Re: High DHEA and Cortisol, Low Luteinizing Hormone and Testosterone ?

[Guest guest]

I am not sure that the Clomid is increasing your depression symptoms -

in fact, as your T moves up (if your testis work), your mood

will/should quickly improve.

HOWEVER, if you do stop the Clomid, do not do so on your own. Ask the

doctor for a taper schedule. You will truly be depressed if you stop

that cold turkey!!

I have had all your symptoms and through Clomid, I have been able to

get rid of many and come off all anti-depressants/anti-anxiety. I

wish the best for you.

Blessings,

Bill

>

> Hi all, I had some blood tests and saliva tests done over the summer

> due to some symptoms I have. I am a 24 year old male.

>

> Depression/Anxiety

> Loss of libido

> Erection problems / Loss of sensation

> Back Pain (mostly low, but sometimes mid)

> Ringing in ears

> Belly fat

> Sleep problems

> Etc.

>

> Here are the results of my labs:

>

> Low:

> Luteinizing Hormone: 0.2 (bottom of the range according to Dr)

> Total Testosterone: 4.8 (2.5 to 11.5)

> Free Testosterone: 14.25 (9.00 to 47.00)

> Cortisol 10:30pm: 0.2 (0.4 to 1.0)

>

> High:

> Cortisol 7:30am: 12.3 (3.7 to 9.5)

> DHEAS: 32.7 (2 to 23)

>

> Normal:

> Estadiol: 0.8 (0.5 to 2.2)

>

>

> Basically, I feel the worst in the morning and usually wake up early,

> anxious due to the high cortisol. But I am completely confused. I have

> searched everywhere as to what exactly this means, and which symptom

> is the cause of the rest.

>

> Which hormone should I focus on fixing first? Currently, I have been

> on Dr. 's Adrenal Fatigue program, taking all of his vitamins,

> along with cortisol controlling herbs such as ashwagandha, relora,

> ginseng, and licorice. I am also seeing a hormone Dr from BodyLogicMD

> in Phoenix. He started me on 25mg Clomid 5 times a week, which I am

> about to stop due to overwhelming crying and depression that it is

> causing me.

>

> I was put on zoloft, then later effexor, to treat stress years ago,

> which I now realize was a huge mistake. The sexual problems are

> directly linked to have taken them, meaning apparent side effects the

> day after starting that have not gone away, so I wouldn't be surprised

> if some of these hormone problems were linked.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Shay

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shay and Welcome.

I don't feel you feel bad first thing in the morning because your Cortisol

levels are above a low upper range they changed this range some yrs. ago. You

did not post your units so it's hard to tell. Are you in the UK.

I have Hypopituitary Problems and my Testosterone, Cortisol, Thyroid, DHEA and

Aldosterone levels are all low. So I supplement them all. 's is a good

book but his supplements did nothing for me and I did them 8 months.

It's hard to tell but your LH being this low with your Estradiol good tells me

you have a Pituitary Problem and should get an MRI on it to rule out a tumor.

I take a good 10 mgs of hydrocortisone " Cortef " to get going in the mornings

because my Cortisol levels are so low when I wake.

Your 10:30 pm cortisol test was on the low side it would be a good idea if you

did a Saliva Test on this that checks 4 x's in a day. Here is a lab I used.

LAB WORK from Canary Club for special prices. The saliva test is for a full

spectrum: thyroid (TSH, free T3, free T4), adrenals (cortisol and DHEA),

estrogen, progesterone, testosterone. You can choose from two lab

facilities–Diagnos Tech (saliva test for $144.50) or ZRT (saliva plus blood spot

test for $199).

thecanaryclub.org/

Yes get off the clomid if it is doing this to you a lot of guys have had this

happen. I don't remember what was causing this but it was something to do with

Estrogen. And you can't check Estradiol or Estrogens until your off Clomid some

4 weeks. And you would do best to come off it slow.

I would not start on Testosterone meds untill you find out why your low be it

Secondary a pituitary problem or low Adrenals and Thyroid most times if you fix

what is causing this your testosterone levels will come back up if your not

Secodary.

Here is a list of labs you need this is taken from Dr. 's site at

www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A Recipe for Success.

• Total Testosterone

• Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely Bound " )

• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)

• DHT

• Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or " sensitive " assay for

males)

• LH

• FSH

• Prolactin

• Cortisol

• Thyroid Panel

• CBC

• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

• Lipid Profile

• PSA (if over 40)

Here are some links to FAQ's on Adrenals and Hypopituitary I have this due to

a bad head injury.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/hypopituitary-faq/

If you need more info just ask.

Shay <mastershay@...> wrote: Hi all, I had some blood tests and

saliva tests done over the summer

due to some symptoms I have. I am a 24 year old male.

Depression/Anxiety

Loss of libido

Erection problems / Loss of sensation

Back Pain (mostly low, but sometimes mid)

Ringing in ears

Belly fat

Sleep problems

Etc.

Here are the results of my labs:

Low:

Luteinizing Hormone: 0.2 (bottom of the range according to Dr)

Total Testosterone: 4.8 (2.5 to 11.5)

Free Testosterone: 14.25 (9.00 to 47.00)

Cortisol 10:30pm: 0.2 (0.4 to 1.0)

High:

Cortisol 7:30am: 12.3 (3.7 to 9.5)

DHEAS: 32.7 (2 to 23)

Normal:

Estadiol: 0.8 (0.5 to 2.2)

Basically, I feel the worst in the morning and usually wake up early,

anxious due to the high cortisol. But I am completely confused. I have

searched everywhere as to what exactly this means, and which symptom

is the cause of the rest.

Which hormone should I focus on fixing first? Currently, I have been

on Dr. 's Adrenal Fatigue program, taking all of his vitamins,

along with cortisol controlling herbs such as ashwagandha, relora,

ginseng, and licorice. I am also seeing a hormone Dr from BodyLogicMD

in Phoenix. He started me on 25mg Clomid 5 times a week, which I am

about to stop due to overwhelming crying and depression that it is

causing me.

I was put on zoloft, then later effexor, to treat stress years ago,

which I now realize was a huge mistake. The sexual problems are

directly linked to have taken them, meaning apparent side effects the

day after starting that have not gone away, so I wouldn't be surprised

if some of these hormone problems were linked.

Thanks,

Shay

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