Re: ouch ouch ouch with subq !

October 23, 2006

Don't decrease the dosage and don't give it Sub Q. That thick oily

testosterone is meant to go DEEP IM, Pref. the gluteal muscle,(22g 1

1/2 " needle) although the thigh (22g 1 " needle)would work.

Surprised he gave you sust. and not cypionate. The absorption rate

is going to be all screwed up if you give it SC (subcutaneous) and

it is going to burn. So coming from an RN don't give it SC. If you

can't manage to give yourself the IM, then let a spouse or Dr. do it

for you.

Best way to give IM is to:

1. Draw up med in syringe leaving 2ml of air in the syringe

2. put Ice on site for about 60 secs.

3. Swab area with alcohol wipe and air dry or dry with clean tissue

4. Pull the skin taught inject the needle holding the skin taught,

SLOWLY inject the med and the 2ml of air, withdraw quickly. massage

if desired.

(BIG NOTE) Look on the interent for IM shots and make sure you are

familiar with the sciatic nerve, you do NOT want to hit that. One

easy way to make sure you don't hit the sciatic nerve is to draw an

imaginary line from your greater trochanter (your mid hip) to the

coccyx (dimples at the bottom of your spine right above your butt

crack) and give the injection above that imaginary line. That will

avoid the sciatic.

But your Dr. or Nurse should have gone over this with you before

just giving you the injectable form.

Hope that helped you.

Zeke

October 23, 2006

> Don't decrease the dosage and don't give it Sub Q. That thick

oily

> testosterone is meant to go DEEP IM, Pref. the gluteal muscle,(22g

1

> 1/2 " needle) although the thigh (22g 1 " needle)would work.

I agree that it should be IM and not Sub Q. There are some people

including leaders in the field that are doing their testosterone

injections Sub Q, but I prefer to wait until it is more accepted

before I try it. The burning is from doing it Sub Q. That won't

happen IM.

> SLOWLY inject the med and the 2ml of air, withdraw quickly.

massage

> if desired.

I'm not challenging your statement on injecting the air, but I have

not heard of that. What is the purpose of the air?

On the needle size, I would recommend 25 or 27g. I requested 27g

and was given 25g and they are working well. The larger needles are

for masochists IMHO. You have to warm the test cyp. up to get it to

flow OK. Just run it under warm water to thin it a bit. Like all

common oils, its' viscosity will reduce with temperature. That

helps you to draw it through the tiny needle. It still takes a

while - you just have to be patient.

October 24, 2006

I agree,

subq with a thick oil solution is a painful way to get a medication.

To find the right place on the hind end...make an L with the first

finger and thumb, reach around and measure the area at the fat pad

from the top of your hip so to speak. Stay away from the middle of

the cheek. Only use the upper outer area. Same for the thigh. Upper

outer areas are the least painful. Same with the arm. Upper outer

part of the deltoid althiough anything from the center over is okay.

A cold pack for a minute is a good idea but... Do not inject 2 ml.

of air in to muscle! Ouch isn't the word. 2ml. of air is not

appropriate, sorry, I sorely disagree. I asume you meant to say .2ml

In , " eaiston " <eaiston@...> wrote:

>

> Don't decrease the dosage and don't give it Sub Q. That thick

oily

> testosterone is meant to go DEEP IM, Pref. the gluteal muscle,(22g

1

> 1/2 " needle) although the thigh (22g 1 " needle)would work.

> Surprised he gave you sust. and not cypionate. The absorption

rate

> is going to be all screwed up if you give it SC (subcutaneous) and

> it is going to burn. So coming from an RN don't give it SC. If

you

> can't manage to give yourself the IM, then let a spouse or Dr. do

it

> for you.

>

> Best way to give IM is to:

> 1. Draw up med in syringe leaving 2ml of air in the syringe

> 2. put Ice on site for about 60 secs.

> 3. Swab area with alcohol wipe and air dry or dry with clean

tissue

> 4. Pull the skin taught inject the needle holding the skin

taught,

> SLOWLY inject the med and the 2ml of air, withdraw quickly.

massage

> if desired.

>

> (BIG NOTE) Look on the interent for IM shots and make sure you

are

> familiar with the sciatic nerve, you do NOT want to hit that. One

> easy way to make sure you don't hit the sciatic nerve is to draw

an

> imaginary line from your greater trochanter (your mid hip) to the

> coccyx (dimples at the bottom of your spine right above your butt

> crack) and give the injection above that imaginary line. That

will

> avoid the sciatic.

>

> But your Dr. or Nurse should have gone over this with you before

> just giving you the injectable form.

>

> Hope that helped you.

> Zeke

>

October 24, 2006

Oh my god, I will challenge the statement of injecting the air! Fine way to

kill yourself, injecting 2ml of air into a vein, should you happen to forget

to aspirate.

Intentionally leaving air in the syringe goes against every " how to inject "

reference I've ever read. Almost all include specific instructions to

specifically " tap the syringe with your finger to move air bubbles to the

top " and then to expel them before injecting.

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On Behalf Of kincaiddave

Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:45 PM

Subject: Re: ouch ouch ouch with subq !

> Don't decrease the dosage and don't give it Sub Q. That thick

oily

> testosterone is meant to go DEEP IM, Pref. the gluteal muscle,(22g

1

> 1/2 " needle) although the thigh (22g 1 " needle)would work.

I agree that it should be IM and not Sub Q. There are some people

including leaders in the field that are doing their testosterone

injections Sub Q, but I prefer to wait until it is more accepted

before I try it. The burning is from doing it Sub Q. That won't

happen IM.

> SLOWLY inject the med and the 2ml of air, withdraw quickly.

massage

> if desired.

I'm not challenging your statement on injecting the air, but I have

not heard of that. What is the purpose of the air?

On the needle size, I would recommend 25 or 27g. I requested 27g

and was given 25g and they are working well. The larger needles are

for masochists IMHO. You have to warm the test cyp. up to get it to

flow OK. Just run it under warm water to thin it a bit. Like all

common oils, its' viscosity will reduce with temperature. That

helps you to draw it through the tiny needle. It still takes a

while - you just have to be patient.

October 24, 2006

I wonder if that's a typo. 2cc is a chunk of air.

Rich

>

> Oh my god, I will challenge the statement of injecting the air!

Fine way to

> kill yourself, injecting 2ml of air into a vein, should you happen

to forget

> to aspirate.

>

> Intentionally leaving air in the syringe goes against every " how to

inject "

> reference I've ever read. Almost all include specific instructions

to

> specifically " tap the syringe with your finger to move air bubbles

to the

> top " and then to expel them before injecting.

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of kincaiddave

> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:45 PM

>

> Subject: Re: ouch ouch ouch with subq !

>

> > Don't decrease the dosage and don't give it Sub Q. That thick

> oily

> > testosterone is meant to go DEEP IM, Pref. the gluteal muscle,

(22g

> 1

> > 1/2 " needle) although the thigh (22g 1 " needle)would work.

>

> I agree that it should be IM and not Sub Q. There are some people

> including leaders in the field that are doing their testosterone

> injections Sub Q, but I prefer to wait until it is more accepted

> before I try it. The burning is from doing it Sub Q. That won't

> happen IM.

>

> > SLOWLY inject the med and the 2ml of air, withdraw quickly.

> massage

> > if desired.

>

> I'm not challenging your statement on injecting the air, but I have

> not heard of that. What is the purpose of the air?

>

> On the needle size, I would recommend 25 or 27g. I requested 27g

> and was given 25g and they are working well. The larger needles are

> for masochists IMHO. You have to warm the test cyp. up to get it to

> flow OK. Just run it under warm water to thin it a bit. Like all

> common oils, its' viscosity will reduce with temperature. That

> helps you to draw it through the tiny needle. It still takes a

> while - you just have to be patient.

>

October 24, 2006

Vickie, why would you want to even inject any air?

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On Behalf Of Vickie

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:17 AM