Being legally forced to stop chelating.

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First - Do Not chelate with amalgams..big sigh..Cilantro does move

metals & should NOT be taken purpose of chelating, (especially) if you

have mercury poisoning and/or amalgams (big sigh - in my very strong,

rather heated, opinion)...coconut oil & sea salt - akin to vitamin E

in my mind...they do their own thing, which may or may not complicate

chelating, generally NOT a problem, are supportive, but could be

dependent on the individual & their own details....IMO, these are

rather benign things to try, would not move metals, and would be

supportive...For having " issues " with sea salt, I would look into

adrenal/thyroid, maybe iodine type, connections first, and for coconut

oil, I would look into microscopic pond scum type of of connections -

viral, bacterial, etc, and die-off, etc...try to match symptoms &

reactions from those directions...wishing you the best, elizabeth

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> > Do you still have amalgams? Is it unsafe to eat coconut oil with

> amalgams?  I have 11 amalgams and take a bite of coconut oil every

> day.  Or are you saying that the coconut oil is helping by eating it

> even though you have amalgams?  I am trying to figure out the safest

> way to detox myself with these amalgams in.

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> > Dana

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> Yes, I still have amalgams (plus a gold bridge and a crown and two

> root canals). I used to take coconut oil orally every day as a

> supplement. These days, I find that is too much for me and on the

> rare occasions when I do that, it causes problems and I have to manage

> the fall-out to make sure those problems go away. It is still safe

> for me to consume as part of food. I use it much less than I used to.

> I used it daily for 2 years or so. In my experience, things which

> mobilize mercury (like cilantro has been described as doing) but are

> not true chelators need things like hot baths and guaifenisen to

> support the process of making sure the metals come out. When cilantro

> began making me ill, hot baths and guifenisen relieved the symptoms it

> caused. I went through that for at least a couple of weeks before I

> concluded decisively that it was the cilantro making me ill and that I

> needed to just stop eating it. So I did that repeatedly -- consume

> cilantro, end up nauseated and with headaches, take a hot bath and

> guiafenisen to get rid of those symptoms.

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> If coconut oil and sea salt do what I think they do, people on this

> list should be interested because a number of people here use these

> things for gut issues while also chelating. If these things are

> moving metals and also taken with chelators, I have to wonder at the

> interaction of the two and if it explains some instances of unexpected

> bad reactions during chelation.

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> http://www.healthga zelle.org

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You can eat coconut oil with amalgams in. It does not chelate mercury.

There is no safe way to chelate with amalgam in. To help one feel

better with amalgams in, take lots of antoxidant supplements, use

probiotics, antifungals and liver support. Then work towards getting

them removed. All you can do is damage control while the are still in.

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> From: Michele <talithamichele@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Being legally forced to stop chelating.

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> Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 1:17 PM

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> due to the different properties, we would have to look at what the two

> agents have in common. My guess would be immune improvement, which

> happens with Dmsa/Ala and also coconut oil.===>

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> That really doesn't adequately explain my health gains. And my

> recollection is that a lot of people here report that treating

> infections helped but nothing got resolved until the metals began

> coming out. That's similar to my experience.

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> > ===>Coconut oil is not a chelator nor can it move metals, not

> possible given the laws of nature of what kind of chemicals it takes

> to move metals.===>

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> Again, if I put a spoonful of coconut oil in my mouth, it leaches

> metals from my dental work similar to what cilantro did. I have

> direct evidence that it interact with metals. I am at a disadvantage

> in terms of not knowing enough organic chemistry and not knowing

> enough physiology to explain things adequately. But I am very clear

> that metals continue to come out of me and this is a big part of why I

> am getting gradually better.

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> http://www.healthga zelle.org

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> http://www.solanora il.org

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> Again, if I put a spoonful of coconut oil in my mouth, it leaches

> metals from my dental work similar to what cilantro did. I have

> direct evidence that it interact with metals.

===In this case, if it were me, I would be more inclined to look at

the steps used in processing coconut oil & see what could be contributing.

I am at a disadvantage

> in terms of not knowing enough organic chemistry and not knowing

> enough physiology to explain things adequately. But I am very clear

> that metals continue to come out of me and this is a big part of why I

> am getting gradually better.

