Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 My partner and I both experienced excessively high hemoglobin when we first started using testosterone and nandrolone, and both needed frequent phlebotomies (removal of one unit of blood) for the first couple of years. Then our bodies seemed to adjust and our hemoglobins gradually returned to normal even though we continued the testosterone and nandrolone. The last several years we were on both medications, our hemoblogin was normal without any phlebotomies. >Re: Polycythemia (was PoWeR Ramp Cycle) > Posted by: " R. " johnrsf94114@... johnrsf94114 > Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT)) >Polycythemia also occurs in some long-term HIVers independent of >testosterone use. I have polycythemia and get phlobotomized every few >months. My >polycythemia did not improve when I went off testosterone for >several months, nor did it worsen when I started using Androgel again. My >HIV doctor >has a number of HIV+ patients with polycythemia, and theorizes >that our bodies are overcompensating to signals of fatigue by producing >more red blood >cells. Somehow, the normal regulatory process that would >stop production of red cells when their numbers get too high breaks down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I had it for a year back in the days of Crixivan and had to get phlebotomized (what a horrible word) twice. For some strange reason, it went away by itself. To read more: http://survivinghiv.blogspot.com/search?q=Polycythemia%2C+Anabolic+Steroids+and+HIV+Wasting+ In a message dated 7/14/2008 11:02:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, munkybizness37@... writes: Hey gang, has anyone on here had problems with rising H/H from long term test/deca use? Anyone had to have phlebotomy etc to keep your blood from being too thick without having to interupt your anabolics? Thanks Tim Lafayette LA Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Tim, I've experienced this problem but adjusted my nadralone before I needed phlebotomy. I went off nadralone comepletely for about 2 months. I still do my tetosterone replacement daily but reduced my nadralone to 100mg/2 weeks instead of 200. My Hct and Hgb are slightly elevated but not to dangerous levels. If they get too high it puts you at greater risk of a stroke. Hope this helps. Larry -------------- Original message -------------- From: tim pearce <munkybizness37@...> Hey gang, has anyone on here had problems with rising H/H from long term test/deca use? Anyone had to have phlebotomy etc to keep your blood from being too thick without having to interupt your anabolics? Thanks Tim Lafayette LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 "Anyone had to have phlebotomy etc to keep your blood from being too thick without having to interupt your anabolics?"This is not an uncommon problem. While there are those who say that hemoglobin and hematocrit levels are not linked, these are people who have never understood how a coulter-counter operates. The numbers are mathematically derived from the same data, and are not independent.Pay attention to this, a stroke is not a good thing.JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I've been on testosterone injections for about 2 years. In September I found I had polycythemia. That is, high red blood cell count, high hemoglobin and hematocrit. RDW (Red cell distribution width)was also high. These numbers were not astronomically high, but outside the normal range. The most obvious cause is my use of Testosterone. The immediate treatment was bloodletting, and they drained me of 20 oz of blood. The next month, the labs were better ( halfway back to normal range )but they drained off another 20 oz of blood. I go back in another month. I have benefited greatly from the HRT, but really don't like the idea of bloodletting every month. My plan is to go from the 1 mL, 200 mg injection every two weeks to .5 mL, 100 mg every week and then decrease the weekly amount very slowly, and see what happens. Do any of you know any treatment for polycythemia other than bloodletting and decreasing the amount of testosterone. Randy Hoops Springfield, MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 A low dose asprin every day & blood donation at the Red Cross every two months is the best help I can give. > > I've been on testosterone injections for about 2 years. > > In September I found I had polycythemia. That is, high red blood cell count, high hemoglobin and hematocrit. RDW (Red cell distribution width)was also high. > > These numbers were not astronomically high, but outside the normal range. > > The most obvious cause is my use of Testosterone. The immediate treatment was bloodletting, and they drained me of 20 oz of blood. > > The next month, the labs were better ( halfway back to normal range )but they drained off another 20 oz of blood. I go back in another month. > > I have benefited greatly from the HRT, but really don't like the idea of bloodletting every month. > > My plan is to go from the 1 mL, 200 mg injection every two weeks to .5 mL, 100 mg every week and then decrease the weekly amount very slowly, and see what happens. > > Do any of you know any treatment for polycythemia other than bloodletting and decreasing the amount of testosterone. > > Randy Hoops > Springfield, MO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 A lot one needs to know is to drink a lot of water at least 8 glass's a day if your Dehydrated when your do labs your blood will be thicker. Also like my Heart Dr. says everyone should take a baby aspirin one to two times a day. Doing your shots 200 mgs every 2 weeks is dam old and can add to the problem. Your doing a lot of T all at once and this is not used up most of it converts into Estradiol and can make your blood thicker. Best to do your shots like your thinking once a week better then this it to do them 2x's a week this will keep you more leveled off hold down Estradiol and can help with the blood problem. Make sure you have your Ferritin and Iron levels checked taking blood like this. Here are the labs I do every 8 weeks at Quest Labs. Estradiol sensitive Code #4021 Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X. Homocysteine (Caridioviasular) Code #31789X. Vit.D, 25-Hydroxy LC/MS/MS Code #17306X. TSH Free T4 Free T3 Total T3 Total T4 RT3 Total Iron Iron Binding Capacity Iron % Saturation Ferritin B-12 Co-Moderator Phil > From: k0cm <Randy@...> > Subject: Polycythemia > > Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:14 PM > I've been on testosterone injections > for about 2 years. > > In September I found I had polycythemia. That is, > high red blood cell count, high hemoglobin and > hematocrit. RDW (Red cell distribution width)was also > high. > > These numbers were not astronomically high, but outside the > normal range. > > The most obvious cause is my use of Testosterone. The > immediate treatment was bloodletting, and they drained me of > 20 oz of blood. > > The next month, the labs were better ( halfway back to > normal range )but they drained off another 20 oz of > blood. I go back in another month. > > I have benefited greatly from the HRT, but really don't > like the idea of bloodletting every month. > > My plan is to go from the 1 mL, 200 mg injection every two > weeks to .5 mL, 100 mg every week and then decrease the > weekly amount very slowly, and see what happens. > > Do any of you know any treatment for polycythemia other > than bloodletting and decreasing the amount of > testosterone. > > Randy Hoops > Springfield, MO > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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