Re: Testosterone Enanthate in BNF & on NHS

[Guest guest]

I noticed this entry also. Note the spelling.

I have no opinion about whether this medication would be useful for

Chris. 250mg amps don't seem to be convenient for his needs.

Brad

>

> Hi Chris

>

> Just been to 2006 BNF and extracted this for T Enanthate:

>

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> Home > British National Formulary > 6 Endocrine system > 6.4 Sex

> hormones >

> 6.4.2 Male sex hormones and antagonists > TESTOSTERONE AND ESTERS >

> Intramuscular

> Testosterone Enantate(Cambridge)

> {PRIVATE " TYPE=PICT;ALT=Prescription-only medicine " }

> Injection (oily), testosterone enantate 250 mg/mL. Net price 1-mL

> amp = £8.33

> Dose

> By slow intramuscular injection, hypogonadism, initially 250 mg

> every 2-3 weeks;

> maintenance 250 mg every 3-6 weeks

> Breast cancer, 250 mg every 2-3 weeks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes

hypogonadism, initially 250 mg every 2-3 weeks;

maintenance 250 mg every 3-6 weeks

Which means most doctors will not change that protocol. Which means

it is useless!!!

In fact most endocrinologists wont even give you a change of

treatment at all anyway. As soon as you say the treatment isn't

working so good they start talking about treatment removal or re-

evaluating the HPTA and coming off for 3 months, which amounts to

the same thing of trying to take you off treatment and then keep you

off.

If you are lucky enough that you are given a differing treatment and

that does not work, at that point because you have not been well on

two differing methods of replacement they give up and you and go

back to the treatmenbt removal/re-evaluation argument.

I have asked for ethanate at 100mg per week and was refused point

blank. That is how I ended up on proprionate and I have also been

refused arimidex on the NHS point blank- despite being twice the

reference range.

What I am offered to lower E2 is removal of testosterone- which is a

joke and it doesn't work either.

I don't know how you don't know these facts?

Phil from the UK who you mail mentioned the problems he had on

Nebido and the endocrinologist was talking about removal of TRT

altogether and it was only when he argued his case that he managed

to get them to try him on a gel.

He was fortunate to get that far. Fact of the matter is the

treatment in the UK is a sick joke! If you have a few meds that

don't work out the doctor blames the patient and removal of

treatment is suggested.

Take one look at this US forum and then one look at the UK forum.

Mostly people are happy here. In the UK it is almost the complete

reverse. Why would it be like that if everything was ok? After all

it is a similar set of people right?

The UK board is a board of woe (of people contemplating coming off

treatment, who can't get their doctor to test for E2 never mind

treat it etc) and a board that virtually no one posts on anymore-

A dead board for a dead health care system, where people who are not

boarderline are treated as though they are as a justification for

inadequate/to no treatment.

If I see upset it is because I feel I am left to rot.

I can't even argue the realties with doctors anymore because I

cannot trust them enough to speak the truth with them. The

possibility of them removing treatment without any bother for its

effects on health is too great.

So I even have to censor myself.

If I was in the US I know for a fact A) I would not be regarded as

borderline, I would be treated and respected to a degree, C) I

would be trialed on various treatments to see what works D) I would

be treated with HCG, HGH and or aromatase inhibitors should any of

them seem warranted.

My doctors don't think estrogen exists in men, they can't find

arimidex in the BNF and have never heard of it even though it has

been used for years and is in there (they are so incompetent they

can't even search a fucking alphabet). One doesn't think testicular

size can change on the basis of the HPTA. None will test for

estrogen, all think that testosterone levels around 250ng/dl are

absolutely fine. All refuse to conduct a free testosterone test and

instead rely on the outdated methodologically unsound FAI. One

didn't know that testosterone is produced in the testicles but

thought it came from the adrenals. All of them treat not on the

basis of low testosterone but on th basis of elevated or suppressed

gonadotropins because they incorrectly think that normal LH in the

setting of low testosterone indicates all is well. None of them

think that gynecomastia has anything to do with hormones etc etc

Every single appointment has involved me educating them and them

ignorantly and arrogantly mistreating me.