===I think my body burden has dramatically decreased, and I also do

keep track of when my mouth tastes metallic. These days, I can get

this from upping my antioxidants, not often or anything, but

regularly. I do consider that progress, but in no way, do I believe I

am chelating the metals, most particulary those entrenched behind a

BBB - this same line of thinking, also means I am that much more

careful not to mobilize any from my amalgam, and avoid all possible

exposures that I can, as based on my own history, my " toxic tipping

point " is very very low, and has been for much too long. (ie, the

breathing exercise that made an insane difference comes to mind).

wishing you the best, elizabeth

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> Peace.

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> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.org

> http://www.kidslikemine.org

> http://www.solanorail.org

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[Guest guest]

You can't.

You have to remove the fillings before you can safely successfully

chelate.

However, you can improve how you feel if you still have metal fillings

without chelating. I did that. Andy's book has info on that too.

Taking antioxidants, vitamins/minerals, efa's, protiotics etc...are

all ways to improve how you feel without removing your fillings.

However, it is not a means to an end. If you wish to recover fully,

they have to come out at some point.

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> > Michele,

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> > Do you still have amalgams? Is it unsafe to eat coconut oil with

> amalgams?  I have 11 amalgams and take a bite of coconut oil every

> day.  Or are you saying that the coconut oil is helping by eating it

> even though you have amalgams?  I am trying to figure out the safest

> way to detox myself with these amalgams in.

> >  

> > Dana

> >

>

> Yes, I still have amalgams (plus a gold bridge and a crown and two

> root canals). I used to take coconut oil orally every day as a

> supplement. These days, I find that is too much for me and on the

> rare occasions when I do that, it causes problems and I have to manage

> the fall-out to make sure those problems go away. It is still safe

> for me to consume as part of food. I use it much less than I used to.

> I used it daily for 2 years or so. In my experience, things which

> mobilize mercury (like cilantro has been described as doing) but are

> not true chelators need things like hot baths and guaifenisen to

> support the process of making sure the metals come out. When cilantro

> began making me ill, hot baths and guifenisen relieved the symptoms it

> caused. I went through that for at least a couple of weeks before I

> concluded decisively that it was the cilantro making me ill and that I

> needed to just stop eating it. So I did that repeatedly -- consume

> cilantro, end up nauseated and with headaches, take a hot bath and

> guiafenisen to get rid of those symptoms.

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> If coconut oil and sea salt do what I think they do, people on this

> list should be interested because a number of people here use these

> things for gut issues while also chelating. If these things are

> moving metals and also taken with chelators, I have to wonder at the

> interaction of the two and if it explains some instances of unexpected

> bad reactions during chelation.

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> http://www.healthga zelle.org

> http://www.kidslike mine.org

> http://www.solanora il.org

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From: Michele

Again, if I put a spoonful of coconut oil in my mouth, it leaches

metals from my dental work similar to what cilantro did. I have

direct evidence that it interact with metals.

===>I'm at a loss here. Sorry, this is not direct evidence. Direct evidence

would be to compare mercury excretion with coconut oil with mercury excretion

from a " known " chelator....like Dmsa/Dmps or Ala.

The above example would be your belief system, but it is not direct

evidence.===>

I am at a disadvantage

in terms of not knowing enough organic chemistry and not knowing

enough physiology to explain things adequately.

===>Okay, let me explain this. Chelator, in latin means " claw " , something

that can grab hold of metals and escort them out of your body. Chelators *must*

have TWO thiol groups, one for each part of the claw. The only substances known

on the face of the earth that have two thiol groups are; Dmsa, Dmps, Ala and

Cilantro (which of course is not recommended).

Then there are other foods that unlearned people (even some drs) think will

help chelate metals. These are " mono " thiol foods like;' eggs, milk, broccoli,

chlorella, and other high sulfur foods,etc. etc. Mono thiol foods have ONE

thiol. The mono thiol foods help mercury bounce around very fast in the body but

they do not help excrete the mercury.

Coconut oil is not even high in sulfur, it has no hope of removing anything,

despite the metallic feeling or whatever happens when you put it into your

mouth.====>

But I am very clear

that metals continue to come out of me and this is a big part of why I

am getting gradually better.

===>You are free to believe what you like. I think we're going to have to

agree to disagree about this. But how long have you been reading on this list?

Peace.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

http://www.solanorail.org

[Guest guest]

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From: RoseGvr@...

I quit chelating for 2 years when I was only 1/4th recovered because I was

way too toxic to do a pill regimen every 3 or 4 hours for 3 days at a time. I

couldn't get support for the 8 hour thing on here so I just gave up

discouraged. Finally, the demands of teaching kindergarten became overwhelming

and I knew I had to get more mercury out and couldn't completely give up on

chelation.

===>Are you aware that there is an adult metal chelation group on where

they do all kinds of protocols, safe and otherwise? I am certain you could find

all kinds of support there.===>

I do believe the 3/4 hour Cutler protocol is the 'safest' and I understand

why it is so supported.

===>This is what everyone says and I have to admit that this line of reasoning

is hard for me to follow. Whose body and brain wouldn't you want to be the

safest with?===>

They say that you are suppose to stop that round if you go past the 4 hours

but I don't and haven't had many symptoms from prolonging the doses to even 5

hours (though I stick mainly to 3-4 hours). I have very slow metabolism though

so perhaps redistribution is minimized due to my metabolism or because I take so

many antioxidants.

===>Do note.damage from other protocols is frequently not noticed right away.

Speaking for myself with all due sincerity (I have to add this as I am

frequently sarcastic)....as long as you are not our little one's kindergarten

teacher, it isn't anyone's business how frequently or far apart you take your

medication.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. I appreciate people with differing opinions and

believe there is room for all of us.

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Coconut oil could not possibly interact with metals, but in my own judgment it

could be helpful in battling fungal infection, and a lot of sinus irritation

caused by amalgams might be helped by coconut oil... 

From: Michele <talithamichele@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Being legally forced to stop chelating.

Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 10:17 AM

> ===>Since we know that Dmsa does chelate and coconut oil cannot,

due to the different properties, we would have to look at what the two

agents have in common. My guess would be immune improvement, which

happens with Dmsa/Ala and also coconut oil.===>

That really doesn't adequately explain my health gains. And my

recollection is that a lot of people here report that treating

infections helped but nothing got resolved until the metals began

coming out. That's similar to my experience.

>

> ===>Coconut oil is not a chelator nor can it move metals, not

possible given the laws of nature of what kind of chemicals it takes

to move metals.===>

>

Again, if I put a spoonful of coconut oil in my mouth, it leaches

metals from my dental work similar to what cilantro did. I have

direct evidence that it interact with metals. I am at a disadvantage

in terms of not knowing enough organic chemistry and not knowing

enough physiology to explain things adequately. But I am very clear

that metals continue to come out of me and this is a big part of why I

am getting gradually better.

Peace.

Michele

http://www.healthga zelle.org

http://www.kidslike mine.org

http://www.solanora il.org

[Guest guest]

> The things I am doing are not simply killing infection, though that is

> part of it. The things I am doing are fundamentally making me more

> healthy and resilient. My eye color is changing and discussions of

> iridology on this list indicate that this fact indicates toxins are

> coming out. My oldest son and I are both able to get sun tans,

> something we didn't really do before. That is consistent with the

> experiences of others on this list as well.

There was a mother in my local support group [she has since relocated

to a different state] whose child was recovered with IVIG. I had an

email discussion with her a while back. I asked if she had chelated

her son and she said no, she did not have to. Once they started IVIG,

her son's test results indicated metals " were pouring out of his

body " . Her doctor believes that the IVIG corrected whatever was wrong

with his body, such that it started removing the metals itself. So

just because something is not technically a " chelator " [actually

grabbing metals], does not necessarily mean metals won't come out.

Dana

[Guest guest]

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From: danasview

There was a mother in my local support group [she has since relocated

to a different state] whose child was recovered with IVIG. I had an

email discussion with her a while back. I asked if she had chelated

her son and she said no, she did not have to. Once they started IVIG,

her son's test results indicated metals " were pouring out of his

body " .

===>This could be a plausible explanation. I have known about 5 kids who were

fairly well recovered with either LDN and/or antivirals. Their parents still

fiddle with supplements, but they are age appropriate for the most part.

Two of the kids have been tested and found to still have sky high mercury

toxicity through porphyrin testing and we know that porphyrin tests only measure

what is in the kidney, or supposedly body burden. No telling what is still in

the cns/brain.

So it is possible to get behavioral improvements, just by fixing the immune

system. I know that is not what you are saying above, but we need to be careful

in jumping to conclusions.

Fits with what we saw here, also, that it is entirely possible to be

neurotypical and still have a high burden of metals.

Her doctor believes that the IVIG corrected whatever was wrong

with his body, such that it started removing the metals itself. So

just because something is not technically a " chelator " [actually

grabbing metals], does not necessarily mean metals won't come out.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Just to inteject, what concerns me about this thread is that someone looking for

a quick fix will try cilantro or guil. with their child. You know everytime

something is mentioned on here I try to research ........ Not everyone will do

that.

