Question..

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In a message dated 11/4/00 10:22:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tomnrachel@... writes:

<< but my

concern as always is if he gets these colds so easily why would he not be

susceptible to highly contagious diseases pertussis possibly even polio. >>

,

Sometimes when you say stuff like this it makes me think you are some

kind of plant paid by some pharmaceutical company to be on this list and to

throw out these kinds of scary things every now and then to subtly question

any anti-vaccine sentiment on this list. Ha! But, hey, that's just my Fox

Mulder side coming out. I guess your concern is a normal, mainstream one.

I am in the process right now of reviewing all of the tapes from the

NVIC conference in the fall because my group, Familes for Natural Living, is

sponsoring a vaccine awareness here in Virginia on Nov. 16 (we have board

members who are docs who are presenting). I am compiling a list of

highlights of what each person who spoke said to go into a packet we are

giving parents - with all other kinds of info in it.

I challenge you, if you are serious about your concerns over infectious

diseases, to listen to these tapes for your self and take copious notes. Yes,

infectious diseases are real, and yes, they can be deadly. But, as Dr. Bart

Classen stated at the conference, we now have a kill ratio of three to one

for every child vaccinated. For every one child that recieves a benefit from

a vaccine, three will develop diabetes, which is a fatal disease. Classen

states that, according to the data he has gathered from public, international

diabetes registries, 79 % of all type I insulin dependent diabetes in

children under the age of 10 were vaccine-induced. These are not numbers

that he generated, just compiled and reported. Further more, these numbers

are reproducible in animal models - he can cause diabetes in mice by

vaccinating them. Classen has also repeatedly predicted rises and falls in

these diabetes clusters (occuring three to four years after the vaccination)

in different countries BEFORE they happen according to increases in their

mandatory vaccine programs. And this is just ONE autoimmune disease.

Classen also states that it doesn' t matter what kind of vaccine it is,

it has the same effect because all vaccines are meant to stimulate the immune

system and in some kids that means over stimulation - hence autoimmune

disorders like diabetes. Diabetes has tripled in American kids in the last

twenty years and the average age of onset has fallen from 12 years old to 5

years old.

This information is just ONE of the presentations out of 28 that were

made at the conference. It has taken me weeks to recuperate from all of the

information I learned at this three day conference. It is just horrifying.

I feel like I identify with and can understand the reactions people had to

learning of the death camps and systematic elimination of the Jews by the

Nazies in the last century. It seems too horrible to be true, but once you

do know the truth the weight of responsibility comes with it: WHAT ARE YOU

GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Remember the quote (somebody help me here with his

name) of the person who said he sat by and watched the Nazis come take the

Jews, then the Polish, one after another, until when it was his turn, there

was nobody left to speak up for him.

www.FamilesForNaturalLiving.org

" Making Conscious, Compassionate, and Informed Choices for Our Children "

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>tomnrachel@... writes:

>

><< but my > concern as always is if he gets these colds so easily why

>would he not be > susceptible to highly contagious diseases pertussis

>possibly even polio. >>

,

There are more children dying from asthma

There were 5,438 deaths from Asthma (1998)

Source: National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 48, No.11 (CDC FAST STATS)

and diabetes

Deaths Annually: 64,751 (1999)

(CDC FAST STATS)

than from VPD's....

You need to really figure out the risk/benefit ratio and where your children

fit in.

If annual deaths from ALL the VPD's together (approx 7,000) are 9 times less

than diabetes alone, seems to me that vaccines at this point in time do not

outweigh the benefits, for my family.

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the answer is beccause they are supposedly all immune !!!! How could he be exposed??? ask the question again...you'll find the answer

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, Thank you for your comments. I agree with you that the question

is what we are going to do about it. If we only worry about ourselves,

nothing will change.

And , a few points about your concerns about disease. Polio

is highly contagious, but hardly anyone gets a serious case of it.

Why is that? To me, that is the important question.

Most, if not all, of these diseases had declined significantly prior

to vaccine both re: incidence and severity. To me, the more important

issue is severity, particularly given that there may be some benefits to

the immune system to getting them. As long as you have a healthy

immune system, you are likely to experience no longterm

consequences of these diseases. So the question becomes how you.

But the proof is in the pudding - and in fact, as I mentioned, as nations

have improved socioeconomically the risks from the diseases have declined.

Polio was a different story - but as I mentioned in another email,

recent tonsillectomy and injections might have played a role, two

interventions more likely to occur the more developed the nation.

Amone the many problems with vaccinations I have been told

(I intend to research this myself) is the notion that the thymus,

which is involved in the immune system, gets incredibly overloaded

with vaccines, but not with the diseases themselves. So that there

isn't much left over after vaccination to deal with normal exposure

and challenge.

So parents need the right to choose for their own children whether

the disease is more of a risk, or the vaccine. For instance, a child

born to a Hepatitis B positive mother might be better off getting the

vaccine, since infants who get Hep B have a very high (95%) chance

of it being chronic and possibly leading to serious consequenes. An

infant not born to a mother with the disease has no risk, so it should

take no risk from vaccination.

Given how serious and widespread the reactions have been to the

vaccination, it may even be that infants of Hep B positive mothers

shouldn't even get it.

None of us know, however, what is best for another child. We need

good information, not information tainted by industry's interests, in

order to make the most informed decisions for our children. We

need to support the right of parents to make this important decision

for their children. We need to be respectful of all, especially because

each situation is unique.

That's my one cent worth. Sandy

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For some reason I lost part of my message. I have added it

to this version. Sandy

Re: Question..

> , Thank you for your comments. I agree with you that the question

> is what we are going to do about it. If we only worry about ourselves,

> nothing will change.

>

> And , a few points about your concerns about disease. Polio

> is highly contagious, but hardly anyone gets a serious case of it.

> Why is that? To me, that is the important question.

>

> Most, if not all, of these diseases had declined significantly prior

> to vaccine both re: incidence and severity. To me, the more important

> issue is severity, particularly given that there may be some benefits to

> the immune system to getting them. As long as you have a healthy

> immune system, you are likely to experience no longterm

> consequences of these diseases. So the question becomes how you

accomplish that. Breastfeeding, a healthy diet, exercise, sanitary (but not

overly conditions), safe water, etc. all play a role. But the proof is in

the

pudding - and in fact, as I mentioned, as nations

> have improved socioeconomically the risks from the diseases have declined.

>

> Polio was a different story - but as I mentioned in another email,

> recent tonsillectomy and injections might have played a role, two

> interventions more likely to occur the more developed the nation.

>

> Amone the many problems with vaccinations I have been told

> (I intend to research this myself) is the notion that the thymus,

> which is involved in the immune system, gets incredibly overloaded

> with vaccines, but not with the diseases themselves. So that there

> isn't much left over after vaccination to deal with normal exposure

> and challenge.

>

> So parents need the right to choose for their own children whether

> the disease is more of a risk, or the vaccine. For instance, a child

> born to a Hepatitis B positive mother might be better off getting the

> vaccine, since infants who get Hep B have a very high (95%) chance

> of it being chronic and possibly leading to serious consequenes. An

> infant not born to a mother with the disease has no risk, so it should

> take no risk from vaccination.

>

> Given how serious and widespread the reactions have been to the

> vaccination, it may even be that infants of Hep B positive mothers

> shouldn't even get it.

>

> None of us know, however, what is best for another child. We need

> good information, not information tainted by industry's interests, in

> order to make the most informed decisions for our children. We

> need to support the right of parents to make this important decision

> for their children. We need to be respectful of all, especially because

> each situation is unique.

>

> That's my one cent worth. Sandy

>

>

>

>

>

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I had the same problem with my son (grandson), when he was little. I figured his little body was missing something so he wasn't able to fight off germs as easily as he should have. He had been on antibiotics a great deal as an infant (due to natural parents), so I started giving him acidophilus. I also started giving him trace minerals each morning and bought Hansen's immune juice. He hasn't had a cold in a long time and I can finally take him out around other people without him getting sick.

Annette

Good parents make informed decisions concerning their children's health, education and well being.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

-----Original Message-----From: Tom and Muckerheide [mailto:tomnrachel@...]As far as I know I do everything right. Homeopathy vitamins no milk organicthis and that. Everytime my son get around a lot of children, Halloween, andhe started a mini gym class, he get a cold. He woke up this morning with arunny nose as he seems to always. So far no fever or anything else, but myconcern as always is if he gets these colds so easily why would he not besusceptible to highly contagious diseases pertussis possibly even polio. Ifhe were in a nursery at church where they change everyone's diapers and achild had the opv. This is irritating to me.

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In a message dated 11/4/00 2:40:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

adrienne@... writes:

<< ,

I tried to access this link in your sig, and I got an error saying it

doesn't have a DNS entry. Is there another URL I can look at?

Adrienne >>

If you copy pasted this I just noticed that Families is spelled wrong.

Sorry! Try FamiliesforNaturalLiving.org!

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Sorry to disappoint anyone who may think I am the culprit. As far as I know

a pharmaceutical company wouldn't even think of hiring me I only have a

diploma, these days it seems you need every abbreviation possible to get

hired anywhere. I am interested in the tapes. It depends how much they are

if they are under 100 bucks I can get them soon if not I will have to wait a

while. Thank you for your response.

[Guest guest]

><< ,

>

> I tried to access this link in your sig, and I got an error saying it

> doesn't have a DNS entry. Is there another URL I can look at?

>

> Adrienne >>

>If you copy pasted this I just noticed that Families is spelled wrong.

>Sorry! Try FamiliesforNaturalLiving.org!

Thanks!

Adrienne

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What's FNL? Do you already have a chapter in Sacramento?

Annette

CA-Prop38

-----Original Message-----From: LSRandKCR@... [mailto:LSRandKCR@...]In a message dated 11/4/00 7:11:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tomnrachel@... writes:<< It depends how much they areif they are under 100 bucks I can get them soon >>I paid $127 for mine. If you want to start an FNL chapter we will send them to you for free from our lending library! Ha! We really do send our library out to chapter leaders. Glad you have a good sense of humor. It comes in handy when trying to stay balanced and looking at this issue.

[Guest guest]

First, remember allergies play a part as well. Especially with no fever

present.

Second, do not take offense at this, but if you are the kind of mother,

or father, who over worries about dissinfecting everything in your house

and sterilizes too much, your child has not had a chance to exercise his

immune system and will be more suseptable to catching colds, having

allergies, etc.. It's one thing to be sure and have clean house and

dishes and all, but another to go to the extent of over-doing it.

Third, it is not necessarily a bad thing for him to have colds sometimes.

Again, the immune system must be exercised like any muscle of the body.

Fourth, if you truly understand the risks of vaccination, you should

never doubt. I know being a parent, especially a young first time mom,

can be scary. But life goes on and getting sick is a natural part of

life and an important part of immune development. Vaccines are not.

Jules in TX

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On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:13:04 -0500 " Tom and Muckerheide "

<tomnrachel@...> writes:

> As far as I know I do everything right. Homeopathy vitamins no milk

organic

> this and that. Everytime my son get around a lot of children,

Halloween, and

> he started a mini gym class, he get a cold. He woke up this morning

with a

> runny nose as he seems to always. So far no fever or anything else, but

my

> concern as always is if he gets these colds so easily why would he not

be

> susceptible to highly contagious diseases pertussis possibly even

polio. If

> he were in a nursery at church where they change everyone's diapers and

a

> child had the opv. This is irritating to me.

>

>

>

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Always watch E-bay for this kind of stuff.

Tom and Muckerheide wrote:

> Sorry to disappoint anyone who may think I am the culprit. As far as I know

> a pharmaceutical company wouldn't even think of hiring me I only have a

> diploma, these days it seems you need every abbreviation possible to get

> hired anywhere. I am interested in the tapes. It depends how much they are

> if they are under 100 bucks I can get them soon if not I will have to wait a

> while. Thank you for your response.

>

>

>

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>Always watch E-bay for this kind of stuff.

>

Watch for which stuff, the tapes or the diplomas?

I have been bombarded lately with junk emails stating that I can order

diplomas through them. I immedietly thought of that when I read your

statement.

>Tom and Muckerheide wrote:

>

> > Sorry to disappoint anyone who may think I am the culprit. As far as I

>know

> > a pharmaceutical company wouldn't even think of hiring me I only have a

> > diploma, these days it seems you need every abbreviation possible to get

> > hired anywhere. I am interested in the tapes. It depends how much they

>are

> > if they are under 100 bucks I can get them soon if not I will have to

>wait a

> > while. Thank you for your response.

> >

> >

> >

>

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In a message dated 1/12/01 9:20:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, snakken@...

writes:

<<

Monsanto loves it when people think aspartame is the greatest thing since

sliced bread.

NOT TRUE - dangerous. >>

I agree.Stick with stevia

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The link you sent came up error.. Please try again, I am interested in the

message.

[Guest guest]

At 09:51 AM 01/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>I know I should not be posting this here. But I don't remember who sent

>these items and last night a women I forwarded the information to said her

>girlfriend checked it out and its pretty bogus. The Mcs story she says

>was a farce and the scare tactic for aspartame. If anyone has info regarding

>either of these stories please email me privately.

>

>Thank you

>

>

Monsanto loves it when people think aspartame is the greatest thing since

sliced bread.

NOT TRUE - dangerous.

Same as Merck and the rest telling us that vaccine damage is untrue

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/aspartame.htm

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

530-478-1242

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

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Education, Homeopathic Education

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At 11:17 AM 01/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>The link you sent came up error.. Please try again, I am interested in the

>message.

>

>Rache

Whoops -forgot the name of my own page!

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/aspart.htm

Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

530-478-1242

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

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Monsanto would have you drink, eat , sleep and live pesticides, genetically

engineered foods, fake sugars, etc. if they could, and tell you that it was

all great for you. Hey, gotta' get that buck!...Sharon

Re: Question..

> At 09:51 AM 01/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> >I know I should not be posting this here. But I don't remember who sent

> >these items and last night a women I forwarded the information to said

her

> >girlfriend checked it out and its pretty bogus. The Mcs story she

says

> >was a farce and the scare tactic for aspartame. If anyone has info

regarding

> >either of these stories please email me privately.

> >

> >Thank you

> >

> >

>

> Monsanto loves it when people think aspartame is the greatest thing since

> sliced bread.

> NOT TRUE - dangerous.

>

> Same as Merck and the rest telling us that vaccine damage is untrue

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/aspartame.htm

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

> 530-478-1242

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

> women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

>

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can check out things like the McD's story here:

http://www.snopes2.com or here

http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/?once=true &

S.

Tom and Muckerheide wrote:

> I know I should not be posting this here. But I don't remember who sent

> these items and last night a women I forwarded the information to said her

> girlfriend checked it out and its pretty bogus. The Mcs story she says

> was a farce and the scare tactic for aspartame. If anyone has info regarding

> either of these stories please email me privately.

>

> Thank you

>

--

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When I was very young, I was disgracefully intolerant but

when I passed the thirty mark I prided myself on having

learned the beautiful lesson that all things were good,

and equally good. That, however, was really laziness.

Now, thank goodness, I've sorted out what matters and what

doesn't. And I'm beginning to be intolerant again.

- G. B. Stern

Doctors give drugs of which they know little,

into bodies, of which they know less,

for diseases of which they know nothing at all.

- Voltaire

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" Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech foods. Our interest

is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job "

Phil Angell - Monsanto's director of corporate communications

DeVan wrote:

> Monsanto would have you drink, eat , sleep and live pesticides, genetically

> engineered foods, fake sugars, etc. if they could, and tell you that it was

> all great for you. Hey, gotta' get that buck!...Sharon

> Re: Question..

>

> > At 09:51 AM 01/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> > >I know I should not be posting this here. But I don't remember who sent

> > >these items and last night a women I forwarded the information to said

> her

> > >girlfriend checked it out and its pretty bogus. The Mcs story she

> says

> > >was a farce and the scare tactic for aspartame. If anyone has info

> regarding

> > >either of these stories please email me privately.

> > >

> > >Thank you

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Monsanto loves it when people think aspartame is the greatest thing since

> > sliced bread.

> > NOT TRUE - dangerous.

> >

> > Same as Merck and the rest telling us that vaccine damage is untrue

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/aspartame.htm

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

> > 530-478-1242

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

> > women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

> >

> > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> > DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> > Education, Homeopathic Education

> > KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

> >

> >

> >

--

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When I was very young, I was disgracefully intolerant but

when I passed the thirty mark I prided myself on having

learned the beautiful lesson that all things were good,

and equally good. That, however, was really laziness.

Now, thank goodness, I've sorted out what matters and what

doesn't. And I'm beginning to be intolerant again.

- G. B. Stern

Doctors give drugs of which they know little,

into bodies, of which they know less,

for diseases of which they know nothing at all.

- Voltaire

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

Well, they certainly care about their consumer, don't they? Gag...Sharon

Re: Question..

> >

> > > At 09:51 AM 01/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> > > >I know I should not be posting this here. But I don't remember who

sent

> > > >these items and last night a women I forwarded the information to

said

> > her

> > > >girlfriend checked it out and its pretty bogus. The Mcs story

she

> > says

> > > >was a farce and the scare tactic for aspartame. If anyone has info

> > regarding

> > > >either of these stories please email me privately.

> > > >

> > > >Thank you

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Monsanto loves it when people think aspartame is the greatest thing

since

> > > sliced bread.

> > > NOT TRUE - dangerous.

> > >

> > > Same as Merck and the rest telling us that vaccine damage is untrue

> > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/aspartame.htm

> > > --------------------------------------------------------

> > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

> > > 530-478-1242

> > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > > " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men

( &

> > > women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

> > >

> > > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE.

THE

> > > DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> > > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> > > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine

Dangers

> > > Education, Homeopathic Education

> > > KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> > > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> --

>

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>

> When I was very young, I was disgracefully intolerant but

> when I passed the thirty mark I prided myself on having

> learned the beautiful lesson that all things were good,

> and equally good. That, however, was really laziness.

> Now, thank goodness, I've sorted out what matters and what

> doesn't. And I'm beginning to be intolerant again.

> - G. B. Stern

>

> Doctors give drugs of which they know little,

> into bodies, of which they know less,

> for diseases of which they know nothing at all.

> - Voltaire

>

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~~

>

>

>

>

>

>

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< The last time I posted, I asked about my diet, and I found that I

had too much peanut butter in it. >

That's indeed a bad thing if it's processed with hydrogenated

vegetable oil, as most regular peanut butters are.

< So, now in week 11, I have managed to cut the peanut butter out,

with the exception of the natural peanut butter that occasionally

gets mixed in with my Chocolate Myoplex. (MMMM!!!) >

Believe it or not, you can feel free to indulge more than

occasionally. " Raw nuts and seeds . . . are craving-killing dynamos,

containing protein (particularly rich in the superstar amino acid,

arginine), 'good fat,' fiber, potassium and magnesium, more naturally

occurring vitamin E than any other food, and conferring a strong

thermogenic effect. . . .

" . . . .

" The epidemiological studies finding that nuts protect against heart

disease are consistent with clinical trials finding that nut

consumption may decrease coronary risk by up to 40%. In one study

published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, eating nuts 5 times

per week was associated with a lower risk of heart disease than

exercising 3 times per week. . . .

" . . . .

" Nut butter is a tasty and spreadable variation on the nut theme.

Don't limit yourself to peanut butter. . . . [Y]ou should find any or

all of the following: almond butter, cashew butter, hazelnut butter,

and tahini (sesame seed butter). . . .

" Be sure to by only natural nut butters. Those are the ones that do

not bear the words 'partially hydrogenated' or 'hydrogenated' on the

label. . . . Because they are not hydrogenated, natural nut butters

tend to be less creamy, with a grainier texture, and the oil tends to

separate from the nutmush. As a general rule, the more wholesome the

food, the more quickly it spoils (especially if it contains fat).

Accordingly, foods containing natural oils should be stored in the

refrigerator. "

(Rob Faigin, _Natural Hormonal Enhancement_ [2000,

http://www.extique.com], pp 191-92)

< Any suggestions on how I can " target " this area to help lose this

bulge? I haven't seen any changes in my clothing, and I'm slightly

bummed, because my goal was to get to a size 10-12 by the end of this

challenge, and I have one week left to go! >

Spot-reducing is impossible. You may want to try cutting back on

carbs. Are you getting enough of the good fats?

Best wishes,

Andy

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm not on treatment, by my own choice at this time. The reason I decided not

to take treatment is because I contracted it from a blood transfusion over 40

years ago, my viral count is low and I showed no liver inflammation or damage on

my biopsy. Not only that, I am genotype 1B, and genotypes 1 do not respond well

to the treatment. I have no symptoms except occasional fatigue, so I saw no

reason to expose myself to the potential side effects of treatment. I tend to

have reactions to medications in general, so the probability of having them is

pretty strong. A NIH study I read last fall said that someone like me may never

have the disease progress.

That being said, if I was a genotype other than 1, I would hop on the treatment

in a New York minute. You were given the right information, your genotype is

responsive to the treatment. You're young, you have young children and are in

good health right now. The odds are in your favor to have a good outcome and

stay healthy, and it sounds like you don't have to be on the meds for a long

time. My doctor wanted me on them for 18 months, something I've never heard of

anywhere else.

Good luck on your treatment, I'm sure it will be successful!

Marilyn

question..

Hello everyone,

I am a little confused... I have been hearing some say that they arn't on

treatment yet?? Or it is not time for treatment. I was under the

impression that treatment was a must... I thought of it as I am going to

get sick either way, so I midas well try.. The reason I am asking is

because well, here is a short verson of my story.

[Guest guest]

Your husband is WRONG to call you stupid. But...I would not do

treatment without a liver biopsy. Only a liver biopsy can show you if

you have liver disease. A sonogram won't show fibrosis. With your

Genotype you do have a good chance of erradicating the virus though.

Yes, the treatment makes you much sicker than the actual disease does

for the most part. But then it is chemotherapy and if you had Cancer,

he would expect you to do the treatments even if you felt good,

right? You may want to point it out to him that way.

If you do the treatment, and it gets rid of the virus for you, then

you have done the right thing. Without the HCV virus in you, it won't

harm your liver! Sounds to me like he just needs to be educated a

little bit about it.

Ask your Dr why a biopsy was not done prior to treatment, as that is

the protocol for treating. Also, viral load has nothing to do with

the amount of liver damage you may or may not have. It's just a

number and tends to fluctuate wildly on it's own!

Hope this helps.

LeighAnn

[Guest guest]

Is your husband infected with HCV as well? He doesn't necessarily

have the same genotype. Just because you both have it, doesn't mean

one of you gave it to the other.

A 7 yr old biopsy is too old. You could have progressed alot or not

at all in that time. I would call and ask the Dr to do one before

continuing on the treatment.

LeighAnn