Re: details of messages on internet

[Guest guest]

I was not aware this was a " public " group, nor that the details about

my daughter and family would be available to every old lover or

acquaintance who just got curious as to what I was up to.

I'm changing my aliases now, but it won't undo what is already available.

Out of the nearly 40 groups I belong to, this is the only one which

makes the archives publicly available, and I wish I had been more

aware of this before posting.

Liora

[Guest guest]

And now I'm finding that, though I can delete my own posts, replies to

my posts (with my info in them, see below) can only be deleted by the

poster, or the moderator.

I do not want any personal info publicly accessible, where it concerns

my daughter, period.

Mods can you help me delete all these old messages?

thank you.

>

> I was not aware this was a " public " group, nor that the details about

> my daughter and family would be available to every old lover or

> acquaintance who just got curious as to what I was up to.

>

> I'm changing my aliases now, but it won't undo what is already

available.

>

> Out of the nearly 40 groups I belong to, this is the only one which

> makes the archives publicly available, and I wish I had been more

> aware of this before posting.

>

> Liora

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I was not aware this was a " public " group, nor that the details about

> my daughter and family would be available to every old lover or

> acquaintance who just got curious as to what I was up to.

>

> I'm changing my aliases now, but it won't undo what is already available.

>

> Out of the nearly 40 groups I belong to, this is the only one which

> makes the archives publicly available, and I wish I had been more

> aware of this before posting.

It isn't like this is kept secret.

Also I would not be surprised if all 39 other groups were close enough to public

it doesn't

matter.

It constantly amazes me what people post on public, archived listservers that is

clearly

individually identifiable.

BTW, you CAN actually delete your own posts (though not others' responses to

them) if it

is crucially important.

> Liora

>

[Guest guest]

Same here. Thanks

On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:52 PM, lioracc wrote:

> And now I'm finding that, though I can delete my own posts, replies to

> my posts (with my info in them, see below) can only be deleted by the

> poster, or the moderator.

>

> I do not want any personal info publicly accessible, where it concerns

> my daughter, period.

>

> Mods can you help me delete all these old messages?

>

> thank you.

>

>

> >

> > I was not aware this was a " public " group, nor that the details

> about

> > my daughter and family would be available to every old lover or

> > acquaintance who just got curious as to what I was up to.

> >

> > I'm changing my aliases now, but it won't undo what is already

> available.

> >

> > Out of the nearly 40 groups I belong to, this is the only one which

> > makes the archives publicly available, and I wish I had been more

> > aware of this before posting.

> >

> > Liora

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Andy pointed out that only the messages you sent can be deleted.

What this means is that anyone who replied to

your message most likely quoted your original

message in their text. This will not be deleted,

so in essence your information will remain in the

archives.

I also believe Onibasu archives are operated

independently from the list, and so you will have

to contact the administrators there as well.

There are other archives (educational institutions) which mirror the lists.

>Same here. Thanks

>On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:52 PM, lioracc wrote:

>

>> And now I'm finding that, though I can delete my own posts, replies to

>> my posts (with my info in them, see below) can only be deleted by the

>> poster, or the moderator.

>>

>> I do not want any personal info publicly accessible, where it concerns

>> my daughter, period.

>>

>> Mods can you help me delete all these old messages?

>>

>> thank you.

>>

>>

>> >

>> > I was not aware this was a " public " group, nor that the details

>> about

>> > my daughter and family would be available to every old lover or

>> > acquaintance who just got curious as to what I was up to.

>> >

>> > I'm changing my aliases now, but it won't undo what is already

>> available.

>> >

>> > Out of the nearly 40 groups I belong to, this is the only one which

>> > makes the archives publicly available, and I wish I had been more

>> > aware of this before posting.

>> >

>> > Liora

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> How long do these messages stick around on all these different sites?

> Do they eventually disappear? after severeal years?

A while back, deleted many of the first/older messages

from this site and a few others, mostly sites that are high volume.

But, many people raised a major uproar, so stopped doing that.

Messages on this site go back many years, even despite the deleting of

the oldest messages.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> A while back, deleted many of the first/older messages

> from this site and a few others, mostly sites that are high volume.

> But, many people raised a major uproar, so stopped doing that.

>

Actually there was no " uproar " needed. They deleted the messages

because they had set something up somewhere with some sort of

maximum number of messages that they could imagine any group

ever having -- and we exceeded it. It was not malicious on

their part, and they didn't even intend to delete " real "

messages. Their settings assumed that either our volume of

messages or our size of archive must mean that the content

was spam.

They were perfectly willing to change the settings once it

was pointed out that they were deleting our content.

Anyway, the point is the same: at the moment doesn't

delete messages regardless of age.

If you are really concerned, you may not want to know that

there are also backup copies of the internet such that even

DELETED content MAY be stored and " findable " forever or

darned close to it. If you do want to know. search for

" way back " or " wayback " .

Moria