LDN and sleep

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone, I have a " dumb " question....is the benefit of LDN

diminished if I wake up between 2 and 4 am? Can there be a disruption

of the " process " if the sleep pattern is not consistent? Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Hi I haven't had any problem during the day. I had the

anticipated, slightly disruptied sleep for the first week or so. I

just usually have to get up once during the night for the restroom

and was wondering if there was any issue with the likelihood that I

wake up between 2 and 4 am. Goood luck for your son. Brynn

>

> My son who has CVID (Common Variable Immune Deficiency) has

started taking

> LDN 3 mg but is ready to give it up. He says that it makes him so

sleepy

> that he can't make it through an entire day.

>

> Has anyone else had this side effect?

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I started LDN more than one week ago. I've had CFS for 18 years, and in the

past ten years have been dealing with severe sleep problems, e.g., fragmented

and non restorative sleep. I take a bunch of meds and supplements for this

which are only somewhat effective. A friend with Lyme and CFS told me it helped

her sleep.

The first five nights on it (4.5mg) I slept soooo much better, and the

subsequent days, my energy got better and better each day. Then the sixth night,

I slept horribly and it's been more bad than good, the past four nights. I've

read about the 'intense dreaming' and that didn't start until the sixth night.

I tried cutting the dose in half (2.25 mg -- I'm working from capsules) and one

night I slept very badly, last night, though was better, although it had the

intense dreaming and waking up all buzzy too early.

Curious if anyone had any suggestions or similar experiences. Maybe I should cut

the dose even lower?

Some background: I took LDN the first year i was ill, 1991-92. I did recover,

but very slowly, with no immediate reaction to LDN. I relapsed one year later

and have been sick ever since. Of course, I tried it again, but to no avail. I

tried it again about three years ago for sleep, but it had no effect.

One thing that's changed: I've had two rounds of Valcyte and while I didn't feel

any better, my HHV6 titres dropped dramatically, but EBV are still sky high. I

started Valtrex for that three weeks ago, and I'm wondering if perhaps my

strong initial reaction to LDN this time is because my immune system is dealing

with 'less infections'. I also took antibiotics about nine years ago, for eight

months, for mycoplasman and lyme. Like so many people it's a very complex

situation and a real challenge to keep track of it all especially when the two

worst symptoms are neurocognitive problems and severe sleep problems!

Thanks in advance for reading all this. I'm sure I've left out important

details, but like most with CFS, I could write a book just describing all my

changing symptoms and treatments!

mike

[Guest guest]

Mike when you talk about sky high EBV count what numbers are you talking about? I recently had a blood draw and my EBV was near 4000. I couldn't believe it.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

Hi, I started LDN more than one week ago. I've had CFS for 18 years, and in the past ten years have been dealing with severe sleep problems, e.g., fragmented and non restorative sleep. I take a bunch of meds and supplements for this which are only somewhat effective. A friend with Lyme and CFS told me it helped her sleep.The first five nights on it (4.5mg) I slept soooo much better, and the subsequent days, my energy got better and better each day. Then the sixth night, I slept horribly and it's been more bad than good, the past four nights. I've read about the 'intense dreaming' and that didn't start until the sixth night. I tried cutting the dose in half (2.25 mg -- I'm working from capsules) and one night I slept very badly, last night, though was better, although it had the intense dreaming and waking up all buzzy too early.Curious if anyone had any suggestions or similar experiences. Maybe I should cut the dose even lower?Some background: I took LDN the first year i was ill, 1991-92. I did recover, but very slowly, with no immediate reaction to LDN. I relapsed one year later and have been sick ever since. Of course, I tried it again, but to no avail. I tried it again about three years ago for sleep, but it had no effect.One thing that's changed: I've had two rounds of Valcyte and while I didn't feel any better, my HHV6 titres dropped dramatically, but EBV are still sky high. I started Valtrex for that three weeks ago, and I'm wondering if perhaps my strong initial reaction to LDN this time is because my immune system is dealing with 'less infections'. I also took antibiotics about nine years ago, for eight months, for mycoplasman and lyme. Like so many people it's a very complex situation and a real challenge to keep track of it all especially when the two worst symptoms are neurocognitive problems and severe sleep problems!Thanks in advance for reading all this. I'm sure I've left out important details, but like most with CFS, I could write a book just describing all my changing symptoms and treatments!mike------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Mike, , my EBV numbers were almost 4,000 as well. I've been on LDN for a month now and will be retested in about two months. Also on an anti-viral. Similar experience??

