Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

May 12, 2006

Yes it can cause T levels to go low and some T meds will make apnea worse.

Phil

aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...> wrote:

Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

May 12, 2006

>

> Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

>

Sleep Apena can cause many problems including low T. I was diagnosed

with SA in 1993 went through all the routine before the diagnosis. One

Doc almost had me on the table for a heart operation because of an

irregular heart beat caused from SA.

CPAP did not work for me and had the surgery in 1994 and that changed

my life.

Find a good sleep clinic, ENT, and Uro.

I could go own and own but get your self chedked. It will change your

life if you have SA.

Jack

May 12, 2006

Yes I have read that it can. However I want to ask you how long havre you known

that you have sleep apnea? I have a sister-in-law that just found out that

she has

sleep apnea after years of sleepless nights. She didn't know until just

recently

what her trouble was. She nearly went to sleep driving her car, was off the

road.

I want to say briefly that this is serious stuff. Do you have a machine that

wakens

you when you stop breathing? She has been going through hell lately and she

is

only 61. I won't go into details unless you ask but be sure and find a

machine

to let you know when you stop breathing. Just last week the surgeon who was

going to repair a heart valve found that sleep apnea caused the valve to

malfunction

or back flow and he won't have to operate on her heart after all. She has

gone

through so many things for them to come to the conclusion that sleep apenea

is the root cause of ALL her problems.

Roy

aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...> wrote:

Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

May 13, 2006

Yes is the short answer.

Sleep apnea does lower testosterone levels and in fact can get worse

on TRT.

If you suspect this is a problem you should raise it with your gp.

There is a device used to treat it which you is worn at night.

If you do an internet search you will find more detailed information.

>

> Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

>

May 13, 2006

Actually, the purpose of the machine is to keep you breathing. With sleep apnea

you wake up (but not all the way) every time you stop breathing. With me, it

was about every two minutes. I didn't need a machine to wake me up every two

minutes. My machine keeps me breathing and I'm asleep all night.

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Yes I have read that it can.

However I want to ask you how long havre you known

that you have sleep apnea? I have a sister-in-law that just found out that

she has

sleep apnea after years of sleepless nights. She didn't know until just

recently

what her trouble was. She nearly went to sleep driving her car, was off the

road.

I want to say briefly that this is serious stuff. Do you have a machine that

wakens

you when you stop breathing? She has been going through hell lately and she

is

only 61. I won't go into details unless you ask but be sure and find a

machine

to let you know when you stop breathing. Just last week the surgeon who was

going to repair a heart valve found that sleep apnea caused the valve to

malfunction

or back flow and he won't have to operate on her heart after all. She has

gone

through so many things for them to come to the conclusion that sleep apenea

is the root cause of ALL her problems.

Roy

aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...> wrote:

Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

May 13, 2006

yes i beleive i have sleep apnoea but again its not taken seriously in uk so

doctor wont test me

but also i rarely have had a full nights sleep since as long as i can remember

since a baby or little lad anyway,i normally have 2 hours awake/2 asleep and so

on and i doze 2pm and 6pm most days no matter wehat i am doing ,so does lack of

sleep generally affect testosterone,or does low testosterrone afffect lack of

sleep ??

regards paul

Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

May 13, 2006

Sleep apnea is not insomnia or a lack of sleep but a condition to do

with a lack of oxygen when sleeping due to a blockage of the airways.

TRT can increase sleep apnea in those that suffer from it to begin

with.

TRT can also cause insomnia, particularly if applied late in the

day.

I also think high E2 cause sleep problems, I certainly have had

trouble in that regard when my E2 has been high.

It sounds as though you have trouble sleeping but that does not mean

you have sleep apnea.

Sleep apnea and insomnia can affect testosterone levels, the former

has been demostrated to do so, but if you are on TRT then your own

production shouldn't really be the issue.

So then the issue only relates to whether you are tired or not.

If you keep waking in the night and you think you are waking with a

lack of breath or you hear yourself snore as you wake then that may

be sleep apnea and wopuld need to be looking into.

If you just have trouble sleeping then you need to ensure that you

take your TRT early in the day if your on a gel and enusre your E2

level is not high. Other than that depression can cause sleeping

problems and that should be considered if you are also feeling down.

Sleeping tablets can be prescribed by your gp to help with short

term problems.

For more info see your doctor

>

> yes i beleive i have sleep apnoea but again its not taken

seriously in uk so doctor wont test me

>

> but also i rarely have had a full nights sleep since as long as i

can remember since a baby or little lad anyway,i normally have 2

hours awake/2 asleep and so on and i doze 2pm and 6pm most days no

matter wehat i am doing ,so does lack of sleep generally affect

testosterone,or does low testosterrone afffect lack of sleep ??

>

> regards paul

>

> Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

>

May 13, 2006

its both lack of sleep again throughout my whole life ,heavy snoring which wakes

me again ,doxing off throughout the day and anywhere.

sadly again my doctor will not prescribe me even sleeping tablets,so again am

stuck ,i can buy things prrivately but on social security benefits thats not

very easy,he did try me on some tablets last year for sleeping and i went from

mixed sleeping and waking to total 100 per cwent awake and just could not sleep

at all.

i have reactions to many tablets so guess one reason my doc does not like me

prrescribed anyting.

my last testosterone check was showing 105 nmo/l i think this is i bweleive

around 305 in us terms and in uk is not low enough to get any help.

some of my sleep issues/lack of energy issues are down to add/dyspraxia and

aspergers but some i beleive are down to low testosterone but that is not

recognised by our uk NHS.

next tuesday i get tested again but doc says my testosteron is low side of

normal and perfectly ok,but i sdont think 10.5 nmo/l is at all and as said by

others on here its more like that of an 85 yr old,my 75 yr old dad although also

lacking in energy has and still has more energy than me.

regards paul

Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

Sleep apnea is not insomnia or a lack of sleep but a condition to do

with a lack of oxygen when sleeping due to a blockage of the airways.

May 13, 2006

Most people who have sleep apnea don't ever notice it because they don't wake up

enough to know what's happening. If the doctor won't test you, get somebody to

listen to you while you're asleep. That's how I found out I have it, and then I

got tested. If they year you stop breathing, gasp, and then start breathing

again, you may have it. You could also record yourself.

Go to sleep_apnea/ and ask a few questions.

I've read that low testosterone causes sleep apnea. I've read that sleep apnea

causes low testosterone. The information that comes with most testosterone

replacement medications indicate that using it could cause sleep apnea. Take

your pick

paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: yes i beleive i have sleep apnoea

but again its not taken seriously in uk so doctor wont test me

but also i rarely have had a full nights sleep since as long as i can remember

since a baby or little lad anyway,i normally have 2 hours awake/2 asleep and so

on and i doze 2pm and 6pm most days no matter wehat i am doing ,so does lack of

sleep generally affect testosterone,or does low testosterrone afffect lack of

sleep ??

regards paul

Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

May 13, 2006

yes have done all that makes no differance its hard to get anytihng taken

seriously

all i get is " lose weight "

most of night i sleep but hear things still so i get very little in terms of

full sleep,if with parents they hear my noises sort of choking/snoring at same

time,with head going forth and back they say.

i sleep from about 2 am to 0330 then again from 5 to 7 am ,then perhaps 9-10 am

,then if i sit down someehere or at home then 2pm and around 7 pm.

i was under the impression that lack of sleep was also a key feature in symptoms

of low testosterone.

regards paul

Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

May 13, 2006

Do you feel like sharing info on your surgery?

I was diagnosed with it and went on the CPAP MAchine. later i deceided to try

surgery They took out my UVULA and tightened up some throat area(s)Lazer surgery

Bill

JACKPINNER <jpinner1@...> wrote:

>

> Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

>

Sleep Apena can cause many problems including low T. I was diagnosed

with SA in 1993 went through all the routine before the diagnosis. One

Doc almost had me on the table for a heart operation because of an

irregular heart beat caused from SA.

CPAP did not work for me and had the surgery in 1994 and that changed

my life.

Find a good sleep clinic, ENT, and Uro.

I could go own and own but get your self chedked. It will change your

life if you have SA.

Jack

May 13, 2006

Bill:

When I had my surgery they were just pushing the laser surgery. I

asked my ENT about that he said that was the same surgery 4 or 5

times just do it one time. He also said I would have the SORE THROAT

FROM HELL.

In less than a week I was sleeping better and had a Dream. The Dream

scared the mess out of me, I had not dreamed in 20 years.

Was off work for 2 weeks. The first few days all I could eat was

something Cold.

My Doc removed my uvula and rebuilt my throat. He was well

experinced as he knew just what to do.

12 year later I still do not have to use a CPAP. Only Ocassionaly do

I have a problem and that is when I am real sick.

If anyone is going to have this I recommend the regular surgery by a

skilled ENT I know several people that the laser did not do a good a

result.

The only thing was the SORE THROAT FROM HELL. Lasted a few days. A

small price to pay for the result.

Jack

> >

> > Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

> >

> Sleep Apena can cause many problems including low T. I was

diagnosed

> with SA in 1993 went through all the routine before the diagnosis.

One

> Doc almost had me on the table for a heart operation because of an

> irregular heart beat caused from SA.

> CPAP did not work for me and had the surgery in 1994 and that

changed

> my life.

> Find a good sleep clinic, ENT, and Uro.

> I could go own and own but get your self chedked. It will change

your

> life if you have SA.

> Jack

>

May 13, 2006

Thanks to everyone who has responded to my question about sleep

apnea.

I was tested for Low T a little over a year ago, total T is 200

(scale of 300-1000), so I was subsequently tested for many other

things, had a pituitary MRI, a visit to an endo, etc, etc. My

symptoms are much, much milder than many of you report, and my

bioavailable T is in the normal range. This led the endo and my gp

to suspect there may be an underlying cause.

One night recently, my wife woke up in the night, and honest to God

thought I had died in my sleep.....she could not detect any

breathing. I don't know how long this went on, but it was long

enough for her to panic, begin thinking about what she would do with

her life without me, think about how to tell the kids, etc. She

gave it one last try and shook me, which caused me to wake up and

ask her what in the world was going on. She clung to me like she

was going to pull my skin off!

I went to my gp, filled out a sleep questionairre, etc. My gp

looked in my throat and told me the roof of my mouth hangs much

lower than most people's, and that she wouldn't be the least bit

surprised if that's blocking my airway at night, causing sleep

apnea. I've since been to a sleep specialist, who reached the same

conclusion very quickly, I have an overnight sleep study scheduled,

but I can't get in until July 10.

In the meantime, they have my wife watching how I breathe when I'm

asleep, the other night she said I was going ten seconds between

breaths for a while. I get very tired early in the afternoon, then

it lifts, then it happens again shortly after I get home from work.

I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I believe I've had apnea

for some time, and I believe it is what caused my T level to

nosedive. I'll certainly let the group know what happens from here.

> >

> > Can sleep apnea cause low T levels, or vice versa?

> >

> Sleep Apena can cause many problems including low T. I was

diagnosed

> with SA in 1993 went through all the routine before the diagnosis.

One

> Doc almost had me on the table for a heart operation because of an

> irregular heart beat caused from SA.

> CPAP did not work for me and had the surgery in 1994 and that

changed

> my life.

> Find a good sleep clinic, ENT, and Uro.

> I could go own and own but get your self chedked. It will change

your

> life if you have SA.

> Jack

>

May 14, 2006

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your testosterone level 10.5nmol/l can be treated and will be

treated by quite a few endocrinologists/doctors.

It is odd in the UK it is not so much a postcode lottery as a guess

as to what you will get from one doctor to another.

This is because we have no guidelines in the UK. One doctor is

progressive and will prescribe and another will not....down to each

doctor their feelings or whims.

I know of one bloke getting treated who had 13nmol plus prior to

treatment and I know of men fighting for treatment on levels of

5.5nmol/l.

If your gp isn't helping go and register with another surgery, but

sound out the gps at various surgeries first to find a sympathetic

one who is willing to help you get help.

P.S

And it does sound as though you could have sleep apnea- so you could

get that checked out as well once you have a helpful doctor.

>

> its both lack of sleep again throughout my whole life ,heavy

snoring which wakes me again ,doxing off throughout the day and

anywhere.

>

> sadly again my doctor will not prescribe me even sleeping

tablets,so again am stuck ,i can buy things prrivately but on social

security benefits thats not very easy,he did try me on some tablets

last year for sleeping and i went from mixed sleeping and waking to

total 100 per cwent awake and just could not sleep at all.

>

> i have reactions to many tablets so guess one reason my doc does

not like me prrescribed anyting.

>

> my last testosterone check was showing 105 nmo/l i think this is i

bweleive around 305 in us terms and in uk is not low enough to get

any help.

>

> some of my sleep issues/lack of energy issues are down to

add/dyspraxia and aspergers but some i beleive are down to low

testosterone but that is not recognised by our uk NHS.

>

> next tuesday i get tested again but doc says my testosteron is low

side of normal and perfectly ok,but i sdont think 10.5 nmo/l is at

all and as said by others on here its more like that of an 85 yr

old,my 75 yr old dad although also lacking in energy has and still

has more energy than me.

>

> regards paul

>

> Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

>

> Sleep apnea is not insomnia or a lack of sleep but a condition to

do

> with a lack of oxygen when sleeping due to a blockage of the

airways.

>

May 15, 2006

thanks chris ,we only have one sirgery in my town and if i changed doctor i

would also have to make sure he was reasonably ok on my other problem areas,over

the years due to doctors moving on or retiring i have had a few and to be honest

this one was the first to take my other neurolgoical problems seriusly,i have a

problem understadning things and i come out of the doctorrs losing about 95 perr

cent of what i have just been told.

so although my gp does not support in some areas in others he basically does,he

liases with my learning dissability phycologist and is on my support team amd

was also the initial doctor who signed me off on incapacity benefit,though DWP

doctors have sicne assessed me a couple of times so now he does not have to sign

me off,but i still do get a sign off for insurance company and he although is

supposed to does not charge me for this.

i wish we could self rfer to specialist and not have to go to gps,though good

gps are just general,so we cant expect them to be fully knowledgable in all

areas,thats why we have specialists.

anyway tomorow is test day,we will see what the results are ,being tested at

0900 hrs whih i asked for because i have been told early is best time for

testosterone checking,rresults take a week or so to come back and tthen off to

doctors,this time i will ask him to put all the results of all the blood tests

down on paper,as in fact he still has a problems not understaning how i get

easliy confused and need to have actual facts and figures in front of me and not

just be told,as said lose most of it.

at 40 i have my first proper gf after 18 yrs since my last attempts and i still

have all my phyco sexual and physical sexual problems and still cant perform

intercourse,and still have the lack of energy and a host of other problems,but

luckily with gf i can please her in other ways sexually.

can you also allay my fears ?

i have never felt manly,i have very low self esteem,but i have whats quite

common with my other problems " meltdown rages " whichn though i

scream/shout/swear and throw things/kick things i dont use physical violence ,i

dont hit back ,even if being punched.

it worries me that messing around with my hormones may result in feelings and

actions i have never done before,ie becoming more agressive physically,i wonnder

if i can actually handle the feelings of being " more manly "

so for me first thing is to be taken serriously with the results ie my gp refers

me to a specialist

is that specialist an endrocronologist or do you suggest someone else??

i would then need to disucss the issues with my phycologist and phyciatrist and

nurse,before embarking on actual hormone replacement issues,it would also have

to be some simple easliy monitored replacement,if injections it may actually

have to be a weekly visit to my nurse to give and monitor me,i dont know?

alll the tech stuff on here people keep saying confuses me,lots of

abbreviations,which lose me,i have been woried about testosterone now for 4 yrs

and am still going round in circles as i do with most things,i look take on

board a few facts,then i lose it all again and have to ask peple same questions

again and again,whixh is same i have for most things in life,which is why i have

problems when i was working.

i just wish something in my life i coud actually mover forwarrd on,with no bad

affects,and hopefully this one will be the one.,but as said it would have to be

monitored very closely with me in regard to my mletdown rages and obsessional

behavoiurs i have.

thanks for your time.

regards paul

Re: Tell me about sleep apnea

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your testosterone level 10.5nmol/l can be treated and will be

treated by quite a few endocrinologists/doctors.

It is odd in the UK it is not so much a postcode lottery as a guess

as to what you will get from one doctor to another.

May 15, 2006

Hi ,

The first thing I would do is find a good urologist that has treated men with

problems of erections, (Hypogonadism) or sesual disfunctions. I won't use

abbreviations here so you will unsterstand. Ask the doctor to give you a full

(blood) screening to find out why you are disfunctional. This will tell him

whether to treat you with testosterong or not and find out why it is low, 'if

it is'

You need to know what your total testosterone and free testosterone are.

But you also need to know many other things they can find in a complete

blood workup. He needs to know why your testosterone is low, 'if it is' and

I suspect that it is. This could also maybe stop the rages that you feel as

I used to experience. I have been on testosterone now now for nearly 20

years. I remeber the change in my life.

This is just my humble opinion, others may give you more ideas, but I know

this is where to start out.

Best regards and good luick.

Roy.

paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: