Re: Primary Hypogandism Gynecomastia

December 14, 2007

Hi big_boy1stunna I do not think you were born with this did you go through

puberty ok. Some questions how do you feel before going on the testim. How is

your sex life do you still have morning and night time wood.

You can apply Gels like Androgel and Testis any time just try to put it on at

the same time give or take an hour.

Can you post your labs with the ranges and units I would like to see if your

Dr. did all the testing he could do before he told you your primary meaning your

testis don't work.

Also if you started on a low does of testim say 5 grams or 1 tube you need to

retest in 2 weeks. I say this because when your brain sees the added

testosterone it will stop sending the messages to your testis to make

testosterone. So if your levels were say 300 and the testim only gets you up to

200 then your going to feel better at first becasue your levels will be 500 then

your testis stop and you drop back lower then the 300 and you can end up at 200

making you feel worse. Most men do better at higher doses like 10 grams. And

some men the gel does not get through the skin and you feel worse.

On your next test you need to have your Estradiol " E2 " tested because going on

TRT the testosterone can convert into Estradiol and if this gets to high it

undoes all the good the testosterone does.

Here is a good like that states you need to get your Total and Free

Testosterone levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range for a young man.

And to keep your Estradiol down between 10 to 30 best at 20 pg/ml some do good

at higher levels like 40.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Also read this it's the AACE Guildlines.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Any thing you need just ask.

As for the Gynecomastia if it's breast tissue you need it removed and if your

don't keep your estradiol down it will come back. Being on TRT you will feel

better and can get some exercise and lose weight. I would try this and see if

it goes away.

big_boy1stunna <no_reply > wrote:

I was recently dianosed with primary hypogonadism. My DR. said I was

born with this condition. I am now 21 yrs old and have recently started

TRT. I apply testim once daily. Normally since I wake up at between

1:00pm and 3:00pm, I normally take my bath and reapply before 3:00p.m I

was wondering if I need to wake up earlier to apply? Also I have

gynecomastia on my right nipple section. My Dr. said that the only way

to get rid of it is to lose weight or surgery. I'm not that overweight

I'm 6/3 way about 255. Is there any other way I can get rid of it? I've

been on TRT about 3 months I had skipped one day in first month but

been takening it regularly. Haven't notice any improvements yet?

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December 14, 2007

I was born with it never been through puberty. My testosterone was 33

my LH=0.5 AND FSH=0.7.Inhibin B was 33.7ml. I see I was suppose to have

my T rechecked after a month on Testim my Dr. hasn't mentioned anything

about so I will get him to recheck it.I will problemly be another month

from now as I am not insured and have to pay for all up front.

Idiopathic Hypogonadotropic Hypogonadism is what I dianosed as having.

Also as for morniing wood really can't say about the same as before

maybe a little better but not a significant increase.Maybe when I was

first taking it. My symptoms were extremely sensative,

depression,weak,and easily irritated . I'm sure I had more just

couldn't think of them all.

December 14, 2007

No to me it looks like a pituitary problem have you had an MRI on it. Have you

had your Cortisol and Thyroid levels checked. I have Hypopituitary Problems and

my Adrenals don't get the message to work, alos my Thyroid and Testis. You

sound like you have the same problem. I am talking to a women about her son his

MRI showed his Pituitary is very small did not develop. When your tested and

your testosterone is low and your LH and FSH is also low this is a pituitary

problem not a testis problem.

You would do much better later when your levels come up and your stable to add

in HCG this will get your testis working again. It's not a problem the

treatment is the same go on Testosterone and if your adrenals don't work go on

Cortef same for your thyroid go on Armour.

But one thing at a time.