From: D GRADISKA <allegria47@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleeplow dose naltrexone , "nickolai1812" <msallen1984@...>Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:20 AM

Mike when you talk about sky high EBV count what numbers are you talking about? I recently had a blood draw and my EBV was near 4000. I couldn't believe it.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

Hi, I started LDN more than one week ago. I've had CFS for 18 years, and in the past ten years have been dealing with severe sleep problems, e.g., fragmented and non restorative sleep. I take a bunch of meds and supplements for this which are only somewhat effective. A friend with Lyme and CFS told me it helped her sleep.The first five nights on it (4.5mg) I slept soooo much better, and the subsequent days, my energy got better and better each day. Then the sixth night, I slept horribly and it's been more bad than good, the past four nights. I've read about the 'intense dreaming' and that didn't start until the sixth night. I tried cutting the dose in half (2.25 mg -- I'm working from capsules) and one night I slept very badly, last night, though was better, although it had the intense dreaming and waking up all buzzy too early.Curious if anyone had any suggestions or similar experiences. Maybe I should

cut the dose even lower?Some background: I took LDN the first year i was ill, 1991-92. I did recover, but very slowly, with no immediate reaction to LDN. I relapsed one year later and have been sick ever since. Of course, I tried it again, but to no avail. I tried it again about three years ago for sleep, but it had no effect.One thing that's changed: I've had two rounds of Valcyte and while I didn't feel any better, my HHV6 titres dropped dramatically, but EBV are still sky high. I started Valtrex for that three weeks ago, and I'm wondering if perhaps my strong initial reaction to LDN this time is because my immune system is dealing with 'less infections'. I also took antibiotics about nine years ago, for eight months, for mycoplasman and lyme. Like so many people it's a very complex situation and a real challenge to keep track of it all especially when the two worst symptoms are neurocognitive problems and severe sleep

problems!Thanks in advance for reading all this. I'm sure I've left out important details, but like most with CFS, I could write a book just describing all my changing symptoms and treatments!mike------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

-- What anti viral are you on? My EBV titres are 1:10,320! The numbers can look different at different labs. Mine were done at Focus, which is what Dr. Montoya uses. I was in his Valcyte study. I'm on Valtrex now.I've an amazing improvement in my sleep since I started LDN two weeks ago. It's puzzling, as I tried it three years ago and it had no effect. I was just feeling desperate one day and took some from an old bottle. I did take it way back in 1991 when I first became ill. I recovered back then but there was no dramatic response to the LDN and I was also doing twice weekly mega vitamin drips. I recovered for a year, stopped the LDN and relapsed a year later. Tried the LDN and the drips again, but nada.So I'm wondering now if the anti virals have brought my reactivated viruses under enuf

control for my immune system to actually benefit from the LDN? No way to really tell. With Valcyte, my HHV6 levels dropped a lot and have stayed low for more than a year, but my EBV levels didn't budge, that's why I'm taking Valtrex. My doctors told me that Valtrex will only 'suppress' EBV not eliminate it, so if it works I'd have to be on it long term. I don't have much money left and my insurance just covers catostrophic stuff, so the viral testing is $$$. The Stanford study covered the last two tests, but now I pay out of pocket. But if I do continue to improve I may pay for another EBV test in the fall.I've had CFS for at least 18 years, btw and have been on disability since late 1993. I'm also on about 4-5 drug and an equal number of supplements for SLEEP alone. Hoping maybe I can cut back, but for now just trying to enjoy feeling more rested as the sleep problems have been awful for about nine years

now.michael

From: D GRADISKA <allegria47@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleeplow dose naltrexone , "nickolai1812" <msallen1984@...>Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:20 AM

Mike when you talk about sky high EBV count what numbers are you talking about? I recently had a blood draw and my EBV was near 4000. I couldn't believe it.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

Hi, I started LDN more than one week ago. I've had CFS for 18 years, and in the past ten years have been dealing with severe sleep problems, e.g., fragmented and non restorative sleep. I take a bunch of meds and supplements for this which are only somewhat effective. A friend with Lyme and CFS told me it helped her sleep.The first five nights on it (4.5mg) I slept soooo much better, and the subsequent days, my energy got better and better each day. Then the sixth night, I slept horribly and it's been more bad than good, the past four nights. I've read about the 'intense dreaming' and that didn't start until the sixth night. I tried cutting the dose in half (2.25 mg -- I'm working from capsules) and one night I slept very badly, last night, though was better, although it had the intense dreaming and waking up all buzzy too early.Curious if anyone had any suggestions or similar experiences. Maybe I should

cut the dose even lower?Some background: I took LDN the first year i was ill, 1991-92. I did recover, but very slowly, with no immediate reaction to LDN. I relapsed one year later and have been sick ever since. Of course, I tried it again, but to no avail. I tried it again about three years ago for sleep, but it had no effect.One thing that's changed: I've had two rounds of Valcyte and while I didn't feel any better, my HHV6 titres dropped dramatically, but EBV are still sky high. I started Valtrex for that three weeks ago, and I'm wondering if perhaps my strong initial reaction to LDN this time is because my immune system is dealing with 'less infections'. I also took antibiotics about nine years ago, for eight months, for mycoplasman and lyme. Like so many people it's a very complex situation and a real challenge to keep track of it all especially when the two worst symptoms are neurocognitive problems and severe sleep

problems!Thanks in advance for reading all this. I'm sure I've left out important details, but like most with CFS, I could write a book just describing all my changing symptoms and treatments!mike------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

ebv is bossible to get out your body with vit c up to bowl tolerance.also after

20 years.if you are intrested in the protocol,e-mail me.

>

>

> From: D GRADISKA <allegria47@...>

> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

> low dose naltrexone , " nickolai1812 " <msallen1984@...>

> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 12:20 AM

>

>

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>

>

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>

> Mike when you talk about sky high EBV count what numbers are you talking

about?  I recently had a blood draw and my EBV was near 4000.  I couldn't

believe it.

>  

>

>

> [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

>

> Hi, I started LDN more than one week ago. I've had CFS for 18 years, and in

the past ten years have been dealing with severe sleep problems, e.g.,

fragmented and non restorative sleep. I take a bunch of meds and  supplements

for this which are only somewhat effective. A friend with Lyme and CFS told me

it helped her sleep.

>

> The first five nights on it (4.5mg) I slept soooo much better, and the 

subsequent days, my energy got better and better each day. Then the sixth night,

I slept horribly and it's been more bad than good, the past four nights. I've

read about the 'intense dreaming' and that didn't start until the sixth night.

>

> I tried cutting the dose in half (2.25 mg -- I'm working from capsules) and

one night I slept very badly, last night, though was better, although it had the

intense dreaming and waking up all buzzy too early.

>

> Curious if anyone had any suggestions or similar experiences. Maybe I should

> cut the dose even lower?

>

> Some background: I took LDN the first year i was ill, 1991-92. I did recover,

but very slowly, with no immediate reaction to LDN. I relapsed one year later

and have been sick ever since. Of course, I tried it again, but to no avail. I

tried it again about three years ago for sleep, but it had no effect.

>

> One thing that's changed: I've had two rounds of Valcyte and while I didn't

feel any better, my HHV6 titres dropped dramatically, but EBV are still sky 

high. I started Valtrex for that three weeks ago, and  I'm wondering if perhaps

my strong initial reaction to LDN this time is because my immune system is

dealing with 'less infections'. I also took antibiotics about nine years ago,

for eight months, for mycoplasman and lyme. Like so many people it's a very

complex situation and a real challenge to keep track of it all especially when

the two worst symptoms are neurocognitive problems and severe sleep

> problems!

