New, with Questions

[Guest guest]

Hi Joy,

Total T4 is often falsely elevated, because this test measures both free

thyroid hormone and the binding proteins that transport thyroid hormone

through the blood. If the proteins are high, the total level will be high

even with a normal level of thyroid hormone. For this reason, the free T4

(FT4) is recommended for evaluating thyroid dysfunction. Estrogens and many

other meds cause T4 to be high because of the effects of thyroid hormone.

In general, TSH falls before thyroid hormone levels become abnormally high.

So if TSH is normal, it's unlikely that your T4 level is accurate. Hopefully

your doctor will order an FT4. You can find a page with symptoms on my web

site, http://daisyelaine_co.tripod.com/gravesdisease/ Take

care, Elaine

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

Thanks for the info. I don't know whether it was Total or Free T4

that was measured, I hope to get a copy of the test soon so I can

find out which was measured. Is it possible that a medication that

increases prolactin could also artificially increase T4?

I have a number of the symptoms you describe on your website. I know

this does not mean I have thyroid problems, but it is interesting

that the particular symptom cluster I have fits with hyperthyroid.

Is it possible to have subclinical hyperthyroid, i.e., abnormal for

me but not according to test results?

Thanks and take care,

-Joy

[Guest guest]

I am new here and I am so very confused and scared.

This is all new to me. I was diagnosed just recently with hyperthyroism. I

had the ultrasound neck scan and I had the nuclear neck scan and the blood

work.

My blood work was/is TSH.. 0.01 and my True Free T4 was/is 1.1

My Endo said that he thought I was hypo and went to hyper.

My Endo gave me 2 choices after he discussed it with another Dr.

One was RAI and the other surgery.

I chose the RAI. Now I don't know if I did the right thing. It is too late,

and there is nothing I can do about it now.

My left side isn't working at all and my right side has 2 nodules that are

working overtime. They tell me that the nodules shouldn't even be there. I am

so ignorant of this. I wish I had checked this all out further, before I had

the RAI. Some people say it is good, but more of them say don't do it. I am

so lost.

I had 12mci of iodine. I don't think it is a real large dose.

Let me know what you all think.

Thanks so much for reading this.

Betty

PS If your are expecting an answer from me, and you don't get it, please

email me back with a friendly reminder.

" To err is human; to forgive, divine. "

[Guest guest]

Hi. Is there anyone who has any info on the affects of Kombucha on skin

cancer? Thanks.

" I just got news a friend who has been

battling some skin cancer problems for a while now is ready to give up

on the docs.

So, I am wondering about the benefits of Kombucha on skin cancer

lesions? Has anyone any experience in this area? And I wonder if just

drinking the Kombucha alone is enough, or if one should put the KT on

the lesions, or even put some Scoby in them?

Thanks in advance! - Lael "

[Guest guest]

Cajun Ernie supplied me with a booklet with my mushroom that says Kombucha can

be used as a soak or applied topically. The mushroom can be blendered and turned

into a cream. Good Luck!

Blessings,

Rob

From: lael_shae <lael_shae@...>

Subject: Re: New, with questions

kombucha tea

Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 10:29 AM

Hi. Is there anyone who has any info on the affects of Kombucha on skin

cancer? Thanks.

" I just got news a friend who has been

battling some skin cancer problems for a while now is ready to give up

on the docs.

So, I am wondering about the benefits of Kombucha on skin cancer

lesions? Has anyone any experience in this area? And I wonder if just

drinking the Kombucha alone is enough, or if one should put the KT on

the lesions, or even put some Scoby in them?

Thanks in advance! - Lael "

[Guest guest]

Lael....there are a few articles in the files section to read...

kombucha tea/files/Cancer/

You can read the list of anecdotal remedies KY has been used for here:

kombucha tea/files/Kombucha%20Testimon\

ials/

I personally do not recall anyone on this list treating skin cancer with KT

You may want to input your keywords in the search box and see what you come

up with.

All my best to your friend....

Gayle

New, with questions

> Hello. First, thank you for including me here. I am very appreciative.

> I am new and have some questions. I ordered, but haven't yet received,

> my first Scoby.

>

> I plan on drinking my brew, but I just got news a friend who has been

> battling some skin cancer problems for a while now is ready to give up

> on the docs.

>

> So, I am wondering about the benefits of Kombucha on skin cancer

> lesions? Has anyone any experience in this area? And I wonder if just

> drinking the Kombucha alone is enough, or if one should put the KT on

> the lesions, or even put some Scoby in them?

>

> Thanks in advance! - Lael

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the info, Rob! Much appreciated. - Lael

Rob <revrobroberts@...> wrote:

Cajun Ernie supplied me with a booklet with my mushroom that says Kombucha can

be used as a soak or applied topically. The mushroom can be blendered and turned

into a cream. Good Luck!

Blessings,

Rob

[Guest guest]

Just Googled:-

" Skin cancer " +kombucha

Up came:-

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=428983

and

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/UnconventionalTherapies/KombuchaManchurianTeaMoGuF\

ungoJapon.htm

(Which Tinys down to *http://tinyurl.com/6nkkxp**http://tinyurl.com/6nkkxp*

and

several more in like vein

Good luck,

(UK)

->->->->->

lael_shae wrote:

> Hello. First, thank you for including me here. I am very appreciative. I am

new and have some questions. I ordered, but haven't yet received, my first

Scoby.

>

> <..............Snip...............>

>

> So, I am wondering about the benefits of Kombucha on skin cancer

> lesions? Has anyone any experience in this area? And I wonder if just drinking

the Kombucha alone is enough, or if one should put the KT on the lesions, or

even put some Scoby in them?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . The problem with just Googling is that often it hits on the ads

and stuff that are on the pages, and not real content--which was the case with

the first link you gave; and the second was a warning all together to avoid

Kombucha. Which is why I posted on here, hoping to perhaps speak personally to

someone who had experienced this. I do appreciate your trying to help, though.

Thanks.

Kane <brainnake@...> wrote:

Just Googled:-

" Skin cancer " +kombucha

Up came:-

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=428983

and

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/UnconventionalTherapies/KombuchaManchurianTeaMoGuF\

ungoJapon.htm

(Which Tinys down to *http://tinyurl.com/6nkkxp**http://tinyurl.com/6nkkxp*

and

several more in like vein

Good luck,

(UK)

[Guest guest]

Hello and welcome!  It could only help to apply it topically as well..in my

opinion.  I've used it topically for various skin conditions..psoriosis, cracked

feet, and excema on my feet and it's all helped.  Of course these aren't

anything in comparison to what your friend is going through, but I do have to

say..I put some KT on a cotton ball just one night and rubbed it on my feet and

then put socks on before I let my feet touch the floor..I had itching and some

bubbles from excema (sorry to gross you out:() but..in just one single night of

doing that..my itching was gone..it had been there for weeks, the bubbles had

dried up and my skin looked better...so that's just my experience.  Good luck

and God bless!

[Guest guest]

>

<< The problem with just Googling is that often it hits on the ads and

stuff that are on the pages, and not real content--which was the case

with the first link you gave; and the second was a warning all

together to avoid Kombucha.>>

Which probably means that there is no particular link between kombucha

and curing cancer, although I have no doubt that kt is good for you

whatever. Here is a list of things I have noted that nutrition and

alternative minded people on these lists have said they had personal

experience with using to treat cancer with positive results: freshly

ground flax seed (linseed), bentonite clay, psyllium, flaxseed oil and

cottage cheese, kefir cheese, quark (cultured cream cheese), Vitamin C

(4+ grams per day), clay cocktail, dandelion root, shark cartilage,

apricot pits, turmeric.

[Guest guest]

I just chatted with the happy herbalist on kombucha and cancers. He

said that there is a lot of research on acetic acid and gluconic acid

being used in cancer research. Acetic acid and gluconic acid are the

2 main ingredients of kombucha tea. Much of the research is on skin

cancers. So maybe putting the SCOBY directly on may be good, I don't

really know. But if you google [acetic gluconic and cancer a lot of

good stuff comes up]

He did say that for breast cancer - for those that need to reduce

their hormone levels - kombucha may not be good. The yeasts in

kombucha (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) are a human estrogen receptor.

Other factors that physician's worry about is the sugar, yeasts and

alcohol in kombucha. All signs that doctors may point to as being bad

in cancers. He did say that there are no known bad interactions and a

lot of contradictory reports. He said a lot of folks have told him

that they were cured by kombucha. I guess it depends upon the

individual. You can email him or call his toll free number.

www.happyherbalist.com

Seems there's always confusion on kombucha

Good luck to you

-

> " I just got news a friend who has been

> battling some skin cancer problems for a while now is ready to give

up

> on the docs.

>

> So, I am wondering about the benefits of Kombucha on skin cancer

> lesions? Has anyone any experience in this area? And I wonder if

just

> drinking the Kombucha alone is enough, or if one should put the KT

on

> the lesions, or even put some Scoby in them?

>

> Thanks in advance! - Lael "

>

[Guest guest]

Hi.

I'm a male, age 58. I've been chelating mercury with the Andy Cutler PhD program

most of 2009. I take ALA [alpha lipoic acid] every 2 to 3 hours round the clock

every Mon-Tues-Wed.

Because of chelating, I learned I needed to take HC [hydro cortisone] to help me

with the fatigue I got from redepositing mercury at the end of ALA rounds. I

take 30-40 mg of HC daily, in pill mostly but I do have HC 1% cream too.

I had saliva test earlier this year to check hormones and was fond to have low

testosterone, so I went to my MD and he prescribed T, which I give myself via

buttocks injection once a month.

Lately my scalp has gotten worse and I have some pimples on the back on my neck.

The back of my head itches sometimes and is scaly. I have lost hair and I'm not

sure why. Any advice with this would be appreciated. Mercury has created a long

standing GI dysbiosis and I have too much bad bacteria and not enough good bac

in my gut, but it will eventually improve as I chelate mercury. I take

probiotics and yogurt.

My diet is 80% organic, whole foods, no sugar, plenty of animal proteins (I'm a

blood type O+ non secretor), coconut oil, sea salt, pure water, regular

exercise. I am 6' tall, and weight 170 pounds. I take quite a few vitamins and

minerals, pancreatin, gelatin, and other things.

I don't take Armour thyroid any more. I was told to stop taking it because of

mow cortisol before I began HC. I did not do well with DHEA, even though I was a

little low on it.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

Your in the right place I just replyed to a post here is the link it's got

everything you need to kmow and some. When you get your Adrenals supported with

enough HC then go back on Armour starting with 60 mgs then in 2 weeks you will

fall back again so go up 15 mgs do this every 2 weeks until you reach 120 mgs

then hold this for 8 weeks then do labs. If your still not doing great add

15mgs more most people feel better when they get there Free T3 up near the top

of the range don't test your TSH anymore most Dr.'s get upset when on armour

this goes way down but this is what you want. TSH is the message telling your

Thyroid you need more so the lower it gets the better your doing.

Take your Temp. after being up 3 hrs then every 3hrs there after 3x's a day add

them up and div. by 3 this is your avg. if from day to day your temps go up or

down more then 2ths. your not supporting your adreanls and might need more HC

but don't do more the 30 mgs total a day.

/message/51333

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: joe525us <joe525us@...>

> Subject: New, with Questions

>

> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 8:33 AM

> Hi.

>

> I'm a male, age 58. I've been chelating mercury with the

> Andy Cutler PhD program most of 2009. I take ALA [alpha

> lipoic acid] every 2 to 3 hours round the clock every

> Mon-Tues-Wed.

