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Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my ferritin test and what I

thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my levels to go

up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of iron

supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I will see him next week

and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems and he said

it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption problems in

general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not absorbing iron,

then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and minerals. Any

feedback?

Judy B.

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Hello Judy,

How's your stomach acid? The acid in the stomach is needed to

ionize the minerals in your food so that they can be absorbed by the

body. Most people w/ FMS are too alkaline in the stomach acid, one

symptom is acid reflux. People tend to think that w/ acid reflux they

get too much acid but actually the acid that is being produced is not

acidic enough to help move things forward, so it sits in the stomach

longer. Anyway you may be interested in the table " Drugs that deplete

vitamins " at

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fms

pres1pg88.php3

It points out some commonly prescribed medications that interfere with

the absorption of some vits. and minerals. Notice that antacids

interfere with iron absorption, as does aspirin.

All the best,

Jim

clements@...

Fibromyalgia: A hypothesis of etiology

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

> Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my ferritin test and what

I

> thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my

levels to go

> up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of iron

> supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I will see him

next week

> and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems and

he said

> it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption

problems in

> general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not absorbing

iron,

> then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and

minerals. Any

> feedback?

> Judy B.

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Judy B.,

I have not followed your earlier iron related posts. If you wish to

do some reading preparation before your next meeting with your doc,

you need to know that there are lots of reasons for anemia and not

just iron deficiency. A doctor will generally go through a diagnostic

algorithm, starting with examining the red cell indices on the CBC

report. Anemia can also be caused by things as various as lead

poisoning, leukemia, and recently even the bacterium H. Pylori. All

these can be very easily sorted out with just lab tests.

Wish you well,

Gail

> Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my ferritin test and what

I

> thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my

levels to go

> up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of iron

> supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I will see him

next week

> and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems and

he said

> it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption

problems in

> general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not absorbing

iron,

> then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and

minerals. Any

> feedback?

> Judy B.

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Now that's an interesting point, I have read a lot about stomach acid

problems with CFS persons and maybe if that's the problem I should be taking

a supplement...what was the thing that Cheney recommends?

Judy

Re: iron absorption

>

> Hello Judy,

>

> How's your stomach acid? The acid in the stomach is needed to

> ionize the minerals in your food so that they can be absorbed by the

> body. Most people w/ FMS are too alkaline in the stomach acid, one

> symptom is acid reflux. People tend to think that w/ acid reflux they

> get too much acid but actually the acid that is being produced is not

> acidic enough to help move things forward, so it sits in the stomach

> longer. Anyway you may be interested in the table " Drugs that deplete

> vitamins " at

>

> http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fms

> pres1pg88.php3

>

> It points out some commonly prescribed medications that interfere with

> the absorption of some vits. and minerals. Notice that antacids

> interfere with iron absorption, as does aspirin.

>

> All the best,

> Jim

> clements@...

> Fibromyalgia: A hypothesis of etiology

> http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my ferritin test and what

> I

> > thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my

> levels to go

> > up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of iron

> > supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I will see him

> next week

> > and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems and

> he said

> > it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption

> problems in

> > general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not absorbing

> iron,

> > then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and

> minerals. Any

> > feedback?

> > Judy B.

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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Dear Gail,

The situation is rather strange as my hgb is low normal (12.7) but my

ferretin levels dont seem to be picking up. The rest of my CBC was perfectly

normal, down the center of the graph in almost everything, low red blood

cells but still in the normal range and they have been lower at times.

Anyhow dont think it's leukemia or lead poisoning, had heavy metal testing.

H. Pylori? Well that's a thought, I had a test for it three years ago and it

was negative, along with a full colonoscopy and endoscopy, that's when they

thought I had IBS, but it went away and the test was ok..so who knows, my

guess is malabsorption with the anemia probem stemming from heavy periods,

who knows...will keep you posted.

Thanks,

Judy

Re: iron absorption

> Judy B.,

> I have not followed your earlier iron related posts. If you wish to

> do some reading preparation before your next meeting with your doc,

> you need to know that there are lots of reasons for anemia and not

> just iron deficiency. A doctor will generally go through a diagnostic

> algorithm, starting with examining the red cell indices on the CBC

> report. Anemia can also be caused by things as various as lead

> poisoning, leukemia, and recently even the bacterium H. Pylori. All

> these can be very easily sorted out with just lab tests.

