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In a message dated 00-02-22 14:35:49 EST, you write:

<< some lotions do this and

soaps.....my skin seems to be more delicate since I have been sick....and my

girls have the same problem....I am constinately itching could this be do to

materials and laundry soaps and could this be caused from Lyme...just

curious.??

>>

Dear ,

We've had various rashes (not the " bulls-eye " ) - just odd little itchies...

Did read somewhere that spirochetes do push through to skin - also that they

like to " hide " in scar tissue. Asked one doc to do a scraping & test for

them, but same old - " oh no... blah, blah, blah " response.

Have also read that alcohol should never be used when one has lyme (anyone

know why??? Does it feel the chetes?) - not even extrenally. So, when we go

for blood tests, we make hosp. use the Betadyne wipes instead of alcohol.

We've found that most lotions, etc. have alcohol in them, too...

Hope this helps

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Hi Cyntha,

Skipping around in my mail, but just wanted to welcome you back, we

missed you, and let you know that when I am not on abx, I itch and scratch

like crazy. Early in my disease, I spent much of my time in oatmeal baths

trying to get some relief. I tried all the creams, lotions and anti-itch

stuff on the market, Benedryl too, nothing helped, but time. The bottoms of

my feet used to itch so bad, I would stand on a hairbrush trying to get

relief. The itching seemed to come from inside, not on the outer skin. I

also had awful itchy inner wrists. Looking back, those areas that itched so

bad, are the biggest pain areas when I herx....strange! I read in an

earlier post that you may have thyroid problems and not LD as originally

suspected, I hope and pray that is the case, I know you were never really

sure exactly what your problem was, at least with Thyroid there are

treatments available, so I pray this is the problem and not LD.

(Bernadette) Bratdet@... is our expert on Thyroid. She is currently

unsubscribed, I am sure if you wrote her with questions she would be happy

to help you.

Lots of Love,

Marta

>From: " Cyntha Landon " <cyntha@...>

>

>This may seem strange but I am curious...is any one sensitive to things

that

>are put on their skin...I and my three girls can not put bandaids or any

>kind of tape on our skin..this is troublesome to the doctors..lots of

>laughs...last time I was in the hospital I just grinned and bared it since

>they didn't know what else to do...they had to change the iv often because

>my skin would swell and go red with hives....some lotions do this and

>soaps.....my skin seems to be more delicate since I have been sick....and

my

>girls have the same problem....I am constinately itching could this be do

to

>materials and laundry soaps and could this be caused from Lyme...just

>curious.??

>

>Cyntha landon Idaho

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Oh marta that is the same kind of itching with me....update about the

thyroid...doctor doesn't exactly know why but my thyroid went very

hyper...he talked to my husband I don't know how high and they wouldn't tell

him so they will send me the results on paper.....but I went from . 075 mg

to .005 mg Levothyroxine. he also keeps switching me from synthroid to

Levo...now that really isn't much at all..but he can't figure out why I keep

going from hypo to hyper to hypo to hyper..the last two months it has been

flying high...very frustrating..he can't find any reason for this since

every thing else seems to be normal...anybody have any ideas..this is very

frustrating to me...now I wonder if it was ever normalized like they

think...but I still worry about lyme because of the neuro symptoms and my

daughter Celeste who has neurological problems and my daughters seem to have

the same itching problems and some of the same symptoms as I do just not as

high and noticable....sigh..so frustrating.

Cyntha Landon Idaho

Feeling crummy and my throat is killing me and always tired.

Re: [Lyme-aid] question???

> From: " Marta McCoy " <mlmccoy@...>

>

> Hi Cyntha,

> Skipping around in my mail, but just wanted to welcome you back, we

> missed you, and let you know that when I am not on abx, I itch and scratch

> like crazy. Early in my disease, I spent much of my time in oatmeal baths

> trying to get some relief. I tried all the creams, lotions and anti-itch

> stuff on the market, Benedryl too, nothing helped, but time. The bottoms

of

> my feet used to itch so bad, I would stand on a hairbrush trying to get

> relief. The itching seemed to come from inside, not on the outer skin. I

> also had awful itchy inner wrists. Looking back, those areas that itched

so

> bad, are the biggest pain areas when I herx....strange! I read in an

> earlier post that you may have thyroid problems and not LD as originally

> suspected, I hope and pray that is the case, I know you were never really

> sure exactly what your problem was, at least with Thyroid there are

> treatments available, so I pray this is the problem and not LD.

> (Bernadette) Bratdet@... is our expert on Thyroid. She is currently

> unsubscribed, I am sure if you wrote her with questions she would be happy

> to help you.

> Lots of Love,

> Marta

>

>

> >From: " Cyntha Landon " <cyntha@...>

> >

> >This may seem strange but I am curious...is any one sensitive to things

> that

> >are put on their skin...I and my three girls can not put bandaids or any

> >kind of tape on our skin..this is troublesome to the doctors..lots of

> >laughs...last time I was in the hospital I just grinned and bared it

since

> >they didn't know what else to do...they had to change the iv often

because

> >my skin would swell and go red with hives....some lotions do this and

> >soaps.....my skin seems to be more delicate since I have been sick....and

> my

> >girls have the same problem....I am constinately itching could this be do

> to

> >materials and laundry soaps and could this be caused from Lyme...just

> >curious.??

> >

> >Cyntha landon Idaho

>

>

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Cyntha,

Please write to Bernadette at Bratdet@... she is our resident expert

on all things thyroid. She is off list now, and won't see your posts.

Good luck,

Marta

>From: " Cyntha Landon " <cyntha@...>

>

>Oh marta that is the same kind of itching with me....update about the

>thyroid...doctor doesn't exactly know why but my thyroid went very

>hyper...he talked to my husband I don't know how high and they wouldn't

tell

>him so they will send me the results on paper.....but I went from . 075 mg

>to .005 mg Levothyroxine. he also keeps switching me from synthroid to

>Levo...now that really isn't much at all..but he can't figure out why I

keep

>going from hypo to hyper to hypo to hyper..the last two months it has been

>flying high...very frustrating..he can't find any reason for this since

>every thing else seems to be normal...anybody have any ideas..this is very

>frustrating to me...now I wonder if it was ever normalized like they

>think...but I still worry about lyme because of the neuro symptoms and my

>daughter Celeste who has neurological problems and my daughters seem to

have

>the same itching problems and some of the same symptoms as I do just not as

>high and noticable....sigh..so frustrating.

>

>Cyntha Landon Idaho

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Dear Gaye,

The only dumb question is the one you don't ask - especially if it can result

in an error.

That said - your first question:

IVF: D5 1/2 NS with 20 mEq KCl @ 100 mL/hr.

break down -Intravenous Fluid: Dextrose 5% (in water) and 1/2 (or 0.45%)

normal saline with 20 milliequivalents of potassium chloride to infuse at a rate

of 100 milliliters per hour.

The second question " W " - W q 6 h - not quite sure of this one - Is it

something you saw in print or is it an interpretation of a written order. There

are

some abbrv. that contain W - D5W; SWFI, but not sure about the context you've

asked about.

Hope this helps, let us know if you have any other questions.

Respectfully,

Anne LaVance, BS, CPhT

Technician Instructor

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IVF: D5 1/2 NS with 20mEq KCL @ 100ml/h???

What is W stands for? like the (ampicillin 500mg W Q 6 H?)

IVF = IntraVenous Fluids

D5W = Dextrose 5% in Sterile Water

1/2 NS = 0.45% Normal Saline in Sterile Water (NS = Normal Saline which is

0.9%)

with 20 mEq KCL = add 20 mEq to the D5W 1/2 NS

@ 100 ml/h = Administer this solution to the patient at the rate of 100 ml

per hour through their IV.

