Re: My talk with my Uro

December 30, 2005

Jody what can one say I have read one post after the other saying there Dr.

had this attitude. My first set of Dr.'s never tested me 21 yrs. ago for low T.

After they did every test my BCBS would pay for they told my I am Depressed and

I had to go along with this to keep my job I was so sick I was on sick leave.

Five yrs. later I was put on a new drug Prozac and it slowed down my voiding and

I got a bad bladder infection and was sent to a Uro. This Dr. told me he feels

I am not depressed but have low T and tested me my Total T was 120. I still

feel I lost 5 yrs of my life on them drugs. I have seen a lot of Dr.'s that my

Dr.'s have sent me to that were not any good on low T. All I can say is before

one goes to a Dr. to call and ask a lot more questions about low t like how many

men dose the Dr. treat and dose he test to see why one has low T. Does the Dr.

check for high E2 and if one is high does he use Arimidex to get the E2 down.

If the Dr. finds a men to be secondary

hypo. does he use HCG to treat him. You need to call this new Dr. and make

sure your going to a good one. I must stress that to me it is Criminal to put a

man on TRT with out knowing why he is low. And not to test him every 4 to 6

weeks when put on TRT to see how things are going and to watch the blood count.

Phil

skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...> wrote:

Hi guys and supportive women. I have my appointment next week for my

discussion about my possible low T. I've been doing a lot of research

and I wanted to let you know some more info and tell you about my

" enlightening " phone conversation with the Uro who did my vasectomy.

First I would like to say that I have noticed a decrease in the size

of my penis and testicles. I've been trying to pay attention to this

for some time and now even my wife says that she believes my testicles

are smaller as well as my penis. Any ideas about this?

I've asked a few times on this board how those of you whose T is in

the low normal range convince your docs to give you TRT. I called my

Uro's office the other day (he's not the doc I'm seeing next week) and

asked the receptionist if the doctor might have time to speak with me,

unbelieveably he called me that evening from his home. He's a real

nice guy and runs an office supposedly dedicated to men's health. What

ensued was nearly an argument over TRT. Let me tell you just what he said.

I told him my symptoms and he said that it was highly unlikely just by

my symptoms that I was suffering from low T (even though I have at

least 9 of 10 symptoms). He thinks it's depression. He said I was too

young (I'm 36). Since I'm not a medical professional I didn't press

this issue but then I asked him what he would do if I came in and got

a hormone panel and the results showed me in the low normal range. He

said that he would not initiate any kind of TRT unless my numbers were

below the threshold of what would be considered hypogonadism. He also

went on to say that if the free T was low but the total was normal

that he still wouldn't initiate treatment because this is just a

normal part of aging and went on to add that the risks of TRT far

outweigh any benefit and that men should just " learn " to grow old

gracefully. I then asked him about E2 Estradiol levels being high. He

will not under any circumstances prescribe any aromatase inhibitors to

men and went on to say that men need a certain amount of estrogens and

that losing weight would help to normalize the reading (specifically

fat). The only time he would intervene would be if a male presented

with feminizing symptoms. He said the best way to boost T levels is to

weight train and eat a good diet and accept the fact that what you got

is what you got. At this point I was so infuriated by his pompous

attitude toward this subject I didn't feel like asking any more

questions but I did just the same. I asked him if he initiated TRT in

a hypogonadal man what meds would he use. He said the only form of T

he would prescribe at all would be bioidentical T from a compounding

pharmacy. At this point he went on to say, and this is what I feared

all along, that prescribing T replacements is dangerous business for a

doctor. Each script that is written ultimately falls into the hands of

the DEA and he doesn't want to be investigated for prescribing

steroids to patients who aren't trying to gain weight after illness etc.

Jeez guys what the hell do you all think of that. Like I said he is a

real nice guy but appears very against any type of TRT for men because

the greatest majority don't need it and wouldn't benefit from it and

would put themselves at greater risk for heart disease, prostate

cancer, polycythemia and some other things. What do you bet though

that if this guy had the problems I'm (we're) having he would be

injecting himself whenever he could. Needless to say I'm glad I

decided not to go back to him and chose instead to see a new female

doctor.

Did any of you run into these types of issues? There is no denying

that doctors are going to be a little miffed when you fall into the

low normal range but still demand TRT. I just need more advice on how

to deal with these issues specifically. Thanks for all your time.

Jody

December 30, 2005

--- skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...> wrote:

>

> Sorry to hear your penis and testes are smaller. Due

to Primary Hypogonadism and the doctors missing it all

my life, I've lived hidden and shamefully with a penis

below 6 inches and very small testes. I'm still a

virgin and the thought of me taking off my clothes

toward a female is scary but I would love to do it.

I hope your wife continues to support you.

>

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December 30, 2005

I've lived hidden and shamefully with a penis below 6 inches

and very small testes. I'm still a virgin and the thought of me

taking off my clothes toward a female is scary but I would love to do

it.-----

You should know that the size of the average erect penis is well

below 6 " and there is a wide variation in sizes. This is an

excellent website for allaying the male " size phobia " (explicit

photos):

http://www.erectionphotos.com/frames_index.htm

Size is mostly a guy thing as it relates to male genitalia and female

breasts. We pick our mates for more important qualities. Kindness,

intelligence, integrity, and a good sense of humor are top priorities

in my book. Even when looking at a man's appearance alone, genital

size weighs in last.

Try to get to know more women just on a friendship basis and you may

feel more comfortable about progressing to physical intimacy with a

girl who is also an understanding friend.

December 30, 2005

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:07:43 -0000, you wrote:

>You should know that the size of the average erect penis is well

>below 6 " and there is a wide variation in sizes. T

http://www.edu.uni-klu.ac.at/~amiklaut/dr_nick/answer19.htm

ANd a half inch/ quarter inch difference is not noticeable except in

the mind of the owner.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

December 30, 2005

> I would have to second s opinion on the size of your penis.

I'm about 6in or a little less hard and I've never been embarrassed by

that amount nor have I ever received complaints. I think that all guys

wish they had more, not so much for their partners but for themselves.

The thing here is that T controls to an extent the final size of your

penis and testes and a lack of T can also cause them to shrink or so

I've read. It's the shrinking that concerns me. You shouldn't at all

be afraid to undress in front of a partner.

> >

> > Sorry to hear your penis and testes are smaller. Due

> to Primary Hypogonadism and the doctors missing it all

> my life, I've lived hidden and shamefully with a penis

> below 6 inches and very small testes. I'm still a

> virgin and the thought of me taking off my clothes

> toward a female is scary but I would love to do it.

> I hope your wife continues to support you.

> >

>

> __________________________________________

> DSL – Something to write home about.

> Just $16.99/mo. or less.

> dsl.

>

December 31, 2005

A combination of cowardice and ignorance will cause a doctor to treat a

hypogonadal patient this incompetently. I heard the same diatribe

about prostate cancer, etc from my PCP. A very expensive

endocrinologist looked at my obviously low hormonal levels and declared

me normal. I even got the lecture about the DEA becoming suspicious of

them for prescribing testosterone. A thought just occured to me. The

reason why doctors like to prescribe compounded transdermal T is

because that is not the form commonly used by athletes. Otherwise join

the club of patients denied treatment because it is the politically

correct to do so. I hope your new female doctor turns out better. I

have read in past posts that women are not as callous about hormonal

problems. They experience menstruation, PMS and menopause equally. I

learned not to expect sympathy from a endo with a full beard and a well

built body, said person even had the nerve to suggest that my

testosterone levels were probably higher than his.

December 31, 2005