>

> Wish you well,

> Gail

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my ferritin test and what

> I

> > thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my

> levels to go

> > up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of iron

> > supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I will see him

> next week

> > and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems and

> he said

> > it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption

> problems in

> > general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not absorbing

> iron,

> > then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and

> minerals. Any

> > feedback?

> > Judy B.

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

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Cheney suggests supplementing with Betaine Hydrochloride. The only

brands I have any experience with are " Country Life " which is a tablet

form and " Nature's Life " which is in a capsule. I prefer the capsule

form.

To increase your iron, you may want to get some unsulphered mollasses

and start using that as a sweetner. Your local health food store

should carry some quality brands. You can pick it up with your

hydrochloride.

Hope to hear some good results from you.

All the best,

Jim

> > > Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my ferritin test and

what

> > I

> > > thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my

> > levels to go

> > > up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of

iron

> > > supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I will see him

> > next week

> > > and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems

and

> > he said

> > > it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption

> > problems in

> > > general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not

absorbing

> > iron,

> > > then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and

> > minerals. Any

> > > feedback?

> > > Judy B.

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

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In a message dated 5/24/01 9:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

baumelj@... writes:

>

I think a nickname for the molasses that is rich in iron is " blackstrap " and

it's supposed to be very strong and not the best tasting stuff in the world.

Nothing you would get at the grocery store I don't think.

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Dear Jim,

I have heard about the molasses and wanted to get some, the only thing you

can get in this end of the world is something called " mulsa " which is the

Hebrew word for what I guess is molasses - unsulphured? Who knows? What's

the difference between sulphured and unsulphured? It is better to eat the

molasses of any form than not to eat it at all - can the other kinds hurt

you?

Thanks

Judy

Re: iron absorption

>

> Cheney suggests supplementing with Betaine Hydrochloride. The only

> brands I have any experience with are " Country Life " which is a tablet

> form and " Nature's Life " which is in a capsule. I prefer the capsule

> form.

>

> To increase your iron, you may want to get some unsulphered mollasses

> and start using that as a sweetner. Your local health food store

> should carry some quality brands. You can pick it up with your

> hydrochloride.

>

> Hope to hear some good results from you.

>

> All the best,

> Jim

>

>

>

>

> > > > Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my ferritin test and

> what

> > > I

> > > > thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my

> > > levels to go

> > > > up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of

> iron

> > > > supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I will see him

> > > next week

> > > > and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems

> and

> > > he said

> > > > it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption

> > > problems in

> > > > general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not

> absorbing

> > > iron,

> > > > then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and

> > > minerals. Any

> > > > feedback?

> > > > Judy B.

> > >

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > >

> > >

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You want unsulphered- the sulphered kind is waste product of using sulpher

to create sugar. Good molasses is made from fully ripened 10-14 month old

cane. Blackstrap has less sugar and more iron, but all molasses has a lot of

iron. And it doesn't taste bad- just not as sweet as you think. Good in

baking.

tansy

> Re: Re: iron absorption

>

>

> Dear Jim,

> I have heard about the molasses and wanted to get some, the

> only thing you

> can get in this end of the world is something called " mulsa "

> which is the

> Hebrew word for what I guess is molasses - unsulphured? Who

> knows? What's

> the difference between sulphured and unsulphured? It is

> better to eat the

> molasses of any form than not to eat it at all - can the

> other kinds hurt

> you?

> Thanks

> Judy

> Re: iron absorption

>

>

> >

> > Cheney suggests supplementing with Betaine Hydrochloride. The only

> > brands I have any experience with are " Country Life " which

> is a tablet

> > form and " Nature's Life " which is in a capsule. I prefer

> the capsule

> > form.

> >

> > To increase your iron, you may want to get some unsulphered

> mollasses

> > and start using that as a sweetner. Your local health food store

> > should carry some quality brands. You can pick it up with your

> > hydrochloride.

> >

> > Hope to hear some good results from you.

> >

> > All the best,

> > Jim

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > Hi folks, just spoke to my internist about my

> ferritin test and

> > what

> > > > I

> > > > > thought was good is not good. It turns out that he expected my

> > > > levels to go

> > > > > up from 18 to about 40 or 50 at least in the past 10 weeks of

> > iron

> > > > > supplementation. Instead they only went up to 23. I

> will see him

> > > > next week

> > > > > and he has to test me further, I suggested absorption problems

> > and

> > > > he said

> > > > > it's a possibility. Does anyone know about CFS and absorption

> > > > problems in

> > > > > general and what is suggested? I'm afraid that if I'm not

> > absorbing

> > > > iron,

> > > > > then I'm also not getting anything from my other vitamins and

> > > > minerals. Any

> > > > > feedback?

> > > > > Judy B.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> > with each

> > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> > treatment

> > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > > >

> > > >

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This is the second time now over a 10 months span. I had a severe gout attack

after 2 years of arresting this very painful condition. Gout can manifest as

pseudo gout from CPPD associated with hemochromatosis or as classic gout due to

uric acid levels and purine issues.

As mentioned back in Dec. 2008 I noticed after 2 months of T that my iron levels

had slowed down increasing and I was able to extend the period of having to give

blood.

After 5 months of not giving any blood, and having what I thought was classic

gout, I gave 2 pints in a week and my Fe was border anemic (the target level) at

Fe14. This again supports my claim that the T is somehow affecting hepcidin

(master control hormone of iron found in liver) production thus inhibiting

massive amounts of iron absorption.

I will continue to track this but this is now the second time in a 10 month

span. I think that if Fe stays contained over the next few months that there

needs to be a clinical test prompted at UCLA or one of the universities in the

past that studied hepcidin.

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When I first got sick after an auto accident the Dr.'s I seen would not say what

was wrong with me was do the the accident. I feel this was because of a lawsuit

I had. Anyway the first set of labs done showed me to be Anemic and I was put

on strong Iron pills this did not help me to feel better. I had what looked

like CFS. So I was sent to a blood Dr. this guy was foreign and I could not

understand one word he said. Anyway he redid my labs for Iron but never told me

to stop the iron pills a week before doing them. My levels came back good and

he said I was not Anemic. I now know he was wrong when we found my Ferritin

levels below normal last yr. And looking back at my labs going way back it show

on my CBC that I could be Anemic. I feel I have had this problem from day one

going back some 27 yrs. I had bad times of pain in my feet toes so bad the

sheet hurt them in bed. I was told it was gout it would come and go never knew

what was the

problem. Now on iron pills I don't get this anymore and we did not yet find

out why my Iron levels are low I am not bleeding and don't have digestion

problems. Only thing we found was my Folic Acid was below normal on a blood lab

and at the time I was supplementing Folic Acid. So to get my levels back up we

tired Folacal from Thorne Research. My Folic Acid levels come up but we don't

yet know if this helped my low iron. I lost a lot of blood having heart bypass

sugary and am told it will take a long time for my blood to build back up I had

5 surgery's. So I am still on Iron pills

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Phil

> From: tomubl <ubl@...>

> Subject: Iron Absorption

>

> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 5:24 AM

> This is the second time now over a 10

> months span.  I had a severe gout attack after 2 years

> of arresting this very painful condition.  Gout can

> manifest as pseudo gout from CPPD associated with

> hemochromatosis or as classic gout due to uric acid levels

> and purine issues.

>

> As mentioned back in Dec. 2008 I noticed after 2 months of

> T that my iron levels had slowed down increasing and I was

> able to extend the period of having to give blood.

>

> After 5 months of not giving any blood, and having what I

> thought was classic gout, I gave 2 pints in a week and my Fe

> was border anemic (the target level) at Fe14.  This

> again supports my claim that the T is somehow affecting

> hepcidin (master control hormone of iron found in liver)

> production thus inhibiting massive amounts of iron

> absorption.

>

> I will continue to track this but this is now the second

> time in a 10 month span.  I think that if Fe stays

> contained over the next few months that there needs to be a

> clinical test prompted at UCLA or one of the universities in

> the past that studied hepcidin.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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