Della

Cat Haven, Inc

A No-Kill Cat Rescue

Houston, Tx

www.cat-haven.org

Question???

Hi All,

I have a question about how would you interpret the words...i

felt so stupid now...hmmmmm but hope you can help me with this...

IVF: D5 1/2 NS with 20mEq KCL @ 100ml/h???

What is W stands for? like the (ampicillin 500mg W Q 6 H?)

gaye allen

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I only drove my Saturn to the regional so you wouldn't get jealous

>

> > I have a question!!! Ok like I said I have not really been

involved

> > in the LPA conventions. So I was looking on the internet for the

> > next conference and I guess its in San Fransisco. I read that

> > conference rates are $109.00 dollars a night. If LPA is a non

> > profit organization then why is it so much to join LPA. Someones

> > pockets are getting fat and there telling people that its a non

> > profit organization. I am not trying to be rude, but it seems

that

> > there is a catch to all of this. Someone please define NON

> > PROFIT!!! Then tell me if its right.

> >

> >

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" Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem.

I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone

120.

My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00.

My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00.

My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12

I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good.

Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T went

way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593.

I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed

nothing wrong.

I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs.

On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL

range 75 - 212. This is my last test.

About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked.

FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40.

T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27.

T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2.

T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0.

TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7.

I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= 7.0

to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine.

I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15.

My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour

can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We

read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol to

carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can do

some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil says

closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it does

not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as

hers and opened wide and kept trying to close.

I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every winter

I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is not

working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3 to

4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I wake

up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr.

gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this is

not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels.

Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T shots

last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started

now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45 days

Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a

breathing test.

Thanks Phil

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She does sound like a bypass patient, but if she is, she doesn't want anyone to know since she told me she lost it on her own, but get this, while I was talking to her she told me in her own words, "I have NO willpower" how do you lose 160 pounds without it, I can't even lose 25 without the band...I do no she was hospitalized yesterday, so I didn't get to see her to give her the protien mix, but I plan on going to see her in the hospital...Maybe I can help her...Not that I'm a nurse, I'm not, I just no the importance of protien and she admitted to not eating enough of it...At least while she's in the hospital maybe they'll run some much needed tests... Thanks Bipley.... RenaBipley <Bipley@...> wrote: Wow, she sure sounds like bypass, doesn't she? If she is a surgery patient she very likely knows protein requirements. If she is diabetic that will explain what you are seeing too. Really, all you can do is encourage her to see a doc for an eval. I hope she feels better. On 3/19/07, rena brown <rena71857 > wrote: Hi, I was just wondering about something and wondered if anyone

could shed some light on the subject... There is this lady who lives here in my hometown (she's around 37 years old)...Just 1 year ago she weighed 300 pounds this past year she lost 160 pounds and now weighes 140...Which is great! She looks wonderful at 1st glance! She claims to have lost it on her own with NO surgeries....Mmmmmm, can that be done? That is a lot of weight to lose with no help... As I stood talking to her I began to see she really looks awful...Her arms are just real bony and skinny...She admitted to me that she is real weak...I felt so sorry for her, she should be on cloud nine and running and walking but she can't do any of it...I asked if she was getting enough protien and she said probably not...So I'm taking her some of my Santrx 5.0 cookies & cream...I'm hoping she likes it so we can get her started on that... To give you an idea on how

weak she is she told me she couldn't even walk up the bleachers...Our bleachers are only about 10 steps high...That is so sad...I told her she need a complete phyiscal and more protien...She said she has already began taking vitiamins...What else should I tell her??? She lost the weight because she found out she is diabetic...I'm not sure she s being hinest about no surgeries...Which is ok but if she is having problems from some surgery she should call her doctor...She has 3 kids and I'd hate for her to lose her life... I'll see her today at 4:30 and hope I can talk her into seeing her family DR. Thanks everyone...Any help is appreciated...Rena Finding fabulous fares is fun.Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

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Rena,

All bypass patients need to take supplements to compensate the

malabsorbic part of the surgery. This is part of the " deal " with the

bypass; just like the fills are with the band. This is very

important. I think that the reason there are so many malnourished

bypass patients is because they do not follow the doctor's

instructions after surgery. If this lady is not having enough protein

and not taking her supplements it is no wonder why she is so weak.

She is starving her body.

Without the supplements they will not be healthy because the body

does not absorb all the nutrients the bypass patients eat.This is how

the surgeyr works. They cannot take a regular multiviatmin either ,

there are special vitmains made for bypass patients or they take

larger quantities (prescribed by the doctor) of regular supplements.

Without them they can become anemic, develop calcium deficiency, etc.

I believe that a patient needs to be commited to the surgery they

will have. If you have the bypass you need to have regular blood

work done, take supplements daily and follow the instructions the

doctor gives you. If you have the band you need to get your fills,

have your band checked under fluoro every so often, etc.

There is no " maintance free " solution for weight loss as of yet. This

is why the TOOL part is mentioned soooo many times when talking about

weight loss surgery.

All weight loss surgeries are meant to make the patient healthier

which includes thinner but not the other way around. Healthy

first,always first, it is clear in cases like the one you saw

yourself that the ladies 1st obejctive was thin and not healthy.

Maybe if you mention your surgery she will open up to you and you can

make suggestions directly. Just a thought...

Nina

Hi, I

was just wondering about something and wondered if anyone could shed

some light on the subject...

>

> There is this lady who lives here in my hometown (she's around 37

years old)...Just 1 year ago she weighed 300 pounds this past year

she lost 160 pounds and now weighes 140...Which is great! She looks

wonderful at 1st glance! She claims to have lost it on her own with

NO surgeries....Mmmmmm, can that be done? That is a lot of weight to

lose with no help...

>

> As I stood talking to her I began to see she really looks

awful...Her arms are just real bony and skinny...She admitted to me

that she is real weak...I felt so sorry for her, she should be on

cloud nine and running and walking but she can't do any of it...I

asked if she was getting enough protien and she said probably

not...So I'm taking her some of my Santrx 5.0 cookies & cream...I'm

hoping she likes it so we can get her started on that...

>

> To give you an idea on how weak she is she told me she couldn't

even walk up the bleachers...Our bleachers are only about 10 steps

high...That is so sad...I told her she need a complete phyiscal and

more protien...She said she has already began taking vitiamins...What

else should I tell her???

>

> She lost the weight because she found out she is diabetic...I'm

not sure she s being hinest about no surgeries...Which is ok but if

she is having problems from some surgery she should call her

doctor...She has 3 kids and I'd hate for her to lose her life...

>

> I'll see her today at 4:30 and hope I can talk her into seeing

her family DR.

>

> Thanks everyone...Any help is appreciated...Rena

>

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Thanks Nina, I have told her all about the lap band and how much I love getting it and how good I feel...But, she claims to have lost the 160 pounds on her own without any kind of surgery...I was wondering if this is even possiable? She has been over weight since she was in her teens and all of a sudden she loses 160lbs...I think she had surgery she just doesn't want anyone to know about it...And that is ok...That is her choice but she should be feeling good not lying in a hospital... I will talk to her and see if it will help... Thanks again, RenaNina <nina_eguia@...> wrote: Rena, All bypass patients need to take supplements to compensate the malabsorbic part of the surgery. This is part of the "deal" with the bypass; just like the fills are with the band. This is very important. I think that the reason there are so many malnourished bypass patients is because they do not follow the doctor's instructions after surgery. If this lady is not having enough protein and not taking her supplements it is no wonder why she is so weak. She is starving her body. Without the supplements they will not be healthy because the body does not absorb all the nutrients the bypass patients eat.This is how the surgeyr works. They cannot take a regular multiviatmin either , there are special vitmains made for bypass patients or they take larger

quantities (prescribed by the doctor) of regular supplements. Without them they can become anemic, develop calcium deficiency, etc. I believe that a patient needs to be commited to the surgery they will have. If you have the bypass you need to have regular blood work done, take supplements daily and follow the instructions the doctor gives you. If you have the band you need to get your fills, have your band checked under fluoro every so often, etc. There is no "maintance free" solution for weight loss as of yet. This is why the TOOL part is mentioned soooo many times when talking about weight loss surgery. All weight loss surgeries are meant to make the patient healthier which includes thinner but not the other way around. Healthy first,always first, it is clear in cases like the one you saw yourself that the ladies 1st obejctive was thin and not healthy. Maybe if you mention your surgery she will open

up to you and you can make suggestions directly. Just a thought...Nina Hi, I was just wondering about something and wondered if anyone could shed some light on the subject...> > There is this lady who lives here in my hometown (she's around 37 years old)...Just 1 year ago she weighed 300 pounds this past year she lost 160 pounds and now weighes 140...Which is great! She looks wonderful at 1st glance! She claims to have lost it on her own with NO surgeries....Mmmmmm, can that be done? That is a lot of weight to lose with no

help... > > As I stood talking to her I began to see she really looks awful...Her arms are just real bony and skinny...She admitted to me that she is real weak...I felt so sorry for her, she should be on cloud nine and running and walking but she can't do any of it...I asked if she was getting enough protien and she said probably not...So I'm taking her some of my Santrx 5.0 cookies & cream...I'm hoping she likes it so we can get her started on that...> > To give you an idea on how weak she is she told me she couldn't even walk up the bleachers...Our bleachers are only about 10 steps high...That is so sad...I told her she need a complete phyiscal and more protien...She said she has already began taking vitiamins...What else should I tell her??? > > She lost the weight because she found out she is diabetic...I'm not sure she s being hinest about no surgeries...Which

is ok but if she is having problems from some surgery she should call her doctor...She has 3 kids and I'd hate for her to lose her life... > > I'll see her today at 4:30 and hope I can talk her into seeing her family DR.> > Thanks everyone...Any help is appreciated...Rena > > > > ---------------------------------> Finding fabulous fares is fun.> Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut.>

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Thank you! I let you know how she is doing... RenaBipley <Bipley@...> wrote: Rena... I wonder if there have been any studies done regarding bypass patients and osteoporosis. I wonder if they experience this at a higher rate than the rest of the population. It would be interesting to see if there are differences. I hope your friend feels better soon. On 3/20/07, rena brown <rena71857 > wrote: Thanks Nina, I have told her all about the lap band and how much I love getting it and how good I feel...But, she claims to have lost the 160 pounds on her own without any kind of surgery...I was wondering if this is even possiable? She has been over weight since she was in her teens and all of a sudden she loses 160lbs...I think she had surgery she just doesn't want anyone to know about it...And that is ok...That is her choice but she should be feeling good not lying in a hospital... I will talk to her and see if it will help... Thanks again, RenaNina <nina_eguia > wrote: Rena, All bypass patients need to take supplements to compensate the malabsorbic part of the surgery. This is part of the "deal" with the bypass; just like the fills are with the band. This is very important. I think that the reason there are so many malnourished bypass patients is because they do not follow the doctor's instructions after surgery. If this lady is not having enough protein and not taking her supplements it is no wonder why she is so weak. She is starving her body. Without the supplements they will not be healthy because the body does not absorb all the nutrients the bypass patients eat.This is how the surgeyr works. They cannot take a regular multiviatmin either , there are special vitmains made for bypass patients or they take larger quantities

(prescribed by the doctor) of regular supplements. Without them they can become anemic, develop calcium deficiency, etc. I believe that a patient needs to be commited to the surgery they will have. If you have the bypass you need to have regular blood work done, take supplements daily and follow the instructions the doctor gives you. If you have the band you need to get your fills, have your band checked under fluoro every so often, etc. There is no "maintance free" solution for weight loss as of yet. This is why the TOOL part is mentioned soooo many times when talking about weight loss surgery. All weight loss surgeries are meant to make the patient healthier which includes thinner but not the other way around. Healthy first,always first, it is clear in cases like the one you saw yourself that the ladies 1st obejctive was thin and not healthy. Maybe if you mention your surgery she will open up to you

and you can make suggestions directly. Just a thought...Nina Hi, I was just wondering about something and wondered if anyone could shed some light on the subject...> > There is this lady who lives here in my hometown (she's around 37 years old)...Just 1 year ago she weighed 300 pounds this past year she lost 160 pounds and now weighes 140...Which is great! She looks wonderful at 1st glance! She claims to have lost it on her own with NO surgeries....Mmmmmm, can that be done? That is a lot of weight to lose with no

help... > > As I stood talking to her I began to see she really looks awful...Her arms are just real bony and skinny...She admitted to me that she is real weak...I felt so sorry for her, she should be on cloud nine and running and walking but she can't do any of it...I asked if she was getting enough protien and she said probably not...So I'm taking her some of my Santrx 5.0 cookies & cream...I'm hoping she likes it so we can get her started on that...> > To give you an idea on how weak she is she told me she couldn't even walk up the bleachers...Our bleachers are only about 10 steps high...That is so sad...I told her she need a complete phyiscal and more protien...She said she has already began taking vitiamins...What else should I tell her??? > > She lost the weight because she found out she is diabetic...I'm not sure she s being hinest about no surgeries...Which is

ok but if she is having problems from some surgery she should call her doctor...She has 3 kids and I'd hate for her to lose her life... > > I'll see her today at 4:30 and hope I can talk her into seeing her family DR.> > Thanks everyone...Any help is appreciated...Rena > > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun.> Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut.> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the

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Hi Rena, I was wondering if you could tell me where you get you protein drink "Santrx" ? P.S. You look great!Nina <nina_eguia@...> wrote: Rena, All bypass patients need to take supplements to compensate the malabsorbic part of the surgery. This is part of the "deal" with the bypass; just like the fills are with the band. This is very important. I think that the reason there are so many malnourished bypass patients is because they do not follow the doctor's instructions after

surgery. If this lady is not having enough protein and not taking her supplements it is no wonder why she is so weak. She is starving her body. Without the supplements they will not be healthy because the body does not absorb all the nutrients the bypass patients eat.This is how the surgeyr works. They cannot take a regular multiviatmin either , there are special vitmains made for bypass patients or they take larger quantities (prescribed by the doctor) of regular supplements. Without them they can become anemic, develop calcium deficiency, etc. I believe that a patient needs to be commited to the surgery they will have. If you have the bypass you need to have regular blood work done, take supplements daily and follow the instructions the doctor gives you. If you have the band you need to get your fills, have your band checked under fluoro every so often, etc. There is no "maintance free" solution for

weight loss as of yet. This is why the TOOL part is mentioned soooo many times when talking about weight loss surgery. All weight loss surgeries are meant to make the patient healthier which includes thinner but not the other way around. Healthy first,always first, it is clear in cases like the one you saw yourself that the ladies 1st obejctive was thin and not healthy. Maybe if you mention your surgery she will open up to you and you can make suggestions directly. Just a thought...Nina Hi, I was just wondering about something and

wondered if anyone could shed some light on the subject...> > There is this lady who lives here in my hometown (she's around 37 years old)...Just 1 year ago she weighed 300 pounds this past year she lost 160 pounds and now weighes 140...Which is great! She looks wonderful at 1st glance! She claims to have lost it on her own with NO surgeries....Mmmmmm, can that be done? That is a lot of weight to lose with no help... > > As I stood talking to her I began to see she really looks awful...Her arms are just real bony and skinny...She admitted to me that she is real weak...I felt so sorry for her, she should be on cloud nine and running and walking but she can't do any of it...I asked if she was getting enough protien and she said probably not...So I'm taking her some of my Santrx 5.0 cookies & cream...I'm hoping she likes it so we can get her started on that...> > To give you an