You know, I don't speak to my twin sister. She is a new RN and she knows

everything!!! So she texts me about 2 months ago and says she just met a woman

who recovered her child from autism by giving ketchup mixed ACV. I told my

sister if it was that easy, everyone would have done it by now; that Iman's

autism is more than just hand-flapping.

I think about the " ketchup woman " sometimes and people like my twin and just

shake my head.

AC protocol is not the only way but, you know, you have to responsibly present

information. I'm not trying to be offensive but I don't know how else to say

it.

This is not a simple what to do for a cold or boil; this is " what should I use

for chelation " and with chelation being a major part of getting our kids well, I

don't think we should be so off-handed with it, IMO.

Concerned, S.

[ ] Re: Being legally forced to stop chelating.

> The things I am doing are not simply killing infection, though that is

> part of it. The things I am doing are fundamentally making me more

> healthy and resilient. My eye color is changing and discussions of

> iridology on this list indicate that this fact indicates toxins are

> coming out. My oldest son and I are both able to get sun tans,

> something we didn't really do before. That is consistent with the

> experiences of others on this list as well.

There was a mother in my local support group [she has since relocated

to a different state] whose child was recovered with IVIG. I had an

email discussion with her a while back. I asked if she had chelated

her son and she said no, she did not have to. Once they started IVIG,

her son's test results indicated metals " were pouring out of his

body " . Her doctor believes that the IVIG corrected whatever was wrong

with his body, such that it started removing the metals itself. So

just because something is not technically a " chelator " [actually

grabbing metals], does not necessarily mean metals won't come out.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I met someone on a lymes list I belong to who recovered completely by doing

essentially everything that we did on Andy's protocol except they did not take

the chelators. Lymes is being linked to autism right now. To think that you

could recover without using dmsa/ala is not beyond the realm of possibility.

My son recovered on a diet of junk food, and we know how important everyone says

diet is. I have seen many people get around their particular obstacles and still

recover.

We also homeschool and will continue to homeschool to be able to seek treatment

for our children while preserving our freedom.

Things could be much worse, your child would be forcibly vaccinated with all of

the vaccinations possibly all at once if they were in the custody of social

services and foster care so it is very important to cooperate fully with them

for your child's benefit. We chelated our child at age 17, so it is possible to

wait until this all blows over.

I try not to let any one who has the power to misunderstand and judge me and

take power over my life know anything whatsoever.

Part of it is thinking how things that are said, come out and sound to the

person judging you who you are talking to. Judgmental people are always judging

and trying to find fault, so you language and communication to them especially

has to be blameless, or white washed so clean what comes out of your mouth can't

come back to haunt you.

We learned how to do this in the ministry while under the microscope of everyone

examining our lives. I had to train myself to think about what I said and how

it appeared to other people before I said it.

Outside of my group lists, I do not mention lymes disease and I do not

mention our health difficulties, and if I do I make it extremely vague.

We are an out of the box alternative lifestyle with our health that rarely

anyone in the mainstream would understand.

Even the alt med that I do with my daughters eye disease I have really come to

the point where I believe, they just don't have to know. These doctors are not

really interested in knowing that the conditions they are treating can be cured

with alternative medicine. Their whole industry is based on making money, not

healing people.

Think of this lady who reported you and her motivations, if all of the autistic

kids recover, she is out of a job.

Many other patients on our uveitis patients helping patients group will not

fully disclose to their doctor the alternative medicine things that they are

doing.

I agree with the person that said to fire the doctor and repent from following

his advise that is not substantiated by mainstream tests. Then the person who

reported you will feel like they have done their job by fixing you.

I am very concerned that someone in your child's school reported you to social

services though. I would do what ever it took to try and switch schools after

this all died down, because this person who reported you does not need to have

any personal information or any information about your child's life ever again.

You do not want to be under that kind of microscope on an ongoing basis, at

least I wouldn't.

Plenty of people are doing this protocol while sending their children to school

and they chelate from fri afterschool to monday am. The problem might be a

combination of you oversharing information to a nightmarish person. I would

stop oversharing and switch schools to get away from this person for the future,

otherwise they are going to be constantly in your business.

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[ ] Re: Being legally forced to stop chelating.

> The things I am doing are not simply killing infection, though that is

> part of it. The things I am doing are fundamentally making me more

> healthy and resilient. My eye color is changing and discussions of

> iridology on this list indicate that this fact indicates toxins are

> coming out. My oldest son and I are both able to get sun tans,

> something we didn't really do before. That is consistent with the

> experiences of others on this list as well.

There was a mother in my local support group [she has since relocated

to a different state] whose child was recovered with IVIG. I had an

email discussion with her a while back. I asked if she had chelated

her son and she said no, she did not have to. Once they started IVIG,

her son's test results indicated metals " were pouring out of his

body " . Her doctor believes that the IVIG corrected whatever was wrong

with his body, such that it started removing the metals itself. So

just because something is not technically a " chelator " [actually

grabbing metals], does not necessarily mean metals won't come out.

Dana

[Guest guest]

This is just a note to say that I am still sleeping more than usual

and do not have time to read all the posts that relate to the

discussion about me and what I am doing. When I can, I hope to get

back to this.

One quick note about butter to the mom (Eli?) who mentioned they went

from using coconut oil to craving butter: We consume a lot of organic

butter and recently made ghee (clarified butter) for the first time.

The ghee that we have been consuming these past 2 to 3 weeks is part

of why we are sleeping so much. Just thought I would toss that out

there in case you want to try it.

Also, Dana: thanks. That's exactly what I am saying -- that, no,

coconut oil (and the other things I spoke of) is not a " chelator " but

metals are coming out of my system.

Later...maybe much later. I am online much less than normal here lately.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

http://www.solanorail.org

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> From: S.

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> Just to inteject, what concerns me about this thread is that

someone looking for a quick fix will try cilantro or guil. with their

child. You know everytime something is mentioned on here I try to

research ........ Not everyone will do that.

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> You know, I don't speak to my twin sister. She is a new RN and she

knows everything!!! So she texts me about 2 months ago and says she

just met a woman who recovered her child from autism by giving ketchup

mixed ACV.

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> ===>Lol, why not? I did read a post, on here, I think where a

woman said her child recovered with just Kelp. And there are stories

of spontaneous recoveries where the parents do nothing. But they are

extremely rare. And regardless of the crazy cure, I would still be

looking for the " why " of the original condition and expecting metals

to be part of the why.===>

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> AC protocol is not the only way but, you know, you have to

responsibly present information. I'm not trying to be offensive but I

don't know how else to say it.

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> ===>It's so tempting to be tolerant, to just all get along and say

that whatever you chose to do is fine. But if you believe that taking

chelators without regard for their half-life is dangerous, then

conscience dictates you cannot.

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> And then there are those posts, like the one from the parent who

mixed Dmsa with Cilantro, and the other ones from parents' who use

other protocols that come here when the kids are in real

trouble....and it's not pretty, and it's preventable.

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===as I continue my pollyannish broken record moment...that " why this

place, ya'all, rocks " - parents are looking for their own best

answers, and when things go wrong, when what they choose to try does

not work...they do know they CAN come back here & do the best they can

from there....and when " they " do come back & say " omgosh, help, " there

is a commiseration that happens & a " wish that didn't happen, " but,

not the slam dunk " told ya so " thing. I do see this regularly & often

in my browsing ways...no matter how you look at it, it is all about

healing the kids, as best you can - for all parents...

and if you say to me, not " all " parents, (I do get that part) I would

just think " that would be the toxic kid, grown up, still trying to do

the best they can & the best they can do simply is not good enough for

whatever their own kids need. " big sigh...I do growl rather often....

wishing all the very best, elizabeth

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Excellent point .

This is a common issues that keeps happening again and again and again.

ASD is a serious condition, with so many biochemical processes

dysfunctional that there is no quick fix.

I see so many bad decisions made because someone dangles a " easy quick

fix " in front of desperate parents and they jump at it.

Cutler protocol is inconvenient. BIG DEAL.

ASD for the rest of your childs life is a LOT more pain in my opinion.

S. wrote:

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> Just to inteject, what concerns me about this thread is that someone

> looking for a quick fix will try cilantro or guil. with their child.

> You know everytime something is mentioned on here I try to research

> ........ Not everyone will do that.

>

> You know, I don't speak to my twin sister. She is a new RN and she

> knows everything!!! So she texts me about 2 months ago and says she

> just met a woman who recovered her child from autism by giving ketchup

> mixed ACV. I told my sister if it was that easy, everyone would have

> done it by now; that Iman's autism is more than just hand-flapping.

> I think about the " ketchup woman " sometimes and people like my twin

> and just shake my head.

> AC protocol is not the only way but, you know, you have to responsibly

> present information. I'm not trying to be offensive but I don't know

> how else to say it.

> This is not a simple what to do for a cold or boil; this is " what

> should I use for chelation " and with chelation being a major part of

> getting our kids well, I don't think we should be so off-handed with

> it, IMO.

> Concerned, S.

>

>

> [ ] Re: Being legally forced to stop chelating.

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> > The things I am doing are not simply killing infection, though that is

> > part of it. The things I am doing are fundamentally making me more

> > healthy and resilient. My eye color is changing and discussions of

> > iridology on this list indicate that this fact indicates toxins are

> > coming out. My oldest son and I are both able to get sun tans,

> > something we didn't really do before. That is consistent with the

> > experiences of others on this list as well.

>

> There was a mother in my local support group [she has since relocated

> to a different state] whose child was recovered with IVIG. I had an

> email discussion with her a while back. I asked if she had chelated

> her son and she said no, she did not have to. Once they started IVIG,

> her son's test results indicated metals " were pouring out of his

> body " . Her doctor believes that the IVIG corrected whatever was wrong

> with his body, such that it started removing the metals itself. So

> just because something is not technically a " chelator " [actually

> grabbing metals], does not necessarily mean metals won't come out.

>

> Dana

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Hi , I am a new member. Not sure if I need to send an intro, so I will just do

it here as to be more efficient. I am 46, and a 3 yr b c survivor. I am

interested in chelation. And any and all comments from cancer survivors on what

they are doing for their own health is welcomed. If that is off topic for this

grp pls email privately.

I came across this older post and I wondered why cilantro is not advised.

Also, could someone comment on what is advised and also, what is Dmsa, Dmps,

Ala?

Thanks so much!

have TWO thiol groups, one for each part of the claw. The only substances known

on the face of the earth that have two thiol groups are; Dmsa, Dmps, Ala and

Cilantro (which of course is not recommended).

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michele

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> Again, if I put a spoonful of coconut oil in my mouth, it leaches

> metals from my dental work similar to what cilantro did. I have

> direct evidence that it interact with metals.

>

> ===>I'm at a loss here. Sorry, this is not direct evidence. Direct evidence

would be to compare mercury excretion with coconut oil with mercury excretion

from a " known " chelator....like Dmsa/Dmps or Ala.

>

> The above example would be your belief system, but it is not direct

evidence.===>

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>

>

> I am at a disadvantage

> in terms of not knowing enough organic chemistry and not knowing

> enough physiology to explain things adequately.

>

> ===>Okay, let me explain this. Chelator, in latin means " claw " , something

that can grab hold of metals and escort them out of your body. Chelators *must*

have TWO thiol groups, one for each part of the claw. The only substances known

on the face of the earth that have two thiol groups are; Dmsa, Dmps, Ala and

Cilantro (which of course is not recommended).

>

> Then there are other foods that unlearned people (even some drs) think will

help chelate metals. These are " mono " thiol foods like;' eggs, milk, broccoli,

chlorella, and other high sulfur foods,etc. etc. Mono thiol foods have ONE

thiol. The mono thiol foods help mercury bounce around very fast in the body but

they do not help excrete the mercury.

>

> Coconut oil is not even high in sulfur, it has no hope of removing anything,

despite the metallic feeling or whatever happens when you put it into your

mouth.====>

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>

> But I am very clear

> that metals continue to come out of me and this is a big part of why I

> am getting gradually better.

>

> ===>You are free to believe what you like. I think we're going to have to

agree to disagree about this. But how long have you been reading on this list?

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> Peace.

>

> Michele

> http://www.healthgazelle.org

> http://www.kidslikemine.org

> http://www.solanorail.org

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Anyone can detox if they want to. Its not illegal. Lots of ways, oral

chelators like Pectasol CF, NDF, NCD, etc.

and you can get DMSA non-prescription from several sites like

www.vrp.com

There is also epsum salt footbaths with ionizer that works well, sauna,

etc.

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Well documented that blood tests aren't reliable method to test for

toxic metal body burden. Anyone should know better.

www.flcv.com/damspr17.html

For example mercury vapor passes through blood in less than 10 seconds

on average before its pumped somewhere and crosses a cell membrane into

a cell, often in organs that get the most blood. Magos et al, 1999

Toxic metals in general have short transition time in blood. Its well

known and well documented that blood tests only

recent acute exposures.