Re: Testicular Cancer Lance Armstrong

July 29, 2006

Hi Bill,

I can give you a little information about this.

As a 19 year survivor of Testicular Cancer, I know a little.

Normally you lose only one teste, a few maybe unlucky enough to get

it twice and lose both testes. The cancer does not spread from one

teste to the other, it will be two separate cases of Testicular

Cancer.

Testicular is one of the most Curable Cancers, the cure rate is in

the high 90% area.

Testes are like Kidneys, you can lose one and still

be " Normal " . " Normal " , is a statement made by doctors who don't

know anything about your problem.

There are two main types of Testicular Cancer, one is treated with

Chemo and the other with Radiation.

The problem is that the cure, Chemo/Radiation can damage the Leydig

Cells of the Teste and the Leydig Cell produce the Testosterone.

But like all good stories sometimes we are different and we need

help with Testosterone. Sadly the doctors who treat us for cancer

know nothing about hormones, but tell us all is ok because we a

still in range.

In my case, I still have both Testes and was in range by .8 for

several years before changing doctors.

If you would like to know about Testicular Cancer visit this site

http://tcrc.acor.org/

This is the best site on the web and it's run by a survivor, so he'd

been there and done it also.

I hope I have helped in some small way.

Later,

Magenta

>

> It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

testicular

> cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

effect

> ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes who

says

> his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

>

July 30, 2006

Thanks for your comments The Lance Armstrong link you provided contains

information they remeved one testicle.

Tel ut do you take T shots to raise your T levels .

I brought up ths subject because Lance urune sakple showed a 4 times above

normal for T and there is an isue as to whether or not he was doping . He says

he naturally produces 4 times a normal man So here we have a man with one

testice that produces 4 times more T than the average felow

I suppose i am wondering how many men who lost one testicle nned T shots to be

normal or does the remening testice produce a normal level and or 4 time s more

in lamce Armstrongs case if we are to beleve his statements

If and when they get blood from him?? The test results will be interesting

magenta_1996 <no_reply > wrote:

Hi Bill,

I can give you a little information about this.

As a 19 year survivor of Testicular Cancer, I know a little.

Normally you lose only one teste, a few maybe unlucky enough to get

it twice and lose both testes. The cancer does not spread from one

teste to the other, it will be two separate cases of Testicular

Cancer.

Testicular is one of the most Curable Cancers, the cure rate is in

the high 90% area.

Testes are like Kidneys, you can lose one and still

be " Normal " . " Normal " , is a statement made by doctors who don't

know anything about your problem.

There are two main types of Testicular Cancer, one is treated with

Chemo and the other with Radiation.

The problem is that the cure, Chemo/Radiation can damage the Leydig

Cells of the Teste and the Leydig Cell produce the Testosterone.

But like all good stories sometimes we are different and we need

help with Testosterone. Sadly the doctors who treat us for cancer

know nothing about hormones, but tell us all is ok because we a

still in range.

In my case, I still have both Testes and was in range by .8 for

several years before changing doctors.

If you would like to know about Testicular Cancer visit this site

http://tcrc.acor.org/

This is the best site on the web and it's run by a survivor, so he'd

been there and done it also.

I hope I have helped in some small way.

Later,

Magenta

>

> It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

testicular

> cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

effect

> ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes who

says

> his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

>

__________________________________________________

July 30, 2006

If Lance Armstrong still produces more T than the average man minus

a testicle and following chemo... then he's freak of nature! One of

the markers for testicular cancer is a marked increase in

testosterone. Tumors will often times spike production of T. I've

had one removed and had radiation for testicular cancer. I'm having

some serious doubts about a cyclist post-cancer having 4 times the

normal level. Suppose stranger things have happened.

, Bill Taber <trainman199@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for your comments The Lance Armstrong link you provided

contains information they remeved one testicle.

> Tel ut do you take T shots to raise your T levels .

> I brought up ths subject because Lance urune sakple showed a 4

times above normal for T and there is an isue as to whether or not

he was doping . He says he naturally produces 4 times a normal man

So here we have a man with one testice that produces 4 times more T

than the average felow

> I suppose i am wondering how many men who lost one testicle nned

T shots to be normal or does the remening testice produce a normal

level and or 4 time s more in lamce Armstrongs case if we are to

beleve his statements

> If and when they get blood from him?? The test results will be

interesting

>

> magenta_1996 <no_reply > wrote:

> Hi Bill,

>

> I can give you a little information about this.

>

> As a 19 year survivor of Testicular Cancer, I know a little.

>

> Normally you lose only one teste, a few maybe unlucky enough to

get

> it twice and lose both testes. The cancer does not spread from one

> teste to the other, it will be two separate cases of Testicular

> Cancer.

>

> Testicular is one of the most Curable Cancers, the cure rate is in

> the high 90% area.

>

> Testes are like Kidneys, you can lose one and still

> be " Normal " . " Normal " , is a statement made by doctors who don't

> know anything about your problem.

>

> There are two main types of Testicular Cancer, one is treated with

> Chemo and the other with Radiation.

>

> The problem is that the cure, Chemo/Radiation can damage the

Leydig

> Cells of the Teste and the Leydig Cell produce the Testosterone.

>

> But like all good stories sometimes we are different and we need

> help with Testosterone. Sadly the doctors who treat us for cancer

> know nothing about hormones, but tell us all is ok because we a

> still in range.

>

> In my case, I still have both Testes and was in range by .8 for

> several years before changing doctors.

>

> If you would like to know about Testicular Cancer visit this site

> http://tcrc.acor.org/

>

> This is the best site on the web and it's run by a survivor, so

he'd

> been there and done it also.

>

> I hope I have helped in some small way.

> Later,

> Magenta

>

> >

> > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> testicular

> > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> effect

> > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes who

> says

> > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

July 30, 2006

Bill, I did not have Cancer in either of my Testes and it's called

EGC, so I still have both and I use Primoteston Depot 250

fortnightly.

It took ten year of being told I was ok by my treating doctor,

before I was seen by another doctor who took the time to check

everything and put me on TRT.

My treating doctors only know about chemo and treating cancer, so

why they didn't send me to some one else has got me stufffed to this

day.

Two of the chemo drugs Lance was on, can damage the Leydig cells of

the Testes.

I am not going to say Lance did or did not cheat here as I have

already left one group before of the crap my view caused.

So read for you selves and decide for yourselves, how many men do

you know of they have 4 times normal levels?

Maybe it normal for the boys over on the Steriod list, but I don't

feel a " Normal " person does.

Thanks.

> >

> > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> testicular

> > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> effect

> > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes who

> says

> > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

July 30, 2006

, I'm sorry, but Testosterone is not a marker for Testicular

Cancer.

Here's a quote from the TCRC site re-guarding Tumour Markers,

" Tumor Marker - A substance detectable in the blood or urine that

suggests the presence of cancer. 70-80% of patients with testicular

cancer have raised marker levels. Treatment of the cancer results in

a fall of the markers. Examples are alpha-fetoprotein (AFP), human

chorionic gonadotropin (HCG), placental alkaline phosphatase (PLAP),

and lactate dehydrogenase (LDH). "

Some men have been known to have low testosterone when DX'd.

As a survivor of TC, you know as well as I do, chemo and radiation

stuffs the body, I also ended up with Peripheral and Motor

Neuropathy.

Later,

magenta.

> > >

> > > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> > testicular

> > > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> > effect

> > > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes

who

> > says

> > > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

July 30, 2006

Actually it was Floyd Landis, not Lance Armstrong, for the later is

now retired from cycling. And Lance actually produces slightley less

testosterone than he used to as he says in an interview I read online

and probably is easy to find if you care to do a search.

> > >

> > > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> > testicular

> > > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> > effect

> > > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes who

> > says

> > > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

July 31, 2006

Yes you are correct.! I had just realized i confused the two fellows and was

just now going to post my mistake.

.

I am sory for the confusion i may have caused . I do believe in past Armstrong

was acused of doping but the subject at hand is whether or not Landis was

cheating . As far as we know landis has both testicles. We await word on

Landis's next test for T

Bill

<that_fiend@...> wrote:

Actually it was Floyd Landis, not Lance Armstrong, for the later is

now retired from cycling. And Lance actually produces slightley less

testosterone than he used to as he says in an interview I read online

and probably is easy to find if you care to do a search.

> > >

> > > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> > testicular

> > > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> > effect

> > > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes who

> > says

> > > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

July 31, 2006

I also have doubt about the lab that tested Landis's testosterone

level for the simple reason that the French cannot stand the fact that

an American is kicking their ass AGAIN!!

> > > >

> > > > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> > > testicular

> > > > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> > > effect

> > > > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes who

> > > says

> > > > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> > > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

July 31, 2006

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:58:16 -0000, you wrote:

>If Lance Armstrong still produces more T than the average man minus

>a testicle and following chemo... then he's freak of nature! One of

>the markers for testicular cancer is a marked increase in

>testosterone. Tumors will often times spike production of T. I've

>had one removed and had radiation for testicular cancer. I'm having

>some serious doubts about a cyclist post-cancer having 4 times the

>normal level. Suppose stranger things have happened.

You need to remember there's a feedback system through FH and LH that

determine when the testes stop producing. It's quite possible that one

testicle could do " double duty " .

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

July 31, 2006

Leydig cell tumors will often show elevated T levels according to my

Oncologist. The levels I ususally have checked are AFP, LDH and a

simple chest x-ray yearly since year 6 post-treatment.

In , " Vickie " <plp40@...> wrote:

>

> If Lance Armstrong still produces more T than the average man

minus

> a testicle and following chemo... then he's freak of nature! One

of

> the markers for testicular cancer is a marked increase in

> testosterone. Tumors will often times spike production of T. I've

> had one removed and had radiation for testicular cancer. I'm

having

> some serious doubts about a cyclist post-cancer having 4 times the

> normal level. Suppose stranger things have happened.

>

> , Bill Taber <trainman199@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for your comments The Lance Armstrong link you provided

> contains information they remeved one testicle.

> > Tel ut do you take T shots to raise your T levels .

> > I brought up ths subject because Lance urune sakple showed a 4

> times above normal for T and there is an isue as to whether or not

> he was doping . He says he naturally produces 4 times a normal man

> So here we have a man with one testice that produces 4 times more

T

> than the average felow

> > I suppose i am wondering how many men who lost one testicle

nned

> T shots to be normal or does the remening testice produce a normal

> level and or 4 time s more in lamce Armstrongs case if we are to

> beleve his statements

> > If and when they get blood from him?? The test results will be

> interesting

> >

> > magenta_1996 <no_reply > wrote:

> > Hi Bill,

> >

> > I can give you a little information about this.

> >

> > As a 19 year survivor of Testicular Cancer, I know a little.

> >

> > Normally you lose only one teste, a few maybe unlucky enough to

> get

> > it twice and lose both testes. The cancer does not spread from

one

> > teste to the other, it will be two separate cases of Testicular

> > Cancer.

> >

> > Testicular is one of the most Curable Cancers, the cure rate is

in

> > the high 90% area.

> >

> > Testes are like Kidneys, you can lose one and still

> > be " Normal " . " Normal " , is a statement made by doctors who don't

> > know anything about your problem.

> >

> > There are two main types of Testicular Cancer, one is treated

with

> > Chemo and the other with Radiation.

> >

> > The problem is that the cure, Chemo/Radiation can damage the

> Leydig

> > Cells of the Teste and the Leydig Cell produce the Testosterone.

> >

> > But like all good stories sometimes we are different and we need

> > help with Testosterone. Sadly the doctors who treat us for

cancer

> > know nothing about hormones, but tell us all is ok because we a

> > still in range.

> >

> > In my case, I still have both Testes and was in range by .8 for

> > several years before changing doctors.

> >

> > If you would like to know about Testicular Cancer visit this

site

> > http://tcrc.acor.org/

> >

> > This is the best site on the web and it's run by a survivor, so

> he'd

> > been there and done it also.

> >

> > I hope I have helped in some small way.

> > Later,

> > Magenta

> >

> > >

> > > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> > testicular

> > > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> > effect

> > > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes

who

> > says

> > > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

July 31, 2006

you could be right, the French only like the French winning

their great race.

How ever, if they base they statement only this ratio and not a

complete blood test, then there is a good possibility for it to be

faulty.

The reason they do this test is the claim it's non-invasive, but I

feel it's more for the cost.

Here they are saving dollars and running a chance of wrecking some

ones career.

Later.

> > > > >

> > > > > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> > > > testicular

> > > > > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as

to

> > > > effect

> > > > > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of

testes who

> > > > says

> > > > > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

July 31, 2006

You could be right , I don't know much about Leydig Cell Tumours

their detection and treatment.

Later.

> > > >

> > > > It just occurred to me Lance Armstrong is a man who beat

> > > testicular

> > > > cancer. Any one have info on cancer damaging testes so as to

> > > effect

> > > > ability to produce T. Here is a man who had cancer of testes

> who

> > > says

> > > > his body naturally produces more T than other folks?

> > > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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