idea on how weak she is she told me she couldn't even walk up the bleachers...Our bleachers are only about 10 steps high...That is so sad...I told her she need a complete phyiscal and more protien...She said she has already began taking vitiamins...What else should I tell her??? > > She lost the weight because she found out she is diabetic...I'm not sure she s being hinest about no surgeries...Which is ok but if she is having problems from some surgery she should call her doctor...She has 3 kids and I'd hate for her to lose her life... > > I'll see her today at 4:30 and hope I can talk her into seeing her family DR.> > Thanks everyone...Any help is appreciated...Rena > > > > ---------------------------------> Finding fabulous fares is fun.> Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and

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Here you go: http://www.a1supplements.com/Matrix-5.0-5-Lbs.-p-2340.html (you may have to copy & paste in your web browser). The cookies & cream is very good as is the vanilla and chocolate...Thanks for the compliment, I feel great!DIANE URVINA <dlurvina@...> wrote: Hi Rena, I was wondering if you could tell me where you get you protein drink "Santrx" ? P.S. You look great!Nina <nina_eguia > wrote: Rena, All bypass patients need to take supplements to compensate the malabsorbic part of the surgery. This is part of the "deal" with the bypass; just like the fills are with the band. This is very important. I think that the reason there are so many malnourished bypass patients is because they do not follow the doctor's instructions after surgery. If this lady is not having enough protein and not taking her supplements it is no wonder why she is so weak. She is starving her body. Without the supplements they will not be healthy because the body does not absorb all the nutrients the bypass patients eat.This is how the surgeyr works. They cannot take a regular multiviatmin either , there are special vitmains made for bypass patients or they take larger quantities (prescribed by the doctor) of regular supplements. Without them

they can become anemic, develop calcium deficiency, etc. I believe that a patient needs to be commited to the surgery they will have. If you have the bypass you need to have regular blood work done, take supplements daily and follow the instructions the doctor gives you. If you have the band you need to get your fills, have your band checked under fluoro every so often, etc. There is no "maintance free" solution for weight loss as of yet. This is why the TOOL part is mentioned soooo many times when talking about weight loss surgery. All weight loss surgeries are meant to make the patient healthier which includes thinner but not the other way around. Healthy first,always first, it is clear in cases like the one you saw yourself that the ladies 1st obejctive was thin and not healthy. Maybe if you mention your surgery she will open up to you and you can make suggestions directly. Just a

thought...Nina Hi, I was just wondering about something and wondered if anyone could shed some light on the subject...> > There is this lady who lives here in my hometown (she's around 37 years old)...Just 1 year ago she weighed 300 pounds this past year she lost 160 pounds and now weighes 140...Which is great! She looks wonderful at 1st glance! She claims to have lost it on her own with NO surgeries....Mmmmmm, can that be done? That is a lot of weight to lose with no help... > > As I stood talking to her I began to

see she really looks awful...Her arms are just real bony and skinny...She admitted to me that she is real weak...I felt so sorry for her, she should be on cloud nine and running and walking but she can't do any of it...I asked if she was getting enough protien and she said probably not...So I'm taking her some of my Santrx 5.0 cookies & cream...I'm hoping she likes it so we can get her started on that...> > To give you an idea on how weak she is she told me she couldn't even walk up the bleachers...Our bleachers are only about 10 steps high...That is so sad...I told her she need a complete phyiscal and more protien...She said she has already began taking vitiamins...What else should I tell her??? > > She lost the weight because she found out she is diabetic...I'm not sure she s being hinest about no surgeries...Which is ok but if she is having problems from some surgery she

should call her doctor...She has 3 kids and I'd hate for her to lose her life... > > I'll see her today at 4:30 and hope I can talk her into seeing her family DR.> > Thanks everyone...Any help is appreciated...Rena > > > > ---------------------------------> Finding fabulous fares is fun.> Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut.> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.

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