I have even been asked by my doctor if I have ever been interested

in bodybuilding. I said NO. And she said I wonder why you have

this problem then....as though bodybuilding is the sole cause of

hypogoandism. I was suspected of being some drug abuser simple

because I have low testosterone. The fact I had an undedcended

testicle, liver cancer and chemotherapy obvously completely escaped

them.

Oh yea and I even had one endocrinologist who argued that I couldn't

have low testosterone as it was not indicated from my past medicat

history. This was after my testosterone level was shown to be

quote " sub-normal " . That is like arguing that your house cannot be

burning to the ground instead of saving it on the basis that you

didn't leave a cigarette burning or leave the oven on.

Sorry but that is how it is, not just for me but for the vast

majority of men with lowish testosterone levels in the UK :(

>

> > Via the NHS there is the cheap mix of Sustanon 100 or Sustanon

250

> > and there is virormone/testosterone proprionate.

> >

> > Ethanate is not in the BNF as far as I am aware and the

protocols in

> > the NHS are strict, which means even if there was and it was a

high

> > dose- you could still not get 100mg per week.

> >

> > Unless your consultant was willing to prescribe off label/ignore

the

> > protocols and the BNF.

> >

> > Because my case has always been treated as borderline (it isn't

> > remotely borderline in reality) I have had nothing but

> > endocrinologists shit on me, certainly not help me with off

label

> > medication.

> >

> > If you are borderline in the UK you get treated like complete

shit.

> > I know this because I have had two years of absolute hell and

many

> > other men have faced the same.

> >

> > I am treated borderline but my testosterone ratio off treatment

is 3-

> > 1. Shippen talks about old men getting as bad as 8 or 7-1 and I

am

> > 3-1, am 31 years old and treated like a complete twat.

> >

> > E2 70pg/ml off treatment for three months taking no androgens!!

> >

> > testosterone between 158ng/dl - 259ng/dl

> >

> >

> > I would put money on it that there isn't a single bloke on this

site

> > with E2 that high off treatment.

> >

> > But can I get arimidex on the NHS, can I get a flexible

> > endocrinologist willing to listen sooth my fucking soul by

actually

> > treating me with compassion like a human being- NO!!

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Brad, Chris

Yes, a typo by me.

Of course the 1ml (250mg) is a problem if a smaller dosage is required as I

wrote yesterday.

wrote on 22nd May 2006:

" " " I agree that as Enanthate is sold in UK as 250mg you may have to discuss the

matter with

your prescriber so as to get new vials but as you have a liver medical

history and are wishing to ensure minimum dosage needed then that would appear

very reasonable. " " "

However, as as a very special require due to a help problem of liver which

is known to

be a problem with some patients requiring TRT I would expect a consultant to be

willing to

prescribe the 1ml at ca £8/Ml for him to take a smaller dosage and for him to

try and get

better. Some medicines are much more expensive that this and provided.

__________________________

Hi Chris

I don't think your statement about ENanthate and NHS is correct. I had

enanthate prescribed

for years and the dosage was a matter discussed with hospital consultant.

In my case I

needed high dose as 250mg did not work. However, when the liquid is

injected it is only you

who decides. ENanthate is quite cheap - I know you own a copy of the BNF

so you will have

the recent price range. I discussed dosage and frequency with people like

Professor Mike

Besser and Professor Wass and senior registrars during the 1990s and

as one

example professor Besser said clearly some people need a dose every 1 or 2

weeks where

others seem to feel best once a month. We do not know why and so we

prescribe on a

patient basis - That comment was 1995 with Enanthate.

I agree that as Enanthate is sold in UK as 250mg you may have to discuss

the matter with

your prescriber so as to get new vials but as you have a liver medical

history and are

wishing to ensure minimum dosage needed then that would appear very

reasonable. If your

surgeon would write to your GP rather than refer you to another consultant

that would be

best for you as he has already said you need treatment and agreed your

liver is " well

enough " to cope " .

Hope this helps?

On 23 May 2006 at 13:25, brad999us wrote:

> I noticed this entry also. Note the spelling.

> I have no opinion about whether this medication would be useful for

> Chris. 250mg amps don't seem to be convenient for his needs.

>

> Brad

>

>

> >

> > Hi Chris

> >

> > Just been to 2006 BNF and extracted this for T Enanthate:

> >

> > Previous | Next » Return to search | Hide highlighting

> > Home > British National Formulary > 6 Endocrine system > 6.4 Sex

> > hormones >

> > 6.4.2 Male sex hormones and antagonists > TESTOSTERONE AND ESTERS >

> > Intramuscular

> > Testosterone Enantate(Cambridge)

> > {PRIVATE " TYPE=PICT;ALT=Prescription-only medicine " }

> > Injection (oily), testosterone enantate 250 mg/mL. Net price 1-mL

> > amp = £8.33

> > Dose

> > By slow intramuscular injection, hypogonadism, initially 250 mg

> > every 2-3 weeks;

> > maintenance 250 mg every 3-6 weeks

> > Breast cancer, 250 mg every 2-3 weeks

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I accessed the bnf via the website. The spelling there omits the " h " .

Brad

>

> Hi Brad, Chris

>

> Yes, a typo by me.

>

> Of course the 1ml (250mg) is a problem if a smaller dosage is

> required as I wrote yesterday.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Brad

Yes I said a typo by me :-)

_________________________________

>

> Hi Brad, Chris

>

> Yes, a typo by me.

>

__________________________

Although I buy copies of the BNF etc I too access the BNF and dale online

to save

time and to be more easily able to quote abstracts in correspondence.

I wonder if elsewhere if this ester is sold in smaller quantities as if it is

licensed for use in UK

then a product with different amounts could well be prescribe and imported to UK

I would

think, yes?

Kind regards,

On 23 May 2006 at 14:32, brad999us wrote:

> I accessed the bnf via the website. The spelling there omits the " h " .

> Brad

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Brad, Chris

> >

> > Yes, a typo by me.

> >

> > Of course the 1ml (250mg) is a problem if a smaller dosage is

> > required as I wrote yesterday.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

has located the entry we were discussing which was my only

concern regarding spelling.

The drug is marketed in the US as Delatestryl. I don't think it is

all that popular here for cost reasons. It is supplied as 200mg/ml in

a 5ml multidose vial.

I have no idea of what is permitted or required by the UK for

prescribing or importing drugs.

Brad

>

> Hi Brad

>

> Yes I said a typo by me :-)

> _________________________________

> >

> > Hi Brad, Chris

> >

> > Yes, a typo by me.

> >

> __________________________

>

>

> Although I buy copies of the BNF etc I too access the BNF and

dale online to save

> time and to be more easily able to quote abstracts in correspondence.

>

> I wonder if elsewhere if this ester is sold in smaller quantities as

if it is licensed for use in UK

> then a product with different amounts could well be prescribe and

imported to UK I would

> think, yes?

>

> Kind regards,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

I know we have both suffered from very bad experience and I have met similar

types you

describe. However, I must state as this is the whole;e point of this list and

group:

My very first discussion with just a senior registrar and senior lecture but not

a consultant in

regard to this injection was to have " double the stated dosage " as for the last

6 years I had

been prescribed TRT elsewhere and this had not worked at varying dosages. The

BNF is a

guide-line. Teaching hospitals are empowered to prescribe as they feel is

medically needed.

So some women at the same hospital have the Testogel prescribed and they use

parts of

the sachet as it would be too much for such a male-dosage.

Peace

On 23 May 2006 at 13:40, chis_az wrote:

> Yes

>

> hypogonadism, initially 250 mg every 2-3 weeks;

> maintenance 250 mg every 3-6 weeks

>

> Which means most doctors will not change that protocol. Which means

> it is useless!!!

>

> In fact most endocrinologists wont even give you a change of

> treatment at all anyway. As soon as you say the treatment isn't

> working so good they start talking about treatment removal or re-

> evaluating the HPTA and coming off for 3 months, which amounts to

> the same thing of trying to take you off treatment and then keep you

> off.

>

> If you are lucky enough that you are given a differing treatment and

> that does not work, at that point because you have not been well on

> two differing methods of replacement they give up and you and go

> back to the treatmenbt removal/re-evaluation argument.

>

> I have asked for ethanate at 100mg per week and was refused point

> blank. That is how I ended up on proprionate and I have also been

> refused arimidex on the NHS point blank- despite being twice the

> reference range.

>

> What I am offered to lower E2 is removal of testosterone- which is a

> joke and it doesn't work either.

>

> I don't know how you don't know these facts?

>

> Phil from the UK who you mail mentioned the problems he had on

> Nebido and the endocrinologist was talking about removal of TRT

> altogether and it was only when he argued his case that he managed

> to get them to try him on a gel.

>

> He was fortunate to get that far. Fact of the matter is the

> treatment in the UK is a sick joke! If you have a few meds that

> don't work out the doctor blames the patient and removal of

> treatment is suggested.

>

> Take one look at this US forum and then one look at the UK forum.

> Mostly people are happy here. In the UK it is almost the complete

> reverse. Why would it be like that if everything was ok? After all

> it is a similar set of people right?

>

> The UK board is a board of woe (of people contemplating coming off

> treatment, who can't get their doctor to test for E2 never mind

> treat it etc) and a board that virtually no one posts on anymore-

>

> A dead board for a dead health care system, where people who are not

> boarderline are treated as though they are as a justification for

> inadequate/to no treatment.

>

> If I see upset it is because I feel I am left to rot.

>

> I can't even argue the realties with doctors anymore because I

> cannot trust them enough to speak the truth with them. The

> possibility of them removing treatment without any bother for its

> effects on health is too great.

>

> So I even have to censor myself.

>

> If I was in the US I know for a fact A) I would not be regarded as

> borderline, I would be treated and respected to a degree, C) I

> would be trialed on various treatments to see what works D) I would

> be treated with HCG, HGH and or aromatase inhibitors should any of

> them seem warranted.

>

> My doctors don't think estrogen exists in men, they can't find

> arimidex in the BNF and have never heard of it even though it has

> been used for years and is in there (they are so incompetent they

> can't even search a fucking alphabet). One doesn't think testicular

> size can change on the basis of the HPTA. None will test for

> estrogen, all think that testosterone levels around 250ng/dl are

> absolutely fine. All refuse to conduct a free testosterone test and

> instead rely on the outdated methodologically unsound FAI. One

> didn't know that testosterone is produced in the testicles but

> thought it came from the adrenals. All of them treat not on the

> basis of low testosterone but on th basis of elevated or suppressed

> gonadotropins because they incorrectly think that normal LH in the

> setting of low testosterone indicates all is well. None of them

> think that gynecomastia has anything to do with hormones etc etc

>

> Every single appointment has involved me educating them and them

> ignorantly and arrogantly mistreating me.

>

> I have even been asked by my doctor if I have ever been interested

> in bodybuilding. I said NO. And she said I wonder why you have

> this problem then....as though bodybuilding is the sole cause of

> hypogoandism. I was suspected of being some drug abuser simple

> because I have low testosterone. The fact I had an undedcended

> testicle, liver cancer and chemotherapy obvously completely escaped

> them.

>

> Oh yea and I even had one endocrinologist who argued that I couldn't

> have low testosterone as it was not indicated from my past medicat

> history. This was after my testosterone level was shown to be

> quote " sub-normal " . That is like arguing that your house cannot be

> burning to the ground instead of saving it on the basis that you

> didn't leave a cigarette burning or leave the oven on.

>

>

> Sorry but that is how it is, not just for me but for the vast

> majority of men with lowish testosterone levels in the UK :(

>

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> > > Via the NHS there is the cheap mix of Sustanon 100 or Sustanon

> 250

> > > and there is virormone/testosterone proprionate.

> > >

> > > Ethanate is not in the BNF as far as I am aware and the

> protocols in

> > > the NHS are strict, which means even if there was and it was a

> high

> > > dose- you could still not get 100mg per week.

> > >

> > > Unless your consultant was willing to prescribe off label/ignore

> the

> > > protocols and the BNF.

> > >

> > > Because my case has always been treated as borderline (it isn't

> > > remotely borderline in reality) I have had nothing but

> > > endocrinologists shit on me, certainly not help me with off

> label

> > > medication.

> > >

> > > If you are borderline in the UK you get treated like complete

> shit.

> > > I know this because I have had two years of absolute hell and

> many

> > > other men have faced the same.

> > >

> > > I am treated borderline but my testosterone ratio off treatment

> is 3-

> > > 1. Shippen talks about old men getting as bad as 8 or 7-1 and I

> am

> > > 3-1, am 31 years old and treated like a complete twat.

> > >

> > > E2 70pg/ml off treatment for three months taking no androgens!!

> > >

> > > testosterone between 158ng/dl - 259ng/dl

> > >

> > >

> > > I would put money on it that there isn't a single bloke on this

> site

> > > with E2 that high off treatment.

> > >

> > > But can I get arimidex on the NHS, can I get a flexible

> > > endocrinologist willing to listen sooth my fucking soul by

> actually

> > > treating me with compassion like a human being- NO!!

> >

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[Guest guest]

I have been to see three differing endocrinologists in three

differing hospitals and two people privately at two other locations

in the space of two years.

Nothing has worked out.

No matter how much knowledge I have, I have ran out of money and am

back at the start with the NHS and the very first consultant ever

had.

A) I wouldn't get to Barts because I would not be referred there,

even if I was they would want to take me off TRT for three months

again, C) I would have the risk of them pulling TRT altogether, D)

they would be highly unlikely to offer anti aromatase meds, E) they

would never offer HCG or HGH even if it was indicated. F) I doubt

they would do more in-depth testing than I have to try and find an

answer) G) they would probably not off ethanate at 100mgs per week.

So how does any information relating to Barts help?

I am being institutionally shafted. And there is nothing to suggest

that I wouldn't get just as shafted at Barts given we both know

people who have been on the end of similar treatment there as what I

am getting where I am.

> > >

> > > > Via the NHS there is the cheap mix of Sustanon 100 or

Sustanon

> > 250

> > > > and there is virormone/testosterone proprionate.

> > > >

> > > > Ethanate is not in the BNF as far as I am aware and the

> > protocols in

> > > > the NHS are strict, which means even if there was and it was

a

> > high

> > > > dose- you could still not get 100mg per week.

> > > >

> > > > Unless your consultant was willing to prescribe off

label/ignore

> > the

> > > > protocols and the BNF.

> > > >

> > > > Because my case has always been treated as borderline (it

isn't

> > > > remotely borderline in reality) I have had nothing but

> > > > endocrinologists shit on me, certainly not help me with off

> > label

> > > > medication.

> > > >

> > > > If you are borderline in the UK you get treated like

complete

> > shit.

> > > > I know this because I have had two years of absolute hell

and

> > many

> > > > other men have faced the same.

> > > >

> > > > I am treated borderline but my testosterone ratio off

treatment

> > is 3-

> > > > 1. Shippen talks about old men getting as bad as 8 or 7-1

and I

> > am

> > > > 3-1, am 31 years old and treated like a complete twat.

> > > >

> > > > E2 70pg/ml off treatment for three months taking no

androgens!!

> > > >

> > > > testosterone between 158ng/dl - 259ng/dl

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I would put money on it that there isn't a single bloke on

this

> > site

> > > > with E2 that high off treatment.

> > > >

> > > > But can I get arimidex on the NHS, can I get a flexible

> > > > endocrinologist willing to listen sooth my fucking soul by

> > actually

> > > > treating me with compassion like a human being- NO!!

> > >

> > > ----------

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[Guest guest]

this all does not sound too good to me ,i am still waiting for my esults from

last weeks blood tests,and if you other guys in UK are having problems getting

the appropriate help,how on eartnh will i ,i jsut get all upset panic and

meltdown.

i am going to send a note to my doctor saying when he gets thwe results put all

the tests results down on paper and give to my dad on his next visit ,i dont

wish to go in my self as i am liable to get too overloaded.

i will then give all the reuslts on here and see what you all think.

i will then if so advised seek referal to a spcialist but i fear my gp wont do

this,and as some are haivng problems with specialists as well then i dont see

how on earth i can do it,as said before if its injections someone wil have to

give them to me,i wont do them myself and if medication again someone wil have

to oversee me taking them,thats if i get any in first place,its seems the odds

are stacked against me,it may be safer just to leave it well alone if gp refuses

to do anything.

i have too many problems not being dealt with how i want ,but then again some

things like my ADD i have now been refered to maudlsley hospital in london on of

the best in uk for aspergers/dyspraxia and add ,by my phyciatrist and

phycologist so they listen to me and do there best,where others dont understand

in the NHS.

i mean even my foreskin they did not deal with so what hope do i have with

fighting again on this,it seems nearly everything i have is borderline in gp

terms anyway so that stops me getting the support,whats borderline or not much

of a problem to them causes me deep anguish and upset and has a bad effect on my

life quality but they dont seem to care.

all this crap in media about males not going to doctors and phyciatrists etc

becasue of male pride,yet those of us who do,especially seeing doctors get short

changed becasue we are male and male problems dont count for much.

regards paul

Re: Re: Testosterone Enanthate in BNF & on NHS

Hi Chris

I know we have both suffered from very bad experience and I have met similar

types you

describe. However, I must state as this is the whole;e point of this list and

group:

[Guest guest]

Ok what about this get the 250mg amp and work it so your doing your own shots

then pre load 1ml needs with 50mgs and do your shots every 3 days. keep the

needles in the frig cool until you need them. I have talked to guys doing this

in the UK with HCG. And it is working they pull the plunger out of the smaller

needle and fill a 5 ml needle from the amp and fill the smaller needls from the

back putting a little more then they need so they can get the plunger back in.

Phil

<peter_randle@...> wrote:

Hi Brad, Chris

Yes, a typo by me.

Of course the 1ml (250mg) is a problem if a smaller dosage is required as I

wrote yesterday.

wrote on 22nd May 2006:

" " " I agree that as Enanthate is sold in UK as 250mg you may have to discuss the

matter with

your prescriber so as to get new vials but as you have a liver medical

history and are wishing to ensure minimum dosage needed then that would appear

very reasonable. " " "

However, as as a very special require due to a help problem of liver which

is known to

be a problem with some patients requiring TRT I would expect a consultant to be

willing to

prescribe the 1ml at ca £8/Ml for him to take a smaller dosage and for him to

try and get

better. Some medicines are much more expensive that this and provided.

__________________________

Hi Chris

I don't think your statement about ENanthate and NHS is correct. I had

enanthate prescribed

for years and the dosage was a matter discussed with hospital consultant.

In my case I

needed high dose as 250mg did not work. However, when the liquid is

injected it is only you

who decides. ENanthate is quite cheap - I know you own a copy of the BNF

so you will have

the recent price range. I discussed dosage and frequency with people like

Professor Mike

Besser and Professor Wass and senior registrars during the 1990s and

as one

example professor Besser said clearly some people need a dose every 1 or 2

weeks where

others seem to feel best once a month. We do not know why and so we

prescribe on a

patient basis - That comment was 1995 with Enanthate.

I agree that as Enanthate is sold in UK as 250mg you may have to discuss

the matter with

your prescriber so as to get new vials but as you have a liver medical

history and are

wishing to ensure minimum dosage needed then that would appear very

reasonable. If your

surgeon would write to your GP rather than refer you to another consultant

that would be

best for you as he has already said you need treatment and agreed your

liver is " well

enough " to cope " .

Hope this helps?

On 23 May 2006 at 13:25, brad999us wrote:

> I noticed this entry also. Note the spelling.

> I have no opinion about whether this medication would be useful for

> Chris. 250mg amps don't seem to be convenient for his needs.

>

> Brad

>

>

> >

> > Hi Chris

> >

> > Just been to 2006 BNF and extracted this for T Enanthate:

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> > {PRIVATE " TYPE=PICT;ALT=Prescription-only medicine " }

> > Injection (oily), testosterone enantate 250 mg/mL. Net price 1-mL

> > amp = £8.33

> > Dose

> > By slow intramuscular injection, hypogonadism, initially 250 mg

> > every 2-3 weeks;

> > maintenance 250 mg every 3-6 weeks

> > Breast cancer, 250 mg every 2-3 weeks

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Don't get upset has some special problems and you never know how

treatment is going to go for you. So stay clam until you have a problem.

Phil

paul wey <promachief@...> wrote:

this all does not sound too good to me ,i am still waiting for my esults from

last weeks blood tests,and if you other guys in UK are having problems getting

the appropriate help,how on eartnh will i ,i jsut get all upset panic and

meltdown.

i am going to send a note to my doctor saying when he gets thwe results put all

the tests results down on paper and give to my dad on his next visit ,i dont

wish to go in my self as i am liable to get too overloaded.

i will then give all the reuslts on here and see what you all think.

i will then if so advised seek referal to a spcialist but i fear my gp wont do

this,and as some are haivng problems with specialists as well then i dont see

how on earth i can do it,as said before if its injections someone wil have to

give them to me,i wont do them myself and if medication again someone wil have

to oversee me taking them,thats if i get any in first place,its seems the odds

are stacked against me,it may be safer just to leave it well alone if gp refuses

to do anything.

i have too many problems not being dealt with how i want ,but then again some

things like my ADD i have now been refered to maudlsley hospital in london on of

the best in uk for aspergers/dyspraxia and add ,by my phyciatrist and

phycologist so they listen to me and do there best,where others dont understand

in the NHS.

i mean even my foreskin they did not deal with so what hope do i have with

fighting again on this,it seems nearly everything i have is borderline in gp

terms anyway so that stops me getting the support,whats borderline or not much

of a problem to them causes me deep anguish and upset and has a bad effect on my

life quality but they dont seem to care.

all this crap in media about males not going to doctors and phyciatrists etc

becasue of male pride,yet those of us who do,especially seeing doctors get short

changed becasue we are male and male problems dont count for much.

regards paul

Re: Re: Testosterone Enanthate in BNF & on NHS

Hi Chris

I know we have both suffered from very bad experience and I have met similar

types you

describe. However, I must state as this is the whole;e point of this list and

group:

[Guest guest]

Hi

I understand your fears and concerns. However, in your case at the moment you

are waiting

for some GP requested blood test results. Whilst I understand your situation -

personally, I

would not ask my Father to get involved certainly not at this stage. Each GP

practice has a

practice manager that deals with the administration. If you can send a note on

the lines:

______________________________________

FAO Practice Manager

Dear Sir or Madam

Last week I had some blood tests and expect the results shortly. I would prefer

to have a list

of the results for my own record and so i can discuss these with my GP and

hospital

consultant. WOuld you please copy me the blood tests and results as soon as they

arrive

please?

Yours faithfully,

Wey

_____________________

I recommend that everyone gets their results and keep copies and so this is just

a start for

you to keep your own blood test results.

Your GP should find it of concern that you have low Total Testosterone and then

ask you to

make an appointment or - given the recent history - just refer you to an

endocrinologist.

As you are so " upset " by the situation I can ask the Pituitary Foundation to

provide support

but during the 12-18 months I think they have changed the rules and you need to

be a full

member for this support. Check out http://www.pituitary.org.uk

Look forward to hearing your results and talking further.

On 23 May 2006 at 17:29, paul wey wrote:

> this all does not sound too good to me ,i am still waiting for my esults from

last weeks blood tests,and if you other guys in UK are having problems getting

the appropriate help,how on eartnh will i ,i jsut get all upset panic and

meltdown.

>

> i am going to send a note to my doctor saying when he gets thwe results put

all the tests

results down on paper and give to my dad on his next visit ,i dont wish to go in

my self as i

am liable to get too overloaded.

>

> i will then give all the reuslts on here and see what you all think.

>

> i will then if so advised seek referal to a spcialist but i fear my gp wont do

this,and as

some are haivng problems with specialists as well then i dont see how on earth i

can do it,as

said before if its injections someone wil have to give them to me,i wont do them

myself and

if medication again someone wil have to oversee me taking them,thats if i get

any in first

place,its seems the odds are stacked against me,it may be safer just to leave it

well alone if

gp refuses to do anything.

>

> i have too many problems not being dealt with how i want ,but then again some

things like

my ADD i have now been refered to maudlsley hospital in london on of the best in

uk for

aspergers/dyspraxia and add ,by my phyciatrist and phycologist so they listen to

me and do

there best,where others dont understand in the NHS.

>

> i mean even my foreskin they did not deal with so what hope do i have with

fighting again

on this,it seems nearly everything i have is borderline in gp terms anyway so

that stops me

getting the support,whats borderline or not much of a problem to them causes me

deep

anguish and upset and has a bad effect on my life quality but they dont seem to

care.

>

> all this crap in media about males not going to doctors and phyciatrists etc

becasue of

male pride,yet those of us who do,especially seeing doctors get short changed

becasue we

are male and male problems dont count for much.

>

> regards paul

>

> Re: Re: Testosterone Enanthate in BNF & on NHS

>

> Hi Chris

>

> I know we have both suffered from very bad experience and I have met similar

types you

> describe. However, I must state as this is the whole;e point of this list and

group:

>

>

[Guest guest]

At this moment in time if I even asked to try ethanate I would risk

having TRT removed.

> > >

> > > Hi Chris

> > >

> > > Just been to 2006 BNF and extracted this for T Enanthate:

> > >

> > > Previous | Next » Return to search | Hide highlighting

> > > Home > British National Formulary > 6 Endocrine system > 6.4

Sex

> > > hormones >

> > > 6.4.2 Male sex hormones and antagonists > TESTOSTERONE AND

ESTERS >

> > > Intramuscular

> > > Testosterone Enantate(Cambridge)

> > > {PRIVATE " TYPE=PICT;ALT=Prescription-only medicine " }

> > > Injection (oily), testosterone enantate 250 mg/mL. Net price 1-

mL

> > > amp = £8.33

> > > Dose

> > > By slow intramuscular injection, hypogonadism, initially 250 mg

> > > every 2-3 weeks;

> > > maintenance 250 mg every 3-6 weeks

> > > Breast cancer, 250 mg every 2-3 weeks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi its easier to get dad involved as he remembers more talking to me means i

lose most of whats said and have problems reading as well,which is why i get

tied up in knots and then get more anxious,if dad goes and collects the results

all i do is then pass on here the results and see what you think,having it on

email is simpler,boy i wish my gp was on email ,my nurse/phycologist/phyciatrist

and social worker all on email but the gps are not,a 2 minute email is much

better than a 10 min consultation for me,and would save any practice both time

and money and also make it easier for those of us who are not good face to face.

at moment as said he wont even discuss refering to hospital,so best i get the

results and email them to here and see what the general opinion is on my next

stage and how to convince my gp of referral.

regards paul

Re: Re: Testosterone Enanthate in BNF & on NHS

[Guest guest]

yes but i dont think i can get treatment thats the point

my 10.5 nmo/l was too high to get treated or even referred,if same again the gp

is bound to say same thing,only 2 weeks ago he said as much,so unless my

testosterone has gone down way below 10.5 then its unlikely i get anywhere and i

have communication problems so this makes it very difficult

i either sit passivley and crry or shout and scream and kick walls and swear and

thrrow things,so its bloody difficult to actually get on to next stage.

i dont even know if i want HRT ,all i want first is refereal to a speciallist

and me and dad go along and perhaps my phycologist and see if some of the

problems i have cqan be made a bit better,they wont all be by HRT ,as

lethargy/exec function/moods and so on are also very much part of my

aspergers/add and dyspraxia ,but even if they just increase my activity a bit

then better than nothing,but as said it needs to be discussed with people first

and i at moment cant even get to a refereal stage.

my worse fear is if i get refered to the surgeon who looked at my tight foeskin

last year,if so then even a referal will be a waste of time!

Re: Re: Testosterone Enanthate in BNF & on NHS

Hi Chris

I know we have both suffered from very bad experience and I have met similar

types you

describe. However, I must state as this is the whole;e point of this list and

group: