Re: Luteinizing Hormone: how far off is 1.72 ??

[Guest guest]

You LH value is below normal and this will mean your Testosterone will be low

also if your not on T meds. Then you need more testing go to

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and in the first part

are tests you need and why. If you not doing Testostereone meds and your LH is

this low it can mean your Pituitary is off or there is a tumor on it. Your post

is very vague why did your Dr. test just LH.

Tell us more if you had a bunch of tests post them here so we can help you

better.

Phil

donbrad992000 <donbrad992000@...> wrote:

LH value was 1.72 . Ref range is indicated as 2.0-12.0 mlUmL .

Just how 'low' is 1.72 if the lower bound of the reference range is 2.0?

Should there be any further adjustments if Pt is a 60year old White

male?

Is it proper for my doctor to be saying 'there is nothing wrong with

your LH levels'?

[Guest guest]

Phil is correct here.

Surely your doctor didn't just run an LH test alone? Do you have

other results and ranges? Why were you tested? Did you have

symptoms that something was wrong?

Help us to help YOU.

Blessing,

Bill

> LH value was 1.72 . Ref range is indicated as 2.0-12.0 mlUmL .

> Just how 'low' is 1.72 if the lower bound of the reference range

is 2.0?

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[Guest guest]

I insisted on LH testing and Testosterone testing.

I also had to pay outrageous labortory rates for

progesterone and estrogen testing but have not

received those results.

Doctor urged I begin Testim treatment for the

low testosterone but insists that 1.72 LH is

normal and means nothing is or ever was wrong

with my pituitary gland and my belief in a pituitary

defect and long desire for testing was misguided.

So question remains: is 1.72 LH significantly lower

than the 2.0 lower bound of the reference range or

is it simply not that far off the mark and so not

a concern?

[Guest guest]

What was the result of the Testosterone testing? What symptoms are

you feeling (or not feeling)?

Answers to these will greatly help oyur ability to comment about LH,

but the answer is still " yes " - 1.72 in LH can indicate a problem,

as it is low/low normal and if it matches up with a low/low normal

total/free testosterone level.

Blessings,

Bill

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> I insisted on LH testing and Testosterone testing.

>

> I also had to pay outrageous labortory rates for

> progesterone and estrogen testing but have not

> received those results.

>

> Doctor urged I begin Testim treatment for the

> low testosterone but insists that 1.72 LH is

> normal and means nothing is or ever was wrong

> with my pituitary gland and my belief in a pituitary

> defect and long desire for testing was misguided.

>

> So question remains: is 1.72 LH significantly lower

> than the 2.0 lower bound of the reference range or

> is it simply not that far off the mark and so not

> a concern?

>

[Guest guest]

Ok to better help you understand how LH works here is a cut & paste for Dr.

but first let me tell you about him he helps men on the net posting at groups

like this. He also teaches other Dr.'s on how to test and treat low T. You are

right to not go on the Testim and want more testing. So go to Dr.'s 's site

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and in this is testing

you need and why. Never go on TRT untill every test possable was done if your

Dr. will not do them ask him if he will work with Dr. over the phone or

find a better Dr. but if you need to do this make sure you go to the files

section at the home page here and read Finding A Male Hormone Dr. Endo's and

Uro's are not the best Dr.'s the best Dr.'s can be any kind DO's in Anti-Ageing

seem to be the best. When looking aks over the phone how many men does the Dr.

treat and does he check for high Estradiol and use Arimidx to get it down also

ask if the Dr. uses HCG to treat men

that are secondary. Get the book " The Testosterone Syndrome " by Dr. Shippen

before taking any T meds.

Now back to LH if your tested and your Total T and Free T levels are low and

your LH and FSH are low it can mean your Secondary or have a pituitary problem.

The problem with checking just LH and not doing FSH with it is LH goes up and

down fast here read what Dr. has to say about it.

Phil

Simply, because LH has a very short half life, is pulsatile in its production,

and is an acute phase reactant (meaning it rises and falls relatively quickly in

response to stimuli), it is very difficult to tell what its production really

is, without conducting series testing throughout the day. Doing so would be

prohibitive from financial, as well as patient compliance, standpoints. So

usually only one assay is drawn, and far too much reliance is typically placed

upon same. Thus FSH spot-checked in serum MAY—and I repeat MAY (it is just

another piece of the puzzle)—be more useful in determining the effect of your

therapy while titrating TRT dosages. This can be VERY helpful while correlating

patient subjective response to lab values, especially when implementing

transdermal testosterone supplementation. The details of that discussion are

beyond the scope of this response, but are covered in depth in my training

lectures before A4M and other bodies.

donbrad992000 <donbrad992000@...> wrote:

I insisted on LH testing and Testosterone testing.

I also had to pay outrageous labortory rates for

progesterone and estrogen testing but have not

received those results.

Doctor urged I begin Testim treatment for the

low testosterone but insists that 1.72 LH is

normal and means nothing is or ever was wrong

with my pituitary gland and my belief in a pituitary

defect and long desire for testing was misguided.

So question remains: is 1.72 LH significantly lower

than the 2.0 lower bound of the reference range or

is it simply not that far off the mark and so not

a concern?

[Guest guest]

>

> I insisted on LH testing and Testosterone testing.

>

> I also had to pay outrageous labortory rates for

> progesterone and estrogen testing but have not

> received those results.

>

> Doctor urged I begin Testim treatment for the

> low testosterone but insists that 1.72 LH is

> normal and means nothing is or ever was wrong

> with my pituitary gland and my belief in a pituitary

> defect and long desire for testing was misguided.

>

> So question remains: is 1.72 LH significantly lower

> than the 2.0 lower bound of the reference range or

> is it simply not that far off the mark and so not

> a concern?

>

If nothing is wrong why does your Doctor want you to begin Testim

treatment in the first place?

The reason for testing LH is to distinguish primary from secondary

hypogonadism. So your result is consistent with secondary

hypogonadism assuming your testosterone level is deficient. If you

are going to treat secondary hypogonadism with testosterone anyway (as

opposed to hcg), then it (lh level) doesn't matter much. Though I

think it is nice to know that you're secondary rather than primary.

You should have had your prolactin level tested also. If your

prolactin level is normal, you could go ahead with the Testim and

forgo hcg treatment if you wish.

Brad

[Guest guest]

> What was the result of the Testosterone testing?

Total Testosterone 214 ng/dL .

>What symptoms are you feeling (or not feeling)?

Lifelong depression, lack of goals, lack of ambition,

lack of ability to stick to a task.

[Guest guest]

Yes do more testing and if they can find why your low then you need to be on the

testim. If you can't aford all the tests the only thing you can do is try the

testim and in most cases you should start feeling better.

Phil

donbrad992000 <donbrad992000@...> wrote:

> What was the result of the Testosterone testing?

Total Testosterone 214 ng/dL .

>What symptoms are you feeling (or not feeling)?

Lifelong depression, lack of goals, lack of ambition,

lack of ability to stick to a task.