to chelate or not, was Re: If you could start over again...

[Guest guest]

requisite ps...this chelating or not - leads to another thought for

me...and why Andy totally rocks, imo...He is consistently pursuing the

way to chelate mercury & so much more - without doing more harm...For

me, that is key. And he pounds his ideas for a reason - there is no

arguing with chemistry. Not considering the half-life of any given

chemical, is not cool. This still happens. Very not cool..

As the effects can be very individual & complex, he remains a

touchstone for me - I consistently finding answer to my dilemmas in

his ideas & concrete advice... " if this happens, try this " " if this

doesn't happen, then try that " type of stuff...A monumental task, rife

with complications, imo...He carries it off well.

I consider myself & my kids a continuing success story - My " if this

is as good as it gets, this is soooo good enough " of two years

ago...well, I and We are soooo much better than these days, that I

have totally expanded our horizons, in ways I could not have

imagined...My migraine girl is thriving in ways that I did not even

expect to be able to hope for or envision. She is totally thriving -

that is huge. Just being a kid, figuring out her own ways. Versus

figuring out how to cope with the pain & issues of rather continuous

migraineland. Gratitude does even cover this one - too big, yk? Andy

rocks. period. chuckling - along with all the other people here,

btw!! lololol...ya'all rock, imo. My requisite " gush " moment for the

month, eh? still chuckling...and soooo getting some sleep very very

soon

wishing all the best, elizabeth

>

> Monika said...

>

> I also started incorporating some exercises the speech pathologist

> suggested

>

> when we play and already he has learned a couple of new words in just

> 2 weeks so

>

> I am thinking that chelation won't be necessary.

>

> ====I have a (rather rambling) thought on this...

> You have done alot of supplementing and supportive stuff, which is a

> really good idea & part and parcel of the big ideas in chelating

> metals - having these in place make moving the metals around & out

> much easier to cope with, than they would otherwise be....

> However, my understanding is that the goal is bigger than that - the

> purpose to chelating also revolves around the idea of ending up

> healthy & thriving, at whatever stage of healing you can achieve,

> without the need for a bunch of supportive supplements and

> therapies...that thriving & not needing supportive measures to do so,

> is considered a test of sorts, for the " cured " or " not cured " aspect

> of mercury toxicity. If hair tests have shown mercury toxicity, then

> I would consider chelating. Or lead, or arsenic, etc etc.. I would

> also note that supplementing can also normalize a hair test, depending

> on the toxicity involved, even while there is still mercury around and

> still busy doing its " apoptosis " thing...all the supportive

> supplements and such give you & your liver/kidneys/etc more " ammo " to

> combat the effects, without really getting rid of the underlying

> toxicity - the mercury stored in your head causing systemic issues...

> ...

>

> You also said...

>

> Maybe you should get a diagnosis first? What things suggest that your

> son is on the spectrum?

>

> ===I also do not think diagnosis is necessarily helpful, depends on

> the situation & the child & the doctor(s) that are available & the

> luck of the draw....Feels like mostly helpful when in need of targeted

> supportive therapies, tests, and such, which ultimately just revolves

> around things like insurance coding and such, so that someone can get

> paid, yk? ig...but, this is based on my experience - of sliding thru

> the " cracks " in past years and several of us " should have " been

> diagnosed with something at some time, but, in hindsite, I am very

> very grateful that it happened this way, without any (targeted)

> diagnosing going on....chuckling, did hear a bunch of myriad opinions,

> tho, now that I think on it

>

> Big sigh, did all that make sense? Not even close to being

> argumentative or anything like that - reread this & could appear that

> way, I am thinking...tho I am very tired tonite I am just thinking

> that there is more to consider here.

>

> wishing you the best, elizabeth

>

[Guest guest]

Andy is an island of truth in the middle of an ocean lies.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

[ ] to chelate or not, was Re: If you could start over

again...

requisite ps...this chelating or not - leads to another thought for

me...and why Andy totally rocks, imo...He is consistently pursuing the

way to chelate mercury & so much more - without doing more harm...For

me, that is key. And he pounds his ideas for a reason - there is no

arguing with chemistry. Not considering the half-life of any given

chemical, is not cool. This still happens. Very not cool..

As the effects can be very individual & complex, he remains a

touchstone for me - I consistently finding answer to my dilemmas in

his ideas & concrete advice... " if this happens, try this " " if this

doesn't happen, then try that " type of stuff...A monumental task, rife

with complications, imo...He carries it off well.

I consider myself & my kids a continuing success story - My " if this

is as good as it gets, this is soooo good enough " of two years

ago...well, I and We are soooo much better than these days, that I

have totally expanded our horizons, in ways I could not have

imagined...My migraine girl is thriving in ways that I did not even

expect to be able to hope for or envision. She is totally thriving -

that is huge. Just being a kid, figuring out her own ways. Versus

figuring out how to cope with the pain & issues of rather continuous

migraineland. Gratitude does even cover this one - too big, yk? Andy

rocks. period. chuckling - along with all the other people here,

btw!! lololol...ya'all rock, imo. My requisite " gush " moment for the

month, eh? still chuckling...and soooo getting some sleep very very

soon

wishing all the best, elizabeth

>

> Monika said...

>

> I also started incorporating some exercises the speech pathologist

> suggested

>

> when we play and already he has learned a couple of new words in just

> 2 weeks so

>

> I am thinking that chelation won't be necessary.

>

> ====I have a (rather rambling) thought on this...

> You have done alot of supplementing and supportive stuff, which is a

> really good idea & part and parcel of the big ideas in chelating

> metals - having these in place make moving the metals around & out

> much easier to cope with, than they would otherwise be....

