Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/SiteSearchResult.aspx?strSiteSearch=alpha%20lipoic%20\ acid >OK, I've look twice. Can not find it on Kirkman Labs. Can someone help. > >Thanks > >Tammy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Try www.vrp.com S S DMSA Posted by: " Tammy Kuhn " tkuhn1@... bailykuhn Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:45 pm (PDT) OK, I've look twice. Can not find it on Kirkman Labs. Can someone help. Thanks Tammy ------------------------------------------------------------ Photo Search Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/JkJQPTgKO6IeFoYnK70BCevQJLFpe0gcsdHr4VjWN5gJtDMGoXi\ EPu/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 > > OK, I've look twice. Can not find it on Kirkman Labs. Can someone help. If you want to buy DMSA from Kirkman, you have to call and order. It is not indicated on the site. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 You need a prescription for this, though. On Oct 19, 2008, at 11:12 AM, danasview wrote: > > > > > OK, I've look twice. Can not find it on Kirkman Labs. Can someone > help. > > If you want to buy DMSA from Kirkman, you have to call and order. It > is not indicated on the site. > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 >You need a prescription for this, though. No. DMSA is available WITHOUT a prescription. http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8112 >On Oct 19, 2008, at 11:12 AM, danasview wrote: > >> >> > >> > OK, I've look twice. Can not find it on Kirkman Labs. Can someone >> help. >> >> If you want to buy DMSA from Kirkman, you have to call and order. It >> is not indicated on the site. >> >> Dana >> >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Get it from vrp.com instead - no script needed. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dan & Ruth Setlak Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: DMSA You need a prescription for this, though. On Oct 19, 2008, at 11:12 AM, danasview wrote: > > > > > OK, I've look twice. Can not find it on Kirkman Labs. Can someone > help. > > If you want to buy DMSA from Kirkman, you have to call and order. It > is not indicated on the site. > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Yes, she was talking about buying it through Kirkman's. And, with them, you do need a prescription. So, I was just making her aware of that. On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Ross wrote: > >You need a prescription for this, though. > > No. DMSA is available WITHOUT a prescription. > > http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8112 > > > > >On Oct 19, 2008, at 11:12 AM, danasview wrote: > > > >> > >> > > >> > OK, I've look twice. Can not find it on Kirkman Labs. Can someone > >> help. > >> > >> If you want to buy DMSA from Kirkman, you have to call and > order. It > >> is not indicated on the site. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hi, I amy son 9yr old 70 pounds. he did hair test no mercuriy r but Aluminum and Aresin.He did urine test no metal. My son Dan perscribe him DMSA 100 g 10 capusul to give him one one and to dcollect urine test. I am not comfortable to give to my son. Please if any has exprience with DMSA. Is it too much to take 10 capsul with 1hr . what is the side effect. I am very confused. Please share your experience. What is the reason to take DMSA if he dosen't has mercury?thank you ind advace I am the new to the group. I will apperciate your advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Is this for a challenge test? Don't do this, it's not safe. It's beyond not safe. Can you scan a copy of your son's hair test to this group for people to read for you? There are many people on this list who can interpret the test and tell you if your son is mercury toxic. > > Hi, > I amy son 9yr old 70 pounds. he did hair test no mercuriy r but > Aluminum and Aresin.He did urine test no metal. My son Dan perscribe > him DMSA 100 g 10 capusul to give him one one and to dcollect urine > test. I am not comfortable to give to my son. Please if any has > exprience with DMSA. Is it too much to take 10 capsul with 1hr . what > is the side effect. I am very confused. Please share your experience. > What is the reason to take DMSA if he dosen't has mercury?thank you ind > advace > > I am the new to the group. I will apperciate your advice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 This is a challenge test and no reccomnded by Andy Cutler. Apply the counting rules to the hair test. Tell your DAN! doctor you would like to do the Andy Cutler protocol. This test can re-distribute metals in your son's body. TJ ________________________________ From: makedayimam <makedayimam@...> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:42:30 PM Subject: [ ] DMSA Hi, I amy son 9yr old 70 pounds. he did hair test no mercuriy r but Aluminum and Aresin.He did urine test no metal. My son Dan perscribe him DMSA 100 g 10 capusul to give him one one and to dcollect urine test. I am not comfortable to give to my son. Please if any has exprience with DMSA. Is it too much to take 10 capsul with 1hr . what is the side effect. I am very confused. Please share your experience. What is the reason to take DMSA if he dosen't has mercury?thank you ind advace I am the new to the group. I will apperciate your advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Welcome to the list. Comments interspersed. S S DMSA Posted by: " makedayimam " makedayimam@... makedayimam Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:42 pm (PST) Hi, I amy son 9yr old 70 pounds. he did hair test no mercuriy *Was it a DDI hair elements test? Did yo apply the counting rules? Can you post the results here for us to help interpret them? Does your son have any mercury amalgam dental fillings? r but Aluminum and Aresin.He did urine test no metal. My son Dan perscribe him DMSA 100 g 10 capusul to give him one one and to dcollect urine test. I am not comfortable to give to my son. *Good that you're not comfortable, that's too high a dose for your son. If your son has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings you could divide the capsules into smaller doses and give it every 4 hours day and night for 3 days and nights. You can buy DMSA without a doctor and in smaller doses. Please if any has exprience with DMSA. Is it too much to take 10 capsul with 1hr . *Yes, much too high. what is the side effect. *It makes the mercury go into his brain. I am very confused. Please share your experience. What is the reason to take DMSA if he dosen't has mercury? *The doctor doesn't understand how to read the hair test, so doesn't know if he has mercury or not. thank you ind advace I am the new to the group. I will apperciate your advice. ------------------------------------------------------------ Online Loan Click for online loan, fast & amp; no lender fee, approval today http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZabZuyHZyj40u8D9VLGxAlN3D9fUKKngV0ZMDp8duEUvi\ Ams/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hi and Welcome to the group! How do you know that your son does not have mercury? Which hair test did you have done? Please post it to the group so we can take a look at it to help you read it. (Many dr's - DANs included - just don't have any idea how to read them correctly) Not having mercury on a hair sample does not mean that there is not mercury poisoning, so don't automatically draw that conclusion. If you need help posting the file, email it to me and I will help you. 1000mg of DMSA is way too much to give your child. My son who is 64 pounds gets 16mg DMSA every 3-4 hours from Friday-Monday. And we have made amazing progress at this dose. What your doctor is suggesting is called a challenge test and I would never allow it. This amount of dmsa can really be dangerous and most adults would not even be able to handle that dose. The appropriate dose for your son to start off with would be 8.75mg every 3 (or 4 at night) hours from Friday morning/afternoon until Monday and that includes overnight as well. DMSA will chelate lead - has there been any mention of lead being an issue? Hope this helps, Mom to - 4 years old - recovering from PDD-NOS Our recovery story: http://www.recoveringnicholas.com From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of makedayimam Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: [ ] DMSA Hi, I amy son 9yr old 70 pounds. he did hair test no mercuriy r but Aluminum and Aresin.He did urine test no metal. My son Dan perscribe him DMSA 100 g 10 capusul to give him one one and to dcollect urine test. I am not comfortable to give to my son. Please if any has exprience with DMSA. Is it too much to take 10 capsul with 1hr . what is the side effect. I am very confused. Please share your experience. What is the reason to take DMSA if he dosen't has mercury?thank you ind advace I am the new to the group. I will apperciate your advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 , In the appendix of Amalgam Illness, Andy writes about the potential for Lipoic Acid to carry mercury INTO the brain as well as out of the brain. DMSA, as oppose to LA, does *not cross the BBB. It follows that your statement that high dose DMSA will make mercury got into the brain is incorrect. The side effects of high-dose DMSA are a redistribution of much-higher- than-low-dose-amounts of non-excreted mercury. --penumbra > *It makes the mercury go into his brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 How can you tell if your child doesn't tolerate the DMSA. If they seem to get really mean on a round... it can be that it is pulling metals and its working. How do you know which is which? On Jun 23, 2009, at 1:01 PM, TJ Werth wrote: > > > No. According to Andy you can get a better flow of mercury out of > the brain and other organs using DMSA with ALA, up to 20-30%. > The question is whether your child tolerates DMSA. We use both with > our boys and are getting good results. > We went 8 rounds with DMSA only, then added ALA. > TJ > > ________________________________ > From: " diamond12345@... " <diamond12345@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:36:20 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: DMSA > > I did around 35 rounds of ALA and then added some DMSA in on the 36th > round. Is this wrong? > On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:33 AM, cuzzle65 wrote: > > > > > > > If you just started DMSA make sure you aren't also using ALA at the > > same time. DMSA does put the metals and other toxins into > > circulation which may explain why shes 'off track' Give it a few > > rounds. Also try giving her some organic butter, the arachidonic > > acid is necessary for higher brain functioning and is only > > available in butter. And definitely check the yeast. Are you using > > chemet? (not good, has sucrose a known neurotoxin) or vrp dmsa or > > dmsa synergy by designs for health or gsnutrients? The dmsa synergy > > product at dmsachelation. com has glycine and ascorbic acid. The > > glycine helps with the glutathione reproduction and ascrobic acid > > apparently amps up the effectiveness of the dmsa > > > > > > > > > > My child hasn't been the same after one round of DMSA. She was > > doing pretty good before that now I ca't seem to get her back on > > track. Anything like this ever happen to you? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 If your child has gut problems, you will have to start real low and give flaxseed oil and magnesium for the gut along with a very good yeast protocol (biotin, candex, candidaise, etc.) + probiotics after meals and before bed. If your child is having uncomfortable symptoms I would lower the dose even further until symptoms are barely noticeable or not noticeable. The more inflammation going on, the less efficient detox will be. You want to keep him comfortable and happy as possible cause it could take awhile. > > > > > > > > My child hasn't been the same after one round of DMSA. She was > > > doing pretty good before that now I ca't seem to get her back on > > > track. Anything like this ever happen to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Is it dangeous? If someone already started with the ALA, is it not a good idea to add in the DMSA? On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:08 PM, wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: diamond12345@... > > ===>I have heard of a few doing it this way, but it's not the norm. > > do some people do ALA for awhile and then add DMSA? > On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:13 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Badaboom > > > > ===>I'm sorry but this is not Andy's recommendation. You can > > start with either Dmsa or Ala as long as your child has not had > > recent exposure to mercury re: amalgams, vaxxes, etc. > > > > Most begin with Dmsa for 2-12 rounds and then add in Ala, some > > start with Dmsa/Ala together and some who are using just Ala, start > > with that. > > > > > > > > We used new beginnings. > > > > But, we used ala alone for the first four rounds to get mercury out > > of the brain prior to beginning with DMSA, which was Andy's general > > direction and what a lot of people on this list do. At round five > > or six, you add dmsa. Plus, we were on all of the supportive > > supplements and enzymes prior to beginning to chelate with ala. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I think a lot of people do exactly the opposite, doing 6-8 rounds of DMSA only and then adding ALA. This is to reduce the body burden. Andy says this is not neccessary unless you have had recent Amalgam removals, which is not the case with most children. Doing the DMSA along with the ALA increases the amount of Mercury chelated by approx. 20-30% and also helps with lead and some oth nasty stuff. TJ ________________________________ From: Badaboom <badaboom@...> @... Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:48:11 AM Subject: [ ] Re:DMSA We used new beginnings. But, we used ala alone for the first four rounds to get mercury out of the brain prior to beginning with DMSA, which was Andy's general direction and what a lot of people on this list do. At round five or six, you add dmsa. Plus, we were on all of the supportive supplements and enzymes prior to beginning to chelate with ala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 It would be no problem to add in DMSA if you are only chelating with ALA right now. As long as they tolerate the DMSA. I believe it is best to give the same dose. So, for example, if you are giving 12.5mg of ALA give the same amount of DMSA at every dose during the round. Andy has said this will increase the Mercury chelated approx 20-30% and it will also pull some lead and some other stuff as well. This is what we do for my two boys and it is working well. TJ ________________________________ From: " diamond12345@... " <diamond12345@...> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:00:06 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:DMSA Is it dangeous? If someone already started with the ALA, is it not a good idea to add in the DMSA? On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:08 PM, wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: diamond12345@ sbcglobal. net > > ===>I have heard of a few doing it this way, but it's not the norm. > > do some people do ALA for awhile and then add DMSA? > On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:13 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Badaboom > > > > ===>I'm sorry but this is not Andy's recommendation. You can > > start with either Dmsa or Ala as long as your child has not had > > recent exposure to mercury re: amalgams, vaxxes, etc. > > > > Most begin with Dmsa for 2-12 rounds and then add in Ala, some > > start with Dmsa/Ala together and some who are using just Ala, start > > with that. > > > > > > > > We used new beginnings. > > > > But, we used ala alone for the first four rounds to get mercury out > > of the brain prior to beginning with DMSA, which was Andy's general > > direction and what a lot of people on this list do. At round five > > or six, you add dmsa. Plus, we were on all of the supportive > > supplements and enzymes prior to beginning to chelate with ala. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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