Mineral depletion

November 15, 2004

Kari,

I don't see why it would cause mineral depletion, unless one used distilled

water. I think I'd know if it caused depletion, because I am deficient in

magnesium and if I don't take it all the time, I get muscle cramps. If kombucha

was depleting it, I'd have to increase my magnesium dosage, and I haven't have

to do that.

The sugar content is pretty low in kombucha and I think the beneficial organisms

more than make up for the small amount of sugar.

Carol

Hello Again, thought it might take up less space with 2 small ??

An herbalist friend has issue with KT because of tea causing mineral

depletion.(Also with sugar, re:candida, but I know KT combats

candida overgrowth,right?) I'd like to be able to give her a

sensible response. Thanks, again, Kari

November 15, 2004

Re: Mineral Depletion

Kari,

I don't see why it would cause mineral depletion, unless one used distilled

water.

November 15, 2004

,

Did I say there was no sugar in kombucha? I don't think so. (See

below.) I was very worried about the sugar myself, so I did some

research on it in relation to candida overgrowth, which I use to have.

Just recently there was a link posted that showed the breakdown of

kombucha and the end product does contain sugar. The fermentation

process uses a lot of the sugar used in recipes for the tea. The point

is that, even though it contains sugar, the organisms in the tea help

counteract candida. (Carrots contain sugar too, but they're supposedly

antifungal.) There are also studies at PubMed showing that kombucha

helps defend against an overgrowth of candida.

There is a lot of controversy about distilled water. So, much so that I

finally went on an extended search to make my own determination. I am

convinced it's not good and that it does absorb minerals from the body

and wash them out.

It also doesn't seem natural to me, since our forefathers drank water

that was not distilled. I just don't understand why anyone wants to use

it. It has no value that I can see except possibly in cleansing, but I

wouldn't even use it for that, because of mineral loss. I do use it in

my iron, however, because I don't want mineral build up in it.

Here is a little of what Mercola says about distilled water:

" Since distilled water is like a vacuum without any minerals, it will

actually leach beneficial minerals from your body to balance it out.

While this maybe beneficial for a short period during some sort of

detoxification regimen, this is usually highly counter productive in the

long run. "

Here's the link - Mercola's comments are at the end of the article:

http://www.mercola.com/2002/may/8/distilled_water.htm#

This is in no way the only reason I decided against distilled water, by

the way. To be convinced, I think you will have to do your own

research. I've been in this argument before and it's almost as bad as

vegetarianism/veganism, for how vehement proponents can become. I

really don't want to go there.

Carol

Carol, I use distilled water to make my kombucha. Is that a problem? And

I'm still wondering about the sugar, too...because even with a nice tart

5 week brew, the counter is still sticky where it spills (hummm, isn't

that sugar?) Regular vinegar isn't sticky like that.

of Dewberry Hill

The sugar content is pretty low in kombucha and I think the beneficial

organisms more than make up for the small amount of sugar.

Carol

November 15, 2004

Distilled. The link I posted was about distilled water too.

Carol

Are you talking about distilled water or deionized

water? Deionized is actually quite dangerous to

consume, as it has no ions and thus can leach ions

out of your body. However, deionized water is rather

hard to come by--at my lab at work we have a whole

wall of pumps and filters required to make it.

/andrea

November 15, 2004

Kombucha is a vinegar and according to both western and TCM is " astringent " .

And it does leech the body of minerals. Except the minerals it leeches is

toxins and poisons.

There is a saying " Garbage in Garbage Out " works in the computer world but

not in our bodies. Garbage In Stays In. The normal vehicle for this transfer

is water. Yet most of our water is contaminated. And most of us are

functioning dehydrated. Now many doctors are claiming Do Not drink Distilled

water ... as it will leech minerals from your body... That is exactly the

purpose. **** Good Stuff In Bad Stuff Out ***

from my website ... more on the TCM role of Kombucha ....

The classification of kombucha vinegar according to Traditional Chinese

Medicine is Sour, Bitter and Warm, and milder than alcohol which is Hot

(alcohol contributes to phlegm and stagnation). TCM uses vinegar (kombucha)

to break stagnation and to move the blood and Qi. Thus improving circulation

and contributing to the general feeling of well-being.

As a Pro-biotic: Acidic kombucha, pH 2-3.5 aids the Stomach (both in the

TCM and western sense) in the breakdown and digestion of food ingested.

Beneficial bacteria and yeasts, that comprise the Live K-T or Pressed

Extract (as opposed to pasteurized, neutralized, alcoholic or dead kombucha)

compete with and help remove (suppress) harmful bacteria, yeast, parasites.

(Probably why Candia sufferers can drink K-T). Then due to the synergism of

the stomach acids and kombucha (Acid and Alkaline meets Yin and Yang, Herman

Aihara ISBN 0-918860-44-x), kombucha transforms into an alkaline forming

substance. Now the transformed Alkaline kombucha pH 7+, aids the Spleen

(function in TCM), intestines, gall bladder and pancreas (function in

western speak) in metabolizing and distributing that digest throughout the

body. Thus IMHO, kombucha truly holistically balances & harmonizes the body.

The actual pH of the body changes. As researched recently by Dr Barefoot

(Calcium Factor) and earlier by the Germans “Kombuchal” see German

Reichspatent 538 028 online in both the original German and an English

translation offered by Harald Tietz and others.

http://happyherbalist.com/german_kombucha_patent.htm

In China Kombucha has been referred to as the “Elixir of Life” in the west

it is commonly called a SCOBY: Symbiotic Culture OF Bacteria and Yeast. IMO,

the symbiosis is not between the bacteria and yeasts but between the

kombucha ferment and me.

This is one explanation why kombucha works for some and not for others.

Kombucha simply makes your body healthier by enabling better assimilation of

food, drink and thoughts.

For Candida KT should be sour, the more sour the better. Fermented foods are

good for our bodies - when the fermentation is done outside our body. Raw

sugar will ferment inside our body and wreck havoc on us. It is also best

to take KT before meals so the stomach can better breakdown the sugar before

it gets somewhere else.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

www.HappyHerbalist.com

Mineral Depletion

Hello Again, thought it might take up less space with 2 small ??

An herbalist friend has issue with KT because of tea causing mineral

depletion.(Also with sugar, re:candida, but I know KT combats

candida overgrowth,right?) I'd like to be able to give her a

sensible response. Thanks, again, Kari

January 12, 2009

Does anyone know of papers/studies that confirms chelation (ALA in our

case) does NOT deplete minerals. My son's developmental pediatrician is

pressuring me to stop chelation and is convinced my son is going to die

from heart failure due to low calcium. We use this doctor mainly for

blood work and never has my son's calcium levels been an issue.........

Can't even mention a hair test to him. As you can see, he's totally

against chelation and says it's one of the biggest hoaxes in the autism

community...........so anyway, i like to present him with a " paper "

because that is the way he works, only with a paper to back it up. BTW,

we supplement with calcium!!

Thanks,

Sherry

January 13, 2009

You'd need to refer to Andy for papers on this. He talks about it in

Amalgam Illness, but I am unsure of what papers he read.

Why would your son die from heart failure from low calcium if you are

giving him calcium. that is ridiculous. They just don't want you to

cure him, the you don't need them. We have not bothered with our

developmental ped since beginning chelation. They had nothing to offer

us. I would tell them you stopped and do it anyway. He may not

beleive you even with the paper.

Also ala does not bind/remove calcium or any other minerals. It's an

antioxidant and there are plenty of articles to show that it is just

that. Most don't even mention or realize it removes mercury. So if you

just giving your son an antioxidant...so what.

If this guy wants to stand in the way of a useful treatment, then he

is not useful and you may need to find someone else or continue on

your own.