> However, my understanding is that the goal is bigger than that - the

> purpose to chelating also revolves around the idea of ending up

> healthy & thriving, at whatever stage of healing you can achieve,

> without the need for a bunch of supportive supplements and

> therapies...that thriving & not needing supportive measures to do so,

> is considered a test of sorts, for the " cured " or " not cured " aspect

> of mercury toxicity. If hair tests have shown mercury toxicity, then

> I would consider chelating. Or lead, or arsenic, etc etc.. I would

> also note that supplementing can also normalize a hair test, depending

> on the toxicity involved, even while there is still mercury around and

> still busy doing its " apoptosis " thing...all the supportive

> supplements and such give you & your liver/kidneys/etc more " ammo " to

> combat the effects, without really getting rid of the underlying

> toxicity - the mercury stored in your head causing systemic issues...

> ...

>

> You also said...

>

> Maybe you should get a diagnosis first? What things suggest that your

> son is on the spectrum?

>

> ===I also do not think diagnosis is necessarily helpful, depends on

> the situation & the child & the doctor(s) that are available & the

> luck of the draw....Feels like mostly helpful when in need of targeted

> supportive therapies, tests, and such, which ultimately just revolves

> around things like insurance coding and such, so that someone can get

> paid, yk? ig...but, this is based on my experience - of sliding thru

> the " cracks " in past years and several of us " should have " been

> diagnosed with something at some time, but, in hindsite, I am very

> very grateful that it happened this way, without any (targeted)

> diagnosing going on....chuckling, did hear a bunch of myriad opinions,

> tho, now that I think on it

>

> Big sigh, did all that make sense? Not even close to being

> argumentative or anything like that - reread this & could appear that

> way, I am thinking...tho I am very tired tonite I am just thinking

> that there is more to consider here.

>

> wishing you the best, elizabeth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , thanks for you comments, I appreciate them.

 

The reason I think it is important to get a diagnosis is because sometimes

babies just develop at different paces. Like with language delay, for example,

our speech pathologist told us that boys typically develop later than girls and

might not start speaking at all until 18 months (vs 12 months for girls). Some

babies are very bright and simply do not speak until they are 2 or 3 years old

(there is a good book on the topic called " Einstein Syndrome: Bright Children

Who Talk Late " by Sowell). We're mainly going to a speech pathologist for

the just in case scenario because if it turns out our son is not a late speaker

but has apraxia for example (which can't be accurately diagnosed until age 3)

then he would have missed out on 1.5 years of therapy. 

 

While I generally feel that parents are better guides than doctors or " experts "

on their child's development and health, I still think it is useful to know what

you are dealing with (for example, with a speech delay, it could be that your

child is on the autism spectrum, it could also be apraxia, or your child could

be perfectly fine and just be a late talker - but isn't it better to have other

assessments other than the one you make at home to be sure?

 

As for us, I don't really think my son has a mercury problem though I would

prefer to have him tested but unfortunately where we live (Toronto, Ontario,

Canada) I have yet to find a doctor or naturopath who even believes in mercury

poisoning, so even the naturopathic clinics I have been to, they do not do hair

tests unless something very obvious happened (i.e. breaking a mercury

thermometer) and since they have such little knowledge of mercury poisoning, I

would not trust them to interpret the tests either. So for me to chelate him, I

would need to see bigger signs that there is a problem, and right now I am not

altogether convinced that he really does have a speech delay as he has been

improving a lot and he is not yet even 18 months so that is not a decision I

would make until maybe he is 2 years and still very much behind in language

development than his peers.

 

So as such I am left to just use my own judgment at at the moment I feel that my

son is ok. I have one small amalgam filling left (I got the rest removed 4 years

prior to becomming pregnant) and luckily this filling is on the side, not on the

bottom of the tooth so I make sure not to drink very hot liquids as this

increases the mercury exposure from the vapours (as would chewing if the filling

was on the bottom of the tooth).  I feel that most of my mercury problems were a

result of very bad protcol (or lack of protocol altogether) on the part of the

doctor that removed my fillings 4 years ago (he did not follow IAOMT and through

some detective work I realized that all my current yeast/ulcerative colitis

symptoms began a few months of the removal of these fillings so I know that

there is a heavy mecury burdan in my organs and tissues but I don't suspect that

much of this is circulating in my blood stream since my exposure was so long

ago.  So for me it

is just a matter of common sense - I still feel it is far better to breastfeed

than not,even if you have fillings, and there are several reputable sources that

agree with me http://www.kellymom.com/health/chemical/mercury.html,

http://www.mothering.com/articles/new_baby/breastfeeding/dont-trash.html

 

And I really do think every parent needs to follow their own gut with respect to

their children's health but sometimes getting a second or third or fouth opinion

from a professional can at least rule out some concerns.

 

Again, for us, my son isn't vaccinated so I am pretty sure his mercury burdan is

pretty low. Also children have varying abilities to clear mercury from their

system and there have been some studies that show that children who have low

levels of mercury in urine tests or on blood tests actually could be very

mercury toxic but if the exposure was not recent, the burdan is in their cells

and organs rather than their blood so that is why it would not appear on tests. 

If a child can detoxify mercury (and the mercury burdan is low) then I'm still

not sure if it would be better support the body to detoxify on its own through

supplementaiton support of the liver/kidneys, etc. rather than chelate. I'm

still undecided on that one. 

 

But I definately am still on the search for a good health practitioner.

Unfortunately Canada is even more behind in even accepting heavy metal toxicity

or even parasites than is the US (I think Europe is far ahead of us in this

respect).

 

So that is my take on things but I really appreciate your input. Feel free to

share if you have any other thoughts.

 

Cheers,

 

Monika