

So of course it is reasonable to expect that rats who could be made better by

chelation if it

were done right would be made worse when it was done wrong. Also it is

reasonable to

expect that many rats who weren't overtly toxic when you start would end up that

way

after inappropriate chelation.

It is almost impossible for any progress to be made in areas where doctors are

practicing

medicine without a clue but publishing random results and insisting that they

are the

experts and these results must not only be taken as gospel truth but presumed to

be of

wide and general applicability to all kinds of situations where it is actually

irrelevant.

The subject study is irrelevant to reality due to poor design (this is true of

most published

journal articles and people without the scientific background to figure it out,

which

includes almost all MD's, really ought to control themselves and ignore pubmed

abstracts).

Given the irrelevance of the study of brain damaging rats - after all, you can

brain damage

most organisms with a very wide variety of drugs if you use them wrong - and the

desparate need of mainstream medicine to not permit any trial of chelation in

autistic

children that could result in trillion dollar liabilities for vaccine

manufacturers and vaccine

administering pediatricians it is almost ludicrious that anyone takes it

seriously.

I wouild like to share a quote from one of the DAN! activists, Dr. Sidney Baker,

MD.

" " Research into the roots of autism has a legacy of conssensus that started with

the scam

that autism was the result of cold mothering, and more recently pointed the

finger beyond

mothers to ancestors - as genetics took over as the focus of attention and

spending on

autism research. The DAN! Consensus needs, thereefore, to be taken witha grain

of salt,

for consensus is no guarantee of legitimacy. "

This is from the 2007 supplement to the 2005 edition of Autism: Effective

Biomedical

Treatment.

Obviously, Dr. Baker does have his head screwed on straight. Hopefully people

on this list

have their head screwed on straight enough to avoid being agitated by irrelevant

pubmed

citations and instead stick to the real observatiosn of parents who have

chelated their kids

and got them better.

Andy

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bioethicsforum/Post.aspx?id=2006

> > >

> > > The DMSA rat study is cited as proof that chelation is a

> dangerous

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > Hope Andy is familiar with the rat DMSA study and can comment on

> it and

> > > explain what happened here.

> > >

> > I've talked about this before.

> >

> > Presuming the study accurately reported their observations, and

> observed properly (both

> > big questions), we have the following facts:

> >

> > the rats were given DMSA on a protocol known to be harmful and

> inappropriate and

> > dangerous, like the DAN! protocol.

> >

> > We don't know how much lead the control rats had.

> >

> > Rats with significant amounts of lead in them who aren't overtly

> toxic when you start can

> > get very toxic from inappropriate and harmful chelation protocols,

> just like autistic

> > chidlren do generally get horribly worse on the inappropriate and

> harmful chelation

> > protocols most DAN! doctors use, e. g. TD-DMPS every other day, or

> DMSA every 8 hours.

> >

> > These same autisic kids get better on a proper chelation protocol,

> as proven by the

> > experience of many on this list and reported in the polls section.

> >

> > So of course it is reasonable to expect that rats who could be made

> better by chelation if it

> > were done right would be made worse when it was done wrong. Also

> it is reasonable to

> > expect that many rats who weren't overtly toxic when you start

> would end up that way

> > after inappropriate chelation.

> >

> > It is almost impossible for any progress to be made in areas where

> doctors are practicing

> > medicine without a clue but publishing random results and insisting

> that they are the

> > experts and these results must not only be taken as gospel truth

> but presumed to be of

> > wide and general applicability to all kinds of situations where it

> is actually irrelevant.

> >

> > The subject study is irrelevant to reality due to poor design (this

> is true of most published

> > journal articles and people without the scientific background to

> figure it out, which

> > includes almost all MD's, really ought to control themselves and

> ignore pubmed abstracts).

> >

> > Given the irrelevance of the study of brain damaging rats - after

> all, you can brain damage

> > most organisms with a very wide variety of drugs if you use them

> wrong - and the

> > desparate need of mainstream medicine to not permit any trial of

> chelation in autistic

> > children that could result in trillion dollar liabilities for

> vaccine manufacturers and vaccine

> > administering pediatricians it is almost ludicrious that anyone

> takes it seriously.

> >

> > I wouild like to share a quote from one of the DAN! activists, Dr.

> Sidney Baker, MD.