>

> Thanks in advance for reading all this. I'm sure I've left out  important

details, but like most with CFS, I could write a book just describing all my

changing symptoms and treatments!

>

> mike

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am also a patient of Dr. Montoya's. I'm on Valtrex and LDN 4.5mg. I started

Valtrex about three months ago and noticed the brain fog lifted after a few

weeks, then my resting heart rate went down to 88, which is good for me because

it had been 100 or higher for the last two years.

I've been on LDN for only two weeks, but am having less pain. I have fibro + CFS

with some thyroid issues thrown in. Feeling better though, and more optimistic.

5-htp and melatonin helps get me into a deeper more restorative sleep, but I

also take Ambien every night. Chamomile tea helps too.

Tamra in Gilroy

>

> -- What anti viral are you on?  My EBV titres are 1:10,320! The numbers

can look different at different labs. Mine were done at Focus, which is what Dr.

Montoya uses. I was in his Valcyte study. I'm on Valtrex now.

>

> I've an amazing improvement  in my sleep since I started LDN two weeks ago.

It's puzzling, as I tried it three years ago and it had no effect. I was just

feeling desperate one day and took some from an old bottle.

>

>  I did take it way back in 1991 when I first became ill. I recovered back then

but there was no dramatic response to the LDN and  I was also doing twice weekly

mega vitamin drips. I recovered for a year, stopped the  LDN and relapsed a year

later. Tried the LDN and the drips again, but nada.

>

> So I'm wondering now if the anti virals have brought my reactivated viruses

under enuf control for my immune system to actually benefit from the LDN? No way

to really tell. With Valcyte, my HHV6 levels dropped a lot and have stayed low

for more than a year, but my EBV levels didn't budge, that's why I'm taking

Valtrex. My doctors told me that Valtrex will only 'suppress' EBV  not eliminate

it, so if it works I'd have to be on it long term. I don't have much money left

and my insurance just covers catostrophic stuff, so the viral testing is $$$.

The Stanford study covered the last two tests, but now I pay out of pocket. But

if I do continue to improve I may pay for another EBV test in the fall.

>

> I've had CFS for at least 18 years, btw and have been on disability since late

1993. I'm also on about 4-5 drug and an equal number of supplements for SLEEP

alone. Hoping maybe I can cut back, but for  now just trying to enjoy feeling 

more rested as the sleep problems have been awful for about nine years now.

>

> michael

[Guest guest]

> I have also tried melatonin- same feeling – horrible feeling

> and harder to get to sleep.

My nutritionist doctor recommended melatonin long before the LDN, so have taken

it for years. She said to take a 3 mg capsule and I said it did nothing. She

said to up it 3 mg per night until you wake up groggy the next morning. For my

husband and myself, this was 12 mg, so we backed off to one 10 mg capsule. It is

not at all like a sleeping pill that knocks you out, but is the body's natural

way of letting you relax. Even now, I still occasionally wake up between 2 and 4

and have a hard time getting back to sleep, but I just figure it is the

endorphins flowing. I still wake up with more energy than I did for years.

Francie

[Guest guest]

Pat, for sleep now for 2 years at least, I take 500mg Inositol, 500mg Gaba, .25mg Melatonin. The low dose melatonin works for many and a lot has been written about low dose vs a higher dose. I often top this off with .25mg or a tad less of lorazepam. I buy 1mg tabs from Source Naturals and break them in 4's.

I take the first 3 supps about an hour before I'm going to sleep and the lorazepam when I'm getting into bed. Also, I did end up taking the LDN at 9am. I'm off LDN right now but perhaps I'll try a very very low dose come April. joyce

[low dose naltrexone] LDN and sleep

I have been on LDN about 10 days now and only side effect is getting to sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no more joint pain) since on LDN and good energy .

I have had insomnia problems before LDN but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½ hour before bedtime has helped me (prior to LDN) to get to sleep and keep me asleep for 4-5 hours.

