Re: no metals came out on a low dose challenge

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Do you have Cutler's book Amalgam Illness? On p.204 it says to use ALA not

DMSA. I'm thinking it's because DMSA only chelates extracellular mercury,

and since she met the counting rules most of her mercury is intracellular

and/or brain. If her hair test showed little to no mercury, then this is

most likely what happened.

Here's a link to that page:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG9glNfif5YC & printsec=frontcover & dq=amalgam+ill\

ness#PPA204,M1

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:46 PM, cicero2012 <cicero2012@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> My daughter's hair test met the counting rules and her urinary

> porphyrins test also indicated mercury toxicity. Our DAN! of course

> wanted to do the high dose challenge prior to chelation. Instead, we

> did what Andy recommends (at least what I understood) and did low dose

> (1/8mg per pound) DMSA every 3 hours and began collecting urine on day

> 2 of a round. Problem is, no metals came out in the urine. Should I

> assume there are no metals, or the dose is just too low, or something

> else?

>

> Her porphyrins test was through the French lab. Should I do one

> through LabCorp or another lab? Anyone have experience with this?

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Susie

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the reply. I actually did do both DMSA and ALA at 1/8mg

per lb. She has had several rounds prior to this as well. Sorry I

didn't mention it before, I guess I didn't think it was relevant.

Maybe I should increase the dose and try it again.

Susie

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > My daughter's hair test met the counting rules and her urinary

> > porphyrins test also indicated mercury toxicity. Our DAN! of

course

> > wanted to do the high dose challenge prior to chelation.

Instead, we

> > did what Andy recommends (at least what I understood) and did low

dose

> > (1/8mg per pound) DMSA every 3 hours and began collecting urine

on day

> > 2 of a round. Problem is, no metals came out in the urine.

Should I

> > assume there are no metals, or the dose is just too low, or

something

> > else?

> >

> > Her porphyrins test was through the French lab. Should I do one

> > through LabCorp or another lab? Anyone have experience with this?

> >

> > Thanks so much,

> >

> > Susie

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 30/01/2009 15:54:32 GMT Standard Time,

cicero2012@... writes:

I didn't ask " permission " of my DAN!. My daughter has multiple

health issues and many tests are covered by insurance if they're

ordered by a doctor. Also, now that I have this result I don't really

want to continue on a small dose if it's not removing any metals

>>You still don't know if any metals came out, you could have caught the

wrong wee, unless you caught all of it for the whole round. We always saw

biggest dumps collecting for 8 hours post FIRST DOSE, which is not what you

usually

get told to test

FWIW

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

You don't need the DAN, the DAN's " permission " , or the DAN's approval to

chelate. Many of us do it without a doc.

S S

no metals came out on a low dose " challenge "

Posted by: " cicero2012 " cicero2012@... cicero2012

Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:46 pm (PST)

Hi all,

My daughter's hair test met the counting rules and her urinary

porphyrins test also indicated mercury toxicity. Our DAN! of course

wanted to do the high dose challenge prior to chelation. Instead, we

did what Andy recommends (at least what I understood) and did low dose

(1/8mg per pound) DMSA every 3 hours and began collecting urine on day

2 of a round. Problem is, no metals came out in the urine. Should I

assume there are no metals, or the dose is just too low, or something

else?

Her porphyrins test was through the French lab. Should I do one

through LabCorp or another lab? Anyone have experience with this?

Thanks so much,

Susie

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[Guest guest]

The book says to stop taking the chelator(s) and take the measurement a few

days after that, and if this level is higher than the original, then mercury

is coming out of the brain. So you could try again this way. And yes, the

dosage might not be high enough to detect little mercury in a little body. I

wonder if a 24-hr urine sample would even be better... And I agree w/

that you don't need a challenge test.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:31 PM, cicero2012 <cicero2012@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Thanks for the reply. I actually did do both DMSA and ALA at 1/8mg

> per lb. She has had several rounds prior to this as well. Sorry I

> didn't mention it before, I guess I didn't think it was relevant.

> Maybe I should increase the dose and try it again.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

> >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > My daughter's hair test met the counting rules and her urinary

> > > porphyrins test also indicated mercury toxicity. Our DAN! of

> course

> > > wanted to do the high dose challenge prior to chelation.

> Instead, we

> > > did what Andy recommends (at least what I understood) and did low

> dose

> > > (1/8mg per pound) DMSA every 3 hours and began collecting urine

> on day

> > > 2 of a round. Problem is, no metals came out in the urine.

> Should I

> > > assume there are no metals, or the dose is just too low, or

> something

> > > else?

> > >

> > > Her porphyrins test was through the French lab. Should I do one

> > > through LabCorp or another lab? Anyone have experience with this?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much,

> > >

> > > Susie

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I didn't ask " permission " of my DAN!. My daughter has multiple

health issues and many tests are covered by insurance if they're

ordered by a doctor. Also, now that I have this result I don't really

want to continue on a small dose if it's not removing any metals. To

think of waking my daughter (and myself) every 3 hours for basically

nothing seems unreasonable. I understand that many people do this

without a doctor, and I commend them, but I'm not comfortable with

that.

Susie

>

> You don't need the DAN, the DAN's " permission " , or the DAN's

approval to chelate. Many of us do it without a doc.

> S S

>

> no metals came out on a low dose " challenge "

> Posted by: " cicero2012 " cicero2012@... cicero2012

> Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:46 pm (PST)

> Hi all,

>

> My daughter's hair test met the counting rules and her urinary

> porphyrins test also indicated mercury toxicity. Our DAN! of course

> wanted to do the high dose challenge prior to chelation. Instead,

we

> did what Andy recommends (at least what I understood) and did low

dose

> (1/8mg per pound) DMSA every 3 hours and began collecting urine on

day

> 2 of a round. Problem is, no metals came out in the urine. Should I

> assume there are no metals, or the dose is just too low, or

something

> else?

>

> Her porphyrins test was through the French lab. Should I do one

> through LabCorp or another lab? Anyone have experience with this?

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Susie

>

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[Guest guest]

The best way to determine if it is working is to trial it for a while

and observe changes in cognition.

When it comes to mercury, all forms of testing a highly subject to error

and misinterpretation.

Unless of course its tissue sample from autopsy. Good for people in

labs cutting animal brains open, but not good for us, except in respect

to what we learn from these studies.

Mum231ASD@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 30/01/2009 15:54:32 GMT Standard Time,

> cicero2012@... <mailto:cicero2012%40> writes:

>

> I didn't ask " permission " of my DAN!. My daughter has multiple

> health issues and many tests are covered by insurance if they're

> ordered by a doctor. Also, now that I have this result I don't really

> want to continue on a small dose if it's not removing any metals

>

> >>You still don't know if any metals came out, you could have caught the

> wrong wee, unless you caught all of it for the whole round. We always saw

> biggest dumps collecting for 8 hours post FIRST DOSE, which is not

> what you usually

> get told to test

>

> FWIW

>

> Mandi in UK

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

I didn't mean to offend you. One of the chelators pulls via urine, the other

via stool. I can never remember which, but someone else on the list will be

able to comment. It might be that you need to test stool during a round?

S S

Re: no metals came out on a low dose " challenge "

Posted by: " cicero2012 " cicero2012@... cicero2012

Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:53 am (PST)

,

I didn't ask " permission " of my DAN!. My daughter has multiple

health issues and many tests are covered by insurance if they're

ordered by a doctor. Also, now that I have this result I don't really

want to continue on a small dose if it's not removing any metals. To

think of waking my daughter (and myself) every 3 hours for basically

nothing seems unreasonable. I understand that many people do this

without a doctor, and I commend them, but I'm not comfortable with

that.

Susie

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[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for taking the time to reply- I appreciate it.

It's the ALA that is supposed to cause the mercury to excrete via the

GI tract. I found some of Andy's old posts on this topic on Onibasu

and I think I did everything correctly. Since we used the lowest

possible dose, I think I'll go up next time.

Susie

>

> Hi Susie,

> I didn't mean to offend you. One of the chelators pulls via urine,

the other via stool. I can never remember which, but someone else on

the list will be able to comment. It might be that you need to test

stool during a round?

> S S

>

> Re: no metals came out on a low dose " challenge "

> Posted by: " cicero2012 " cicero2012@... cicero2012

> Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:53 am (PST)

> ,

>

> I didn't ask " permission " of my DAN!. My daughter has multiple

> health issues and many tests are covered by insurance if they're

> ordered by a doctor. Also, now that I have this result I don't

really

> want to continue on a small dose if it's not removing any metals.

To

> think of waking my daughter (and myself) every 3 hours for

basically

> nothing seems unreasonable. I understand that many people do this

> without a doctor, and I commend them, but I'm not comfortable with

> that.

>

> Susie

>

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[Guest guest]

DMSA and DMPS is predominantly excretion through urine.

ALA is excretion through urine and stool and the ratio from one to the

other can vary dramatically from person to person and over time

depending upon metabolic issues.

Many of us do this without a doctor because we are not comfortable with:

A. Leaving mercury in the brain

B. Using chelation protocols that will cause further redistribution

damage, regression and an increase of heavy metal concentration in

organs, including the brain.

C. Doctors who recommend chelation, but have not read one study related

to chelation.

Shepard Salzer wrote:

>

> Hi Susie,

> I didn't mean to offend you. One of the chelators pulls via urine, the

> other via stool. I can never remember which, but someone else on the

> list will be able to comment. It might be that you need to test stool

> during a round?

> S S

>

> Re: no metals came out on a low dose " challenge "

> Posted by: " cicero2012 " cicero2012@...

> <mailto:cicero2012%40> cicero2012

> Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:53 am (PST)

> ,

>

> I didn't ask " permission " of my DAN!. My daughter has multiple

> health issues and many tests are covered by insurance if they're

> ordered by a doctor. Also, now that I have this result I don't really

> want to continue on a small dose if it's not removing any metals. To

> think of waking my daughter (and myself) every 3 hours for basically

> nothing seems unreasonable. I understand that many people do this

> without a doctor, and I commend them, but I'm not comfortable with

> that.

>

> Susie

>

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