Re: Cell Food - Update from BrainChild

September 5, 2008

----- Original Message -----

From: tmykland

====>Ummmm....why would this not make me feel better about using this

product...... if the company can't be responsible for the LABEL how could they

be trusted with the actual contents? Regardless, I would not eat/use anything

that came from the sea.

My email inquiries of the Dulse product we discussed a few days has gone

unanswered. Ask for independent assays of anything questionable. Mark Schauss

told me if they can't or won't provide it there is usually a good reason.

Hello Everyone,

I'm including below a letter I received from Mark , the CEO of

Lumina Health, on Wednesday, regarding the questions about the

contents of Cell Food. Mark has been very responsive to my request

for clarification on this question.

I waited a couple days to send this, because I have been trying (and

will continue to try) to get a firsthand look at testing results that

back up what they say here. Mark has told me who I need to talk to

about getting these results. I will let you know if I am able to do this.

What Mark told me is that Cell Food is derived from sea water and

sea vegetation, and therefore contains all elements that occur in

nature. Lumina has discovered that these 2 elements we asked about

(which do not occur in nature) were included in their list by mistake

over twenty years ago, and is therefore changing the official Cell

Food ingredient list to reflect that it does not contain these

elements. Additionally, there has never been an issue with lead in

Cell Food, as Mark describes in his letter.

I want to state very clearly that we at BrainChild continue to believe

that Cell Food is a safe and useful tool for oxygenating the gut,

shifting pH and detox support. I strongly believe that each of us has

a responsibility to read and understand the supplements that we give

our children sufficiently to make informed decisions.

The letter below is exactly what Mark sent me, except that I have

omitted his personal contact info from the end.

Terri Mykland

CEO

BrainChild Nutritionals

--------------------------------------------------

Dear Terri:

It was a pleasure meeting you over the phone earlier today.

I just completed my conference with Mr. Negrete, president

of NuScience Coporation (www.nuscience.com), manufacturers of

Cellfood.

What we have determined is that the first of Mr. Andy Cutler's

observations ï¿½ " - that technetium (not technecium, as his email read)

and promethium are not naturally occurring elements ï¿½ " is correct, and

we have therefore discovered that they have been mistakenly listed as

Cellfood ingredients for many years. And we believe we've discovered

why this error was originally made many years ago:

There is a common reference on the internet ï¿½ " even today ï¿½ " regarding

the '92 natural elements' which refers to all the elements between No.

1 (hydrogen) and No. 92 (Uranium). But technically knowledgeable

folks that these two are not naturally occurring. Apparently when the

original list of Cellfood ingredients was made several decades ago,

technetium and promethium were assumed to be present by a Cellfood

documentation officer who did not realize that they were not naturally

occurring.

Therefore, we are now updating our ingredients list to reflect this

correction.

__________________________________________________________

Here are a few links that relate to this common mistake:

http://healthmoz.org/the-health-benefits-of-sea-water (see paragraph

beginning with 'People do see sick fish....)

http://answers./question/index?qid=20080812131625AA5MNwh

(see Answer 3)

http://www.rawreform.com/content/view/271 (see 'Why 92 days?)

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari & rls=en & q=Natural+92+elements

& ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8

(see the second link: Temperatures of the 92 Natural Elements)

__________________________________________________________

As for Mr. Cutler's second observation, however, Cellfood does not

contain lead, which is removed by the same technology used by the U.S.

military.

If he is saying that lead is a byproduct of actinium, polonium or

thorium ï¿½ " and therefore must be present if there 3 elements are

present ï¿½ " then he may be right, but please realize that all green

plants will contain all of these naturally occurring elements in

'parts per billion' amounts that are perfectly safe.

Additional safety information:

1. Cellfood's LD50 industry-standard test shows that an adult can

consume 40 full bottles of Cellfood with no harmful toxic result.

2. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

countries, no adverse reaction report has ever been filed worldwide.

3. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

countries, no claim has ever been made against our manufacturers

liability policy.

I'll speak with you soon!

Best regards,

Mark

Mark Rubin

President and Co-Founder

Lumina Health Products

Sarasota, Florida

800-749-9196

" The Cellfood Company "

http://www.luminahealth.com

September 6, 2008

This correspondence makes it clear that the label was not based on any analysis,

but was

simply made up by including all the elements of the periodic table except that

those

considered toxic (to whomever was making up the list, who clearly didn't know

enough

chemistry to be aware that some of the remaining ones were toxic) which were

left off

even though there was no analysis to support their absence.

I agree with Terri that responsible people will read and UNDERSTAND the label

before

using the stuff, or especially before endorsing and selling it.

I also agree with Mark Schauss - if in doubt, a responsible reseller will

request a certificate

of analysis stating what was found in the product, what was found to be absent,

and how

this determination was made. If they can't come up with that it is not

responsible to offer

it for sale.

The nature of this communication does make it strikingly clear Terri does not

have

adequate technical background to do so. I'm sure she will not agree with my

opinion and

will continue to sell useless stuff. At least Brainchild took the ALA out of

their product a

few years ago so they aren't selling stuff that hurts kids at the moment.

I think it is great that people like those at Brainchild are trying to offer

products that help

autistic children, I just wish they'd be more responsible about it.

Andy

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: tmykland

>

> ====>Ummmm....why would this not make me feel better about using this

product...... if the company can't be responsible for the LABEL how could they

be trusted

with the actual contents? Regardless, I would not eat/use anything that came

from the

sea.

>

> My email inquiries of the Dulse product we discussed a few days has gone

unanswered.

Ask for independent assays of anything questionable. Mark Schauss told me if

they can't

or won't provide it there is usually a good reason.

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I'm including below a letter I received from Mark , the CEO of

> Lumina Health, on Wednesday, regarding the questions about the

> contents of Cell Food. Mark has been very responsive to my request

> for clarification on this question.

>

> I waited a couple days to send this, because I have been trying (and

> will continue to try) to get a firsthand look at testing results that

> back up what they say here. Mark has told me who I need to talk to

> about getting these results. I will let you know if I am able to do this.

>

> What Mark told me is that Cell Food is derived from sea water and

> sea vegetation, and therefore contains all elements that occur in

> nature. Lumina has discovered that these 2 elements we asked about

> (which do not occur in nature) were included in their list by mistake

> over twenty years ago, and is therefore changing the official Cell

> Food ingredient list to reflect that it does not contain these

> elements. Additionally, there has never been an issue with lead in

> Cell Food, as Mark describes in his letter.

>

> I want to state very clearly that we at BrainChild continue to believe

> that Cell Food is a safe and useful tool for oxygenating the gut,

> shifting pH and detox support. I strongly believe that each of us has

> a responsibility to read and understand the supplements that we give

> our children sufficiently to make informed decisions.

>

> The letter below is exactly what Mark sent me, except that I have

> omitted his personal contact info from the end.

>

> Terri Mykland

> CEO

> BrainChild Nutritionals

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> Dear Terri:

>

> It was a pleasure meeting you over the phone earlier today.

>

> I just completed my conference with Mr. Negrete, president

> of NuScience Coporation (www.nuscience.com), manufacturers of

> Cellfood.

>

> What we have determined is that the first of Mr. Andy Cutler's

> observations ï¿½ " - that technetium (not technecium, as his email read)

> and promethium are not naturally occurring elements ï¿½ " is correct, and

> we have therefore discovered that they have been mistakenly listed as

> Cellfood ingredients for many years. And we believe we've discovered

> why this error was originally made many years ago:

>

> There is a common reference on the internet ï¿½ " even today ï¿½ " regarding

> the '92 natural elements' which refers to all the elements between No.

> 1 (hydrogen) and No. 92 (Uranium). But technically knowledgeable

> folks that these two are not naturally occurring. Apparently when the

> original list of Cellfood ingredients was made several decades ago,

> technetium and promethium were assumed to be present by a Cellfood

> documentation officer who did not realize that they were not naturally

> occurring.

>

> Therefore, we are now updating our ingredients list to reflect this

> correction.

>

> __________________________________________________________

>

> Here are a few links that relate to this common mistake:

>

> http://healthmoz.org/the-health-benefits-of-sea-water (see paragraph

> beginning with 'People do see sick fish....)

>

> http://answers./question/index?qid=20080812131625AA5MNwh

> (see Answer 3)

>

> http://www.rawreform.com/content/view/271 (see 'Why 92 days?)

>

> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari & rls=en & q=Natural+92+elements

> & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8

> (see the second link: Temperatures of the 92 Natural Elements)

>

> __________________________________________________________

>

> As for Mr. Cutler's second observation, however, Cellfood does not

> contain lead, which is removed by the same technology used by the U.S.

> military.

>

> If he is saying that lead is a byproduct of actinium, polonium or

> thorium ï¿½ " and therefore must be present if there 3 elements are

> present ï¿½ " then he may be right, but please realize that all green

> plants will contain all of these naturally occurring elements in

> 'parts per billion' amounts that are perfectly safe.

>

> Additional safety information:

>

> 1. Cellfood's LD50 industry-standard test shows that an adult can

> consume 40 full bottles of Cellfood with no harmful toxic result.

>

> 2. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

> countries, no adverse reaction report has ever been filed worldwide.

>

> 3. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

> countries, no claim has ever been made against our manufacturers

> liability policy.

>

> I'll speak with you soon!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Mark

>

> Mark Rubin

> President and Co-Founder

> Lumina Health Products

> Sarasota, Florida

> 800-749-9196

> " The Cellfood Company "

> http://www.luminahealth.com

>

September 6, 2008

Are the brainchild spectrum support products bad then?

@...: AndyCutler@...: Sat, 6 Sep 2008

09:53:56 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: Cell Food - Update from BrainChild

This correspondence makes it clear that the label was not based on any analysis,

but was simply made up by including all the elements of the periodic table

except that those considered toxic (to whomever was making up the list, who

clearly didn't know enough chemistry to be aware that some of the remaining ones

were toxic) which were left off even though there was no analysis to support

their absence.I agree with Terri that responsible people will read and

UNDERSTAND the label before using the stuff, or especially before endorsing and

selling it.I also agree with Mark Schauss - if in doubt, a responsible reseller

will request a certificate of analysis stating what was found in the product,

what was found to be absent, and how this determination was made. If they can't

come up with that it is not responsible to offer it for sale.The nature of this

communication does make it strikingly clear Terri does not have adequate

technical background to do so. I'm sure she will not agree with my opinion and

will continue to sell useless stuff. At least Brainchild took the ALA out of

their product a few years ago so they aren't selling stuff that hurts kids at

the moment.I think it is great that people like those at Brainchild are trying

to offer products that help autistic children, I just wish they'd be more

responsible about it.Andy>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tmykland > >

====>Ummmm....why would this not make me feel better about using this

product...... if the company can't be responsible for the LABEL how could they

be trusted with the actual contents? Regardless, I would not eat/use anything

that came from the sea. > > My email inquiries of the Dulse product we discussed

a few days has gone unanswered. Ask for independent assays of anything

questionable. Mark Schauss told me if they can't or won't provide it there is

usually a good reason.> > > > > Hello Everyone,> > I'm including below a

letter I received from Mark , the CEO of> Lumina Health, on Wednesday,

regarding the questions about the> contents of Cell Food. Mark has been very

responsive to my request> for clarification on this question.> > I waited a

couple days to send this, because I have been trying (and> will continue to try)

to get a firsthand look at testing results that> back up what they say here.

Mark has told me who I need to talk to> about getting these results. I will let

you know if I am able to do this.> > What Mark told me is that Cell Food is

derived from sea water and> sea vegetation, and therefore contains all elements

that occur in> nature. Lumina has discovered that these 2 elements we asked

about> (which do not occur in nature) were included in their list by mistake>

over twenty years ago, and is therefore changing the official Cell> Food

ingredient list to reflect that it does not contain these> elements.

Additionally, there has never been an issue with lead in> Cell Food, as Mark

describes in his letter.> > I want to state very clearly that we at BrainChild

continue to believe> that Cell Food is a safe and useful tool for oxygenating

the gut,> shifting pH and detox support. I strongly believe that each of us has>

a responsibility to read and understand the supplements that we give> our

children sufficiently to make informed decisions. > > The letter below is

exactly what Mark sent me, except that I have> omitted his personal contact info

from the end.> > Terri Mykland> CEO> BrainChild Nutritionals>

--------------------------------------------------> > Dear Terri:> > It was a

pleasure meeting you over the phone earlier today.> > I just completed my

conference with Mr. Negrete, president> of NuScience Coporation

(www.nuscience.com), manufacturers of> Cellfood.> > What we have determined is

that the first of Mr. Andy Cutler's> observations ï¿½ " - that technetium (not

technecium, as his email read)> and promethium are not naturally occurring

elements ï¿½ " is correct, and> we have therefore discovered that they have been

mistakenly listed as> Cellfood ingredients for many years. And we believe we've

discovered> why this error was originally made many years ago:> > There is a

common reference on the internet ï¿½ " even today ï¿½ " regarding> the '92 natural

elements' which refers to all the elements between No.> 1 (hydrogen) and No. 92

(Uranium). But technically knowledgeable> folks that these two are not naturally

occurring. Apparently when the> original list of Cellfood ingredients was made

several decades ago,> technetium and promethium were assumed to be present by a

Cellfood> documentation officer who did not realize that they were not

naturally> occurring.> > Therefore, we are now updating our ingredients list to

reflect this> correction.> >

__________________________________________________________> > Here are a few

links that relate to this common mistake:> >

http://healthmoz.org/the-health-benefits-of-sea-water (see paragraph> beginning

with 'People do see sick fish....)> >

http://answers./question/index?qid=20080812131625AA5MNwh> (see Answer

3)> > http://www.rawreform.com/content/view/271 (see 'Why 92 days?)> >

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari & rls=en & q=Natural+92+elements>

& ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8> (see the second link: Temperatures of the 92 Natural

Elements)> > __________________________________________________________> > As

for Mr. Cutler's second observation, however, Cellfood does not> contain lead,

which is removed by the same technology used by the U.S.> military.> > If he is

saying that lead is a byproduct of actinium, polonium or> thorium ï¿½ " and

therefore must be present if there 3 elements are> present ï¿½ " then he may be

right, but please realize that all green> plants will contain all of these

naturally occurring elements in> 'parts per billion' amounts that are perfectly

safe.> > Additional safety information:> > 1. Cellfood's LD50 industry-standard

test shows that an adult can> consume 40 full bottles of Cellfood with no

harmful toxic result.> > 2. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now)

over 70> countries, no adverse reaction report has ever been filed worldwide.> >

3. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70> countries, no

claim has ever been made against our manufacturers> liability policy.> > I'll

speak with you soon!> > Best regards,> > Mark> > Mark Rubin> President and

Co-Founder> Lumina Health Products> Sarasota, Florida> 800-749-9196> " The

Cellfood Company " > http://www.luminahealth.com> > > > > > [Non-text portions of

this message have been removed]>

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>

> Hello Everyone,

>

I strongly believe that each of us has

> a responsibility to read and understand the supplements that we

give our children sufficiently to make informed decisions.

===>This is the most confusing statement, are you saying it's the

parents' responsibility to catch you selling things that are either

ineffective, mislabeled or harmful?

Wouldn't that be like me expecting people to study all the available

psychotherapies, before they come see me so they can figure out if I

know what I am doing? This hardly seems professional and it seems

to me the onus of the responsibility lies with the company making

money off the product.

I would expect some bureaucrat from a huge supplement company to say

something like this, not a company whose own children are sick and

know full well the magnitude of what parents' of ASD children are

facing.

>

> The letter below is exactly what Mark sent me, except that I have

> omitted his personal contact info from the end.

>

> Terri Mykland

> CEO

> BrainChild Nutritionals

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> Dear Terri:

>

> It was a pleasure meeting you over the phone earlier today.

>

> I just completed my conference with Mr. Negrete, president

> of NuScience Coporation (www.nuscience.com), manufacturers of

> Cellfood.

>

> What we have determined is that the first of Mr. Andy Cutler's

> observations ï¿½ " - that technetium (not technecium, as his email

read)

> and promethium are not naturally occurring elements ï¿½ " is

correct, and

> we have therefore discovered that they have been mistakenly listed

as

> Cellfood ingredients for many years. And we believe we've

discovered

> why this error was originally made many years ago:

>

> There is a common reference on the internet ï¿½ " even today ï¿½ "

regarding

> the '92 natural elements' which refers to all the elements between

No.

> 1 (hydrogen) and No. 92 (Uranium). But technically knowledgeable

> folks that these two are not naturally occurring. Apparently when

the

> original list of Cellfood ingredients was made several decades ago,

> technetium and promethium were assumed to be present by a Cellfood

> documentation officer who did not realize that they were not

naturally

> occurring.

>

> Therefore, we are now updating our ingredients list to reflect this

> correction.

>

> ______________________________________________________________

>

> Here are a few links that relate to this common mistake:

>

> http://healthmoz.org/the-health-benefits-of-sea-water (see

paragraph

> beginning with 'People do see sick fish....)

>

> http://answers./question/index?qid=20080812131625AA5MNwh

> (see Answer 3)

>

> http://www.rawreform.com/content/view/271 (see 'Why 92 days?)

>

> http://www.google.com/search?

client=safari & rls=en & q=Natural+92+elements

> & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8

> (see the second link: Temperatures of the 92 Natural Elements)

>

> ______________________________________________________________

>

> As for Mr. Cutler's second observation, however, Cellfood does not

> contain lead, which is removed by the same technology used by the

U.S.

> military.

>

> If he is saying that lead is a byproduct of actinium, polonium or

> thorium ï¿½ " and therefore must be present if there 3 elements are

> present ï¿½ " then he may be right, but please realize that all

green

> plants will contain all of these naturally occurring elements in

> 'parts per billion' amounts that are perfectly safe.

>

> Additional safety information:

>

> 1. Cellfood's LD50 industry-standard test shows that an adult can

> consume 40 full bottles of Cellfood with no harmful toxic result.

>

> 2. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

> countries, no adverse reaction report has ever been filed

worldwide.

>

> 3. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

> countries, no claim has ever been made against our manufacturers

> liability policy.

>

> I'll speak with you soon!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Mark

>

> Mark Rubin

> President and Co-Founder

> Lumina Health Products

> Sarasota, Florida

> 800-749-9196

> " The Cellfood Company "

> http://www.luminahealth.com

>

September 6, 2008

> I waited a couple days to send this, because I have been trying (and

> will continue to try) to get a firsthand look at testing results that

> back up what they say here.

Send it to the lab you use for your own products, so you can have test

results presumably from a lab you trust, and you don't have to " try "

to get the results.

> What Mark told me is that Cell Food is derived from sea water and

> sea vegetation, and therefore contains all elements that occur in

> nature.

Does this include the mercury that I am always reading is so prevalent

in ocean plants and animals?

>>Lumina has discovered that these 2 elements we asked about

> (which do not occur in nature) were included in their list by mistake

> over twenty years ago, and is therefore changing the official Cell

> Food ingredient list to reflect that it does not contain these

> elements.

Presumably he will be testing it first, to be sure it really does NOT

contain those elements?

And, he sells a product that he does not even bother to verify the

ingredient list? This makes me think he does not really know what is

in it, nor does he care.

> I want to state very clearly that we at BrainChild continue to believe

> that Cell Food is a safe and useful tool for oxygenating the gut,

> shifting pH and detox support.

What info do you have, that leads you to believe this? I think that

would be good for parents to know.

> I just completed my conference with Mr. Negrete, president

> of NuScience Coporation (www.nuscience.com), manufacturers of

> Cellfood.

So Cell Food is manufactured by NuScience, who sells it to Lumina, who

sells it to BrainChild, who sells it to the ultimate user?

> we have therefore discovered that they have been mistakenly listed as

> Cellfood ingredients for many years. And we believe we've discovered

> why this error was originally made many years ago:

Time to re-test the product, to see what is actually in there today.

The ocean is becoming more and more polluted.

>>Apparently when the

> original list of Cellfood ingredients was made several decades ago,

> technetium and promethium were assumed to be present by a Cellfood

> documentation officer who did not realize that they were not naturally

> occurring.

So the list of ingredients was " compiled by assumption " of everything

that is naturally occurring, not necessarily what was actually in the

product?

> Therefore, we are now updating our ingredients list to reflect this

> correction.

A new test to determine actual ingredients would dispel claims of

false advertising.

> Here are a few links that relate to this common mistake:

False advertising, and compiling an ingredient list of things " that we

think should be there " is a common mistake?

> As for Mr. Cutler's second observation, however, Cellfood does not

> contain lead, which is removed by the same technology used by the U.S.

> military.

Is this just a guess also? Or was it actually tested?

> If he is saying that lead is a byproduct of actinium, polonium or

> thorium ï¿½ " and therefore must be present if there 3 elements are

> present ï¿½ " then he may be right, but please realize that all green

> plants will contain all of these naturally occurring elements in

> 'parts per billion' amounts that are perfectly safe.

Anyone who says something is " perfectly safe " , does not know much

about autism.

> 1. Cellfood's LD50 industry-standard test shows that an adult can

> consume 40 full bottles of Cellfood with no harmful toxic result.

Please make this test publicly available, so that people who know how

to read it, can comment.

> 2. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

> countries, no adverse reaction report has ever been filed worldwide.

I am suspicious of this statement, for many reasons.

Dana

September 6, 2008

There is a lot of mercury in sea plant, and animals? My dd loves

seaweed, is this a problem?

On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:13 AM, danasview wrote:

>

> > I waited a couple days to send this, because I have been trying (and

> > will continue to try) to get a firsthand look at testing results

> that

> > back up what they say here.

>

> Send it to the lab you use for your own products, so you can have test

> results presumably from a lab you trust, and you don't have to " try "

> to get the results.

>

> > What Mark told me is that Cell Food is derived from sea water and

> > sea vegetation, and therefore contains all elements that occur in

> > nature.

>

> Does this include the mercury that I am always reading is so prevalent

> in ocean plants and animals?

>

> >>Lumina has discovered that these 2 elements we asked about

> > (which do not occur in nature) were included in their list by

> mistake

> > over twenty years ago, and is therefore changing the official Cell

> > Food ingredient list to reflect that it does not contain these

> > elements.

>

> Presumably he will be testing it first, to be sure it really does NOT

> contain those elements?

>

> And, he sells a product that he does not even bother to verify the

> ingredient list? This makes me think he does not really know what is

> in it, nor does he care.

>

> > I want to state very clearly that we at BrainChild continue to

> believe

> > that Cell Food is a safe and useful tool for oxygenating the gut,

> > shifting pH and detox support.

>

> What info do you have, that leads you to believe this? I think that

> would be good for parents to know.

>

> > I just completed my conference with Mr. Negrete, president

> > of NuScience Coporation (www.nuscience.com), manufacturers of

> > Cellfood.

>

> So Cell Food is manufactured by NuScience, who sells it to Lumina, who

> sells it to BrainChild, who sells it to the ultimate user?

>

> > we have therefore discovered that they have been mistakenly

> listed as

> > Cellfood ingredients for many years. And we believe we've discovered

> > why this error was originally made many years ago:

>

> Time to re-test the product, to see what is actually in there today.

> The ocean is becoming more and more polluted.

>

> >>Apparently when the

> > original list of Cellfood ingredients was made several decades ago,

> > technetium and promethium were assumed to be present by a Cellfood

> > documentation officer who did not realize that they were not

> naturally

> > occurring.

>

> So the list of ingredients was " compiled by assumption " of everything

> that is naturally occurring, not necessarily what was actually in the

> product?

>

> > Therefore, we are now updating our ingredients list to reflect this

> > correction.

>

> A new test to determine actual ingredients would dispel claims of

> false advertising.

>

> > Here are a few links that relate to this common mistake:

>

> False advertising, and compiling an ingredient list of things " that we

> think should be there " is a common mistake?

>

> > As for Mr. Cutler's second observation, however, Cellfood does not

> > contain lead, which is removed by the same technology used by the

> U.S.

> > military.

>

> Is this just a guess also? Or was it actually tested?

>

> > If he is saying that lead is a byproduct of actinium, polonium or

> > thorium ï¿½ " and therefore must be present if there 3 elements are

> > present ï¿½ " then he may be right, but please realize that all green

> > plants will contain all of these naturally occurring elements in

> > 'parts per billion' amounts that are perfectly safe.

>

> Anyone who says something is " perfectly safe " , does not know much

> about autism.

>

> > 1. Cellfood's LD50 industry-standard test shows that an adult can

> > consume 40 full bottles of Cellfood with no harmful toxic result.

>

> Please make this test publicly available, so that people who know how

> to read it, can comment.

>

> > 2. In the 39 years of Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70

> > countries, no adverse reaction report has ever been filed worldwide.

>

> I am suspicious of this statement, for many reasons.

>

> Dana

>

September 6, 2008

NO! Why would you draw that conclusion on what you've read on this board?

I think cell food is the product in question. They happen to sell that

product and many use.

Tammy

[ ] Re: Cell Food - Update from

BrainChild

This correspondence makes it clear that the label was not based on any

analysis, but was simply made up by including all the elements of the

periodic table except that those considered toxic (to whomever was making up

the list, who clearly didn't know enough chemistry to be aware that some of

the remaining ones were toxic) which were left off even though there was no

analysis to support their absence.I agree with Terri that responsible people

will read and UNDERSTAND the label before using the stuff, or especially

before endorsing and selling it.I also agree with Mark Schauss - if in

doubt, a responsible reseller will request a certificate of analysis stating

what was found in the product, what was found to be absent, and how this

determination was made. If they can't come up with that it is not

responsible to offer it for sale.The nature of this communication does make

it strikingly clear Terri does not have adequate technical background to do

so. I'm sure she will not agree with my opinion and will continue to sell

useless stuff. At least Brainchild took the ALA out of their product a few

years ago so they aren't selling stuff that hurts kids at the moment.I think

it is great that people like those at Brainchild are trying to offer

products that help autistic children, I just wish they'd be more responsible

about it.Andy>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tmykland > >

====>Ummmm....why would this not make me feel better about using this

product...... if the company can't be responsible for the LABEL how could

they be trusted with the actual contents? Regardless, I would not eat/use

anything that came from the sea. > > My email inquiries of the Dulse product

we discussed a few days has gone unanswered. Ask for independent assays of

anything questionable. Mark Schauss told me if they can't or won't provide

it there is usually a good reason.> > > > > Hello Everyone,> > I'm

including below a letter I received from Mark , the CEO of> Lumina

Health, on Wednesday, regarding the questions about the> contents of Cell

Food. Mark has been very responsive to my request> for clarification on this

question.> > I waited a couple days to send this, because I have been trying

(and> will continue to try) to get a firsthand look at testing results that>

back up what they say here. Mark has told me who I need to talk to> about

getting these results. I will let you know if I am able to do this.> > What

Mark told me is that Cell Food is derived from sea water and> sea

vegetation, and therefore contains all elements that occur in> nature.

Lumina has discovered that these 2 elements we asked about> (which do not

occur in nature) were included in their list by mistake> over twenty years

ago, and is therefore changing the official Cell> Food ingredient list to

reflect that it does not contain these> elements. Additionally, there has

never been an issue with lead in> Cell Food, as Mark describes in his

letter.> > I want to state very clearly that we at BrainChild continue to

believe> that Cell Food is a safe and useful tool for oxygenating the gut,>

shifting pH and detox support. I strongly believe that each of us has> a

responsibility to read and understand the supplements that we give> our

children sufficiently to make informed decisions. > > The letter below is

exactly what Mark sent me, except that I have> omitted his personal contact

info from the end.> > Terri Mykland> CEO> BrainChild Nutritionals>

--------------------------------------------------> > Dear Terri:> > It was

a pleasure meeting you over the phone earlier today.> > I just completed my

conference with Mr. Negrete, president> of NuScience Coporation

(www.nuscience.com), manufacturers of> Cellfood.> > What we have determined

is that the first of Mr. Andy Cutler's> observations ï¿½ " - that technetium

(not technecium, as his email read)> and promethium are not naturally

occurring elements ï¿½ " is correct, and> we have therefore discovered that

they have been mistakenly listed as> Cellfood ingredients for many years.

And we believe we've discovered> why this error was originally made many

years ago:> > There is a common reference on the internet ï¿½ " even today

ï¿½ " regarding> the '92 natural elements' which refers to all the elements

between No.> 1 (hydrogen) and No. 92 (Uranium). But technically

knowledgeable> folks that these two are not naturally occurring. Apparently

when the> original list of Cellfood ingredients was made several decades

ago,> technetium and promethium were assumed to be present by a Cellfood>

documentation officer who did not realize that they were not naturally>

occurring.> > Therefore, we are now updating our ingredients list to reflect

this> correction.> >

__________________________________________________________> > Here are a few

links that relate to this common mistake:> >

http://healthmoz.org/the-health-benefits-of-sea-water (see paragraph>

beginning with 'People do see sick fish....)> >

http://answers./question/index?qid=20080812131625AA5MNwh> (see

Answer 3)> > http://www.rawreform.com/content/view/271 (see 'Why 92 days?)>

> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari & rls=en & q=Natural+92+elements>

& ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8> (see the second link: Temperatures of the 92 Natural

Elements)> > __________________________________________________________> >

As for Mr. Cutler's second observation, however, Cellfood does not> contain

lead, which is removed by the same technology used by the U.S.> military.> >

If he is saying that lead is a byproduct of actinium, polonium or> thorium

ï¿½ " and therefore must be present if there 3 elements are> present ï¿½ "

then he may be right, but please realize that all green> plants will contain

all of these naturally occurring elements in> 'parts per billion' amounts

that are perfectly safe.> > Additional safety information:> > 1. Cellfood's

LD50 industry-standard test shows that an adult can> consume 40 full bottles

of Cellfood with no harmful toxic result.> > 2. In the 39 years of

Cellfood's distribution to (now) over 70> countries, no adverse reaction

report has ever been filed worldwide.> > 3. In the 39 years of Cellfood's

distribution to (now) over 70> countries, no claim has ever been made

against our manufacturers> liability policy.> > I'll speak with you soon!> >

Best regards,> > Mark> > Mark Rubin> President and Co-Founder> Lumina Health

Products> Sarasota, Florida> 800-749-9196> " The Cellfood Company " >

http://www.luminahealth.com> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

have been removed]>

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For the record, Brain Child has guided me, a determined mom that can't afford a

$500/hour DAN doctor, to recovering my child. Like many moms with newly

diagnosed children, with research I learned that there is a secret cure to

autism called biomedical intervention and then learned how much money it costs

to use a DAN doctor. My dreams of recovering my child were shattered as it was

impossible for me to find a way to pay for the expensive treatment. I couldn't

give up on my son. I discovered Lang's recovery program and saw some

light. For the price of a hour visit with my local DAN doctor, I purchased the

entire Brain Child Recovery protocol. My son has made tremendous gains using the

Brain Child protocol. In the last year, he has gone from have 2 words to 100

words, heavy stims throughout the day to a stim or two per week, no eye contact

to engaging and loving behavior. His teachers can't believe he is the same kid.

This week he is potty

trained!! These are miracles for us. For this reason, I feel the Brain Child

Company should be celebrated, especially Terri. She spends countless hours

helping families like mine figure out how to to help our children. She is mom of

an autistic son and she has has dedicated her life to figuring out the puzzle of

the disorder so close to all of our lives. Let's think about this dedication and

how many families like mine are being helped before to run to jump on a

bandwagon of misunderstanding and judgment.

September 7, 2008

>

> For the record, Brain Child has guided me, a determined mom that can't afford

a $500/

hour DAN doctor, to recovering my child. Like many moms with newly diagnosed

children,

with research I learned that there is a secret cure to autism called biomedical

intervention

and then learned how much money it costs to use a DAN doctor. My dreams of

recovering

my child were shattered as it was impossible for me to find a way to pay for the

expensive

treatment.

This is indeed a problem.

I think if more DAN! doctors knew what they were doing it would be less so

because a lot

of people would only need to see them once or twice to figure out what to do and

get their

kid better.

>I couldn't give up on my son. I discovered Lang's recovery program and

saw

some light. For the price of a hour visit with my local DAN doctor, I purchased

the entire

Brain Child Recovery protocol. My son has made tremendous gains using the Brain

Child

protocol. In the last year, he has gone from have 2 words to 100 words, heavy

stims

throughout the day to a stim or two per week, no eye contact to engaging and

loving

behavior. His teachers can't believe he is the same kid. This week he is potty

> trained!! These are miracles for us.

This is quite wonderful!

>For this reason, I feel the Brain Child Company should be celebrated,

especially Terri.

It would be easier to celebrate her if she were a bit more responsible.

>She spends countless hours helping families like mine figure out how to to help

our

children. She is mom of an autistic son and she has has dedicated her life to

figuring out

the puzzle of the disorder so close to all of our lives. Let's think about this

dedication and

how many families like mine are being helped before to run to jump on a

bandwagon of

misunderstanding and judgment.

I absolutely agree.

Terri isn't being any less responsible than your average DAN! doctor and she

doesn't

charge $500 an hour to do it, either.

It sure would be nice if she'd help raise the bar so the DAN! doctors had to

charge less and

give better advice though.

>

September 7, 2008

----- Original Message -----

From: NH2 salon

Why can't I find member information for this person, NH2 salon?

I also never understood the logic that said " Because someone was helpful to me

and/or my child...let's not look at any aspect of their behavior which is

negative and could potentially harm other children.. "

Whether Brainchild has helped someone is noteworthy and I'm glad to know it,

but has nothing to do with whether they've behaved irresponsibly in their

labeling or offering of this product.

For the record, Brain Child has guided me, a determined mom that can't afford

a $500/hour DAN doctor, to recovering my child. Like many moms with newly