> >

> > " " Research into the roots of autism has a legacy of conssensus that

> started with the scam

> > that autism was the result of cold mothering, and more recently

> pointed the finger beyond

> > mothers to ancestors - as genetics took over as the focus of

> attention and spending on

> > autism research. The DAN! Consensus needs, thereefore, to be taken

> witha grain of salt,

> > for consensus is no guarantee of legitimacy. "

> >

> > This is from the 2007 supplement to the 2005 edition of Autism:

> Effective Biomedical

> > Treatment.

> >

> > Obviously, Dr. Baker does have his head screwed on straight.

> Hopefully people on this list

> > have their head screwed on straight enough to avoid being agitated

> by irrelevant pubmed

> > citations and instead stick to the real observatiosn of parents who

> have chelated their kids

> > and got them better.

> >

> > Andy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > Re: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because

> rats got brain damage from DMSA? Andy?

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: markojammes

> >

> > It is probably caused by ignoring the half-life of the DMSA.

> >

> > ===>Yes, Andy has commented on this, answer in the archives

> http://www.onibasu. com That's exactly what happened, they gave the

> rats one whopping dose of DMSA, then found that there were increased

> levels of metals in the kidney and brain.

> >

> > But the proposed study wouldn't have done much better as they

> were most likely using the HUGE dan! dosing of DMSA every 8 hours.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> I like this bit: " The children in the study are unlikely to benefit,

> says Dr. Carmen Paradis, a physician in the department of bioethics

> at the Cleveland Clinic. "

Yup.

Physicians study ethics because licensed medicine is antithetical to it and they

have to

pretend otherwise.

They know how the study HAS to come out, so they aren't about to do it and take

the

chance it will come out the wrong way!

> Well, that is right, why do any studies at all if they are so sure it

> would be no good? I wonder how ethical is this claim made before

> studies?

>

> Galina

[Guest guest]

>

> I believe they observed brain damage in healthy non-toxic rats and

> neurological improvement in lead poisoned rats after DMSA chelation

> treatment.

Yes, raising the really very relevant issue that perhaps the DAN! doctors would

do well to

avoid excessively chelating kids who aren't going to be chelation responders

(which is

about 25%).

Andy

[Guest guest]

Funny, DMSA was tested on children at Hopkins Hospital in 2000 and

was found to be safe.

Document title: Safety and efficacy of meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic

acid (DMSA) in children with elevated blood lead concentrations

Author(s): CHISOLM J. J.

Author(s) Affiliation(s)

(1) Lead Poisoning Program, The Kennedy Krieger Institute, Baltimore,

land, ETATS-UNIS

Abstract

Objective: To evaluate the safety and efficacy of meso-2,3-

dimercaptosuccinic acid in the treatment of children with lead

toxicity. Design: This was an openlabel study in 59 children 12-65-

months old, with pretreatment whole-blood lead levels of 25-66 ìg/dL,

who received 116, 26-28 day courses of oral dimercaptosuccinic acid,

while residing either in the Pediatric Clinical Research Unit of the

s Hopkins Hospital or in lead-safe housing during the outpatient

portion of the study.

Results: All, who completed the study, showed sharp decreases in blood

lead concentration during therapy, but 2-3 weeks following completion

of drug therapy, blood lead concentration rebounded to an average of

58% (23 ìg Pb/dL of whole blood) of their average pretreatment blood

lead concentration (40 ìg Pb/dL of whole blood). There were no adverse

reactions attributable to dimercaptosuccinic acid; however, 2 of the 59

patients were reexposed to defective lead paint and experienced sharp

increases in blood lead concentration while on therapy. In one

instance, the child's blood lead concentration increased from 20 to 90

ìg Pb/dL whole blood in 1 week. Other unexpected events were discussed

in the text.

Conclusions: Dimercaptosuccinic acid is apparently safe and does

mobilize lead into the urine, but not the essential metals, zinc and

copper. Reexposure is always a danger; therefore, all children, while

on therapy, should be monitored for their blood lead concentration at

weekly intervals during and immediately after therapy. No conclusions

can be drawn from this study regarding long-term beneficial effects, if

any, of this drug on late neurocognitive outcome.

Journal of toxicology. Clinical toxicology ISSN 0731-3810

Source

2000, vol. 38, no4, pp. 365-375 (24 ref.)

Publisher

Dekker, Monticello, NY, ETATS-UNIS (1982-2004) (Revue)

Copyright 2008 INIST-CNRS. All rights reserved

> >

> > I believe they observed brain damage in healthy non-toxic rats and

> > neurological improvement in lead poisoned rats after DMSA chelation

> > treatment.

>

> Yes, raising the really very relevant issue that perhaps the DAN!

doctors would do well to

> avoid excessively chelating kids who aren't going to be chelation

responders (which is

> about 25%).

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

But unlike the rat study they did not cut the children up and look in

their brains and other organs to find concentrations in tissue.

Which is probably why their conclusion uses the term " apparently safe " .

wrote:

>

> Funny, DMSA was tested on children at Hopkins Hospital in 2000 and

> was found to be safe.

>

> Document title: Safety and efficacy of meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic

> acid (DMSA) in children with elevated blood lead concentrations

>

> Author(s): CHISOLM J. J.

>

> Author(s) Affiliation(s)

> (1) Lead Poisoning Program, The Kennedy Krieger Institute, Baltimore,

> land, ETATS-UNIS

>

> Abstract

> Objective: To evaluate the safety and efficacy of meso-2,3-

> dimercaptosuccinic acid in the treatment of children with lead

> toxicity. Design: This was an openlabel study in 59 children 12-65-

> months old, with pretreatment whole-blood lead levels of 25-66 ìg/dL,

> who received 116, 26-28 day courses of oral dimercaptosuccinic acid,

> while residing either in the Pediatric Clinical Research Unit of the

> s Hopkins Hospital or in lead-safe housing during the outpatient

> portion of the study.

>

> Results: All, who completed the study, showed sharp decreases in blood

> lead concentration during therapy, but 2-3 weeks following completion

> of drug therapy, blood lead concentration rebounded to an average of

> 58% (23 ìg Pb/dL of whole blood) of their average pretreatment blood

> lead concentration (40 ìg Pb/dL of whole blood). There were no adverse

> reactions attributable to dimercaptosuccinic acid; however, 2 of the 59

> patients were reexposed to defective lead paint and experienced sharp

> increases in blood lead concentration while on therapy. In one

> instance, the child's blood lead concentration increased from 20 to 90

> ìg Pb/dL whole blood in 1 week. Other unexpected events were discussed

> in the text.

>

> Conclusions: Dimercaptosuccinic acid is apparently safe and does

> mobilize lead into the urine, but not the essential metals, zinc and

> copper. Reexposure is always a danger; therefore, all children, while

> on therapy, should be monitored for their blood lead concentration at

> weekly intervals during and immediately after therapy. No conclusions

> can be drawn from this study regarding long-term beneficial effects, if

> any, of this drug on late neurocognitive outcome.

>

> Journal of toxicology. Clinical toxicology ISSN 0731-3810

> Source

> 2000, vol. 38, no4, pp. 365-375 (24 ref.)

>

> Publisher

> Dekker, Monticello, NY, ETATS-UNIS (1982-2004) (Revue)

>

> Copyright 2008 INIST-CNRS. All rights reserved

>

>

> > >

> > > I believe they observed brain damage in healthy non-toxic rats and

> > > neurological improvement in lead poisoned rats after DMSA chelation

> > > treatment.

> >

> > Yes, raising the really very relevant issue that perhaps the DAN!

> doctors would do well to

> > avoid excessively chelating kids who aren't going to be chelation

> responders (which is

> > about 25%).

> >

> > Andy

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am going to see my dan doctor this Tuesday. We stopped chelating

because my son was having a yeast problem. We have been treating his

yeast now for about a month. My doctor wants to test again for

yeast. However, everytime we test for yeast she wants me to stop all

antifungals and probotics for 2 weeks. Those 2 weeks are always

hard. It always seems that we end up again with a yeast problem. Do

you always have to stop all antifungals and probotics to test for

yeast? any suggestions?

This makes no sense to me. Let's say you have no yeast overgrowth at

all, so long as you are taking anti-fungals and/or probiotics. So

what the doctor is basically saying, is " stop the anti-fungals so you

will have a yeast overgrowth problem when we test " .

What you really want, in my opinion, is to know if you have a yeast

overgrowth problem WHEN YOU ARE TAKING THE ANTI-FUNGALS.

I would personally not do the test at all, with or without

anti-fungals. Just increase your anti-fungals/probiotics, and see if

things improve.

Chelation will tend to increase yeast anyway, so in my opinion, so

long as things are " reasonably under control " now, be sure you have

anti-fungals on hand to eliminate the overgrowth that will start when

you chelate [i used biotin and GSE] and start chelating.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Have you heard of any adverse reactions to GSE?  My son is reacting to something

and I can't figure out what it is.  He seems to be more irritable,defiant, and

autistic when he is on the GSE.  Or maybe it is just die off?  What are your

thoughts?

Thanks,

Kelley

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain damage

from DMSA? Andy?

Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 10:55 AM

>

> I am going to see my dan doctor this Tuesday. We stopped chelating

because my son was having a yeast problem. We have been treating his

yeast now for about a month. My doctor wants to test again for

yeast. However, everytime we test for yeast she wants me to stop all

antifungals and probotics for 2 weeks. Those 2 weeks are always

hard. It always seems that we end up again with a yeast problem. Do

you always have to stop all antifungals and probotics to test for

yeast? any suggestions?

This makes no sense to me. Let's say you have no yeast overgrowth at

all, so long as you are taking anti-fungals and/or probiotics. So

what the doctor is basically saying, is " stop the anti-fungals so you

will have a yeast overgrowth problem when we test " .

What you really want, in my opinion, is to know if you have a yeast

overgrowth problem WHEN YOU ARE TAKING THE ANTI-FUNGALS.

I would personally not do the test at all, with or without

anti-fungals. Just increase your anti-fungals/ probiotics, and see if

things improve.

Chelation will tend to increase yeast anyway, so in my opinion, so

long as things are " reasonably under control " now, be sure you have

anti-fungals on hand to eliminate the overgrowth that will start when

you chelate [i used biotin and GSE] and start chelating.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Another question I have is that my dan doctor determined our heavy metal status

by a prevoked urine sample.  It showed my son was really high on lead. I have

been reading here that everyone is using a hair sample.  Should I get that test

instead?  Is my urine test not accurate?

Thanks,

kelley

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Autism study stopped because rats got brain damage

from DMSA? Andy?

Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 10:55 AM

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> I am going to see my dan doctor this Tuesday. We stopped chelating

because my son was having a yeast problem. We have been treating his

yeast now for about a month. My doctor wants to test again for

yeast. However, everytime we test for yeast she wants me to stop all

antifungals and probotics for 2 weeks. Those 2 weeks are always

hard. It always seems that we end up again with a yeast problem. Do

you always have to stop all antifungals and probotics to test for

yeast? any suggestions?

This makes no sense to me. Let's say you have no yeast overgrowth at

all, so long as you are taking anti-fungals and/or probiotics. So

what the doctor is basically saying, is " stop the anti-fungals so you

will have a yeast overgrowth problem when we test " .

What you really want, in my opinion, is to know if you have a yeast

overgrowth problem WHEN YOU ARE TAKING THE ANTI-FUNGALS.

I would personally not do the test at all, with or without

anti-fungals. Just increase your anti-fungals/ probiotics, and see if

things improve.

Chelation will tend to increase yeast anyway, so in my opinion, so

long as things are " reasonably under control " now, be sure you have

anti-fungals on hand to eliminate the overgrowth that will start when

you chelate [i used biotin and GSE] and start chelating.

Dana

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> > I am going to see my dan doctor this Tuesday. We stopped chelating

> because my son was having a yeast problem. We have been treating his

> yeast now for about a month. My doctor wants to test again for

> yeast. However, everytime we test for yeast she wants me to stop all

> antifungals and probotics for 2 weeks. Those 2 weeks are always

> hard. It always seems that we end up again with a yeast problem. Do

> you always have to stop all antifungals and probotics to test for

> yeast? any suggestions?

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> This makes no sense to me. Let's say you have no yeast overgrowth at

> all, so long as you are taking anti-fungals and/or probiotics. So

> what the doctor is basically saying, is " stop the anti-fungals so you

> will have a yeast overgrowth problem when we test " .

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> What you really want, in my opinion, is to know if you have a yeast

> overgrowth problem WHEN YOU ARE TAKING THE ANTI-FUNGALS.

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> I would personally not do the test at all, with or without

> anti-fungals. Just increase your anti-fungals/ probiotics, and see if

> things improve.

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> Chelation will tend to increase yeast anyway, so in my opinion, so

> long as things are " reasonably under control " now, be sure you have

> anti-fungals on hand to eliminate the overgrowth that will start when

> you chelate [i used biotin and GSE] and start chelating.

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