Guest guest Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hi You asked whether levels go up twice during a 24 hour period I think. The answer is, sort of! needs a steadier dose rather than a single rise with a slow decline. His 24 hour shifts are probably responsible for much of the way his body uses testosterone. Too many days in a row of using 10mg in the morning caused such a decline that symptoms reappeared by evening. If there is a steady decline it isn't noticable with split doses. The only way to know for sure exactly how much his levels move up and down would be to draw serial levels over a 24 hour period. Judging by how well he does on split doses, I doubt there is much movement in his T level. Be well, Vickie In , " vaiisking1026 " <vaiisking@...> wrote: > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in the > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does that > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use 10mg > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? If so > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that mean > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that case, > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it slowly > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is that > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > God Bless, > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 This is different for each of us you just need to try it and see how you feel. I could not do this because I could not sleep it kept me up. Some men on gels feel very low in 12 hrs. and doing gel 2 x's a day helps. Here is a link that has charts showing what the gel does after you put it on. http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6413 & d=1139879356 I also need to say if on gels you have joint and muscle pain it can be because the gels for some men dose not get the testosteron to them to keep them healthy. I found this out the hard way my pain got so bad I could not walk. Norton posted back to me that he had the same problem on gels and went on shots and the problem was gone. I can't thank him enough for this. I stopped the gels and started on shots and no more pain. Phil vaiisking1026 <vaiisking@...> wrote: Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in the evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does that work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use 10mg gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? If so , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that mean that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that case, doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it slowly drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is that how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? God Bless, Chris --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in the > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does > that > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use 10mg > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? If > so > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that mean > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > case, > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > slowly > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is that > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > God Bless, > > Chris > > > Then, what you are saying is that it is possible that one either, 'burns out' their T store from the initial application, or stores it resulting in a quick daily drop from morning application or the multiple application resulting in a pretty steady T level throughout a day. Plus, wouldn't the latter result in a lower conversion to E2? I'm back onto the gels and because of my prescription mixup, still haven't gotten the correct 7.5mg dose I should be on. The problem is that I only have a supply for 30 days on 5mgs per day. I have been applying it at once in the morning, but find that My first 3-4 hours are ok mood wise , then by lunch (about 2PM for me)I am so tired I sleep in my car. Then when I get home....around 8ish I am becoming alert again. It pretty much is the same routine. My assumption is that the initial dose causes an E2 conversion, burns itself out by lunch, and by evening I am just getting low in both E2 and T resulting in better disposition while pretty tired. Because I know its strange, but my voice is like a measuring stick for me. When my levels are good, I have stronger feeling erections, mood is better than any other time, and my voice is strong. I used to sing so I have a note range that I can sing when I feel good, but when I feel bad, my voice " whispers out " when trying to go that low. In the morning I can sing this key, then after shower and gel...bout an hour later, I can barely sing it. Around 3 hours later, I can't sing it at all, by 6pm I am beginning to be able to sing it, and by evening it is almost there. I probably will benefit from a lower split gel dose don't you think? God Bless, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I think the difference between two doses of gel and one larger dose in the morning are over-emphasized and the symptomatic differences people report often the placebo effect. In Dr Malcolm Carruthers book Androgen Deficiency in the Adult Male (no man who has hypogonadism should not have read this book it is essential reading along with Testosterone Revolution and Testosterone Syndrome) it graphically shows how Androgel affects men's testosterone levels. The one startling thing with Androgel is that it does not behave like natural testosterone at all. The natural circadian hormonal rhythm is completely gone. It is replaced with a very steady state testosterone level. Normal men have peaks and troughs due to the natural circadian hormonal rhythm, men on Androgel just have a steady state level. If the Androgel presented a differing pharmacological pattern of behavior and levels declined in the evening then I would agree that two doses might make some kind of sense, but this is something that does not happen. If you feel bad on Androgel late in the day then you need to look at higher doses or lowering estradiol or SHBG or changing treatment. You can of course split doses if you think it helps you- but I doubt it makes the difference people think it does. Just to add if you are on two doses you will find a greater level of suppression of endogenous testosterone production, should any remain due to the timing of application and you also have a greater chance of suffering from insomnia again given the time of application. > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in the > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does that > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use 10mg > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? If so > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that mean > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that case, > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it slowly > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is that > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > God Bless, > Chris > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Try split dosing. All it can do is not work. Not sure I'd use my voice as a guage to measure the effectiveness of a hormone though. Whatever works I guess :>) has no high-low feelings at all on split doses. His levels are nice and even throughout. I suppose if one never gives levels a chance to dip very low then he would feel " normal. " In , " vaiisking1026 " <vaiisking@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he > > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in the > > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does > > that > > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use 10mg > > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? If > > so > > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that mean > > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > > case, > > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > > slowly > > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is that > > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > > > God Bless, > > > Chris > > > > > > Then, what you are saying is that it is possible that one either, > 'burns out' their T store from the initial application, or stores it > resulting in a quick daily drop from morning application or the > multiple application resulting in a pretty steady T level throughout a > day. Plus, wouldn't the latter result in a lower conversion to E2? I'm > back onto the gels and because of my prescription mixup, still > haven't gotten the correct 7.5mg dose I should be on. The problem is > that I only have a supply for 30 days on 5mgs per day. I have been > applying it at once in the morning, but find that My first 3-4 hours > are ok mood wise , then by lunch (about 2PM for me)I am so tired I > sleep in my car. Then when I get home....around 8ish I am becoming > alert again. It pretty much is the same routine. My assumption is that > the initial dose causes an E2 conversion, burns itself out by lunch, > and by evening I am just getting low in both E2 and T resulting in > better disposition while pretty tired. Because I know its strange, but > my voice is like a measuring stick for me. When my levels are good, I > have stronger feeling erections, mood is better than any other time, > and my voice is strong. I used to sing so I have a note range that I > can sing when I feel good, but when I feel bad, my voice " whispers > out " when trying to go that low. In the morning I can sing this key, > then after shower and gel...bout an hour later, I can barely sing it. > Around 3 hours later, I can't sing it at all, by 6pm I am beginning to > be able to sing it, and by evening it is almost there. I probably will > benefit from a lower split gel dose don't you think? > > God Bless, > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 HMMM, interesting... You read a lot into those books obviously, because the pharmacokinetics of replacement testosterone will differ with you and with the author of those books. Applying androgel twice a day instead of once for a man who works a 24 hour shift is simply mimicing his body's own cycle. While most people are tucked in for the night a firefighter, night worker or whatever is alert. His body's cycle is not average. The circadian rhythm is considering the " average " male who sleeps at night...a time when the body systems restore. People who work strange hours do not follow the average circadian cycle. Any endocrinologist worth his/her salt uses this basic theory in part as a jumping off point when considering hormone replacement for a patient. Knowing one's own body and good communication will take all things into consideration....lifestyles is certainly a consideration. Vickie In , " chis_az " <chis_az@...> wrote: > > I think the difference between two doses of gel and one larger dose > in the morning are over-emphasized and the symptomatic differences > people report often the placebo effect. > > In Dr Malcolm Carruthers book Androgen Deficiency in the Adult Male > (no man who has hypogonadism should not have read this book it is > essential reading along with Testosterone Revolution and Testosterone > Syndrome) it graphically shows how Androgel affects men's > testosterone levels. > > The one startling thing with Androgel is that it does not behave like > natural testosterone at all. The natural circadian hormonal rhythm > is completely gone. It is replaced with a very steady state > testosterone level. Normal men have peaks and troughs due to the > natural circadian hormonal rhythm, men on Androgel just have a steady > state level. > > If the Androgel presented a differing pharmacological pattern of > behavior and levels declined in the evening then I would agree that > two doses might make some kind of sense, but this is something that > does not happen. > > If you feel bad on Androgel late in the day then you need to look at > higher doses or lowering estradiol or SHBG or changing treatment. > > You can of course split doses if you think it helps you- but I doubt > it makes the difference people think it does. > > Just to add if you are on two doses you will find a greater level of > suppression of endogenous testosterone production, should any remain > due to the timing of application and you also have a greater chance > of suffering from insomnia again given the time of application. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in the > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does > that > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use 10mg > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? If > so > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that mean > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > case, > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > slowly > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is that > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > God Bless, > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it > now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in the > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does > that > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use 10mg > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? If > so > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that mean > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > case, > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > slowly > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is that > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > God Bless, > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it > now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Vickie I quote you HMMM, interesting... You read a lot into those books obviously Unquote I'll stop you there Vickie because the above implies that I as someone who has a vast amount of knowledge thanks to the fact that I am extremely well read and experienced on these matters am someone how foolhardy because I have taken the time to educate myself, I find this deeply ignorant and irritating. Yes I do read a lot into these books and I don't think you should try to short change two of the best andrologists in the world or the books that they have written with such an implication when you have not even read what it is you mock. Quote because the pharmacokinetics of replacement testosterone will differ with you and with the author of those books. Unquote Wrong. The graphics were not based upon the author or an individual man but were taken from hundreds of men. Quote Applying androgel twice a day instead of once for a man who works a 24 hour shift is simply mimicing his body's own cycle. Unquote This is categorically 100% wrong!!!! For a start off Androgel does not mimic a man's natural circadian hormonal rhythm or testosterone production whatsoever!!!! It just simply doesn't. Perhaps if you read more you would be aware of the facts, as it is you are just coming to your own completely inaccurate conclusions that are based on thin air. Not only does Androgel not remotely mimic natural testosterone production, putting it on in two doses, with one dose being later in the day; This actually suppresses any endogenous testosterone production because you are elevating testosterone and reducing LH at the exact time that LH would rise in order to increase endogenous production. Having two doses if anything suppresses what it is you claim it mimics- the complete opposite of what you are saying is true. Lastly your partners shift pattern has nothing to do with this dosing schedule you have set up- that is something in your own mind, as I have explained Androgel does not mimic natural testosterone production. The mechanism of Androgel is such that the skin acts as a reservoir for the testosterone which is slowly released into the blood stream. So one dose of Androgel does not mean that it is released in one big go into the blood. One application of Androgel will stay in the system for 24 hours- the pharmacology shows this. Quote While most people are tucked in for the night a firefighter, night worker or whatever is alert. His body's cycle is not average. The circadian rhythm is considering the " average " male who sleeps at night...a time when the body systems restore. People who work strange hours do not follow the average circadian cycle. Any endocrinologist worth his/her salt uses this basic theory in part as a jumping off point when considering hormone replacement for a patient. Knowing one's own body and good communication will take all things into consideration....lifestyles is certainly a consideration. Unquote Vickie please The above might be something you can sell to someone who has a tenth of my knowledge but it isn't something that can be sold to me. You do not know what you are talking about here and are hoping that your words will act as the emperors new cloths and that I will not question what you say. But I will question what you say because I understand the reality and you do not. Irrespective of disturbances in sleep patterns, the circadian hormonal rhythm still for the most part controls how a eugonadal mans testosterone is released- it just does. If a man goes on a strange sleeping pattern he will still tend to have erections in the morning and not on a night irrespective of when he is sleeping. But even here we are talking about a eugonadal man. If a man is on testosterone replacement- specifically testosterone gel like Androgel the natural circadian hormonal rhythm simply does not exist!!! At all- NADA- Nowt!!! I have been a bit tough with my language. But that is because I it totally unreasonable to start a post implying that being educated by reading brilliant andrologists and the facts is somehow foolhardy. I have also spoken the way I have because you have also stated certain things as though facts- but they have not been facts you have been winging it. In fact you have been doing this to such a point that you have tried to BS me in the hope that I won't question what you have said. All in all that is why the language is pretty stark. What happens on a site like this is someone says something with no evidence whatsoever and then other people start repeating that until such time that through a series of Chinese whispers people think certain things are facts when they are in fact completely untrue. I think it is very harmful to try and guess at how things maybe or worse still make things up because you think you might be right….it is just harmful to do that on a site like this…I see it go on all the time and it really is a bad thing. If you and your partner want to continue to dose the gel twice a day….sure that is your prerogative. But don't try and talk about pharmacology or the detail in such matters when you are not remotely aware of the facts involved (shakes head) . > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how he > > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in > the > > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly does > > that > > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use > 10mg > > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? > If > > so > > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that > mean > > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > > case, > > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > > slowly > > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is > that > > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > > > God Bless, > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try > it > > now. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 WOW dont you think this tone is a little unnecessary? Not to mention immature? Everyone is entitled to ones opinion. I dont think it is necessary to blatantly flame someone on a forum such as this! > > > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how > he > > > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in > > the > > > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly > does > > > that > > > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use > > 10mg > > > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? > > If > > > so > > > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that > > mean > > > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > > > case, > > > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > > > slowly > > > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is > > that > > > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try > > it > > > now. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Quote > WOW dont you think this tone is a little unnecessary? Not to mention > immature? Everyone is entitled to ones opinion. I dont think it is > necessary to blatantly flame someone on a forum such as this! Unquote First of all I stated the facts. Secondly I took offense because of what was said to me in the first place- hence the language being tough (not flame). On which note, I did not appreciate it when someone tried to insinuate that I am foolhardy because I have taken a great deal of time to educate myself in reading the facts. I also did not appreciate it when that person make things up to try and push them as facts when they do not know what they are talking about. I feel the language was tough, but like I say it was factual and not a flame. Everything I said was based upon what was said, what I had to correct, what was wrong etc. Thirdly In terms of the expression of opinion, this is very often part of the problem on forums like this. You often have opinion that is represented as fact when it is anything but. This happens a lot because too many people have not read deeply or widely on the subject matter they wish to advise and make statements on. Fourthly What I have done (whether you like the manner I have done it or not) is set the record straight and not allow untrue statements to be passed off as fact- when they are not. Fifthly, untrue statements that are thought to be fact are a hinderence to people getting the best treatment. Finaly; Far too often round here people say things that are not correct/the truth or facts. People make unfounded statements FAR too often and they incorrectly go unchallenged. Over the course of time such statements are taken to be correct/the truth/facts due to chinese whispers and repetition. I see an enormous amount of posts/people on this site willing to give advice on this condition, but how many people have even read the best andrologists and what they have to say on these matters? How many people here have read The Testosterone Revolution, Androgen Deficiency in the Adult Male and The Testosterone Syndrome? How many people have read all three? I see a lot of people who have clearly read none of these tombstones and seriously lack understanding as a result making statements about hypogonadism or the treatments that are completely wrong or flawed. I think this is tiny argument is for me the tip of an iceberg in terms of the amount of information that people pass off as fact on this website. It is one of the reasons why I rarely post here. If people want to have a go at me fine....but remember I was the person who was factually correct in these posts, I was the person slighted in the first place and my point about people offering advice and making errors and poor statements is unfortunately correct. people NEED to read these tombstones and in fact all the works of the top andrologists and endocrinologists if they are to be able to give accurate advice and information with regards to things like pharmacology. What excuse does anyone who has this condition have for not reading widely and deeply about it, especially if they wish to advise others? It is ignorant (in the dictionary sense- not insult) to not read in this manner if you wish to advise others. C) Everyone is not entitled to an opinion when you are refering to facts and what you are saying is not th > > > > > > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how > > he > > > > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in > > > the > > > > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly > > does > > > > that > > > > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use > > > 10mg > > > > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > > > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? > > > If > > > > so > > > > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that > > > mean > > > > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > > > > case, > > > > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > > > > slowly > > > > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is > > > that > > > > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try > > > it > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Well some of this may be a bit much, but I personally don't think that WOMEN or WIVES of those with hypogonadism should be posting on this board. Sorry " Vickie " , but if you are a woman, that includes you. And I don't care if you are doing it for him, or he's not taking action or whatever. I often wonder how many men with low T are married to or their girlfriends are dominant women. Do men with low T attract or " end up " with dominant (high-T) women. OR does marrying dominant women cause some sort of psychological castration of the husbands. This is what I like to tell my wife, that SHE is the cause of my low-T!!! ozzpat <ozzmed@...> wrote: WOW dont you think this tone is a little unnecessary? Not to mention immature? Everyone is entitled to ones opinion. I dont think it is necessary to blatantly flame someone on a forum such as this! > > > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how > he > > > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in > > the > > > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly > does > > > that > > > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use > > 10mg > > > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? > > If > > > so > > > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that > > mean > > > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > > > case, > > > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > > > slowly > > > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is > > that > > > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try > > it > > > now. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 - Sorry but I disagree with you on this. This is a forum free to anyone who wishes to participate. You will not always agree with everyone so if that is the case, just don't read their response. We do not speak negatively to someone on this board. Arkansas Chapman <taylorchapman15@...> wrote: Well some of this may be a bit much, but I personally don't think that WOMEN or WIVES of those with hypogonadism should be posting on this board. Sorry " Vickie " , but if you are a woman, that includes you. And I don't care if you are doing it for him, or he's not taking action or whatever. I often wonder how many men with low T are married to or their girlfriends are dominant women. Do men with low T attract or " end up " with dominant (high-T) women. OR does marrying dominant women cause some sort of psychological castration of the husbands. This is what I like to tell my wife, that SHE is the cause of my low-T!!! ozzpat <ozzmed@...> wrote: WOW dont you think this tone is a little unnecessary? Not to mention immature? Everyone is entitled to ones opinion. I dont think it is necessary to blatantly flame someone on a forum such as this! > > > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how > he > > > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in > > the > > > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly > does > > > that > > > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use > > 10mg > > > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? > > If > > > so > > > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that > > mean > > > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > > > case, > > > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > > > slowly > > > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is > > that > > > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try > > it > > > now. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 > > > > > > > > > > Around a month ago, I spoke with Vickie and regarding how > > he > > > > > splits his dose of Gel to apply half in the morning and half in > > > the > > > > > evening. I had a question for anyone knowing....How exactly > > does > > > > that > > > > > work...bloodwise? I mean, If you take the full amount, lets use > > > 10mg > > > > > gel at once, does it put " x " amount of testosterone into your > > > > > bloodstream as a spike and then slowly degenerate over the day? > > > If > > > > so > > > > > , lets say that the 10mg takes you to a 1000 T level. Does that > > > mean > > > > > that you go from 1000 back down slowly through the day? In that > > > > case, > > > > > doing a 5mgs 2X per day would say put your level at 500 and it > > > > slowly > > > > > drops and you get another 500 dose 4-6 hours later I assume. Is > > > that > > > > > how it works or am I missing some part of the equation? > > > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try > > > it > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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