Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Hi, Donna, >Did you get your allergy shots from a " traditional " allergist? Those shots >are usually highly preserved, most often, I think, with phenol, which is an >aldehyde. Just a quibble - phenol is an organic acid, not an aldehyde. It is also known as carbolic acid, and was the first thing used by Lister to sterilize surgical equipment and rooms. It is also the thing that makes " Noxema Medicated Comfort Shave " medicated. Not to say that its OK to use. In high enough concentrations it can cause nasty chemical burns, even to the point of being fatal. And even in low concentrations it can be a allergic sensitizer like many of the aldehydes. Jerry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Just a quibble - phenol is an organic acid, not an aldehyde. Thanks, I stand corrected. My reactions to it are similar to my reactions to aldehydes, (I am highly sensitized to both) and I thought (boy, actual thinking was really a long time ago) that the solution we soaked our cadavers in was phenol which someone called a formaldehyde. But that was over twenty years ago, so who knows what my memory has jumbled up. But come to think of it, we sterilized our equipment in Cidex, which I believe is a gluteraldehyde and no mention of phenol then. Had to toss all my chemistry books when they got moldy in a flood in my father's basement where I was storing them. Best get some new some ones, I think Donna in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Hi, Donna, >the solution we soaked our >cadavers in was phenol which someone called a formaldehyde. I think the embalming fluid is a combination of formaldehyde and phenol. Formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde and for that matter paraldehyde sterilize things by cross-linking proteins. But in people, cross-linked proteins can lead to abnormal immune responses - that's what is assumed to cause the chemical/allergic sensitization. Jerry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2001 Report Share Posted January 15, 2001 Phenol also builds up in the liver and can be quite toxic. My husband used to be in molecular biology as an undergrad and grad student, and had frequent briefings on which things needed to be used under a hood in order to prolong his life expectancy! When I was getting NAET test and treatments, phenol came up. I am apparently very sensitive to it, and have to stay away from many OTC " medicated " products as a result. YMMV. -- el - andrea@..., andrea_frankel@... " ...wake now! Discover that you are the song that the morning brings... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 Thanks Jerry! Donna > I think the embalming fluid is a combination of formaldehyde and phenol. > Formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde and for that matter paraldehyde sterilize > things by cross-linking proteins. But in people, cross-linked proteins can > lead to abnormal immune responses - that's what is assumed to cause the > chemical/allergic sensitization. > > Jerry > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 yeast or citrus... Phenols usually make red ears, red cheeks, hyperness... > > would a phenol reaction give you blisters in your mouth or does that > sound more like an allergy to citrus? Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 So its possible that it's citrus. Anything to help with citrus reactions? On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Jan wrote: > yeast or citrus... > > Phenols usually make red ears, red cheeks, hyperness... > > > > > > would a phenol reaction give you blisters in your mouth or does that > > sound more like an allergy to citrus? Thanks > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 > > would a phenol reaction give you blisters in your mouth or does that > sound more like an allergy to citrus? Phenol never caused blisters here. Mouth blisters were caused by yeast, viruses, and intolerance. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 so a phenol issue is not considered an intolerance? On Feb 24, 2009, at 8:33 AM, danasview wrote: > > > > > would a phenol reaction give you blisters in your mouth or does that > > sound more like an allergy to citrus? > > Phenol never caused blisters here. Mouth blisters were caused by > yeast, viruses, and intolerance. > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 > > so a phenol issue is not considered an intolerance? Phenol issues are conversion issues. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Another question, please... Could orange juice cause phenol issues? Any chance it would cause beta-carotene issues? Sorry - dumb questions maybe... Or are these the same thing maybe? D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Bob's makes a certified gluten-free rolled oats product -- not cross- contaminated because only oats are grown in those fields, no other grains. I found it at our local HFS, did not see it at Whole Foods. > > Another question, please... Could orange juice cause phenol issues? Any chance it would cause beta-carotene issues? Sorry - dumb questions maybe... Or are these the same thing maybe? > > D. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 > > Another question, please... Could orange juice cause phenol issues? Yes >>Any chance it would cause beta-carotene issues? Very much yes. Oranges and carrots were my son's worst foods, because of his carotene conversion problem. >>Or are these the same thing maybe? Different problems entirely, altho both are conversion issues. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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