I guess I though the insomnia would only last about a week or so

Any assistance anyone can give on getting back to a decent night’s sleep . I tried Ambien last year and it made me hyper with horrible hangover feeling in the morning. I have also tried melatonin- same feeling – horrible feeling and harder to get to sleep.

I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights last year and that worked but I don’t think I can take this with LDN?

Pat

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[Guest guest]

Pat-- It's generally considered that 2-3 weeks is the maximum time that a

person's sleep should be disturbed, that most people acclimate by then and

are able to sleep. To my knowledge Benadryl is ok to take with LDN so you

might try that for yourself again. Do what works for you.

Some people say that as a last resort, you can take the LDN in the morning

instead, but longtimers continue to say that nighttime dosing is strongly

preferable.

I've been taking LDN since end of 2009 and I'm so very happy I am. So much

less pain and exhaustion.

best wishes,

--

At 08:39 PM 3/25/2010, you wrote:

>I have been on LDN about 10 days now and only side effect is getting to

>sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no more joint pain) since on

>LDN and good energy .

>

>I have had insomnia problems before LDN but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½

>hour before bedtime has helped me (prior to LDN) to get to sleep and keep

>me asleep for 4-5 hours.

>

>I guess I though the insomnia would only last about a week or so

>

>Any assistance anyone can give on getting back to a decent night’s sleep

>. I tried Ambien last year and it made me hyper with horrible hangover

>feeling in the morning. I have also tried melatonin- same feeling –

>horrible feeling and harder to get to sleep.

>I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights last year and that worked but I

>don’t think I can take this with LDN?

>

>Pat

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

a few more sleep aids commonly used:

L-tryptophan is again available in health food stores and vitamin stores

like GNC.

5-HTP *converts to tryptophan) " " " "

valarian " " " "

took me a good month or more to get adjusted to it. i didn't try anything

for a sleep aid as my time was flexible.

it helps to get plenty of exercise every day... any way you can, like it or

not.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I’m really hoping I don’t have to go off

LDN. In less than 2 weeks, my joint pain is completely gone- I was taking 4

Aleve/day and nothing now & no other Rx. I did not have fatigue before, but

I definitely notice better energy.

 Also, my vision is  a bit improved, why would that be?

From: JOYCE MARTINO

[mailto:jam2006@...]

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:17 PM

'n Van Til'; low dose naltrexone ; Pat

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] LDN and sleep

Pat, for

sleep now for 2 years at least, I take 500mg Inositol, 500mg Gaba, .25mg

Melatonin. The low dose melatonin works for many and a lot has

been written about low dose vs a higher dose. I often top this off with

..25mg or a tad less of lorazepam. I buy 1mg tabs from

Source Naturals and break them in 4's.

I take the

first 3 supps about an hour before I'm going to sleep and the lorazepam when

I'm getting into bed. Also, I did end up taking the LDN at

9am. I'm off LDN right now but perhaps I'll try a very very low

dose come April. joyce

-----

Original Message -----

From: Pat

'n Van

Til' ; low dose naltrexone

Sent: Thursday, March 25,

2010 6:39 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone]

LDN and sleep

I have been on LDN about 10 days now and

only side effect is getting to sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no

more joint pain) since on LDN and good energy .

I have had insomnia problems before LDN

but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½ hour before bedtime has helped me (prior to

LDN) to get to sleep and keep me asleep for 4-5 hours.

I guess I though the insomnia would only

last about a week or so

Any assistance anyone can give on

getting back to a decent night’s sleep . I tried Ambien last year

and it made me hyper with horrible hangover feeling in the morning. I have also

tried melatonin- same feeling – horrible feeling and harder to get to

sleep.

I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights

last year and that worked but I don’t think I can take this with

LDN?

Pat

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[Guest guest]

Thanks maybe I’ll give it a few more weeks before I try

another sleep aid

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On

Behalf Of bob Larson

Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:38 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] LDN and sleep

a few more sleep aids commonly used:

L-tryptophan is again available in health food stores and vitamin stores

like GNC.

5-HTP *converts to tryptophan) " " " "

valarian " " " "

took me a good month or more to get adjusted to it. i didn't try anything

for a sleep aid as my time was flexible.

it helps to get plenty of exercise every day... any way you can, like it or

not.

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:39:38 -0300, Pat <patinsall@...> wrote:> I have been on LDN about 10 days now and only side effect is getting to> sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no more joint pain) since on LDN and good energy .> I have had insomnia problems before LDN but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½> hour before bedtime has helped me (prior to LDN) to get to sleep and > keep me asleep for 4-5 hours.>> I guess I though the insomnia would only last about a week or so> Any assistance anyone can give on getting back to a decent night’s sleep  > I tried Ambien last year and it made me hyper with horrible hangover  > feeling in the morning. I have also tried melatonin- same feeling – horrible  > feeling and harder to get to sleep.> I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights last year and that worked but I> don’t think I can take this with LDN?> PatMy own "sleep issues" with LDN lasted some weeks. That's discouraging, but the insomnia will subside! For some of us it takes a lot longer for the body to adjust to that endorphin kick in the middle of the night. I personally wouldn't recommend taking any pharmaceutical-drug sleep aids. As you've already discovered, they cause more problems than they solve for many of us.Melatonin did work for me -- but in a very, VERY low dose. If I were to take as much as 3 mg (which is a standard tablet amount for many brands) I would have the same reaction you did (and have had, that's why I know!)  If I need melatonin at all now I take just one 300 mcg tablet -- which a little under one-third of one milligram -- and that works well for me. You may be reacting to a too-high dose.Also, of course be sure that you haven't drunk anything containing caffeine late in the day; if you do, that could also be having an effect. For me, "late in the day" is anything past mid-afternoon.I've never taken hydrocodone, so I can't speak to it.Your insomnia will go away. I know it's tough in the meantime. I don't know what you're taking LDN for, but if you're able to walk or ride a bike or get some other exercise earlier in the evening -- even mild exercise -- that also helps a lot I've found to help me sleep better.n-- ______________________________A funny, touching gift book for cat lovers. Signed copies, free shipping (U.S., reduced elsewhere): Confessions of  a Cataholic: My Life With the 10 Cats Who Caused My Addiction by n Van Til www.wordpowerpublishing.com  

[Guest guest]

Have you tried Unisom? It is like benadryl but a lot stronger. When I have bouts

of insomnia I switch between those two because they seem to lose effectiveness

after a few nights. Make sure you look at the ingredient and it says

" doxylamine. " I think there is some Unisom that is just diphenhydramine (the

active ingredient in Benadryl). There is also cheaper generic doxylamine, like

CVS brand. That stuff really knocks me out.

>

> I have been on LDN about 10 days now and only side effect is getting to

> sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no more joint pain) since on

> LDN and good energy .

>

>

>

> I have had insomnia problems before LDN but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½

> hour before bedtime has helped me (prior to LDN) to get to sleep and keep me

> asleep for 4-5 hours.

>

>

>

> I guess I though the insomnia would only last about a week or so

>

>

>

> Any assistance anyone can give on getting back to a decent night's sleep .

> I tried Ambien last year and it made me hyper with horrible hangover feeling

> in the morning. I have also tried melatonin- same feeling – horrible feeling

> and harder to get to sleep.

>

> I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights last year and that worked but I

> don't think I can take this with LDN?

>

>

>

> Pat

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have been taking the CVS diphenhydramine HCL 50 mg( 2 25

mg. capsules) – same ingredient in Unisom

As I mentioned this has worked great for me for the past year

and ½  and had not lost its effectiveness for me until I started LDN about 2

weeks ago

I am going to give LDN a little more time before I add any other

sleep aids – others here have indicated that LDN adjustment period for

them is more than 7 to 10 days

From: low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of tierneywayne

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:53 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

Have you tried Unisom? It is like benadryl but

a lot stronger. When I have bouts of insomnia I switch between those two

because they seem to lose effectiveness after a few nights. Make sure you look

at the ingredient and it says " doxylamine. " I think there is some

Unisom that is just diphenhydramine (the active ingredient in Benadryl). There

is also cheaper generic doxylamine, like CVS brand. That stuff really knocks me

out.