>

> Because of chelating, I learned I needed to take HC [hydro

> cortisone] to help me with the fatigue I got from

> redepositing mercury at the end of ALA rounds. I take 30-40

> mg of HC daily, in pill mostly but I do have HC 1% cream

> too.

>

> I had saliva test earlier this year to check hormones and

> was fond to have low testosterone, so I went to my MD and he

> prescribed T, which I give myself via buttocks injection

> once a month.

>

> Lately my scalp has gotten worse and I have some pimples on

> the back on my neck. The back of  my head itches

> sometimes and is scaly. I have lost hair and I'm not sure

> why. Any advice with this would be appreciated. Mercury has

> created a long standing GI dysbiosis and I have too much bad

> bacteria and not enough good bac in my gut, but it will

> eventually improve as I chelate mercury. I take probiotics

> and yogurt.

>

> My diet is 80% organic, whole foods, no sugar, plenty of

> animal proteins (I'm a blood type O+ non secretor), coconut

> oil, sea salt, pure water, regular exercise. I am 6' tall,

> and weight 170 pounds. I take quite a few vitamins and

> minerals, pancreatin, gelatin, and other things.

>

> I don't take Armour thyroid any more. I was told to stop

> taking it because of mow cortisol before I began HC. I did

> not do well with DHEA, even though I was a little low on

> it.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure you will be ok taking that armour and if you get your adrenls

supported and go up slow on the armour you will do fine. You felt bad on it

before because your Cortisol levels were so low and the thyroid meds just built

up in your blood you did not have enough cortiol to carry it out of your blood

into your cells as this builds up in the blood it just makes you feel like crap.

In this link it's about how I got started treating my Adrenals and Thyrid read

this it's good.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24 & sid=de40b58c76083b708f2\

ae59c36837a31

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: joe525us <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: New, with Questions

>

> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 12:12 PM

> Hi Phil.

>

> Thank you for this info. It's good to be here. It's been

> hard to absorb any more info at times after all the books

> I've read and websites I've been to, but I realize I need to

> force myself to learn all I can. It's been long, gradual

> road to recovery of Hg toxicity.

>

> I found my Armour - what's left of a big bottle of 1000 65

> mg tablets that expired 06/08. There's probably a good 150

> tablets left.

>

> I never really got any benefit from taking Armour before. I

> took up to 6 tablets a day, and all it did was make my hands

> shaky. Hopefully this new dosing with HC will make a

> difference. Will give this a try. I just took 32 mg and will

> take the other half tab tonight.

>

> My Mom used to take thyroid meds - Synthroid I think.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Joe

>

>

> >

> > Hi Joe,

> >

> > Your in the right place I just replyed to a post here

> is the link it's got everything you need to kmow and

> some.  When you get your Adrenals supported with enough

> HC then go back on Armour starting with 60 mgs then in 2

> weeks you will fall back again so go up 15 mgs do this every

> 2 weeks until you reach 120 mgs then hold this for 8 weeks

> then do labs.  If your still not doing great add 15mgs

> more most people feel better when they get there Free T3 up

> near the top of the range don't test your TSH anymore most

> Dr.'s get upset when on armour this goes way down but this

> is what you want.  TSH is the message telling your

> Thyroid you need more so the lower it gets the better your

> doing.

> >

> > Take your Temp. after being up 3 hrs then every 3hrs

> there after 3x's a day add them up and div. by 3 this is

> your avg. if from day to day your temps go up or down more

> then 2ths. your not supporting your adreanls and might need

> more HC but don't do more the 30 mgs total a day.

> >

> > /message/51333

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am sure you will be ok taking that armour and if you get your adrenls

supported and go up slow on the armour you will do fine. You felt bad on it

before because your Cortisol levels were so low and the thyroid meds just built

up in your blood you did not have enough cortiol to carry it out of your blood

into your cells as this builds up in the blood it just makes you feel like crap.

In this link it's about how I got started treating my Adrenals and Thyrid read

this it's good.

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24 & sid=de40b58c76083b708f2\

ae59c36837a31

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

---------------------------

Thanks for this. I copied it to a folder on my PC for reference.

I found my Canary Club results from last December 29, 2008.

My Estradiol was 14 then [1-5 males age 50-85]

Progesterone was 189 [5-95 adult male]

Free Testosterone was 16 [35-65; males age 51-60]

------------------------------------------------------------

I was taking Progest-E most days back then. Do you think it would be a good idea

for me to resume Progest-E now? I was taking 2 drops rubbed into my gums.

Anyway, will continue to take a grain of Armour with daily HC. Last night I had

pleasant dreams, which might be a good sign for me.

I don't want to get too carried away with hormones but I do think Armour, HC,

and Testosterone are *very* important for me right now to help improve my mood

and get my whole body working the best it could with the aftermath of Hg

toxicity.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Joe Progesterone is not good for men ask Dr. or do a search about it at his

forum.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

You can't get good labs doing sex hormones with a Saliva test I only use it for

Cortisol test the ones you do 4x's in a day. Just forget about them labs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: joe525us <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: New, with Questions

>

> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 11:55 AM

>

> >

> > I am sure you will be ok taking that armour and if you

> get your adrenls supported and go up slow on the armour you

> will do fine.  You felt bad on it before because your

> Cortisol levels were so low and the thyroid meds just built

> up in your blood you did not have enough cortiol to carry it

> out of your blood into your cells as this builds up in the

> blood it just makes you feel like crap.  In this link

> it's about how I got started treating my Adrenals and Thyrid

> read this it's good.

> >

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24 & sid=de40b58c76083b708f2\

ae59c36837a31

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

> ---------------------------

>

> Thanks for this. I copied it to a folder on my PC for

> reference.

>

> I found my Canary Club results from last December 29,

> 2008.

>

> My Estradiol was 14 then [1-5 males age 50-85]

>

> Progesterone was 189 [5-95 adult male]

>

> Free Testosterone was 16 [35-65; males age 51-60]

> ------------------------------------------------------------

>

> I was taking Progest-E most days back then. Do you think it

> would be a good idea for me to resume Progest-E now? I was

> taking 2 drops rubbed into my gums.

>

> Anyway, will continue to take a grain of Armour with daily

> HC. Last night I had pleasant dreams, which might be a good

> sign for me.

> I don't want to get too carried away with hormones but I do

> think Armour, HC, and Testosterone are *very* important for

> me right now to help improve my mood and get my whole body

> working the best it could with the aftermath of Hg

> toxicity.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Joe Progesterone is not good for men ask Dr. or do a search about it at

his forum.

> http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> You can't get good labs doing sex hormones with a Saliva test I only use it

for Cortisol test the ones you do 4x's in a day. Just forget about them labs.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

-------------------------

Hi. You may be right about Progesterone but there was once a time a few years

ago when I developed BPH [benign Prostatic Hypertrphy] which caused me a lot of

pain, it felt like I had broken glass in my rectum for a few days, and in 24

hours, Progest-E removed 80% of that pain, and in 48 hours I was symptom free. I

presume that my Estrogen became out of balance and Progest-E seemed to quickly

lower it for me. I was quite glad to have had it on hand.

I know poeple that say Progesterone can cure anything and everything. Those

people are Lee PhD [ http://litalee.com ] and her friend Peat PhD [

http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/horm.html ]. I'm not saying they are right or wrong

because I realize that a Mercury Toxic person is a very unique person with

regard to hormones, minerals, etc.

The varied opinions really tend to make it more confusing though, but I have to

listen to both sides of things and somehow draw a conclusion.

I have a history of needing to take iron for 20+ years.

PS : The tests I had were the 4 part saliva tests done by Canary CLub, which is

popular and I presumed you'd recognize. Diagnos-Techs did the actual tests.

I posted the results at NTH NaturalThyroidHormones at and she told

me I'd need 30 to 40 mg of HC daily. the tests showed I was quite low in

Cortisol, and by my symptoms at the end of chelation rounds, I was very tired

after Mercury redeposited in my adrenals glands and stressed them even more than

they alreay were.

Joe

[Guest guest]

When your were doing Progesterone were you crying at sad moves this is what it

does to men it is a femanizing supplement.

I read a ton of 4x's in a day Salvia Cortisol from the Canary CLub I was a mod

at STTM forum for Adreanls and Thyroud I know Val. real well the test is only

good for the Cortiol levels the rest are not good for men you can't mesure sex

hormones in a man with saliva.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: joe525us <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: New, with Questions

>

> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 5:44 PM

>

> >

> > Joe Progesterone is not good for men ask Dr. or

> do a search about it at his forum.

> > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> > You can't get good labs doing sex hormones with a

> Saliva test I only use it for Cortisol test the ones you do

> 4x's in a day.  Just forget about them labs.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

> -------------------------

>

> Hi. You may be right about Progesterone but there was once

> a time a few years ago when I developed BPH [benign

> Prostatic Hypertrphy] which caused me a lot of pain, it felt

> like I had broken glass in my rectum for a few days, and in

> 24 hours, Progest-E removed 80% of that pain, and in 48

> hours I was symptom free. I presume that my Estrogen became

> out of balance and Progest-E seemed to quickly lower it for

> me. I was quite glad to have had it on hand.

>

> I know poeple that say Progesterone can cure anything and

> everything. Those people are Lee PhD [ http://litalee.com ] and her

friend Peat PhD [

> http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/horm.html ].

> I'm not saying they are right or wrong because I realize

> that a Mercury Toxic person is a very unique person with

> regard to hormones, minerals, etc.

>

> The varied opinions really tend to make it more confusing

> though, but I have to listen to both sides of things and

> somehow draw a conclusion.

>

> I have a history of needing to take iron for 20+ years.

>

> PS : The tests I had were the 4 part saliva tests done by

> Canary CLub, which is popular and I presumed you'd

> recognize. Diagnos-Techs did the actual tests.

> I posted the results at NTH NaturalThyroidHormones at

> Groups and she told me I'd need 30 to 40 mg of HC daily. the

> tests showed I was quite low in Cortisol, and by my symptoms

> at the end of chelation rounds, I was very tired after

> Mercury redeposited in my adrenals glands and stressed them

> even more than they alreay were.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> When your were doing Progesterone were you crying at sad moves this is what it

does to men it is a femanizing supplement.

>

> I read a ton of 4x's in a day Salvia Cortisol from the Canary CLub I was a mod

at STTM forum for Adreanls and Thyroud I know Val. real well the test is only

good for the Cortiol levels the rest are not good for men you can't mesure sex

hormones in a man with saliva.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> ---

I wasn't crying at sad movies. I haven't been able to focus on movies in years

but I'm beginning to be able to thanks to chelating Hg. I seem to be able to

focus on old Westerns now - at least understand the plot. Before I was too

anxious or something - just could not concentrate.

Progest-E may cause some or many men to cry at movies but it never reacted that

way with me.

What type of tests do you recommend for men? My holistic MDs have been very

helpful, so if I go to them and ask for new tests they will probably let me run

them.

Sorry to ask so many questions. If I read the posts for a while I'll probably

find out.

Joe

[Guest guest]

I have a list I made at my men's only thyroid forum add to this list Total T3 &

T4.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: joe525us <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: New, with Questions

>

> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 8:21 PM

>

> >

> > When your were doing Progesterone were you crying at

> sad moves this is what it does to men it is a femanizing

> supplement.

> >

> > I read a ton of 4x's in a day Salvia Cortisol from the

> Canary CLub I was a mod at STTM forum for Adreanls and

> Thyroud I know Val. real well the test is only good for the

> Cortiol levels the rest are not good for men you can't

> mesure sex hormones in a man with saliva.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

> > ---

>

> I wasn't crying at sad movies. I haven't been able to focus

> on movies in years but I'm beginning to be able to thanks to

> chelating Hg. I seem to be able to focus on old Westerns now

> - at least understand the plot. Before I was too anxious or

> something - just could not concentrate.

> Progest-E may cause some or many men to cry at movies but

> it never reacted that way with me.

>

> What type of tests do you recommend for men? My holistic

> MDs have been very helpful, so if I go to them and ask for

> new tests they will probably let me run them.

>

> Sorry to ask so many questions. If I read the posts for a

> while I'll probably find out.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have an appt. with my primary doc(not a DO) 8/28 to address my cholesterol

situation. I will pass this list by him. I already know the answer. There is an

internist in the physicians database that is somewhat close to me and takes my

insurance. I will get a refferal to see him. He's a better shot. I think the

average primary doc is shell shocked. got the 1000 yard stare if you ask them

anything other than cholesterol or the common cold.

Someone here said something to the effect, " it's easier to get answers on organ

transplant " . What is it with the hormones?

> > >

> > > When your were doing Progesterone were you crying at

> > sad moves this is what it does to men it is a femanizing

> > supplement.

> > >

> > > I read a ton of 4x's in a day Salvia Cortisol from the

> > Canary CLub I was a mod at STTM forum for Adreanls and

> > Thyroud I know Val. real well the test is only good for the

> > Cortiol levels the rest are not good for men you can't

> > mesure sex hormones in a man with saliva.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > > ---

> >

> > I wasn't crying at sad movies. I haven't been able to focus

> > on movies in years but I'm beginning to be able to thanks to

> > chelating Hg. I seem to be able to focus on old Westerns now

> > - at least understand the plot. Before I was too anxious or

> > something - just could not concentrate.

> > Progest-E may cause some or many men to cry at movies but

> > it never reacted that way with me.

> >

> > What type of tests do you recommend for men? My holistic

> > MDs have been very helpful, so if I go to them and ask for

> > new tests they will probably let me run them.

> >

> > Sorry to ask so many questions. If I read the posts for a

> > while I'll probably find out.

> >

> > Joe

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is a dam shame Dr.'s are afraid to give one TRT because it's a I think class

2 drug. They will Fuc* your up on SSRI meds first and they know nothing about

the use of them. They hand this out like candy and you can kill your self on

them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: virtuosa150 <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: New, with Questions

>

> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 12:30 PM

> I have an appt. with my primary

> doc(not a DO) 8/28 to address my cholesterol situation. I

> will pass this list by him. I already know the answer. There

> is an internist in the physicians database that is somewhat

> close to me and takes my insurance. I will get a refferal to

> see him. He's a better shot. I think the average primary doc

> is shell shocked. got the 1000 yard stare if you ask them

> anything other than cholesterol or the common cold.

>

> Someone here said something to the effect, " it's easier to

> get answers on organ transplant " . What is it with the

> hormones?

>

>

> > > >

> > > > When your were doing Progesterone were you

> crying at

> > > sad moves this is what it does to men it is a

> femanizing

> > > supplement.

> > > >

> > > > I read a ton of 4x's in a day Salvia

> Cortisol from the

> > > Canary CLub I was a mod at STTM forum for

> Adreanls and

> > > Thyroud I know Val. real well the test is only

> good for the

> > > Cortiol levels the rest are not good for men you

> can't

> > > mesure sex hormones in a man with saliva.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > >

> > > I wasn't crying at sad movies. I haven't been

> able to focus

> > > on movies in years but I'm beginning to be able

> to thanks to

> > > chelating Hg. I seem to be able to focus on old

> Westerns now

> > > - at least understand the plot. Before I was too

> anxious or

> > > something - just could not concentrate.

> > > Progest-E may cause some or many men to cry at

> movies but

> > > it never reacted that way with me.

> > >

> > > What type of tests do you recommend for men? My

> holistic

> > > MDs have been very helpful, so if I go to them

> and ask for

> > > new tests they will probably let me run them.

> > >

> > > Sorry to ask so many questions. If I read the

> posts for a

> > > while I'll probably find out.

> > >

> > > Joe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >