Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Hello all, Just a question, has anyone tried testogel, and if so, how is ur T holding up?. Cheers Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Your still to high on E2 take one pill a day with the DIM and if it's not Indolplex/DIM take some olive oil put the DIM in it like a tsp and take it with the oil this will keep it from getting killed in your stomach. =================================================== ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 ==================================================== Co-Moderator Phil > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply > > Subject: TESTOGEL > > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:17 PM > Hello all. > > Ive been trying testogel for the 3rd time about a week now. > Im on 50mg (1 pack)/ day. > > I get better energy and i get alot more leg strenght. Im a > cyclist so its pretty apparnt just after a week. However i > get abit enlarged prostate but thats managable with DIM. The > thing is my erection and libido is probably worse of than > before starting Testogel. I get spikes where its like i have > to have sex emidietly. This usually happens about 2-3 hours > after applications. After this points its very difficult to > say whats going on. I loose erection and i have alot less > sensitivy. > > Dim seems to improve symptoms of bph and chest itches but > it also seem to be the reason for my loss of sensitivty and > loss of erection / libido. > > Im not going to low on e2 i think cause im only using 1/2-1 > pill a day. > > Should also ad that the penis feels abit hard and small > even when not erect wich feels weird! > > Any ideas as to whats going on? > > Thanks in advance > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Hey. Thanks for reply. I really dont think im too high on E2. Before going on TRT im at about 12, range (12-45). If i take to much like 2 pills on a day i get a dull cold feeling in my prostate pretty fast that builds in to abit of pain after a couple of hours. Im a propecia long term sideeffect sufferer. Im thinking that DIM also lowers my DHT to low and thats what causing the lack of sensation and bad erections. If i dont take any DIM at all im alot better sexually than if i take alittle bit of dim. Is there another Anti E that do not reduce DHT levels at all? DIM prevents dht to bind at the AR recepetors as i understand it? Any suggestions? Thanks! > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply > > > Subject: TESTOGEL > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:17 PM > > Hello all. > > > > Ive been trying testogel for the 3rd time about a week now. > > Im on 50mg (1 pack)/ day. > > > > I get better energy and i get alot more leg strenght. Im a > > cyclist so its pretty apparnt just after a week. However i > > get abit enlarged prostate but thats managable with DIM. The > > thing is my erection and libido is probably worse of than > > before starting Testogel. I get spikes where its like i have > > to have sex emidietly. This usually happens about 2-3 hours > > after applications. After this points its very difficult to > > say whats going on. I loose erection and i have alot less > > sensitivy. > > > > Dim seems to improve symptoms of bph and chest itches but > > it also seem to be the reason for my loss of sensitivty and > > loss of erection / libido. > > > > Im not going to low on e2 i think cause im only using 1/2-1 > > pill a day. > > > > Should also ad that the penis feels abit hard and small > > even when not erect wich feels weird! > > > > Any ideas as to whats going on? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Yes there is arimidex we cut it into 4 parts and most men do good on 1/4 of a pill .25mgs every 2 to 3 days here is a file I made about using it and not going down to low. =================================================== How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply > > Subject: Re: TESTOGEL > > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:41 AM > Hey. > > Thanks for reply. > > I really dont think im too high on E2. Before going on TRT > im at about 12, range (12-45). If i take to much like 2 > pills on a day i get a dull cold feeling in my prostate > pretty fast that builds in to abit of pain after a couple of > hours. > > Im a propecia long term sideeffect sufferer. Im thinking > that DIM also lowers my DHT to low and thats what causing > the lack of sensation and bad erections. If i dont take any > DIM at all im alot better sexually than if i take alittle > bit of dim. > > Is there another Anti E that do not reduce DHT levels at > all? > DIM prevents dht to bind at the AR recepetors as i > understand it? > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply > > > > Subject: TESTOGEL > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:17 PM > > > Hello all. > > > > > > Ive been trying testogel for the 3rd time about a > week now. > > > Im on 50mg (1 pack)/ day. > > > > > > I get better energy and i get alot more leg > strenght. Im a > > > cyclist so its pretty apparnt just after a week. > However i > > > get abit enlarged prostate but thats managable > with DIM. The > > > thing is my erection and libido is probably worse > of than > > > before starting Testogel. I get spikes where its > like i have > > > to have sex emidietly. This usually happens about > 2-3 hours > > > after applications. After this points its very > difficult to > > > say whats going on. I loose erection and i have > alot less > > > sensitivy. > > > > > > Dim seems to improve symptoms of bph and chest > itches but > > > it also seem to be the reason for my loss of > sensitivty and > > > loss of erection / libido. > > > > > > Im not going to low on e2 i think cause im only > using 1/2-1 > > > pill a day. > > > > > > Should also ad that the penis feels abit hard and > small > > > even when not erect wich feels weird! > > > > > > Any ideas as to whats going on? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Yes read this link about men older men with low T doing Arimidex and getting there T levels back up. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 One can gain 200 to 300 points doing it. http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm In men high Estradiol looks to the brain like it is Testosterone because Estradiol is made from Testosterone and the brain can't tell the diff. between them. So when the brain sees high levels of Estradiol in men it thinks it's Testosterone and slows down sending the message from the pituitary of LH and FSH to the Testis that tells them to make more T. So this is how Dr.'s get it wrong by not testing Estradiol in men. They see labs saying T is low and LH and FSH is low and tell the guy he is Secondary. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply > > > Subject: Re: TESTOGEL > > > > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:41 AM > > Hey. > > > > Thanks for reply. > > > > I really dont think im too high on E2. Before going on > TRT > > im at about 12, range (12-45). If i take to much like > 2 > > pills on a day i get a dull cold feeling in my > prostate > > pretty fast that builds in to abit of pain after a > couple of > > hours. > > > > Im a propecia long term sideeffect sufferer. Im > thinking > > that DIM also lowers my DHT to low and thats what > causing > > the lack of sensation and bad erections. If i dont > take any > > DIM at all im alot better sexually than if i take > alittle > > bit of dim. > > > > Is there another Anti E that do not reduce DHT levels > at > > all? > > DIM prevents dht to bind at the AR recepetors as i > > understand it? > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply > > > > > Subject: TESTOGEL > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:17 PM > > > > Hello all. > > > > > > > > Ive been trying testogel for the 3rd time > about a > > week now. > > > > Im on 50mg (1 pack)/ day. > > > > > > > > I get better energy and i get alot more leg > > strenght. Im a > > > > cyclist so its pretty apparnt just after a > week. > > However i > > > > get abit enlarged prostate but thats > managable > > with DIM. The > > > > thing is my erection and libido is probably > worse > > of than > > > > before starting Testogel. I get spikes where > its > > like i have > > > > to have sex emidietly. This usually happens > about > > 2-3 hours > > > > after applications. After this points its > very > > difficult to > > > > say whats going on. I loose erection and i > have > > alot less > > > > sensitivy. > > > > > > > > Dim seems to improve symptoms of bph and > chest > > itches but > > > > it also seem to be the reason for my loss > of > > sensitivty and > > > > loss of erection / libido. > > > > > > > > Im not going to low on e2 i think cause im > only > > using 1/2-1 > > > > pill a day. > > > > > > > > Should also ad that the penis feels abit > hard and > > small > > > > even when not erect wich feels weird! > > > > > > > > Any ideas as to whats going on? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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