-- In , " s_hoobler " <sherryhoobler@...>

wrote:

>

> Does anyone know of papers/studies that confirms chelation (ALA in our

> case) does NOT deplete minerals. My son's developmental pediatrician is

> pressuring me to stop chelation and is convinced my son is going to die

> from heart failure due to low calcium. We use this doctor mainly for

> blood work and never has my son's calcium levels been an issue.........

> Can't even mention a hair test to him. As you can see, he's totally

> against chelation and says it's one of the biggest hoaxes in the autism

> community...........so anyway, i like to present him with a " paper "

> because that is the way he works, only with a paper to back it up. BTW,

> we supplement with calcium!!

> Thanks,

> Sherry

>

January 13, 2009

is right, why tell the anything at all. It's not important

since developmental peds only asses develop, they don't treat it, or

cure it or improve it. So giving ala is not relevant. But I agree.

never give out more than you need too. It can used against you by

authorities to say your crazy or neglectful or neurotic.

If you know that the ala is not doing any of what he says, and you

know that chelation works...why listen to this guy? It's not his kid.

And I don't waste time reeducating some of these people, because they

are not open to learning.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: s_hoobler

>

> Does anyone know of papers/studies that confirms chelation (ALA in

our

> case) does NOT deplete minerals. My son's developmental

pediatrician is

> pressuring me to stop chelation and is convinced my son is going

to die

> from heart failure due to low calcium. We use this doctor mainly for

> blood work and never has my son's calcium levels been an

issue.........

>

> ===>Sherry, I do know that calcium moves opposite to body content

on the hair test. Meaning that high calcium on the hair test suggests

wasting calcium or a deficit and low calcium suggests that either the

person has adequate calcium or their intake is low, which doesn't mean

their body stores are low.

>

> Gosh, does that make sense? Sorry, it's late.

>

> Along with the calcium make sure you are giving Vitamin D and

magnesium and Vitamin K.

>

> We always had high hair calcium and high serum calcium, which

meant it wasn't being absorbed, until we added Vitamin K.

>

> What does your son's bloodwork show, as far as calcium is

concerned.===>

>

> Can't even mention a hair test to him. As you can see, he's totally

> against chelation and says it's one of the biggest hoaxes in the

autism

> community...........

>

> ===>This is not helpful to you, probably, but it is the reason I

never tell anything more than necessary to health care

providers/school/government, etc, etc. unless I'm up for eye rolling

and diatribes from people who don't know what they are talking about.

If any of us had a penny for every stupid thing drs told us, we'd be

rich.===>

>

> so anyway, i like to present him with a " paper "

> because that is the way he works, only with a paper to back it up.

BTW,

> we supplement with calcium!!

> Thanks,

> Sherry

>

January 13, 2009

>

> Does anyone know of papers/studies that confirms chelation (ALA in our

> case) does NOT deplete minerals.

It appeared to deplete minerals at my house, which was a good thing

because my son had high/toxic levels of several minerals.

>>My son's developmental pediatrician is

> pressuring me to stop chelation and is convinced my son is going to die

> from heart failure due to low calcium.

This sounds like that story several years ago where the doctor did not

use CaEDTA in the IV and the child died. Are you using IV chelation?

> Can't even mention a hair test to him. As you can see, he's totally

> against chelation and says it's one of the biggest hoaxes in the autism

> community.

Find another doctor.

Dana

January 13, 2009

The only thing I can suggest is to make him read Cutler's books (Amalgam

Illness and Hair Test Interpretation). Provide Cutler's background info (PhD

from Princeton, etc).

Was he tested for magnesium level? Is he on any meds that increases mag

levels? I was on medication that did this, and it depleted my calcium. So I

stopped the med and just took calcium until I felt comfortable enough to

start taking mag again.

It could be that chelation is improving his digestion/absorption, so he's

absorbing more of something that inhibits calcium absorption.

Go to " Drug-Nutrient Interactions " and " Nutrient Interactions " part of this

web site to see if anything there is true:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=45

It also lists Adequate Intake levels by age groups at the bottom, so make

sure he's getting enough!

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:08 PM, s_hoobler <sherryhoobler@...>wrote: