Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I found this DIM FAQ. So just plain DIM is not the same as Indolplex/DIM. http://www.rrpwebsite.org/Indolplex.htm Phil Frequently asked questions regarding Indolplex (renamed Phytosorb- DIM in 4/2000) Submitted by A. Zeligs, M.D. 1. What is DIM? DIM stands for Diindolylmethane: a dietary indole found in cruciferous vegetables and formed spontaneously from the combination (or " condensation " ) of Indole-3-carbinol (I3C), a closely related indole, also present in these vegetables. DIM occurs naturally within the cruciferous vegetable plant after crushing or chewing from the action of plant enzymes from precursors called glucosinolates. DIM is also formed directly from I3C, without enzymes, in an acidic environment such as in our stomachs, when I3C powder is taken as a food supplement. Based on this, DIM is described as a direct and active metabolite of I3C. This is true since in various tests of estrogen metabolism it is DIM, and not I3C, which promotes a shift in the balance of estrogen metabolites. 2. What is the DIM containing product Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM? Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM is a fine-powder formulation which contains pure DIM for use as a dietary supplement. As described above the DIM in Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM is a component of the human diet and is found in all cruciferous vegetables. Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM acts to promote and support a favorable metabolism of estrogen and related hormones. The main function of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM is to overcome the extreme insolubility of DIM and make it absorbable from the human intestine. Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM provides consistent levels and absorption of highly insoluble DIM. The formulation and composition of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM constitute a patent-pending, nutrient delivery system developed by BioResponse. In its production process, BioResponse includes testing of each batch of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM by an independent analytic laboratory. This quality control assures the consistent level and purity of DIM in the product. In addition, BioResponse has established the shelf life stability of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM through testing levels of DIM during exposure to elevated temperature and humidity. This independent laboratory testing has documented at least a 1 year shelf-life during which levels of DIM do not significantly change.Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM can therefore be included in dietary supplements for human consumption to augment the dietary intake of cruciferous vegetable related ingredients. A daily intake of 3-5 servings of vegetables, especially cruciferous vegetables, is recommended by the USDA " Dietary Guidelines for Americans " . Since Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM contains the predominant dietary indole which results from the digestion of cruciferous vegetables, its use as a supplement relates to normal dietary intake from crucifers. Unlike I3C, Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM provides a source of dietary indole which is shelf-stable following mixture and encapsulation or tableting with other dietary supplement ingredients. Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM can augment or replace deficient dailyintake of dietary indoles and contribute to health promotion. 3. How is Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM unique? Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM is differentiated from all other dietary supplements and I3C by the following key points:Indolplex/Phytosorb- DIM with DIM is the only pure dietary indole which is new to the marketplace and introduced in conjunction with a patent-pending nutrient delivery system. Indoles have been proven in a variety of research to be of benefit in estrogen related disorders.Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM provides protection from unwanted estrogen metabolites. Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM promotes the production of 2 hydroxyestrone, a key metabolitein men and women and is an estrogen blocker. Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM provides proven bioavailability of highly insoluble active DIM through action of its patent-pending dosage form and delivery system. 4. How is Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM used as a dietary supplement? The dose range for Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM on a weight basis is from 3-5 mg/kg/day . (One kg is equal to 2.2 lbs.) This is the range in which consistent shifts in estrogen metabolism have been demonstrated. Use by adults at a doses of up to 5 mg/kg/day has been side effect free. To facilitate flexible and appropriate dosage in supplement consumers BioResponse is introducing Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM in both 75 and 150 mg strength capsules. This will allow individuals of different weights to combine capsules of either strength to achieve an Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM dose in the 3-5 mg/kg/day range. It is recommended that individuals with RRP choose a daily dose which is close to 4 mg/kg/day. To be close to 4 mg/kg/day a typical man weighing 70-85 kg would take from 300 to 375 mg per day. A typical woman weighing 60-70 kg would take from 225 to 300 mg per day. Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM is also available in a " Chocolate Sprinkles " form in which the Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM is contained in chocolate granules for a pleasant tasting alternative to be given by spoon or on food. The dose of " Sprinkles " can be individualized with each quarter teaspoon being appropriate for each 16 kg of body weight (approximately 35 pounds). Using a measuring spoon ,this provides 4-5 mg/per kg of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM. The Sprinkles weigh more than the milligrams of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM in capsules because of the addition of the chocolate flavoring and fructose. This formulation is especially appropriate for young children and individuals who do not wish to take capsules. Chocolate Sprinkles are great on cereal, applesauce, ice cream to name a few tasty ideas. Ed. Note--Strikethroughs were made by MG, editor. Since this publication, BioResponse has increased the recommended dosage range, and the numbers given above are no longer relevant. My mild- moderate RRP, for example, is currently being maintained in remission with a 7-8 mg/kg dose, and this is the suggested dose for most RRP patients. [Take your weight, divide by 2.2 and multiply by 7-8. That's the suggested dosage in mg.] MG 9/13/02 Regarding potential side effects: No reported side effects have occurred using Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM in the range of 3-5 mg/kg/day in either adults or children. [Ed. note: click here for potentially important reconsiderations regarding this issue. MG]. Based on the experience of individuals taking I3C at excessive dosage the most commonly reported side effect has been dizziness, head ache, or unsteady gait. We recommend that Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM consumers look for this side effect and reduce dosage if it occurs. 5. Availability of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM? TMThe 150 mg strength Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM capsules will be available by mid-August and contain 60 capsules. The 75 mg bottles contain 90 capsules per bottleand are available now. Both bottles are available for $33.00 per bottle which includes priority mail shipping.Chocolate Sprinkles are now available for $43.00 per bottle which includes shipping. and represents at least a month's supply. As an introductory offer, for every bottle of Chocolate Sprinkles purchased, a second bottlewill be included for FREE. This 2 for one special is a great way to try the Sprinkles. 6. Testing of the formulation of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM products? Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM has been extensively tested in human subjects to establish a consistent shift in urinary estrogen metabolites at the 3 mg/kg/day dose. There are a number of individuals with RRP currently using Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM products with good results. Most importantly there are some individuals with RRP who have failed to have good responses to I3C who subsequently did respond to high doses of pure DIM.Whether individuals with RRP will have a more dramatic or consistent response to Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM over I3C is not known at this time. BioResponse intends to test Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM in individuals with RRP in controlled trials as soon as such research is designed. In the meantime, use of Indolplex/Phytosorb-DIM by RRP individuals will provide useful information. The important point to remember is that the active indole, DIM, is the most potent dietary substance for achieving the desired shift in estrogen metabolites. 7. Present and Future Research? New findings from the research community indicate that there are individuals that possess more or less an inherited or genetically determined ability to respond to dietary indoles with a shift in estrogen metabolism. Whether individuals with RRP are special in this regard is not yet known. The bigger question is whether RRP individuals are somehow more susceptible to as yet unidentified environmental influences that shift metabolism of estrogen or other hormones to make them better " hosts " for the human papilloma virus. This question relates another distinct estrogen metabolite identified as 4-hydroxyestrone, present in low amounts in certain tissues. This metabolite arises from its own class of cytochrome enzymes and is associated with abnormal growth in other estrogen sensitive disorders. In preliminary research, both the responsible enzymes and levels of 4-hydroxyestrone are reduced by DIM and I3C in estrogen sensitive cells in culture. Future research will determine whether individuals with RRP produce elevated levels of 4- hydroxyestrones in papilloma tissue. If increased production of 4- hydroxyestrone is modified due to exposure to environmental substances, new approaches to reducing susceptibility and treating RRP may be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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