Re: need help re: interpreting blood test results- Australia

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony and welcome. Your Estradiol is to high and if you don't get it down

lower and keep it down I feel you gynecomastia can come back. We here in the US

try to keep are E2 Estradiol down between 10 to 30 pg/ml so if you can convert

your test you will see your over 45 I don't know how to convert it but one of

the guys I talk to did his it was 137 and he was high. Yes post you test levels

get copys of your tests and allways get a copy. So the ranges and units. Here

is a link that shows your Total and Free T should be in the upper 1/3 of your

labs range for a young man and your E2 should be between 10 to 30 for any age

man. A lot of Dr.'s don't know how to read a range and tell the men that they

are ok because there in the normal range. Yet they fal to see that the sample

is taken from all of the men they tested age say 10 to 100 so when a Dr. sees a

man in the low to mid normal range yes it is noraml but for a man over 80 yrs.

old.

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

Here is a link that has levels by age.

http://www.natural-hrt.com/andropause04.html

Phil

tonysopranostheboss <tonysopranostheboss@...> wrote:

Hi there fellas,

Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of gynecomastia for

about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for no real

reason other than all-round health benefits.

I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels

prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me back

later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the best

answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and levels

of the items I had asked him to test for.

ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free androgen

now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

(I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they all

seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is that he

said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS. is <160

(whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt specify

if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for a guy

whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

what is your consensus ?

and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

potential problems relating to these test results before I have

gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo if

possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

tomorrow if that helps.

many thanks in advance fellas...

Tony

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony

Welcome and greetings from England!

Let's wait to get the exact results if you will have them tomorrow.

Take care

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

need help re: interpreting blood test results-

australia

> Hi there fellas,

> Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

> I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of gynecomastia for

> about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

> I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for no real

> reason other than all-round health benefits.

>

> I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels

> prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me back

> later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the best

> answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and levels

> of the items I had asked him to test for.

> ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free androgen

>

> now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

> (I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they all

> seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is that he

> said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS. is <160

> (whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt specify

> if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

>

> now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for a guy

> whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

>

> what is your consensus ?

> and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

> potential problems relating to these test results before I have

> gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo if

> possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

>

> I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

> tomorrow if that helps.

>

> many thanks in advance fellas...

> Tony

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Tony - and Welcome to the group.

Yes we really need to see your results and ranges to make an educated guess.

Initially, since you have had bouts with Gyno and your E2 is high, I would

suggest an aromatase inhibitor which will reduce the E2 and increase the T in

your case. Most popular here in the states is Arimidex which must be prescribed

and is really strong. Is your libido OK and erections OK - If this is the case

then your T probably is OK.

My 2 cents - Arkansas

tonysopranostheboss <tonysopranostheboss@...> wrote:

Hi there fellas,

Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of gynecomastia for

about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for no real

reason other than all-round health benefits.

I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels

prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me back

later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the best

answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and levels

of the items I had asked him to test for.

ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free androgen

now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

(I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they all

seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is that he

said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS. is <160

(whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt specify

if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for a guy

whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

what is your consensus ?

and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

potential problems relating to these test results before I have

gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo if

possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

tomorrow if that helps.

many thanks in advance fellas...

Tony

[Guest guest]

Hey again fellas,

Im back with the actual results ( though my gp thinks Im a total

hypochondriac for requesting these, since the results he got were

all " normal " )

here they are: (keep in mind that these are the results of

australian pathological testing methods)

-prolactin 155 mIU/L (0-500) , abbott method

-fsh - 3.3 U/L (male 1.0-9.2)

-lh - 1.8 U/L (male 2.0-8.0)

- testosterone - 18.2 nmol/L (ref adult 8.0-38.0)

-shbg - 31 nmol/L ( 10 -50)

- free androgen index - 59 % ( 20-130)

- oestradiol 158 pmol/L (male <160) - roche method

I have no clue about any of this kinda stuff, though going on what

Ive read about having estradiol in the bottom 2/3 of the range, I

could tell thaT WAS high immediately (even though the gp, re-

iterated to me that in the range is still " in the range " - tssk)

ps: could these tests have been affected by things such as

diet,sleep,last occasion of ejaculation, vitamins etc. on the

testing day ?

SO WHAT do u guys make of them??

any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

many thanks

Tony

> Hi there fellas,

> Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

> I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of gynecomastia

for

> about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

> I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for no

real

> reason other than all-round health benefits.

>

> I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels

> prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me back

> later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the best

> answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and

levels

> of the items I had asked him to test for.

> ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free

androgen

>

> now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

> (I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they all

> seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is that

he

> said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS. is

<160

> (whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt

specify

> if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

>

> now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for a guy

> whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

>

> what is your consensus ?

> and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

> potential problems relating to these test results before I have

> gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo if

> possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

>

> I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

> tomorrow if that helps.

>

> many thanks in advance fellas...

> Tony

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony

So far all we have about your medical history and symptoms is " > I just had

a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels prior to having

gynecomastia surgery "

The overall blood tests are not showing any significant disorder and so one

needs to know your symtpoms. Also can you confirm if you have taken any

hormones such as TRT prior?

The endocrine system is extensive and includes many different sub-systems

and so currently only a small part has been tested and even that has not

been investigated in detail yet..

Lets have some medical history and what symptoms you are suffering and how

frequent / how severe. This might allow us to direct you for other tests

other areas.

How this helps?

Kind regards,

Re: need help re: interpreting blood test results-

australia

> Hey again fellas,

> Im back with the actual results ( though my gp thinks Im a total

> hypochondriac for requesting these, since the results he got were

> all " normal " )

>

> here they are: (keep in mind that these are the results of

> australian pathological testing methods)

>

>

> -prolactin 155 mIU/L (0-500) , abbott method

>

> -fsh - 3.3 U/L (male 1.0-9.2)

>

> -lh - 1.8 U/L (male 2.0-8.0)

>

> - testosterone - 18.2 nmol/L (ref adult 8.0-38.0)

>

> -shbg - 31 nmol/L ( 10 -50)

>

> - free androgen index - 59 % ( 20-130)

>

> - oestradiol 158 pmol/L (male <160) - roche method

>

> I have no clue about any of this kinda stuff, though going on what

> Ive read about having estradiol in the bottom 2/3 of the range, I

> could tell thaT WAS high immediately (even though the gp, re-

> iterated to me that in the range is still " in the range " - tssk)

>

> ps: could these tests have been affected by things such as

> diet,sleep,last occasion of ejaculation, vitamins etc. on the

> testing day ?

>

> SO WHAT do u guys make of them??

> any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

>

> many thanks

>

> Tony

>

>

>> Hi there fellas,

>> Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

>> I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of gynecomastia

> for

>> about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

>> I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for no

> real

>> reason other than all-round health benefits.

>>

>> I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels

>> prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me back

>> later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the best

>> answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and

> levels

>> of the items I had asked him to test for.

>> ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free

> androgen

>>

>> now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

>> (I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they all

>> seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is that

> he

>> said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS. is

> <160

>> (whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt

> specify

>> if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

>>

>> now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for a guy

>> whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

>>

>> what is your consensus ?

>> and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

>> potential problems relating to these test results before I have

>> gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo if

>> possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

>>

>> I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

>> tomorrow if that helps.

>>

>> many thanks in advance fellas...

>> Tony

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes you T is in the normal range but for a 75 to 80 yr. old man. Your Dr. is

one of many that does not know about the bell curve and the lab makes there

range from all the tests done on all the men the did blood work for from age 10

to 100. Your range is in the bottom say 15% not normal for your age.

http://www.natural-hrt.com/andropause04.html

He thinks your hypochondriac but he needs to brush up on his math. I feel you

could bring up your T levels by getting you E2 down my Dr. has has some success

doing this by treating the high E2 getting it down will bring up the T levels

for are units some 200 to 300 points.

Try getting some Indolplex/DIM from this site they send all over the world it

may take 4 to 6 weeks to get it but it works. Start taking one half a tablet a

day and if your get some real hard morning wood then you know you got your E2

down. If you lose it you went to low stop taking it and when the wood comes

back go back on it but cut the dose in half. Keep doing this until you find the

right dose.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

And take some TMG with it DIM converts E2 into good E's and TMG helps the

liver wash them out of your body.

http://www.myvitanet.com/tmgtr75120ca.html

Also take some Zinc/Copper 50 mgs of Zinc to 2 mgs of Copper.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Phil

tonysopranostheboss <tonysopranostheboss@...> wrote: Hey again fellas,

Im back with the actual results ( though my gp thinks Im a total

hypochondriac for requesting these, since the results he got were

all " normal " )

here they are: (keep in mind that these are the results of

australian pathological testing methods)

-prolactin 155 mIU/L (0-500) , abbott method

-fsh - 3.3 U/L (male 1.0-9.2)

-lh - 1.8 U/L (male 2.0-8.0)

- testosterone - 18.2 nmol/L (ref adult 8.0-38.0)

-shbg - 31 nmol/L ( 10 -50)

- free androgen index - 59 % ( 20-130)

- oestradiol 158 pmol/L (male <160) - roche method

I have no clue about any of this kinda stuff, though going on what

Ive read about having estradiol in the bottom 2/3 of the range, I

could tell thaT WAS high immediately (even though the gp, re-

iterated to me that in the range is still " in the range " - tssk)

ps: could these tests have been affected by things such as

diet,sleep,last occasion of ejaculation, vitamins etc. on the

testing day ?

SO WHAT do u guys make of them??

any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

many thanks

Tony

> Hi there fellas,

> Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

> I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of gynecomastia

for

> about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

> I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for no

real

> reason other than all-round health benefits.

>

> I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels

> prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me back

> later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the best

> answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and

levels

> of the items I had asked him to test for.

> ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free

androgen

>

> now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

> (I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they all

> seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is that

he

> said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS. is

<160

> (whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt

specify

> if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

>

> now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for a guy

> whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

>

> what is your consensus ?

> and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

> potential problems relating to these test results before I have

> gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo if

> possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

>

> I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

> tomorrow if that helps.

>

> many thanks in advance fellas...

> Tony

>

[Guest guest]

Hi guys, many thanks for the feedback thus far. much appreciated.

So as far as my blood results go,the general consensus is that all

items are normal except for the high estradiol, and possibly the

shbg too, correct?

although my estradiol is 158 pmol/L (male <160), this is very near

crossing over the line for a male, and it shouldnt be above the

lower third of the range anyway...

again,More stats about me. I am 25 years old. I am 5 " 8ft tall and

weigh between 135-145 pounds. I have also taken 25mg of zinc daily

for 18 months as well as a multivitamin. I dont use any recreational

or other drugs , and only drink alcohol once or twice a month,

though i do drink to get drunk when I drink.

I have also been taking ibuprofen tablets fairly regularly (once or

twice weekly or bi-weekly) following a severe shoulder dislocation

18 months ago.

I do work our regularly , both with weights and cardio,play tennis

and would consider myself very fit. Have never used any steroids or

hormones of any kind,but smoked a lot of dope as a teen, which I

havent used in about 4-5 years. [ I hope thats all comprehensive

enough history]

before seeing the test results of last week (seen below in this

thread) I would never have suspected a hormonal imbalance.The only

symptoms I have had was gynecomastia, that I had removed a year ago.

It had been stable (not growing, at least noticeably) for 3 years ,

and there have been no signs of regrowth since my surgery 12 months

ago. Also have been somewhat depressed for the last couple of years,

though I could eassily put that down directly to the torment of

having lived with gynecomastia (and still needing a minor revision

for subsequent surgical scarring)

So Im just wondering.... Is it best to get my gp to refer me to an

endo , before trying to correct the issue myself ?- I mean I would

like to get to the bottom of why my estradiol is elevated , rather

than just correcting it without understanding why.

and would treatment options for reducing my estradiol be likely to

involve having to take pills,supps,etc forever and ever, or is it

the type of thing where you take them to lower the level and then

thats it ? ie: once its lowered,its lowered and one can stop taking

medication/supps??

Thanks so much in advance fellas,

Im pretty much in the dark here, so far as hormone issues and levels

go. Its the first time I have even entertained the possibility of

having an imbalance, following past blood tests results being

relayed back to me as " normal "

cheers,again..

Tony

ps: are there any other overt symptoms of Elevated Estradiol alone,

that I should be on the lookout for??

>

> Hi Tony

>

> So far all we have about your medical history and symptoms is " > I

just had

> a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels prior to

having

> gynecomastia surgery "

>

> The overall blood tests are not showing any significant disorder

and so one

> needs to know your symtpoms. Also can you confirm if you have

taken any

> hormones such as TRT prior?

>

> The endocrine system is extensive and includes many different sub-

systems

> and so currently only a small part has been tested and even that

has not

> been investigated in detail yet..

>

> Lets have some medical history and what symptoms you are suffering

and how

> frequent / how severe. This might allow us to direct you for other

tests

> other areas.

>

> How this helps?

>

> Kind regards,

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: need help re: interpreting blood test

results-

> australia

>

>

> > Hey again fellas,

> > Im back with the actual results ( though my gp thinks Im a total

> > hypochondriac for requesting these, since the results he got were

> > all " normal " )

> >

> > here they are: (keep in mind that these are the results of

> > australian pathological testing methods)

> >

> >

> > -prolactin 155 mIU/L (0-500) , abbott method

> >

> > -fsh - 3.3 U/L (male 1.0-9.2)

> >

> > -lh - 1.8 U/L (male 2.0-8.0)

> >

> > - testosterone - 18.2 nmol/L (ref adult 8.0-38.0)

> >

> > -shbg - 31 nmol/L ( 10 -50)

> >

> > - free androgen index - 59 % ( 20-130)

> >

> > - oestradiol 158 pmol/L (male <160) - roche method

> >

> > I have no clue about any of this kinda stuff, though going on

what

> > Ive read about having estradiol in the bottom 2/3 of the range, I

> > could tell thaT WAS high immediately (even though the gp, re-

> > iterated to me that in the range is still " in the range " - tssk)

> >

> > ps: could these tests have been affected by things such as

> > diet,sleep,last occasion of ejaculation, vitamins etc. on the

> > testing day ?

> >

> > SO WHAT do u guys make of them??

> > any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > many thanks

> >

> > Tony

> >

> >

> >> Hi there fellas,

> >> Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

> >> I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of

gynecomastia

> > for

> >> about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

> >> I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for no

> > real

> >> reason other than all-round health benefits.

> >>

> >> I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone

levels

> >> prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me

back

> >> later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the

best

> >> answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and

> > levels

> >> of the items I had asked him to test for.

> >> ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free

> > androgen

> >>

> >> now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

> >> (I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they all

> >> seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is

that

> > he

> >> said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS. is

> > <160

> >> (whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt

> > specify

> >> if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

> >>

> >> now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for a

guy

> >> whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

> >>

> >> what is your consensus ?

> >> and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

> >> potential problems relating to these test results before I have

> >> gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo if

> >> possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

> >>

> >> I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

> >> tomorrow if that helps.

> >>

> >> many thanks in advance fellas...

> >> Tony

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

anyone able to provide some insight..?

> >

> > Hi Tony

> >

> > So far all we have about your medical history and symptoms is " >

I

> just had

> > a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels prior to

> having

> > gynecomastia surgery "

> >

> > The overall blood tests are not showing any significant disorder

> and so one

> > needs to know your symtpoms. Also can you confirm if you have

> taken any

> > hormones such as TRT prior?

> >

> > The endocrine system is extensive and includes many different

sub-

> systems

> > and so currently only a small part has been tested and even that

> has not

> > been investigated in detail yet..

> >

> > Lets have some medical history and what symptoms you are

suffering

> and how

> > frequent / how severe. This might allow us to direct you for

other

> tests

> > other areas.

> >

> > How this helps?

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: need help re: interpreting blood

test

> results-

> > australia

> >

> >

> > > Hey again fellas,

> > > Im back with the actual results ( though my gp thinks Im a

total

> > > hypochondriac for requesting these, since the results he got

were

> > > all " normal " )

> > >

> > > here they are: (keep in mind that these are the results of

> > > australian pathological testing methods)

> > >

> > >

> > > -prolactin 155 mIU/L (0-500) , abbott method

> > >

> > > -fsh - 3.3 U/L (male 1.0-9.2)

> > >

> > > -lh - 1.8 U/L (male 2.0-8.0)

> > >

> > > - testosterone - 18.2 nmol/L (ref adult 8.0-38.0)

> > >

> > > -shbg - 31 nmol/L ( 10 -50)

> > >

> > > - free androgen index - 59 % ( 20-130)

> > >

> > > - oestradiol 158 pmol/L (male <160) - roche method

> > >

> > > I have no clue about any of this kinda stuff, though going on

> what

> > > Ive read about having estradiol in the bottom 2/3 of the

range, I

> > > could tell thaT WAS high immediately (even though the gp, re-

> > > iterated to me that in the range is still " in the range " -

tssk)

> > >

> > > ps: could these tests have been affected by things such as

> > > diet,sleep,last occasion of ejaculation, vitamins etc. on the

> > > testing day ?

> > >

> > > SO WHAT do u guys make of them??

> > > any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > many thanks

> > >

> > > Tony

> > >

> > >

> > >> Hi there fellas,

> > >> Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

> > >> I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of

> gynecomastia

> > > for

> > >> about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8 ft.

> > >> I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months, for

no

> > > real

> > >> reason other than all-round health benefits.

> > >>

> > >> I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone

> levels

> > >> prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned me

> back

> > >> later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not the

> best

> > >> answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges and

> > > levels

> > >> of the items I had asked him to test for.

> > >> ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone , free

> > > androgen

> > >>

> > >> now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

> > >> (I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though they

all

> > >> seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall is

> that

> > > he

> > >> said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in AUS.

is

> > > <160

> > >> (whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he didnt

> > > specify

> > >> if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

> > >>

> > >> now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing, for

a

> guy

> > >> whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

> > >>

> > >> what is your consensus ?

> > >> and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve any

> > >> potential problems relating to these test results before I

have

> > >> gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an endo

if

> > >> possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

> > >>

> > >> I can go and collect the exact test results and post them here

> > >> tomorrow if that helps.

> > >>

> > >> many thanks in advance fellas...

> > >> Tony

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

I sent you a long post and I guess it did not go through.

Here in the US for me Endo's are not good at low T and high

Estradiol. So for what that is worth.

You need to get on Testosterone meds I would start on the gel. Some

times when you get your T levels up your Estradiol balances out or

should I say the ratio gets better. Your Estradiol is very high.

158 is 45.6 in US units you should be between 10 to 30 in US units.

Here is a converter.

http://www.get-back-on-track.com/en/tools/umrechner.php

Your Total T 18.2 = 525 in US units normal for a man 65 to 74 yrs.

old here is a link that has T ranges by age.

http://www.natural-hrt.com/andropause04.html

No your test will not be affected by what you did.

For you I would try getting your Estradiol down first doing this can

bring up you Total T some 200 to 300 point in US units.

Here is a link.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

This could put you up over the upper 1/3 of your labs range. You

see high Estradiol takes up the space in the Leydig cell so the T

can't get in. So when your brain checks your T it thinks the

Estradiol is T it can't tell the difference. So your brain does not

send the LH to your Testis and Leydig cells to make T. And you end

up low. A good link to read.

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

If you can't get your Dr. to give you Arimidex start at one half a

one mg. pill every 3 days. Get some Indolplex/DIM it is sold OTC

here and they send all over the world.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

Start with one tablet a day when your Estradiol starts to come down

your libido will go why up and you will get some real hard morning

wood the kind that wakes you up. keep taking it but if your libido

stops and the wood stops this means you went to low. When your

libido and wood comes back go back on it but cut the tablet in

half. Keep doing this until you find the right dose.

Phil

> > >

> > > Hi Tony

> > >

> > > So far all we have about your medical history and symptoms

is " >

> I

> > just had

> > > a blood test done last week to check my hormone levels prior

to

> > having

> > > gynecomastia surgery "

> > >

> > > The overall blood tests are not showing any significant

disorder

> > and so one

> > > needs to know your symtpoms. Also can you confirm if you have

> > taken any

> > > hormones such as TRT prior?

> > >

> > > The endocrine system is extensive and includes many different

> sub-

> > systems

> > > and so currently only a small part has been tested and even

that

> > has not

> > > been investigated in detail yet..

> > >

> > > Lets have some medical history and what symptoms you are

> suffering

> > and how

> > > frequent / how severe. This might allow us to direct you for

> other

> > tests

> > > other areas.

> > >

> > > How this helps?

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: need help re: interpreting blood

> test

> > results-

> > > australia

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hey again fellas,

> > > > Im back with the actual results ( though my gp thinks Im a

> total

> > > > hypochondriac for requesting these, since the results he got

> were

> > > > all " normal " )

> > > >

> > > > here they are: (keep in mind that these are the results of

> > > > australian pathological testing methods)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -prolactin 155 mIU/L (0-500) , abbott method

> > > >

> > > > -fsh - 3.3 U/L (male 1.0-9.2)

> > > >

> > > > -lh - 1.8 U/L (male 2.0-8.0)

> > > >

> > > > - testosterone - 18.2 nmol/L (ref adult 8.0-38.0)

> > > >

> > > > -shbg - 31 nmol/L ( 10 -50)

> > > >

> > > > - free androgen index - 59 % ( 20-130)

> > > >

> > > > - oestradiol 158 pmol/L (male <160) - roche method

> > > >

> > > > I have no clue about any of this kinda stuff, though going

on

> > what

> > > > Ive read about having estradiol in the bottom 2/3 of the

> range, I

> > > > could tell thaT WAS high immediately (even though the gp, re-

> > > > iterated to me that in the range is still " in the range " -

> tssk)

> > > >

> > > > ps: could these tests have been affected by things such as

> > > > diet,sleep,last occasion of ejaculation, vitamins etc. on the

> > > > testing day ?

> > > >

> > > > SO WHAT do u guys make of them??

> > > > any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > many thanks

> > > >

> > > > Tony

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >> Hi there fellas,

> > > >> Im tony from Australia , and this is my first post here.

> > > >> I am 25 and have had stable and rather minor case of

> > gynecomastia

> > > > for

> > > >> about 4-5 years. Im about 140 or so pounds and around 5'8

ft.

> > > >> I have also been taking a zinc supp daily for 18 months,

for

> no

> > > > real

> > > >> reason other than all-round health benefits.

> > > >>

> > > >> I just had a blood test done last week to check my hormone

> > levels

> > > >> prior to having gynecomastia surgery and my gp telephoned

me

> > back

> > > >> later saying everything was " normal " . I knew that was not

the

> > best

> > > >> answer to get , so I asked for the actual reference ranges

and

> > > > levels

> > > >> of the items I had asked him to test for.

> > > >> ie: lh,fsh,prolaction, shbg, oestradial , testosterone ,

free

> > > > androgen

> > > >>

> > > >> now I dont remember the exact figures he told me

> > > >> (I never wrote anything down - stupid I know!) , though

they

> all

> > > >> seemed to be mid-range figures, but one thing I do recall

is

> > that

> > > > he

> > > >> said my estradiol was 158 and the male-ref-range here in

AUS.

> is

> > > > <160

> > > >> (whatever the australian unit of measurement is), but he

didnt

> > > > specify

> > > >> if this was an age-specific figure or whatnot.

> > > >>

> > > >> now Im thinking this is way too high to be a good thing,

for

> a

> > guy

> > > >> whos 25, and otherwise very healthy and fit.

> > > >>

> > > >> what is your consensus ?

> > > >> and what is the next step for me? I would like to resolve

any

> > > >> potential problems relating to these test results before I

> have

> > > >> gynecomastia surgery in 6 weeks time , without seeing an

endo

> if

> > > >> possible - due to the huge cost of such a consult.

> > > >>

> > > >> I can go and collect the exact test results and post them

here

> > > >> tomorrow if that helps.

> > > >>

> > > >> many thanks in advance fellas...

> > > >> Tony

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >