Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. I am 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I started treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido and overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was changed to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, when last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 ng/dl. My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that great, so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do get nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it with little effort. Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of the middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to take the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My wife and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk since beginning therapy. One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I hav since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hi and Welcome, Yes you should see about getting you levels up in the upper 1/3 of your labs range. How much androgel are you using and how long have you been on it. I have talked to other men that have had the same problem with acne. Most switched to shots every week. Yes we do take other meds Viagra is ok but my Dr. put me on Cialis 20 mgs. every 72 hrs. I had bad ED and it was from high Estradiol " E2 " you need to have this checked and if it is high getting it down will in prove your sex life and bring your libido up not to say how much better you will feel on TRT. We take Zinc/Copper to help keep the testis healthy and the E2 down. http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG Update. This for me is the best treatment out there. I started on this one yr. ago and today feel my best ever after being on TRT for over 22 yrs. I am sorry I can't give you more info I woke up sick with the flue it is coming out both ends and I am running a 100 temp. Just don't know what to do with my self. Phil safetyman2010 <safetyman2010@...> wrote: This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. I am 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I started treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido and overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was changed to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, when last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 ng/dl. My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that great, so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do get nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it with little effort. Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of the middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to take the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My wife and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk since beginning therapy. One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I hav since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hey Safetyman, For me, shots have been so much better than the gels or patches. I do 60-80 mgs every 7 days, 0.25 mg arimidex on day of the shot. This has helped libido and erections and well being. Also have lost fat and gained muscle. As far as ED goes, this is not completely corrected so I took a lead from Phil and got my Doc to prescribe Cialis. I get the 20 mg and cut them into fourths and take a 5 mg 2 times a week. Just keeps things more rigid. The higher T allowed for erections when needed but the Cialis gives it an extra kick! As far as the acne - with a total T in the 4-500 range, this should not give you acne - sounds more like a skin reaction. The alcohol in androgel really dries the skin out. Arkansas safetyman2010 <safetyman2010@...> wrote: This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. I am 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I started treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido and overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was changed to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, when last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 ng/dl. My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that great, so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do get nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it with little effort. Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of the middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to take the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My wife and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk since beginning therapy. One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I hav since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 I am applying a 5 gm pack of Androgel each morning. My doc did not chech much other than Total T and LH and FSH. All are low. I just downloaded and read several documents for AllThingsMale.com. I plan to discuss them w/my doc to see if we can 1-find out why I went hypo 2-monitor more of my hormone levels more often 3-get my T level higher. In the past all he has been concerned about is that I am feeling better and my libido has improved. I asked about an underlying condition and he was not concerned. I still am concerned. SafetyMan This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. I am > 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first > diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I started > treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido and > overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm > patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was changed > to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, when > last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 > ng/dl. > > My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved > since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that great, > so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do get > nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it > with little effort. > > Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of the > middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like > many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- > levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to take > the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My wife > and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. > > I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they > supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so > proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk > since beginning therapy. > > One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and > back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I hav > since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Great the more you learn about this the better off you will be most Dr.'s are not up on testing or treating this and all they know about it is what the drug reps tell them. What are your levels on 5 g's of gel. Phil safetyman2010 <safetyman2010@...> wrote: I am applying a 5 gm pack of Androgel each morning. My doc did not chech much other than Total T and LH and FSH. All are low. I just downloaded and read several documents for AllThingsMale.com. I plan to discuss them w/my doc to see if we can 1-find out why I went hypo 2-monitor more of my hormone levels more often 3-get my T level higher. In the past all he has been concerned about is that I am feeling better and my libido has improved. I asked about an underlying condition and he was not concerned. I still am concerned. SafetyMan This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. I am > 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first > diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I started > treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido and > overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm > patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was changed > to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, when > last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 > ng/dl. > > My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved > since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that great, > so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do get > nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it > with little effort. > > Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of the > middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like > many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- > levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to take > the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My wife > and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. > > I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they > supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so > proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk > since beginning therapy. > > One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and > back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I hav > since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 My LH level was, when last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 ng/dl This is my first post to > the group having joined just yesterday. I am > > 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first > > diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I > started > > treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido > and > > overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using > androderm > > patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was > changed > > to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, > when > > last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone > 421 > > ng/dl. > > > > My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved > > since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that > great, > > so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do > get > > nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend > it > > with little effort. > > > > Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of > the > > middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds > like > > many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- > > levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to > take > > the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My > wife > > and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. > > > > I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are > they > > supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so > > proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not > shrunk > > since beginning therapy. > > > > One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and > > back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I > hav > > since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 You need to up the dose on the gel your TT is to low and your LH and FSH will be low on TRT because your adding T to your body and your brain sees this and does not send the LH and FSH messages to the Testis to make more T. I don't know if you read this link but you all need to go to the home page hear and read the links and files in the links and files section it is full of info that no other site has. http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html Phil safetyman2010 <safetyman2010@...> wrote: My LH level was, when last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 ng/dl This is my first post to > the group having joined just yesterday. I am > > 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first > > diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I > started > > treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido > and > > overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using > androderm > > patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was > changed > > to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, > when > > last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone > 421 > > ng/dl. > > > > My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved > > since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that > great, > > so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do > get > > nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend > it > > with little effort. > > > > Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of > the > > middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds > like > > many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- > > levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to > take > > the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My > wife > > and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. > > > > I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are > they > > supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so > > proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not > shrunk > > since beginning therapy. > > > > One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and > > back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I > hav > > since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Phil - Arkansas - Group; Thanks for your input. I am sending info I gleaned from the Files Seciton of the Group to my doc and making an appt. to see him to discuss my treatment regimen and trying to find the underlying condition causing my problems (I will sleep better knowing why.) I will post the results of that meeting. Thanks again!! Knowing that there are others with the same concerns and problems gives me comfort. I guess that's why this group is here...Doh! SafetyMan > This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. I am > 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first > diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I started > treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido and > overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm > patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was changed > to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, when > last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 > ng/dl. > > My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved > since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that great, > so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do get > nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it > with little effort. > > Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of the > middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like > many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- > levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to take > the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My wife > and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. > > I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they > supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so > proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk > since beginning therapy. > > One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and > back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I hav > since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Hi safetyman I too am new to this group. What do you mean when you say " ED " . The abbreviation escapes me. I too have been trying for two years to get a good check up to find out my problem. I have no morning wood, tired most of the time and sometimes depressed, no libeto at all. I am 82 however and that could explain some of the symptoms. I have been going to a urologist for over a year and she only prescribes T treatments, worked for awhile then nothing. She said I would have to go to an Endo to find out whether my E was to high or not. I fiannlly found one after several trys. He is going to give the full run test that has been given to me, except for free Testosterone, mayby that is the Total T-4 unbound. The test will be taken at 8:00 am in the morning. He has listed ACTH - Cortisol - Estradiol - FSH - LH - Prolactin - PSA - Testostorone Total - T-4 (unbound)(1) - TSH(1) CBC(1) I am not sure what all these are but I willl give you the results on next post. This is the best test that anyone up to this point has requested. I know Phil has been to many Endos and doesn't like most of them, but this one has treated many Hypos and understands the problems so I am hopin!!!!! I already know my Estradiol is 59 on a scale from 10 - 50 so it is high. Thanks for any help, Cal safetyman2010 <safetyman2010@...> wrote: Phil - Arkansas - Group; Thanks for your input. I am sending info I gleaned from the Files Seciton of the Group to my doc and making an appt. to see him to discuss my treatment regimen and trying to find the underlying condition causing my problems (I will sleep better knowing why.) I will post the results of that meeting. Thanks again!! Knowing that there are others with the same concerns and problems gives me comfort. I guess that's why this group is here...Doh! SafetyMan > This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. I am > 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first > diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I started > treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido and > overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm > patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was changed > to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, when > last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone 421 > ng/dl. > > My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved > since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that great, > so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do get > nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it > with little effort. > > Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of the > middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like > many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- > levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to take > the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My wife > and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. > > I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they > supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so > proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk > since beginning therapy. > > One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and > back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I hav > since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Cal; I am not one to ask about hormone levels. I am a novice at it at this time. Phil seems to be the hormone guru. ED = Erectile Disfuntion A.K.A. " no lead in the pencil. " Good luck in your treatment. I just sent two articles from the Files folder to my doc today. I will call him early next week and set up an appt. to discuss them. I sent the AACE Guidelines and Dr. Crisler's Recipe for Success. If I piss of my doc, which I doubt, for wanting more comprehensive treatment I may be looking for a new doc. Time will tell. SafetyMan > > This is my first post to the group having joined just yesterday. > I am > > 50 yrs old and was diagnosed Hypogonad 18 mos ago. When first > > diagnosed my total testosterone leves were in the 150 range. I > started > > treatment initially w/injections to see if it improved my libido > and > > overall sense of well being; it did. I then started using androderm > > patches for six months but became sensitized to them and was > changed > > to Adrogel which I apply once daily in the a.m. My LH level was, > when > > last measured, 1.1 mlU/ml; FSH was 2.2 mlU/ml; total testosterone > 421 > > ng/dl. > > > > My libido and ability to achieve an erection have greatly improved > > since beginning treatment. However, erections are not all that > great, > > so I have been prescribed Viagra to assist with the plumbing. I do > get > > nighttime erections, but they are not stellar. I can almost bend it > > with little effort. > > > > Should I be talking to my doc about getting my testosterone out of > the > > middle of the " normal range " and into the upper 1/3? It sounds like > > many of you have achieved complete return of all function when T- > > levels are in the 800 range. I surely would like to not have to > take > > the little blue pill to get things really working on demand. My > wife > > and I would like a bit of spontaneity back in the sack. > > > > I have also noted others using meds in addition to T. What are they > > supposed to achieve? I have no desire for additional children, so > > proper sperm production is not necessary. My testes have not shrunk > > since beginning therapy. > > > > One last issue. I have had an outbreak of acne on my shoulders and > > back. Is it a side effect of applying the Androgel to that site? I > hav > > since stopped applying it there and apply it to my abdomen only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 > > I am applying a 5 gm pack of Androgel each morning. > > My doc did not chech much other than Total T and LH and FSH. All are > low. I just downloaded and read several documents for > AllThingsMale.com. I plan to discuss them w/my doc to see if we can > > 1-find out why I went hypo > 2-monitor more of my hormone levels more often > 3-get my T level higher. > > In the past all he has been concerned about is that I am feeling > better and my libido has improved. I asked about an underlying > condition and he was not concerned. I still am concerned. > > SafetyMan > > If you haven't already done so, you may wish to review the AACE clinical guidelines: http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf Many of us don't ever know why. You may be able to determine where the failure lies (primary vs secondary) but why is more challenging. Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 > > > > I am applying a 5 gm pack of Androgel each morning. > > > > My doc did not chech much other than Total T and LH and FSH. All are > > low. I just downloaded and read several documents for > > AllThingsMale.com. I plan to discuss them w/my doc to see if we can > > > > 1-find out why I went hypo > > 2-monitor more of my hormone levels more often > > 3-get my T level higher. > > > > In the past all he has been concerned about is that I am feeling > > better and my libido has improved. I asked about an underlying > > condition and he was not concerned. I still am concerned. > > > > SafetyMan > > > > > > If you haven't already done so, you may wish to review the AACE > clinical guidelines: > > http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf > > Many of us don't ever know why. You may be able to determine where > the failure lies (primary vs secondary) but why is more challenging. > > Brad > I sent a copy of that and Dr. Crisler's Recipe for Success to my doc yesterday. I will be meeting w/him later next week, I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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