Re: Conference focused on my sons disorganization

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I am seeking out a different teacher for . He doesn't deserve to

> fail in 5th grade just because he's disorganized.

>

Let me restate that for you:

" He doesn't deserve to fail in 5th grade just because HIS TEACHER is

so disorganized. "

I would encourage you go back and reread your description of the

teacher's inability to readily pull up information you requested,

answer questions you asked about such info, etc. I thought you were

sort of being funny and sarcastic (okay, that's what I would be doing)

in pointing up how the teacher is guilty of the issue he can't let go

of with your child. If the teacher were good at this organization

thing, he could probably help your child get better with it. My read

on the situation: It's such a big flippin' deal to the teacher

because he's so impaired that your child completely trips him up. He

can't function if the little kids aren't super organized. The

littlest bump in the road has him all wrapped around the axle and

wound up like a spring so bad he can't think.

Peace.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

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[Guest guest]

Oops. So, of course, the teacher is female. <sheepish grin>

My point still stands.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

http://www.solanorail.org

> Let me restate that for you:

> " He doesn't deserve to fail in 5th grade just because HIS TEACHER is

> so disorganized. "

>

> I would encourage you go back and reread your description of the

> teacher's inability to readily pull up information you requested,

> answer questions you asked about such info, etc. I thought you were

> sort of being funny and sarcastic (okay, that's what I would be doing)

> in pointing up how the teacher is guilty of the issue he can't let go

> of with your child. If the teacher were good at this organization

> thing, he could probably help your child get better with it. My read

> on the situation: It's such a big flippin' deal to the teacher

> because he's so impaired that your child completely trips him up. He

> can't function if the little kids aren't super organized. The

> littlest bump in the road has him all wrapped around the axle and

> wound up like a spring so bad he can't think.

>

> Peace.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.org

> http://www.kidslikemine.org

> http://www.solanorail.org

>

[Guest guest]

anyway can you meet with the principle about this inferior

conference? Perhaps politely bring up your concerns that this teacher

cannot help your son.

It sounds like she'd rather put the blame on your son than face the

fact that maybe she can't teach him.

-- In , " "

<elizabethsoliday@...> wrote:

>

> My son is disorganized, yes I know this. It was all his teacher

> could focus on during the conference, she hands me oodles of

> paperwork describing her policies, standards, and organization

> required. " Look at his desk " she said twice. Okay, so 15 minutes

> into our conference about how disorganized my son is, I finally get a

> word in and say,

>

> Me - " So how is he doing academically? "

>

> She cannot answer the question.

>

> Teacher - " If he was bringing home his work, you would see the grades

> and marks on it and be able to find out " .

>

> Huh, well, he's not, that seems to be a problem.

>

> Me - " Do you have a record of the students' grades in each subject? "

>

> Teacher - " Well, that's on my computer, but the whole idea is that he

> is supposed to be keeping track of his grades and bringing the papers

> home " .

>

> Me - " Well, we have brought everything home, organized it and it

> still seems to be a problem. How can we help him get past this and

> be successful learning "

>

> Teacher - " He's going to need to be organized in middle school and he

> needs to put forth the effort to make it happen, it's a choice and he

> is not concerned enough about making the right choices. There is

> another parent waiting, I have to let you go. "

>

> Me - " Okay, well this organization thing continues to be a problem, I

> don't think it is the MOST important thing in school, I think

> academics is, and if its getting in the way of his learning, I think

> he needs someone to help him with it. I want him evaluated for

> special services for it. "

>

> Teacher - " okay, we can arrange that "

>

> ____________

>

> Sorry so long, I am venting because I think he has such a crappy

> teacher. He was sitting there crying because he thinks he's doing

> terrible in her class. I know he is a bright young man and she is

> failing to see any of his good qualities. I don't see positive

> motivation going on.

>

> The last teacher he had in Oregon came to conferences with some of

> his best work and a favorite story that had written. He sat

> there and read the story to me and told me he thought had such a

> good imagination. He also told me areas where had difficulty

> and what we could work on.

>

> I am seeking out a different teacher for . He doesn't deserve to

> fail in 5th grade just because he's disorganized.

>

[Guest guest]

Our son would have had the same type of teacher that your son has if

I had kept him in the elementry school was in last year. This was not

going to be a good fit for our son!

The reason I knew this teacher was such an " organization " freak is

because I had him as my teacher.

I know our son does not have good organizational skills and this

would not be a good fit. I don't have it in me to fight the system

anymore.

Our son is in a Montesouri school and has his own special IEP

teacher for 2 1/2 hours each day. He has the benefits of a smaller

school and classroom. For this reason the teachers and staff do have

more time to help them aquire the skills.

His teacher he has this year is very forgiving. She sees his

strength and helps him share those with his peers. That is what a

teacher should be doing.

I would definantly find a different teacher or school! I wouldn't

have the time or energy for your son's teacher. We only have so much

reserved each day. Laurie

> >

> > My son is disorganized, yes I know this. It was all his teacher

> > could focus on during the conference, she hands me oodles of

> > paperwork describing her policies, standards, and organization

> > required. " Look at his desk " she said twice. Okay, so 15

minutes

> > into our conference about how disorganized my son is, I finally

get a

> > word in and say,

> >

> > Me - " So how is he doing academically? "

> >

> > She cannot answer the question.

> >

> > Teacher - " If he was bringing home his work, you would see the

grades

> > and marks on it and be able to find out " .

> >

> > Huh, well, he's not, that seems to be a problem.

> >

> > Me - " Do you have a record of the students' grades in each

subject? "

> >

> > Teacher - " Well, that's on my computer, but the whole idea is

that he

> > is supposed to be keeping track of his grades and bringing the

papers

> > home " .

> >

> > Me - " Well, we have brought everything home, organized it and it

> > still seems to be a problem. How can we help him get past this

and

> > be successful learning "

> >

> > Teacher - " He's going to need to be organized in middle school

and he

> > needs to put forth the effort to make it happen, it's a choice

and he

> > is not concerned enough about making the right choices. There is

> > another parent waiting, I have to let you go. "

> >

> > Me - " Okay, well this organization thing continues to be a

problem, I

> > don't think it is the MOST important thing in school, I think

> > academics is, and if its getting in the way of his learning, I

think

> > he needs someone to help him with it. I want him evaluated for

> > special services for it. "

> >

> > Teacher - " okay, we can arrange that "

> >

> > ____________

> >

> > Sorry so long, I am venting because I think he has such a crappy

> > teacher. He was sitting there crying because he thinks he's

doing

> > terrible in her class. I know he is a bright young man and she

is

> > failing to see any of his good qualities. I don't see positive

> > motivation going on.

> >

> > The last teacher he had in Oregon came to conferences with some

of

> > his best work and a favorite story that had written. He sat

> > there and read the story to me and told me he thought had

such a

> > good imagination. He also told me areas where had

difficulty

> > and what we could work on.

> >

> > I am seeking out a different teacher for . He doesn't

deserve to

> > fail in 5th grade just because he's disorganized.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand where she is coming from (I am a middle school teacher) but I think

she handled it rather rudely and has very little compassion or tact.

I have a student who requires special services and is a danger to himself and

others when left unattended. He has a papapro who is great, but if the parapro

is out or gets pulled to somewhere else I can NOT teach my class. I am

constantly chasing him back to his seat. I have sharp knives, stoves, ovens,

raw meat, etc all throughout my classroom. The other kids are left to fend for

themselves on those days. All 31 others. It is hard to serve both but the key

is flexibility. It really does work. Maybe she needs help to see that.

> >

> > My son is disorganized, yes I know this. It was all

> his teacher

> > could focus on during the conference, she hands me

> oodles of

> > paperwork describing her policies, standards, and

> organization

> > required. " Look at his desk " she said

> twice. Okay, so 15 minutes

> > into our conference about how disorganized my son is,

> I finally get a

> > word in and say,

> >

> > Me - " So how is he doing academically? "

> >

> > She cannot answer the question.

> >

> > Teacher - " If he was bringing home his work, you

> would see the grades

> > and marks on it and be able to find out " .

> >

> > Huh, well, he's not, that seems to be a problem.

> >

> > Me - " Do you have a record of the students'

> grades in each subject? "

> >

> > Teacher - " Well, that's on my computer, but

> the whole idea is that he

> > is supposed to be keeping track of his grades and

> bringing the papers

> > home " .

> >

> > Me - " Well, we have brought everything home,

> organized it and it

> > still seems to be a problem. How can we help him get

> past this and

> > be successful learning "

> >

> > Teacher - " He's going to need to be organized

> in middle school and he

> > needs to put forth the effort to make it happen,

> it's a choice and he

> > is not concerned enough about making the right

> choices. There is

> > another parent waiting, I have to let you go. "

> >

> > Me - " Okay, well this organization thing

> continues to be a problem, I

> > don't think it is the MOST important thing in

> school, I think

> > academics is, and if its getting in the way of his

> learning, I think

> > he needs someone to help him with it. I want him

> evaluated for

> > special services for it. "

> >

> > Teacher - " okay, we can arrange that "

> >

> > ____________

> >

> > Sorry so long, I am venting because I think he has

> such a crappy

> > teacher. He was sitting there crying because he

> thinks he's doing

> > terrible in her class. I know he is a bright young

> man and she is

> > failing to see any of his good qualities. I don't

> see positive

> > motivation going on.

> >

> > The last teacher he had in Oregon came to conferences

> with some of

> > his best work and a favorite story that had

> written. He sat

> > there and read the story to me and told me he thought

> had such a

> > good imagination. He also told me areas where

> had difficulty

> > and what we could work on.

> >

> > I am seeking out a different teacher for . He

> doesn't deserve to

> > fail in 5th grade just because he's disorganized.

> >

[Guest guest]

I had the same experience in 4th grade & warned them they were gonna have to fix

somethin before he went on to the 5th, but they continued & now he is at a

private school. He loves it!

I'm sorry ou are goin thru this, but I have learned that the fights usually lead

to a better way for you & your child.

>

> My son is disorganized, yes I know this. It was all his teacher

> could focus on during the conference, she hands me oodles of

> paperwork describing her policies, standards, and organization

> required. " Look at his desk " she said twice. Okay, so 15 minutes

> into our conference about how disorganized my son is, I finally get a

> word in and say,

>

> Me - " So how is he doing academically? "

>

> She cannot answer the question.

>

> Teacher - " If he was bringing home his work, you would see the grades

> and marks on it and be able to find out " .

>

> Huh, well, he's not, that seems to be a problem.

>

> Me - " Do you have a record of the students' grades in each subject? "

>

> Teacher - " Well, that's on my computer, but the whole idea is that he

> is supposed to be keeping track of his grades and bringing the papers

> home " .

>

> Me - " Well, we have brought everything home, organized it and it

> still seems to be a problem. How can we help him get past this and

> be successful learning "

>

> Teacher - " He's going to need to be organized in middle school and he

> needs to put forth the effort to make it happen, it's a choice and he

> is not concerned enough about making the right choices. There is

> another parent waiting, I have to let you go. "

>

> Me - " Okay, well this organization thing continues to be a problem, I

> don't think it is the MOST important thing in school, I think

> academics is, and if its getting in the way of his learning, I think

> he needs someone to help him with it. I want him evaluated for

> special services for it. "

>

> Teacher - " okay, we can arrange that "

>

> ____________

>

> Sorry so long, I am venting because I think he has such a crappy

> teacher. He was sitting there crying because he thinks he's doing

> terrible in her class. I know he is a bright young man and she is

> failing to see any of his good qualities. I don't see positive

> motivation going on.

>

> The last teacher he had in Oregon came to conferences with some of

> his best work and a favorite story that had written. He sat

> there and read the story to me and told me he thought had such a

> good imagination. He also told me areas where had difficulty

> and what we could work on.

>

> I am seeking out a different teacher for . He doesn't deserve to

> fail in 5th grade just because he's disorganized.

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From:

Hi ,

We got summoned to school when my daughter was in her sophomore year to talk

about her organization or lack thereof. It was our second visit to the school

for this conference as the teacher had totally missed the first one, she had

lost her appointment book. As we sat there during the second conference with

the principal waiting for the teacher who was 15 minutes late, I said to my dh

" This should be interesting. "

When the teacher finally arrived she spent 10 minutes telling us how

disorganized our dd was, not suprise here, she was. She was ADD, no attention

problems but organizational issues. This teacher also talked about how our dd

was *purposely* not organized.

After the teacher's diatribe I only asked her one ? and that was " What are you

doing to *model* organizational skills for our dd? " She actually had the nerve

to say that her disorganization was caused by her greater responsibility in

being a teacher with so much responsibility. Yes, the dh said, but our dd is a

child, the responsibility is commensurate with her age.

The organization is a motor planning issue, it is NOT a choice. Ask the

school, in writing, for a Multi Factor Evaluation (MFE) which includes an OT

(Occupational Therapist) assessment so that they can design a program to start

to help him with this issue.

The teacher is projecting in the worst way, at the expense of your kid. He is

messing her up because she is unorganized, it's not his job to be organized to

make her job easy. Get the principal involved to talk about how the teacher's

negativity and criticism in this area, for which he needs only assistance, is

impacting him.

We did get our dd help, not the kind recommended here as we were dealing only

with information that was available then, but she grew up, went to college and

got a job with a Fortune 500 company where she was in charge of hiring all the

employees. The teacher, I hear, is still disorganized.

My son is disorganized, yes I know this. It was all his teacher

could focus on during the conference, she hands me oodles of

paperwork describing her policies, standards, and organization

required. " Look at his desk " she said twice. Okay, so 15 minutes

into our conference about how disorganized my son is, I finally get a

word in and say,

Me - " So how is he doing academically? "

She cannot answer the question.

Teacher - " If he was bringing home his work, you would see the grades

and marks on it and be able to find out " .

Huh, well, he's not, that seems to be a problem.

Me - " Do you have a record of the students' grades in each subject? "

Teacher - " Well, that's on my computer, but the whole idea is that he

is supposed to be keeping track of his grades and bringing the papers

home " .

Me - " Well, we have brought everything home, organized it and it

still seems to be a problem. How can we help him get past this and

be successful learning "

Teacher - " He's going to need to be organized in middle school and he

needs to put forth the effort to make it happen, it's a choice and he

is not concerned enough about making the right choices. There is

another parent waiting, I have to let you go. "

Me - " Okay, well this organization thing continues to be a problem, I

don't think it is the MOST important thing in school, I think

academics is, and if its getting in the way of his learning, I think

he needs someone to help him with it. I want him evaluated for

special services for it. "

Teacher - " okay, we can arrange that "

____________

Sorry so long, I am venting because I think he has such a crappy

teacher. He was sitting there crying because he thinks he's doing

terrible in her class. I know he is a bright young man and she is

failing to see any of his good qualities. I don't see positive

motivation going on.

The last teacher he had in Oregon came to conferences with some of

his best work and a favorite story that had written. He sat

there and read the story to me and told me he thought had such a

good imagination. He also told me areas where had difficulty

and what we could work on.

I am seeking out a different teacher for . He doesn't deserve to

fail in 5th grade just because he's disorganized.

[Guest guest]

Great to hear that about your daughter. That is such a great story!

On Nov 1, 2008, at 7:42 AM, <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From:

>

> Hi ,

>

> We got summoned to school when my daughter was in her sophomore

> year to talk about her organization or lack thereof. It was our

> second visit to the school for this conference as the teacher had

> totally missed the first one, she had lost her appointment book. As

> we sat there during the second conference with the principal

> waiting for the teacher who was 15 minutes late, I said to my dh

> " This should be interesting. "

>

> When the teacher finally arrived she spent 10 minutes telling us

> how disorganized our dd was, not suprise here, she was. She was

> ADD, no attention problems but organizational issues. This teacher

> also talked about how our dd was *purposely* not organized.

>

> After the teacher's diatribe I only asked her one ? and that was

> " What are you doing to *model* organizational skills for our dd? "

> She actually had the nerve to say that her disorganization was

> caused by her greater responsibility in being a teacher with so

> much responsibility. Yes, the dh said, but our dd is a child, the

> responsibility is commensurate with her age.

>

> The organization is a motor planning issue, it is NOT a choice. Ask

> the school, in writing, for a Multi Factor Evaluation (MFE) which

> includes an OT (Occupational Therapist) assessment so that they can

> design a program to start to help him with this issue.

>

> The teacher is projecting in the worst way, at the expense of your

> kid. He is messing her up because she is unorganized, it's not his

> job to be organized to make her job easy. Get the principal

> involved to talk about how the teacher's negativity and criticism

> in this area, for which he needs only assistance, is impacting him.

>

> We did get our dd help, not the kind recommended here as we were

> dealing only with information that was available then, but she grew

> up, went to college and got a job with a Fortune 500 company where

> she was in charge of hiring all the employees. The teacher, I hear,

> is still disorganized.

>

>

>

> My son is disorganized, yes I know this. It was all his teacher

> could focus on during the conference, she hands me oodles of

> paperwork describing her policies, standards, and organization

> required. " Look at his desk " she said twice. Okay, so 15 minutes

> into our conference about how disorganized my son is, I finally get a

> word in and say,

>

> Me - " So how is he doing academically? "

>

> She cannot answer the question.

>

> Teacher - " If he was bringing home his work, you would see the grades

> and marks on it and be able to find out " .

>

> Huh, well, he's not, that seems to be a problem.

>

> Me - " Do you have a record of the students' grades in each subject? "

>

> Teacher - " Well, that's on my computer, but the whole idea is that he

> is supposed to be keeping track of his grades and bringing the papers

> home " .

>

> Me - " Well, we have brought everything home, organized it and it

> still seems to be a problem. How can we help him get past this and

> be successful learning "

>

> Teacher - " He's going to need to be organized in middle school and he

> needs to put forth the effort to make it happen, it's a choice and he

> is not concerned enough about making the right choices. There is

> another parent waiting, I have to let you go. "

>

> Me - " Okay, well this organization thing continues to be a problem, I

> don't think it is the MOST important thing in school, I think

> academics is, and if its getting in the way of his learning, I think

> he needs someone to help him with it. I want him evaluated for

> special services for it. "

>

> Teacher - " okay, we can arrange that "

>

> ____________

>

> Sorry so long, I am venting because I think he has such a crappy

> teacher. He was sitting there crying because he thinks he's doing

> terrible in her class. I know he is a bright young man and she is

> failing to see any of his good qualities. I don't see positive

> motivation going on.

>

> The last teacher he had in Oregon came to conferences with some of

> his best work and a favorite story that had written. He sat

> there and read the story to me and told me he thought had such a

> good imagination. He also told me areas where had difficulty

> and what we could work on.

>

> I am seeking out a different teacher for . He doesn't deserve to

> fail in 5th grade just because he's disorganized.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Sorry so long, I am venting because I think he has such a crappy

> teacher. He was sitting there crying because he thinks he's doing

> terrible in her class. I know he is a bright young man and she is

> failing to see any of his good qualities. I don't see positive

> motivation going on.

My #1 is/was disorganized [this is my former AS/CAPD kid]. It was a

LOT worse when he was younger, but now [he is 14] it is just a mild

annoyance. Chelation and several supplements were VERY helpful in

this area, but there is still a small lingering issue that we are

currently working on.

I homeschool my kids, but for high school my #1 wanted to join the

extension program of a local private university that offers a program

for homeschooled middle school and high school students. The classes

meet Tuesday and Thursday.

Anyway, he is 14, so a freshman, but he enrolled in sophomore classes,

one of which is an honors class. He is doing VERY well. So I just

wanted to let you know that your son *is* a bright young man. Don't

let this teacher convince you [or him] otherwise.

Dana