>

> I have been on LDN about 10 days now and only side effect is getting to

> sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no more joint pain) since on

> LDN and good energy .

>

>

>

> I have had insomnia problems before LDN but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½

> hour before bedtime has helped me (prior to LDN) to get to sleep and keep

me

> asleep for 4-5 hours.

>

>

>

> I guess I though the insomnia would only last about a week or so

>

>

>

> Any assistance anyone can give on getting back to a decent night's sleep .

> I tried Ambien last year and it made me hyper with horrible hangover

feeling

> in the morning. I have also tried melatonin- same feeling – horrible

feeling

> and harder to get to sleep.

>

> I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights last year and that worked but I

> don't think I can take this with LDN?

>

>

>

> Pat

>

[Guest guest]

Can one take Unisom sleep tabs with LDN?

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On

Behalf Of Pat

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:07 PM

'tierneywayne'; low dose naltrexone

Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

Yes, I have been taking the CVS

diphenhydramine HCL 50 mg( 2 25 mg. capsules) – same ingredient in Unisom

As I mentioned this has worked great for

me for the past year and ½ and had not lost its effectiveness for me

until I started LDN about 2 weeks ago

I am going to give LDN a little more

time before I add any other sleep aids – others here have indicated that

LDN adjustment period for them is more than 7 to 10 days

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On

Behalf Of tierneywayne

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:53 PM

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN and sleep

Have you tried Unisom? It is like benadryl but a lot stronger. When I have

bouts of insomnia I switch between those two because they seem to lose

effectiveness after a few nights. Make sure you look at the ingredient and it

says " doxylamine. " I think there is some Unisom that is just

diphenhydramine (the active ingredient in Benadryl). There is also cheaper

generic doxylamine, like CVS brand. That stuff really knocks me out.

>

> I have been on LDN about 10 days now and only side effect is getting to

> sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no more joint pain) since on

> LDN and good energy .

>

>

>

> I have had insomnia problems before LDN but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½

> hour before bedtime has helped me (prior to LDN) to get to sleep and keep

me

> asleep for 4-5 hours.

>

>

>

> I guess I though the insomnia would only last about a week or so

>

>

>

> Any assistance anyone can give on getting back to a decent night's sleep .

> I tried Ambien last year and it made me hyper with horrible hangover

feeling

> in the morning. I have also tried melatonin- same feeling – horrible

feeling

> and harder to get to sleep.

>

> I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights last year and that worked but I

> don't think I can take this with LDN?

>

>

>

> Pat

>

[Guest guest]

Pat,

I found from experience that sleep during the first 2-3 weeks was different for me. While I still slept well, I did have some strange dreams. I didn't take anything for it.

K

From: Baker <vbaker@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 8:17:06 PMSubject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] LDN and sleep

Pat-- It's generally considered that 2-3 weeks is the maximum time that a person's sleep should be disturbed, that most people acclimate by then and are able to sleep. To my knowledge Benadryl is ok to take with LDN so you might try that for yourself again. Do what works for you.Some people say that as a last resort, you can take the LDN in the morning instead, but longtimers continue to say that nighttime dosing is strongly preferable.I've been taking LDN since end of 2009 and I'm so very happy I am. So much less pain and exhaustion.best wishes,--At 08:39 PM 3/25/2010, you wrote:>I have been on LDN about 10 days now and only side effect is getting to >sleep and staying asleep. I am off all Aleve (no more joint pain) since on >LDN and good energy .>>I have had insomnia problems before LDN but taking 50 mg of Benadryl a ½ >hour before

bedtime has helped me (prior to LDN) to get to sleep and keep >me asleep for 4-5 hours.>>I guess I though the insomnia would only last about a week or so>>Any assistance anyone can give on getting back to a decent night’s sleep >. I tried Ambien last year and it made me hyper with horrible hangover >feeling in the morning. I have also tried melatonin- same feeling – >horrible feeling and harder to get to sleep.>I took Hydrocodone BT for a few nights last year and that worked but I >don’t think I can take this with LDN?>>Pat~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste